I've noticed a discrepancy between actual data speeds on the AT&T Tilt 2 from various users on the board.
Some people are happy with 1.5mb rate, others have about 400kb, and then some people's signatures have a data speed rate of about 4mb!
I've also read that AT&T put a 1.5mb hardware cap on the Tilt 2, which negates the Tilt 2 owners who say they have 4mb download speeds.
My device gets from 400kb-1.5mb (roughly) from standard HSDPA data connection, and a more steady 1.5mb using Wi-Fi.
Is this the same with all Tilt 2s?
Thanks in advance.
I'm running on the EDGE network using mobile internet explorer, I just ran www.mobilespeedtest.com 3 times consecutively & here are my results.
2162 kbps
2439 kbps
2478 kbps
I purchased my tilt 2 Dec. 30th 2009. I did add the "speed up your data connection" cab
I'll try the data speed fix today.
Does anyone know if there is a data cap on the Tilt 2?
The fact that T-Mobile has the same phone w/7mb speed is ridiculous.
This is the phone I've been oggling for a while, but if there's a cap, it'll be a no go. To ask a rookie question, since I'd be coming over from CDMA and have been hearing nothing but trouble about the Nexus One in the last few days,...
Can you buy an unlocked T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 and then use it on AT&T without the cap?
Any educated guess would be much appreciated.
The T-mobile version will not work on ATT 3G, you will only get Edge
Bah. Vicious rumors....
(Frack.)
Out of curiosity: Presumably if HTC is making phones for both, then it would be a matter of swapping or hotwiring the circuit board? But then would the WiFi be capped? Newb question, I'm sure. Sorry. I'll root around the forum, unless you're willing to reply.
For speed tests use skyfire. Have yet to try opera 10
Opera 9 : 600 kbps
skyfire : 7200 kbps
seems pretty unrestricted as long as you got the right stuff doing the job.
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BTW, this is on a VZW locked phone with the dataspeed fix. I didn't do a before and after on skyfire for the dataspeed fix but I may try it later.
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Also, IE didnt work much better. Best results have been on skyfire so far.
skyfire is DEFINITELY incorrect. it parses pages through its own servers before spitting them out to you so their speeds are inflated.
here are my speed tests:
www.mobilespeedtest.com - 2MB for more precision (keep in mind this is kilobits per sec not kilobyes per sec; for more information go here:http://www.dslreports.com/faq/1061)
opera 9.7 - 649kbps
i/e - 795kbps
skyfire - 6452kbps
and heres how you know skyfire is BS. you do the speed test for 7MB and you've downloaded 7MB in 4.8 seconds for a 11667kbps. That is a ridiculous number that even most internet connections at home dont get.
edit: this is with the jh20001 speed fix and also the sh4y one. and the youtube one i made. on an at&t tilt2 running energy rom 28011
http://www.mobilespeedtest.com
DEFIANTLY gives erroneous results and I really think that people should stop using it. I know EXACTLY what the maximum speed I can get is because I have an email from my network telling me what they have limited my HSDPA to and mobilespeedtest.com happily tells me I am getting multiples of this number.
The most accurate I have found is the 1Mb test :
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1&more=1
Also - don't use any version of Opera with "Turbo" turned on or Skyfire as this will measure the speed that the proxy in between you and the test site will get. NOT your actual speed.
Thanks for all the replies.
I've also read elsewhere that Skyfire is not a good method of determining data speed.
dslreports.com's 1mb test does seem more accurate in conjunction with Opera.
I applied the datafixspeed cab and my speed still tops out at about 1500kbps on HSDPA with good reception. Even w/Wi-Fi, it doesn't go beyond that.
Am I to assume that people bragging about their 4mb d/l speed are using Skyfire, mobilespeedtest.com, or some other erroneous method of obtaining speed info?
Is 1500kbps d/l considered good? I mean, I finally gave in and got the data plan just for this phone. I wasn't expecting web browsing to be perfect, but the speed still hampers most sites that I visit. It also seems that friends w/the Droid and Blackberry have an easier time accessing the web than the Tilt 2 w/Opera. I'm not complaining, I just want to know how well our product compares to others and get the best experience I can w/the Tilt 2.
Skyfire and Opera Turbo both work by downloading the information you have asked for to a proxy server that sits between you and the data (web site).
The server downloads the data then it compresses it and sends it on to you, so it speeds up your pages loading because the phone has to download less data.
If you do a speed test you are testing the speed of the proxy, not your phone
No idea what's going on with mobilespeedtest.com apart from the fact that there's an advert before you run the test and people like good news ......
i have att and my speeds are nowhere near 1500.
i get 363kbps on dslreports lol. wtfs wrong with mine!
There's nothing wrong with yours.
It's the network. 3G runs at 384kbps so either the network in your area's not upgraded or your network's limiting your bandwidth.
My network is limiting my bandwidth, which I am a bit miffed about
Here is one everyone can use. Its one i use. Its on my server.
Payload size is 3MB
I know it is accurate. If you theater to your phone and download the payload you will get the same results as if you ran just the test. I would avoid using opera as it will give you false numbers, just use PIE.
http://ithappensconsulting.com/speed/initialmeter.php
http://ithappensconsulting.com/speed/payload.bin
Ok, clicked the first link on my TP2 using Opera 9.5 and....
Your current bandwidth reading is:
-3865258.70kbps
which means you can download at -483157.34 KB/sec. from our servers.
??????????
Edit : Payload (.bin) is 3.7Mb not 3Mb - don't know if that effects anything cos I'm not entirely sure what "theater to your phone" means
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Ok, clicked the first link on my TP2 using Opera 9.5 and....
Your current bandwidth reading is:
-3865258.70kbps
which means you can download at -483157.34 KB/sec. from our servers.
??????????
Edit : Payload (.bin) is 3.7Mb not 3Mb - don't know if that effects anything cos I'm not entirely sure what "theater to your phone" means
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I forgot to edit my post here. But dont use opera. Use IE. Opera cant seem to know what 2 + 2 is.
teather means to use your phone as your internet connection for your computer.
You mean use IE on my computer ?
My computer doesn't have IE, and even if it did there's not a chance I'd be using it !
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You mean use IE on my computer ?
My computer doesn't have IE, and even if it did there's not a chance I'd be using it !
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Use IE on your phone.
Firefox and IE work great on computer.
Why do I have to tether to my PC if I am using IE on my phone ?
And IE does work, but not very well on Linux
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Why do I have to tether to my PC if I am using IE on my phone ?
And IE does work, but not very well on Linux
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Forget about the computer.
Just open IE on your phone and go to the link.
Related
Measure your internet speed by navigating here with your web browser.
www.dslreports.com/mspeed
Most of us in the US are on T-Mobile, we should get a solid 132Mbits/sec.
95 kbit/sec
By default Tmo sets the internet GPRS setting to WAP.voicestream.com I have noticed that if I use that I get around 40-80kbps. Change it to internet.voicestream.com or internet2.voicestream.com, you should get a solid 120+. I also used to run internet3.voicestrem.com at over 150kbps but it seems they have disconnected it for whatever reason. Maybe it was used to test something, but its gone now.
About 90 Kbit/sec for me.
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By default Tmo sets the internet GPRS setting to WAP.voicestream.com I have noticed that if I use that I get around 40-80kbps. Change it to internet.voicestream.com or internet2.voicestream.com, you should get a solid 120+. I also used to run internet3.voicestrem.com at over 150kbps but it seems they have disconnected it for whatever reason. Maybe it was used to test something, but its gone now.
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How do you make these changes exactly?
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By default Tmo sets the internet GPRS setting to WAP.voicestream.com I have noticed that if I use that I get around 40-80kbps. Change it to internet.voicestream.com or internet2.voicestream.com, you should get a solid 120+. I also used to run internet3.voicestrem.com at over 150kbps but it seems they have disconnected it for whatever reason. Maybe it was used to test something, but its gone now.
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hmmm, this may vary by region then.... i ran the test using WAP.voicestream.com and i got 146 kbit/sec then i change my setting to: internet2.voicestream.com and got 109 kbit/sec , i ran this test twice on the second one and it was the exact result both times. So for me, apparently my speed is faster on wap.voicestream.com ... but of course it may also depend on where the server for the site your visiting is. meaning some sites may be faster with the wap. and others may be faster with internet2. .... depending on your location/relevant to the server
That is interesting. Which file size do you test? I usually do the 100kb size.
unstable/too fast for a result (0.85s) please choose a larger file.
hehe using opera mini
with IE its
45kps
i can only use internet.voicestream.com if i pay for total internet right?
Wont work on IE. Says javascript isnt enabled. On opera mini for 1mb i got 320 kbit/sec
Wow really. I cant believe that a Browser can make such a difference. I guess I'm getting Operamini...
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Wont work on IE. Says javascript isnt enabled. On opera mini for 1mb i got 320 kbit/sec
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mine said the same thing at first then it loaded...hmm...
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Wont work on IE. Says javascript isnt enabled. On opera mini for 1mb i got 320 kbit/sec
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How it works for PIE for me, what rom version are you using?
I'm getting 606 kbit/sec with 1MB on Opera and 53 kbit/sec with 100k on PIE.
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I'm getting 606 kbit/sec with 1MB on Opera and 53 kbit/sec with 100k on PIE.
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Oh thats good so yeah it is much faster, well thats if you use Opera of course.
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OMG people get a grip - test with Opera measures speed from testing point to Opera server, and Opera server serves you the page it received - hence the speed. From Opera server to your mobile it's still coming 90-ish kbit/s (the other matter is that pages are optimized and compressed, but this does not affect the data flow speed)
I installed Opera and the test is flying, but the rest of my internet experience is just as slow as PIE. So if you want true results you gotta do the 100kb test on PIE.
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OMG people get a grip - test with Opera measures speed from testing point to Opera server, and Opera server serves you the page it received - hence the speed. From Opera server to your mobile it's still coming 90-ish kbit/s (the other matter is that pages are optimized and compressed, but this does not affect the data flow speed)
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i realize this...but enjoy my phone telling me its to fast, little does it know it cant be to fast
Yah well Tmobile Edge I believe is limited anywhere from 20-150 kbs per sec depending on where you are located and the reception of your phone.
150 max? Really? I'm glad I just don't have to listen to the dial up sound everytime I go online.
Is it only me?
Or anyone else is having slow response to open any page of this great site?
I have this slowness since 2 weeks and I have the best speed available on my country: 4mb (You guys with super fast connections don´t laugh)
orb3000 said:
Is it only me?
Or anyone else is having slow response to open any page of this great site?
I have this slowness since 2 weeks and I have the best speed available on my country: 4mb (You guys with super fast connections don´t laugh)
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It's been a little slow for me from time to time, but nothing major, pages always load.
P.S. I have a 2Mb cable line at home
Dave
its ok for me
are you guys talking mega bytes or mega bits
ive got 7.2 megabits
It loads slowly trying to login and opening up a forum. Other than that it seems good. According to speedtest 25 megabits from work
It's been pretty quick for me lately. In fact, it's been better, since I no longer seem to get HTTP 5xx Server errors anymore. Speedtest.net says about 5 mbps from home over type N Wi-Fi.
Dave
@orb: Did not notice any speed difference myselft either. BTW I have a dialup connection using a USB modem . normally any page opens within 2-4 seconds (Always, should be more appropriate). Could it be that your firewall or router acting itchy?
Thanks for your reply
No it was not any firewall or router...
It happens randomly form time to time now is ok
Cheers,
I've noticed this too over the last few weeks, both at home >1.5Mb connection and even at work where the connection is 100Mb
May I add; nearly every morning about 01:30Hrs the site becomes unreachable for about 3mins. Though this may be due to backups
Forums been very slow for me. 15 seconds to just load the reply page.
The current problem discussion is here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=510704
Yes, although not for weeks, bust for last 3 days, I am getting pathetically low speeds while opening pages here at New Delhi, India. Its taking around 15-70 seconds to open a page. I am on a 256 kbps line and all the other websites are working absolutely fine. Torrents are even giving 37-40 KBps / 296-320 Kbps (theoratically not possible on my connection )
But its a lot better today. I am getting pages in 3-5 seconds at the moment. I have also noticed that when its night here in India, pages start opening slow. I guess the other side of the globe is more active at that time
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Yes, although not for weeks, bust for last 3 days, I am getting pathetically low speeds while opening pages here at New Delhi, India. Its taking around 15-70 seconds to open a page. I am on a 256 kbps line and all the other websites are working absolutely fine. Torrents are even giving 37-40 KBps / 296-320 Kbps (theoratically not possible on my connection )
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The site's up and running at full speed now. The admins fixed the problem around midnight (BST) last night.
Ta
Dave
the site is popular
Time to look into cachefly. It is a great option to server balance without the need for additional servers. Someone at the top should go check it out and see if it would fulfill any needs for XDA. It is worth the look after all, ad banners generate faster with more pageloads...
FYI, for me the site is painfully slow. The initial html loads fine but anything needing the forum database is at a crawl.
Love the site, thank you admins and all helpers!
im on here all the time i have a 8mgb connection and its slow from other conenctions also... not always i guess when the site gets overloaded, i wish we could update the bandwidth or w.e is causing this for the site
I still get a slow site.... when browsing the forum it takes a few secs (5-10) to open a page... and it only happens on this site
i have a 16Mb connection!
Deiota
It's slow for me also.
I have 8.89 Mbps download speed, and the XDA site is really slow today. I've noticed the page transitions were slow the past several times I have gotten on the web site, but today is the slowest I've seen so far.
for some reason it seems to be running like a turtle today...
Same here
Perhaps we are now too many users?!
I was getting 500 Internal Server errors on the home page earlier when the forums would not load for me.
Both browsers on my Tilt2 (IE and Opera) seem to have some serious problems where the screen is at times unresponsive or extremely slow. This seems to happen in 3G and Wifi.
Actually, I saw these types of problems in a review at: http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/htc-tilt-2/10602.html which said: "Nowhere did the HTC Tilt 2 give us more trouble than in the browsers. Both the standard Internet Explorer browser and the Opera Mobile browser gave us serious trouble, with an unresponsive screen that always took numerous taps to register a click on a Web link. It was a very strange issue, as finger scrolling was much more responsive. But when we wanted to click on a link, or when we wanted to tap the address bar to change our URL, the phone would require multiple taps, which was a seriously annoying issue."
Have others experienced this? Is the phone a complete lemon? Is anyone aware of a what could be wrong and/or a fix?
Experiencing the exact same thing.
At stock, don't expect the TP2 to run flawlessly, and this device is certainly not a lemon. Flashing a custom rom to this device improves its usability, and even functionality in some areas, But of course, it depends on the rom that is installed. It would help to scour these forums as there are numerous fixes and enhancements for the WM platform that'll make you enjoy it
I am not expecting it to run flawlessly. I assume, as you are with T Mobile, that you do not have the Tilt2. My experience with the Tilt2 is that both browsers are just non-functional given the complete lack of responsiveness. I understand that there are many things that can be done to it, but it seems like it should simply not be operating like this out of the gate. I would be pleased to do what I can to increase performance, but purchasing a new product that is not functional with the goal of enhancing performance should not be acceptable. Please understand, that out of the box when I click on a link many times it simply does not work and when it does, it often takes minutes to connect (in some cases worse than a throw back to dial-up connection speeds). If this is what Windows Mobile has come to, as a consumer device it really will continue to become obsolete with a very small user base. I am hopeful that it is not WinMo as I have had Pocket PCs since they came out and hope to remain faithfull.
That said, I have done a considerable amount of searching in the forum. If there is something you would recommend for this specific browser issue, I would very much appreciate the reference. Thanks.
While I wouldn't say that Opera is "unusable", it's definitely slow. I've read on the forums that Opera Mobile 9.7, which is currently in beta, seems to be significantly faster. Though, it lacks Flash if you care about that sort of thing.
I haven't tried it yet but it seems like a worthwhile shot.
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While I wouldn't say that Opera is "unusable", it's definitely slow. I've read on the forums that Opera Mobile 9.7, which is currently in beta, seems to be significantly faster. Though, it lacks Flash if you care about that sort of thing.
I haven't tried it yet but it seems like a worthwhile shot.
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Do any of guys use skyfire(this by far the best option), also check the proxy setup, Third just heads up, when I was selecting diferent option packages from ATT they initially screwed up my data connect and I was getting block out of there proxy, once this was corrected all is well but Skyfire is still the best released product.
Skyfire works, but its not very clear unless you zoom in. I have Opera beta but you can't use the zoom slider and its only marginally better.
Iris (God rest its soul) is okay but its not fast either. I wonders why none of them are cutting the mustard.
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Do any of guys use skyfire(this by far the best option), also check the proxy setup, Third just heads up, when I was selecting diferent option packages from ATT they initially screwed up my data connect and I was getting block out of there proxy, once this was corrected all is well but Skyfire is still the best released product.
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I prefer not to use Skyfire because it's completely insecure. I went to my fantasy football website and found some other user's session logged in. Had I wanted to be a jerk, I could have dropped all of his good players and replaced them with players from the Detroit Lions.
Seriously, though...if you use Skyfire be very careful what sites you visit as all of the data is rendered remotely and will be seen by others.
CAVEAT before I begin: I had pretty good connection with Opera (on 3G) out of the box.
As others have said on this thread, first thing is to disable the AT&T proxy (Start\Tools\Proxy Manager\Disable Proxy -- then soft reset), unless you want to use AT&T's Media Mall and other bloatware that requires an Internet connection.
In Opera the proxy still sticks unless you manually edit the opera.ini file. See this post here for instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4771442#post4771442
I had to do this, or Opera would not connect at all under Wi-Fi. Speed also seems to be improved.
It sounds, though, that you're speaking more about screen sensitivity. It seems that you have to zoom in more (than on a Fuze, at least) to get a link to actually respond when touched. This may sound simplistic, but note that when the Tilt2 boots up for the first time (or after hard reset), it does not run through the screen-alignment process as the fuze and other phones do. Go to Start\Settings\System\Screen and do the alignment -- it helped a bit on my phone. And every little bit counts...
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I've very disappointed with the AT&T Tilt 2. I've tried several ROMs but the MS IE is slow in all of them. In some of them the Opera gets download speeds of over 1000 kbps. However, the MS IE is usually down around 300 kbps.
This is unacceptable. I used the same sim in my original AT&T Tilt 1 and I get 1200 kbps. What gives??
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My experience with the Tilt2 is that both browsers are just non-functional given the complete lack of responsiveness.
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That's been my experience, too. Even with an excellent 3G connection (a megabit usually, or close to it, and sometimes better than that), and with the AT&T proxy disabled, both Opera and IE are utterly unusable on my Tilt 2 with WM 6.5.
And I can't blame Touch-flo. I don't even use it.
As a result, I run Skyfire as my default browser unless I'm in a place where I can't get a strong 3G signal. Then I switch to Opera Mini. Both are fast enough to keep me very happy.
I've wasted too much time trying to get Opera to do anything other than annoy me. Try some cooked ROMs, or switch. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.
i agree
I dont even bother to tap the links anymore, i navigate through them using the arrow keys and then press enter. I find them completely unresponsive to taps.
concur that the browsers suck
Too bad that there isn't a safari port....
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While I wouldn't say that Opera is "unusable", it's definitely slow. I've read on the forums that Opera Mobile 9.7, which is currently in beta, seems to be significantly faster. Though, it lacks Flash if you care about that sort of thing.
just bought mine yesterday and it is un-usable taking 20-30 min. to access and sign into my ebay account is pretty much un-usable. My 8925 wasn't the fastest but I coud access the web w/o taking 2-5 min per page. I took my iphone back thinking this would be atleast as good as or better than my 8925,boy was i wrong.And now they tell me I only get one return(iphone) so I am stuck with this beautiful p.o.s.
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i also experience problem with it. My experience seem to be that if I have both IE and opera running together, it will cause the unit not responsive. So far, I kind of stuck with IE as it seem to work better than opear.
Try the Opera 10 Beta, it is masses better than Opera 9 as far as interface experience and speed. never liked IE mobile and skyfire has potential but still feels unfinished.
Opera 10 has a really nice tabbed browsing system and is finger friendly. haven't seen any responsiveness issues. The other thing to consider is what else you are running in background, is Opera 9 still running in background? it could be slowing everything else down.
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i have a TP2 on TMo and i am just not seeing why things have to be so difficult to take care of basic stuff. i have had my TP2 for a few 3 weeks and am not liking how the wifi, touch sensitivity, and browser function. I got my hands on a iphone 3gs 32gb and used it for the last week. There are HUGE differences between the phone and am amazed that there is. I was using their "safari" brower here on my wifi home network and it was flying and screens formed fast for being a hand held device. I switch back to the TP2 and it was about a third of the speed. WHY!!!! I have skyfire and opera on the phone and they both acted the same way. what is so annoying is when you go to scroll a page it has no clue how to remember how the page looks and does the little grey and white checker board.
I don't understand why the touch is sooooo much better on the iphone than the TP2. i could actually type somewhat normal better on the iphone than on the TP2. it reads the touch great and with very few errors. when i go to the contacts i can flick up or down and it actually scrolls. i do the same action on the TP2 and most of the time it dials the number at where i tried to flick the list.
why are they such differences in performance and how to i correct these differences.
i have the energy rom ...latest one
There's no way to "correct" the differences.
What you are experiencing regarding the touch sensitivity is a capacitive screen versus a resistive screen. If you understand how a resistive screen works, and adjust accordingly, then scrolling is just as smooth. Just apply a bit of pressure.
Safari browser is indeed fast. But Opera is not too shabby. Consider this. Opera does real-time text reflow. I'm almost positive that this is one of the factors that hinders the performance. However, I'd still rather have real-time text reflow. It's better than on the Safari where you have to pan horizontally and vertically if you zoom in to the text.
If you understand the differences and you still can't live with them, then this device is probably not for you. Better return/exchange it while you can.
i didnt know there were dif kinds of screens.. how do you adjust them in the manner you state
With resistive touch like on the TP2 you have to apply a little bit of pressure. I have a friend who just got the iPhone 3GS and I don't see/feel much difference between he's capacitive screen and my resistive screen. It's all about feeling and technique, seriously.
Here's a little read about resitsive and capacitive from Wikipedia:
Resistive
A resistive touchscreen panel is composed of several layers, the most important of which are two thin, metallic, electrically conductive layers separated by a narrow gap. When an object, such as a finger, presses down on a point on the panel's outer surface the two metallic layers become connected at that point: the panel then behaves as a pair of voltage dividers with connected outputs. This causes a change in the electrical current which is registered as a touch event and sent to the controller for processing.
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A capacitive touchscreen panel consists of an insulator such as glass, coated with a transparent conductor such as indium tin oxide (ITO).[2][3] As the human body is also a conductor, touching the surface of the screen results in a distortion of the local electrostatic field, measurable as a change in capacitance. Different technologies may be used to determine the location of the touch. The location can be passed to a computer running a software application which will calculate how the user's touch relates to the computer software.
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It should give you a good idea of how the two types of screens work and why you have to use different methods in order to get most out of resistive screens.
I have to agree, the iPhone's touch screen is flawless in operation.
Just my 2 cents .......
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I have to agree, the iPhone's touch screen is flawless in operation.
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it was so sweet playing with one for the week. now i understand the difference and it will run the phone accordingly.
is there a way to make the keypad for the dialer full screen so typing numbers will be easier and faster?
how do i move icons around to different pages. i hate i cannot just hit one button to get to the dialer. i have to do 3 steps to get to the dialer and it is stupid since this is a PHONE to make calls.
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I have to agree, the iPhone's touch screen is flawless in operation.
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it was so sweet playing with one for the week. now i understand the difference and it will run the phone accordingly.
is there a way to make the keypad for the dialer full screen so typing numbers will be easier and faster?
how do i move icons around to different pages. i hate i cannot just hit one button to get to the dialer. i have to do 3 steps to get to the dialer and it is stupid since this is a PHONE to make calls.
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it was so sweet playing with one for the week. now i understand the difference and it will run the phone accordingly.
is there a way to make the keypad for the dialer full screen so typing numbers will be easier and faster?
how do i move icons around to different pages. i hate i cannot just hit one button to get to the dialer. i have to do 3 steps to get to the dialer and it is stupid since this is a PHONE to make calls.
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Sounds like iDialer is what you're looking for if you want a full screen keypad.
What 3 steps are you taking to get to the dialer? Just press the call button? Also the left soft key on the home tab of also gets you to the dialer.
From my vantage point I see 5 issues:
1. As stated above, you need to learn the differences between the screen technologies.
2. You need to use the TP2's hardware keyboard. No onscreen keyboard can compare.
3. If you want a hamstrung, entertainment device, feel free to migrate to an iphone. If you want a relatively open device with depth and breadth, take the time to learn the Win Os. It does take some time to learn, but once you do, you realize how much of a toy many other devices are.
4. You don't seem to be aware that ATT's network has been optimized for and gives preference to iphones. Not to mention that many sites have special pages cleverly and clandestinely optimized for the iphone. They look in many ways like the real thing and you think that you are getting the "full web," but alot of functionality is missing.
5. Most important, and no disrespect to all the chef out there, you are using a cooked rom. These roms promise a great deal, but in the long run most fail to deliver because they introduce more problems than they solve.
I have handled the iphone fairly extensively and it is a good device in its own right. I has a really easy and intuitive interface but it is in a different and lower class than the TP2. It is meant for casual users who use their phones primarily for entertainment. It is really a dressed up feature phone and not a true smartphone.
I use my smartphone (TMobile TP2) for entertainment and for business from VPN client to Wifi internet access router to remote desktop to watching movies to email to GPS to document creation (incl. powerpoint slideshows and spreadsheets) to games (incl. many kinds of emulators), all with free software! Nowadays, I hardly ever have to pull out my netbook. My phone is nimble and loads web pages incredibly fast. At home in VA, I get between 500-600 kbps on avge, up to about 900kbps on a good day. I was in NYC this weekend and got 1260kbps fairly consistently. How's that for performance? Can an iphone do all that?
Bottom Line: Learn Win Os or even Android, you'll be more satisfied in the long run and at the very least you won't be captive to Steve "Jesus" Jobs whims.
my last phone was a G1 with droid and it was neat on the web pages. what browser are you using which you are getting lightning speed. i have an N router at home on cable internet. I wifi to it and it is the lowest loading pages i have ever seen on a phone. My G1 outran it and the iphone just smoked all above. i have opera, skyfire, and IE on the phone...what do you suggest to get the most out of it?
and yes i agree i have to learn the phone and all the info on this post has been extremely helpful and gave me a HUGE understanding of what i am running.
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my last phone was a G1 with droid and it was neat on the web pages. what browser are you using which you are getting lightning speed. i have an N router at home on cable internet. I wifi to it and it is the lowest loading pages i have ever seen on a phone. My G1 outran it and the iphone just smoked all above. i have opera, skyfire, and IE on the phone...what do you suggest to get the most out of it?
and yes i agree i have to learn the phone and all the info on this post has been extremely helpful and gave me a HUGE understanding of what i am running.
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I find Opera Mobile 9.5 and 9.7 performance to be underwhelming at first. But I find that disabling java-script helps significantly. Most sites that I visit don't need java-script for me to see the content anyway. And disabling it, means I block a lot of ads from loading.
You can also try Opera Mobile 10 which is in beta right now. It's pretty quick in my experience. But I personally settled back for 9.7 because of it's flexibility in terms of zooming in and out of pages.
Troubleshooting Internet Speed
1. Make sure the rom/you are not running any memory hogs. Push Internet is a notorious memory-sucking monster: disable it. Ideally, your TP2 should have under 50% ram usage when you boot up and ensure you refresh the memory every few hours. CleanRam does this beautifully and automagically.
2. Double-check that you are in fact getting a 3G signal and operating at 3G speeds. Use mobilespeedtest.com or dslreports.com/mspeed to test. Anything less than 500 mbps might indicate a problem.
3. How many bars do you have? 3G requires a strong, quality signal. You might want to contact ATT to ensure that you have the correct sim and provisioning for your line and for this particular phone. (This last point is based on my experiences with ATT in the past. My phone, for some unknown reason, was ignoring the tower nearby. This may be a long shot but might be worth it.)
4.Consider flashing back to a stock ROM to see if anything improves.
5. Make sure you are using the latest versions of the various browsers. Have you tried the latest opera mini, opera mobile, or skyfire browsers? Stay away from IE; it really stinks! I get terrific results using skyfire because of the fact that it is essentially a thin client where all the necessary processing is done server-side.
6. When using opera mobile check its settings via opera:config or opera:about to make sure it is not searching for a proxy server.
7. If you are close to a major metropolitan area, use google's dns servers: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. This is a long shot, but when I was in NYC I did see an overall improvement of latency.
8. Check to see if wifi improves the problem. If not, check router settings. Have you tried optimizing for performance rather than for battery/neutral in wifi settings on the phone? The TP2 can only connect to g and b networks. A or n are irrelevant to its operation.
9. What sites are you trying to access? Websites do have special scaled down pages for the iphone and increasingly for android phones. You might want to spoof the user agent on your device. Essentially, this makes the website "think" that you are using a different device. The upside about using the user agent settings as is is that you do get more of the internet the way you would experience it on a desktop. That's also its downside. By trying to eat too much of the internet, the browser can choke the system. Remember, the TP2 has a 528 MHz processor and memory in the MBs, not GBs.
10. Make sure the cache, history, and cookies are cleared before testing. Corruption in any of these three areas can compromise page rendering.
I've been watching youtube videos via the app and skyfire and video news from AP.org via skyfire and have not had a hiccup. So I know this device has a sufficiently good internet capabilities.
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1. Make sure the rom/you are not running any memory hogs. Push Internet is a notorious memory-sucking monster: disable it. Ideally, your TP2 should have under 50% ram usage when you boot up and ensure you refresh the memory every few hours. CleanRam does this beautifully and automagically.
2. Double-check that you are in fact getting a 3G signal and operating at 3G speeds. Use mobilespeedtest.com or dslreports.com/mspeed to test. Anything less than 500 mbps might indicate a problem.
3. How many bars do you have? 3G requires a strong, quality signal. You might want to contact ATT to ensure that you have the correct sim and provisioning for your line and for this particular phone. (This last point is based on my experiences with ATT in the past. My phone, for some unknown reason, was ignoring the tower nearby. This may be a long shot but might be worth it.)
4.Consider flashing back to a stock ROM to see if anything improves.
5. Make sure you are using the latest versions of the various browsers. Have you tried the latest opera mini, opera mobile, or skyfire browsers? Stay away from IE; it really stinks! I get terrific results using skyfire because of the fact that it is essentially a thin client where all the necessary processing is done server-side.
6. When using opera mobile check its settings via opera:config or opera:about to make sure it is not searching for a proxy server.
7. If you are close to a major metropolitan area, use google's dns servers: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. This is a long shot, but when I was in NYC I did see an overall improvement of latency.
8. Check to see if wifi improves the problem. If not, check router settings. Have you tried optimizing for performance rather than for battery/neutral in wifi settings on the phone? The TP2 can only connect to g and b networks. A or n are irrelevant to its operation.
9. What sites are you trying to access? Websites do have special scaled down pages for the iphone and increasingly for android phones. You might want to spoof the user agent on your device. Essentially, this makes the website "think" that you are using a different device. The upside about using the user agent settings as is is that you do get more of the internet the way you would experience it on a desktop. That's also its downside. By trying to eat too much of the internet, the browser can choke the system. Remember, the TP2 has a 528 MHz processor and memory in the MBs, not GBs.
10. Make sure the cache, history, and cookies are cleared before testing. Corruption in any of these three areas can compromise page rendering.
I've been watching youtube videos via the app and skyfire and video news from AP.org via skyfire and have not had a hiccup. So I know this device has a sufficiently good internet capabilities.
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Awesome information.
once i read the title of this thread, all i could this was: "that's what she said."
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11. Check to make sure you are using the correct APN. Some APN's have known speed and port limitations. Get that info from your carrier.
How do I upload video to internet/SoMe?
You cannot directly upload a video from the phone as far as I have known and tried...
However, the videos are very easily synced with your computer of choice using Zune, and you can upload them to any video sharing service without alterations.
Not able to upload a video, without a PC! Incredible.
I really hope they add that soon.
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I really don't think there is any option to do that. Not even in email.
But, don't forget, wp7 records 720p video, so, size of that video will be huge.
With iPhone, you can send video with e-mail (I think) and upload to YouTube.
I spent a good 2 hours yesterday searching trying to find someway to upload video from my phone to facebook. Every app i tried just did pictures. I eventually just did a sync w/ Zune and then uploaded it that way. Only then i became aware that the 3 minute video was 150mb. That would have taken forever on my phone. That is probably why that havent included that in some default setting. With the new data caps and everything, it would be very dangerous to allow video uploading of this size.
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I spent a good 2 hours yesterday searching trying to find someway to upload video from my phone to facebook. Every app i tried just did pictures. I eventually just did a sync w/ Zune and then uploaded it that way. Only then i became aware that the 3 minute video was 150mb. That would have taken forever on my phone. That is probably why that havent included that in some default setting. With the new data caps and everything, it would be very dangerous to allow video uploading of this size.
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On my other OS phone it warns me that I should use Wi-Fi instead of data connection to upload large vidoes to youtubes, but it's not even an option on wp7
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With iPhone, you can send video with e-mail (I think) and upload to YouTube.
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iPhone has uncapped upload speed on AT&T (1 to 2 mbps upload speed). All other phones on AT&T are capped at 300kbps upload speeds.
Anyway, upload a few hundred megabytes of video through phone data connection is really a waste of data bandwidth, battery and your time.
not to mention that if you're on the move you can easily go into a dark spot and the video upload would die, meaning you wasted all that bandwidth for a video that didn't even upload fully.
^What phone does that? They pause, then resume when network connection is established again.
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^What phone does that? They pause, then resume when network connection is established again.
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droid does.... sorry couldn't resist. there is an application called "andftp" that can resume an upload if needed. i've had youtube videos resume uploading (i have no idea how) after dropping out of wifi range. walking around the house while uploading a 1.4Gb video and forgetting it's uploading isn't really helpful.
as far as uploading (anywhere, any type of transfer) a video, it seems trivial. sure 720p is large in files, but it should be up to the user to decide how to use their bandwidth.
one of the users mentioned iphones being 'uncapped' and uploading at 1Mb/s. that's incredible, as i've -never- seen any actual uploads or speedtests that showed that kind of UP speed. sure, it may be a 1Mb connection, but upload is usually 100-200K in my experience.
for the majority of my pictures and videos, i use wifi ftp. there are proximity apps that will turn on wifi/bluetooth and sync (rsync) directories to home computers, and they absolutely ROCK. now, where is my automagical air-charging station that feeds microwaves through the house to charge the phone.
It should be my choice if I would like to upload a video or not.
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one of the users mentioned iphones being 'uncapped' and uploading at 1Mb/s. that's incredible, as i've -never- seen any actual uploads or speedtests that showed that kind of UP speed. sure, it may be a 1Mb connection, but upload is usually 100-200K in my experience.
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It is reported by speedtest app on iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4. It is not the theoritcal connection speed but real world upload test. And also, many AT&T Captivate owners can reach the similar upload speed when using non-AT&T modem firmware (it seems AT&T intentionally disabled HSUPA in the firmware). And AT&T openly admited that fact.
You won't see that speed on anything else, certainly not WP7 phones AT&T released.
mrTablet said:
It should be my choice if I would like to upload a video or not.
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That WP7 is probably a wrong phone for you. Most of the features in WP7 are not user selectable.
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That WP7 is probably a wrong phone for you. Most of the features in WP7 are not user selectable.
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My guess is that video uploading will come to WP7, but that it is not near the top of Microsoft's to-do list simply because it doesn't provide that much benefit, due, as others have said, to the often huge file sizes.
It's not often one gets that desperate to upload a video that one can't wait until one gets to one's PC. Photos, different ballgame.
I'd love to have it, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
I think I've sent or uploaded a total of 2 or 3 videos from my previous phones. Resolution was small, and it still took forever. That was with EDGE though.
I really would like to see Skydrive store video. But if it doesn't come until the end of the year, I don't think I'll really notice.
With HSUPA disabled on these phones, upload speed on 3G (200 to 300kbps) is not much faster than EDGE.
I can't even send video with MMS.
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It is reported by speedtest app on iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4. It is not the theoritcal connection speed but real world upload test. And also, many AT&T Captivate owners can reach the similar upload speed when using non-AT&T modem firmware (it seems AT&T intentionally disabled HSUPA in the firmware). And AT&T openly admited that fact.
You won't see that speed on anything else, certainly not WP7 phones AT&T released.
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wow that's apretty impressive speed for up. thanks button used.