Is there/or will there be a WM 6 ROM that has Microsoft Direct push?????
I am using CRCs PHKV12r7 at the moment,
Or is it under a Different name?
All WM6 ROMs have direct push. Just configure your Exchange account as usual and make sure the schedule is set to As items arrive. Is there anything to indicate that your ROM lacks this capability?
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All WM6 ROMs have direct push. Just configure your Exchange account as usual and make sure the schedule is set to As items arrive. Is there anything to indicate that your ROM lacks this capability?
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Just remember that DirectPush uses up a lot of battery.
DirectPush is based on non-expiring long HTTPS sessions. My provider here in the US (Cingular) has the session valid for 480 seconds (8 minutes), so the phone reconnects to exchange every 8 minutes (it does more frequently if Im not in HSDPA/EDGE network areas). With HSDPA, this means Im almost always connected and use up lot of battery.
My informal studies shows battery life of about 20 hours with DirectPush enabled and more than 40 hours with synch every 30 minutes. of course, I get mails only on the 30 minute mark. You can see this with the abcPowerMeter tool, shows spikes of 400mA (from 18mA steady state) eveyr 4 minutes, even if only for 5-10 seconds
Side remark, I find that having DirectPush enabled makes my IM sessions reliable, else, my IM disconnects and messages to me go to ether.
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Just remember that DirectPush uses up a lot of battery.
DirectPush is based on non-expiring long HTTPS sessions. My provider here in the US (Cingular) has the session valid for 480 seconds (8 minutes), so the phone reconnects to exchange every 8 minutes (it does more frequently if Im not in HSDPA/EDGE network areas). With HSDPA, this means Im almost always connected and use up lot of battery.
My informal studies shows battery life of about 20 hours with DirectPush enabled and more than 40 hours with synch every 30 minutes. of course, I get mails only on the 30 minute mark. You can see this with the abcPowerMeter tool, shows spikes of 400mA (from 18mA steady state) eveyr 4 minutes, even if only for 5-10 seconds
Side remark, I find that having DirectPush enabled makes my IM sessions reliable, else, my IM disconnects and messages to me go to ether.
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This is going into OT territory, but 8 minute validity?! That is pretty bad. How did you find out about that?
Also, it's not that you're "almost always" connected - you are always connected, otherwise the HTTP session will die.
Once attached the session uses the battery more only when there is data activity, come on now my TyTN sits connected over HSDPA all day and i dont use up the battery.
I get a fair ammount of emails via push and an average ammount of txts and phone calls.
I agree with mrvanx. I use direct push. And my phone just sat yesterday all day (literally 15hrs). when I picked it up the battery was still @ 92%. I did use it once for about a 3 min. Call.
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I agree with mrvanx. I use direct push. And my phone just sat yesterday all day (literally 15hrs). when I picked it up the battery was still @ 92%. I did use it once for about a 3 min. Call.
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Was it on 2g or 3G?
Wam7 said:
Was it on 2g or 3G?
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most likely 2G i would think, my battery is around 30% end of the day.
Im not sure i could put up with the extra bulk of an extended battery.
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My Qtek 9090 takes 12 seconds to connect to my D-Link AP when I turn it on - without encryption! Is this normal? My Ipaq 5450 used less than 6! What do you have, and what brand of AP?
I have seen my XDA2s take over 20 second to connect to an access point.
I use a USRobotics AP with 128-bit encryption at home, and my local pub has a D-Link without encryption.
I haven't checked out whether encryption is a factor though
Do you find that acceptable? I don't even accept 12 sec! The problem is that I don't know if any other high class PDA phones are better. I will ask about the XDA III in the general networking forum.
I find that the connection time is not significantly more than what I'm getting from my laptops, and I usually connect for a long time, so 10+ secs is just about bearable.
Wow! Well, different uses, I guess. Besides the phone part (which would probably count for 5-10 % of my use time) I use NetRemote (probably 80 % - the rest is surfing the Net and such, and having to wait 12 seconds, sometimes even longer, before I can send any commands after turning the PDA on is very annoying. Most of the time there's two or three commands to send, and then it's off again. I can't understand why it takes so much longer than my old Ipaq 5450.
Can anyone please recommend some REALLY power saving Radio rom?
I'm currently using 1.54.30
I like 1.54.07.00. Its a good compromis between power and battery drain.
I think 1.47 was the version with the lowest battery drain for me yet...
1.47.00.10 seems to do the job for me.. moderate usage of voice & data (UMTS 2100)..
thank you so much for responding... i will try 1.54.07...
yes, 1.47 is the best radio I also have used.
i'm trying 1.54.07...using it now...will see how is the battery drainage...
what is so good about 1.47 anyway? just to compare...
2 cents on this topic - the observation of battery drain is somewhat subjective. I'd suggest someone do an extended test where the phone has a current drain logging program and track drain for each phone mode - data connection - transfer / phone use / idle and do a statistical comparison.
With a lack of good data? I'd think that the latest rev would have changes for some reason - hopefully a good one.
I'm using the latest 1.54 without performance issues.
hi all
I am using 1.54.07.00 radio, I use to get call from my gf every night for straight 3 hours. All these time my wifi is also active. Most of the days I get 40-50% of battery after I finish the call. So I think it is pretty impressive, isnt it?
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Jish
I'm working on a way to evaluate this.. I agree with mattk_r that it will probably vary drastically by region, usage, configuration, network, etc. But at least for my case, wi-fi is almost always off and my phone is in 'sleep'/'suspend' with Flexmail email running an IDLE (PUSH) IMAP email session in the background. Just a note, the way this works, the phone still gets to sleep and anytime a packet/data is received over the GPRS/3G connection the phone is woken up in unattended mode (no backlight) so that the maill app can process the message and notification then the phone returns to sleep state. So my goal is to pseudo-scientifically figure out which radio works best for my use.
To figure that out I have written a pair of programs that simulate the IMAP IDLE connection of an email client. (Why not use the real thing? I want the experiment to be the same everytime I run it, I can't guarantee that with email and software that I don't know the intricacies of.) One half runs on the phone to simulate the phone email client, and one half runs on a server that sends periodic messages to the phone to wake it up. When the phone is waken up it sends its current estimate of the battery life remaining (as reported by Windows API) to the server for logging.
In order to run my tests, everynight I have/plan to do the following procedure.
Flash a new radio to the phone for test
Charge the battery fully
Soft-Reset phone
Run my program
And then in the morning I dump the server log and generate a nice pretty graph of battery remaining v. hours on. This has obvious deficiencies such as
The phone never actually moves, it is on my nightstand so this won't simulate an active day where the radio is having to select the best tower.
When I wake up my battery is not dead, so I am not able to measure time from total charge to total discharge.
Even with these deficiencies and possibly more, I believe that this will give a decent benchmark as to which radios perform better than others. (in terms of battery life) So far I have conducted this for 2 nights and 2 radios, both running in 2G mode. The next two nights I will probably re-run the tests for 3G enabled just to see if that causes a significant change in the result.
So see this pretty graph to see what's happened so far... I'll post updates as I progress.
Oh yeah, I'm on ATT/Cingular Network in USA/TX.
Results in summary:
So far, I have tested radios 1.47.30.10 and 1.54.30.10 and gotten practically identical results for battery life. In my day of use for each radio, I have not noticed any call quality issues with either radio.
Other techniques: ?
There probably are other techniques to accomplish this, such as a program that measures battery discharge current. My gut feeling is to not trust these for this analysis because those programs typically have a low sampling rate and I don't know where they get there information and if that is a reliable source. And the other problem, I haven't found any such programs that can do it when the phone decides to go into the sleep mode and radio is having to maintain an idle but yet present connection to the cellular network.
Feedback anyone? Ideas?
dear experts, i've flashed 1.54.07 radio rom, but i soon discovered that i've lost my HSDPA connection to network. now i can only have 3G connection. Even though i tried to enable HSDPA in Schap's Config...but still no result...
Help please...or please suggest which radio rom which has got HSDPA enabled...
p/s: i think 1.54.07 is power consumption friendly becoz it has disable HSDPA connection...
what do u guys think?
HSDPA is enabled in that rom. Been using it with pandora naked rom with no issues whatsoever.
that's weird...hmmm....I'm using Schap's 3.57a ROM...previously have HSDPA b4 i upgrade to this rom...
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2 cents on this topic - the observation of battery drain is somewhat subjective. I'd suggest someone do an extended test where the phone has a current drain logging program and track drain for each phone mode - data connection - transfer / phone use / idle and do a statistical comparison.
With a lack of good data? I'd think that the latest rev would have changes for some reason - hopefully a good one.
I'm using the latest 1.54 without performance issues.
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INDEED !!!
I was go with 1.54.30... then I have a trouble to find "3G" (somethimes it was hard to find "E") then I switch back to 1.50.00... and everything is ok (I mean from the same place I live, I found "3G" successfully). The battery drain should be have relation with the connection and that's vary in other country IMHO
Still on 1.43 and seem to be doing just fine with battery life. Maybe I will try the 1.47
Switch to 1.50.00....HSDPA returns...
So i can presume that 1.54.07 has got no HSDPA enabled for power saving...
What say experts?
Hey everyone,
Last month I gave a TP2 as a gift to a relative of mine, who is not the most tech savvy. Now, after having been in use for a month, my relative complained about an unsually high phone bill. So I checked it out, and it turns out that the phone used just short of 400 MB in a single month!!! The itemised bill showed that the phone sent or received several megabytes (usually around 4 MB) during times, when the noone was using it (like the middle of the night, 5 in the morning and so on).
The following services were enabled on the phone, that potentially use data:
- Automatic downloading of weather data
- Push notifications for Windows Live Hotmail (
- Windows Update
- Windows Customer Feedback Program
I've now disabled all of the above. Nevertheless, I have to say that blocks of 4 MB without actual use seem pretty excessive. I get push emails on my phone with Google Mail and I never have any more than a couple hundred kilobytes a month. And things like the Customer Feedback Program shouldn't use any data at all (if i recall the dialog explaining the service correctly).
Does anyone have any idea what could be the cause of all this? I actually feel bad for giving someone a phone that causes an astronomical phone bill without having been used excessively. Do you think my relative has some chance of getting at least part of the bill refunded?
Thanks for your input.
Easy.
Just delete the t-mobile setting under connection.
Or change the server to epc.1tmobile.com
Done!
Thank for the input, but I'm sorry to say that that does not actually apply in this case. It is a generic HTC Touch Pro 2, bought in Germany, running on the E-Plus network. Deleting the internet settings all together is not an option, since the phone is supposed to be able to go online (eg. to check stock quotes).
What I'm really wondering is:
- What, out of the services I mentioned, would use up such rediculous amounts of data for no aparent reason?
- How much data do other users see, who do not go online with their phone all day long?
PS: I forgot to mention that Google Latitude was also engabled at some point in time, but was then disabled on account of the fact that it does not update the location when the phone is in standby, and is thus, utterly useless.
Is there some kind of data service on that line? Is this a prepaid line or a post paid(monthy bill). The bill for this overage shows what? Does it show a charge per mb?
A program like SPB wireless monitor can report usage split between which applications are using the data. I don't know whether the trial version would be good enough to get to the bottom of this, but even paying for the full version would be worthwhile if it saves the big bills.
I agree that this is a very large amount of data for the phone to be using by itself!
Did you use Google Maps?
Edit: If not, I would definitely install spb wireless monitor.
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- How much data do other users see, who do not go online with their phone all day long?
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I go online with Exchange push, Gmail every 4 hours, Hotmail push, weather, web browsing, facebook, upload pictures, etc
and my monthly useage are around 100-150MB on average.
User who are not go online with their phone all day would be much less than my usage.
Check if she has websites set to push during those times.
Hey everyone,
The phone is on a prepaid plan, but it shows you very exactly how much data was used when.
By now I am fairly confident that the problem lies with Windows Live and Hotmail push notifications. I have in the meantime reactivated the Windows feedback thing (after all, we all benefit from the information I submit to MS ) and have not noticed any additional data charges. I have disabled automatic updating of weather data, but syncronized once manually and was shocked to find that it used a whopping 1.2MB!!! Absoulutely rediculous.
I have not reenabled Windows Update, but since there are no updates available anyway, I fail to see how that might cause as much data as was used.
Which only leaves Windows Live as the culprit. What I fail to see is how it managed to use up so much data when downloading E-mails. Even newsletters, which arrived on the phone too, rarely have more than a hundred or so KB.. and that includes pictures, which the phone does not download automatically.
Well, I'll install the SPB Monitor and let you know what my findings are.
xanthene
PS: There are no push pages set up
I 100% agree with you about the SPB Wireless monitor.
The new version of SPB wireless monitor is great. It will break down which programs are using what data amounts, which connections are being used and will even give a chart showing these things. You can view daily, weekly and monthly. It monitors USB, MMS, GPRS, and even WiFi but all you want is the gprs.
A weather program that uses 1.2 megs is rediculous. I use Weatherpanel (free) it updates once an hour including radar images for 3 cities and it uses about 400k per day!
It is a necessity on my Kaiser and if and when they bring the HTC to North America it will go on that as well.
Do you have facebook sync set up up? When I had it set to auto sync on the 2.1 beta I use on my Touch Pro it was blowing through data and battery.
She may have used less than the bill shows...some carriers round up on up on the data use/cost.
Thanks again for all your input, the matter is basically settled now. I've disabled data connections on the phone, preventing it from accumulating such rediculous charges without reason. Now the data connections just have to be manually turned on before going online - which isn't really an issue considering how little the phone is being used to surf around the net.
SPB Wireless Monitor obviously shows next to no data, on account of the fact that data has been turned off. I used it to read two news pages once and SPB reported 2.5MB. Again, pretty rediculously high amounts for some news. Looks like Opera isnt the most efficient browser. I should benchmark it against Skyfire and Opera 9.7b with Turbo when I have some time.
Regarding the units that get charged: data gets counted in increments of 10 kilobytes, which is more than fair on a prepaid plan.
Facebook sync is turned off.
I guess the matter is settled. Weather uses way more data than it should, and the only other service that I haven't tested yet is Hotmail Push. The cold, hard process of elimination clearly blames Hotmail.
Thanks for all your input.
Hi,
I am currently using Samsung Focus Flash on AT&T network. It shows I have used 45 mbs in just over 3 days and most of them like yesterdays nights 12:48AM 21mbs are at odd times when I am at home and on wifi. I previously used Blackberry Bold 9000 and never exceeded 100mbs of usage per month. Before that I had iPhone and it too stood around 120-140mbs per month.
I mainly use it for mails and hardly any multimedia. One thing I suspect is when downloading podcasts its not considering Wifi, as other then that I can not think of any other reason as I do not use it for any video streaming like intensive activities.
I came across few threads but all from early 2011 like on engadget etc. Few suggested it has something to with Yahoo mail. I have one yahoo mail account.
To debug this for now I have turned off cellular data as will be home over the weekend. Please suggest.
Thanks
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Hi,
I am currently using Samsung Focus Flash on AT&T network. It shows I have used 45 mbs in just over 3 days and most of them like yesterdays nights 12:48AM 21mbs are at odd times when I am at home and on wifi. I previously used Blackberry Bold 9000 and never exceeded 100mbs of usage per month. Before that I had iPhone and it too stood around 120-140mbs per month.
I mainly use it for mails and hardly any multimedia. One thing I suspect is when downloading podcasts its not considering Wifi, as other then that I can not think of any other reason as I do not use it for any video streaming like intensive activities.
I came across few threads but all from early 2011 like on engadget etc. Few suggested it has something to with Yahoo mail. I have one yahoo mail account.
To debug this for now I have turned off cellular data as will be home over the weekend. Please suggest.
Thanks
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If you don't have it plugged in, you aren't on WIFI. WIFI turns off when the screen goes off unless the phone is plugged in to power.
Please ignore will monitor and update if still an issue
how are you able to tell when the data is being used?
I did notice that this month, my past bill was pretty high on usage. I usually don't ever use more than ~200 mb...this bill, i hit over a gig...don't know how
I can check minutes and data used from AT&T website as well as their mobile apps.
Thanks
It might be AT$T cheating u on ur data. I have Tmo and I don't notice any leaked data usage.
Thanks, I have done complete reset of phone and started with minimal settings to narrow down to leak if possible. Does any one of you download podcast directly to phone ? As that is only thing which would have bandwidth, but when downloading I was always connected to Wifi so should not have been charged to Cellular data.
Yea there is a setting that will make it only download podcasts over WiFi.
Downloading Podcasts
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Thanks, I have done complete reset of phone and started with minimal settings to narrow down to leak if possible. Does any one of you download podcast directly to phone ? As that is only thing which would have bandwidth, but when downloading I was always connected to Wifi so should not have been charged to Cellular data.
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I download a lot of podcasts to my phone, using several different Apps including "Bringcast", "Podcasts Pro", and "Podceiver". As someone else pointed out, if your phone is not plugged into usb or wall charger and receiving a charge, as soon as your screen turns off, the download will revert to cellular data and stop using your Wifi.
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I think i know what was my jump in data...that damn game Fragger. I remember the install was 85 MB's and it wasn't coming down correctly. I kept having to retry the download and it was telling me to get on wifi,,which I was. I bet those hiccups caused the jump for me last month
After rest usage went down but still between 12-1 in morning I see few mbs used. I have connected phone to fiddler2 to monitor the network usage, and shut down cellular data. Will update my findings if anything serious.
Few days ago I installed the new Kernel that fixes the network counters from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1468626 (thanks to ardatdat).
Immediately I noticed that the traffic is counting up way too quickly. I looked at my bills to see if this is new, and realized that since I got the phone, my monthly traffic was consistently at 200-400MB per month, even though I can explain maybe 30MB per month (I have access to wifi pretty much anywhere I go).
So, started digging. In the last 3 days there's been 25MB down and 50MB up. With all the testing I was doing, I can explain maybe 10 down and 5 up. So, using the TrafficCounter app, I found that a system app called "Task Manager" is responsible for the traffic (attached screencap displays traffic over 4 hours).
It doesn't slowly count up. Instead, it will stay at the same mark, then all of a sudden change by 2.2MB. Every time. So it looks like it packages something and sends it off. The most interesting thing? It only does it when on 3G. If I'm connected to WIFI, it's silent. Like it doesn't want me to see what it's doing.
So, installed Shark, and made a traffic capture. I was able to capture the outgoing SSL stream that was exactly 2.18MB. Destination IP 74.125.226.65 resolves to yyz06s07-in-f1.1e100.net. Browsing there gives google's front page......
Checked the TCP stream, right before the transfer, there's a DNS lookup for android.clients.google.com, which responds with that IP address.
Checking SSL Cert gives me *.google.com cert. Same one as for all of their sites
So it turns out every 3 or so hours there's a 2.2MB transfer from my phone to the google servers via encrypted channel.
Looking further, my wife's and my mother's androids are showing just as much data on their bills, they got Nexus S and Galaxy S. While I can see my wife using so much data, it's doubtful my mom has even figured out how to consume so much traffic.
Anyone else notice this?
What is the purpose of it? If it's legitimate, how can they justify using so much of my limited monthly bandwidth?
You've checked the "keep my phone backed up to my google account" button on setup. You can re-run the setup to uncheck that option, but until then it'll continue to send those big packages, and it prefers the 3G connection. I've taken to leaving my WIFI on and connected at all times. With a measly 200MB/month plan (AT&T can blow me for un-grandfathering my unlimited data), a 15MB backup nightly was killing me...
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If it is the sync feature using all this data, you can disable the automatic sync from Settings > Accounts and Sync. It doesn't appear there's any way to tell it to only sync on Wifi, but I'm sure most of the data monitoring apps out there can stop apps from using mobile data. Onavo, for instance, claims to have this feature, but I haven't had cause to use it yet.
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You've checked the "keep my phone backed up to my google account" button on setup. You can re-run the setup to uncheck that option, but until then it'll continue to send those big packages, and it prefers the 3G connection. I've taken to leaving my WIFI on and connected at all times. With a measly 200MB/month plan (AT&T can blow me for un-grandfathering my unlimited data), a 15MB backup nightly was killing me...
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Thanks, that was it! Didn't expect that setting there. It's upsetting that there's no way to configure that feature - such as how often to send data, to only send incrementals, or such an advanced setting as upload only when connected to WIFI.
Problem with leaving wifi on all the time is the fact that it eats battery a lot. If my wifi is on all the time, the battery life is about 40% shorter
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Thanks, that was it! Didn't expect that setting there. It's upsetting that there's no way to configure that feature - such as how often to send data, to only send incrementals, or such an advanced setting as upload only when connected to WIFI.
Problem with leaving wifi on all the time is the fact that it eats battery a lot. If my wifi is on all the time, the battery life is about 40% shorter
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No problem, could you append [SOLVED] to your original post?
Thanks
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