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I can see a lot of techie people getting very upset about what's been revealed about WP7S, and I'm starting to think that although I too was initially a bit ruffled, much of it really doesn't matter.
1. No SSD support
I always buy the biggest SSD I can, shove it into my new phone, and promptly forget about it. I can't recall the last time I upgraded to a bigger SSD without upgrading my phone at the same time, such is the rate of progress. Indeed, the iPhone, with its internal memory, always seems to be one step ahead of SSD-capable phones. My HD2 has a 16GB SSD, the iPhone has 32GB of memory. 32GB SSDs aren't even available. I never, ever take the SSD out of the phone once it's in there. So for me, removable memory just isn't an issue.
2. Multitasking
I thought I needed this, but looking at the apps I use on my HD2, I can only see one that really genuinely need multitasking, and that's Palringo. As far as I can tell, chat is going to be integrated into the Panels thingy so I probably won't even need to install Palringo anyway. Pausing apps when I switch away from them will be just fine with me.
3. Marketplace
I've never developed my own apps, nor do I intend to, nor do I operate in a corporate environment. Downloading apps from a central marketplace will be 100 times easier than having to trawl through Handango etc for some frankly pretty ****e apps to try to find decent ones. At least the apps in the store will have gone through a vetting process. I just hope Microsoft aren't as draconian as Apple in what they reject. Also, when downloading an app I won't have to choose between speed (install to memory) and space (install to SSD). I will get BOTH without having to decide at all. Sounds good to me!
4. Inter-app communications etc.
I don't believe WM6.5 apps do that anyway!
There you go, flame away - I for one will be much happier with a WP7S phone than I have been with WM6.5.
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4. Inter-app communications etc.
I don't believe WM6.5 apps do that anyway!
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You are very wrong here.
vangrieg said:
You are very wrong here.
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Let me rephrase then - I don't believe any of the apps I use do it.
Cash Organizer
Pocket Informant
GCzII
KeePass
Palringo
TomTom 7
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3. Marketplace
I've never developed my own apps, nor do I intend to, nor do I operate in a corporate environment. Downloading apps from a central marketplace will be 100 times easier than having to trawl through Handango etc for some frankly pretty ****e apps to try to find decent ones. At least the apps in the store will have gone through a vetting process. I just hope Microsoft aren't as draconian as Apple in what they reject. Also, when downloading an app I won't have to choose between speed (install to memory) and space (install to SSD). I will get BOTH without having to decide at all. Sounds good to me!
4. Inter-app communications etc.
I don't believe WM6.5 apps do that anyway!
There you go, flame away - I for one will be much happier with a WP7S phone than I have been with WM6.5.
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I don't like the idea that i have to install apps through marketplace, unless the downloaded apps could be saved on the internal/external storage so i can manually install it again if i have to hard reset my device if nescesary.
Imagine you're on vacation, somewhere across the border and suddenly you need to hard reset your device because... because you just had to.
now... installing apps through marketplace requires an data connection, wich of course, you don't have (besides wifi) if you were in another country. Or you'd like to pay for data roaming.
hyellow said:
I don't like the idea that i have to install apps through marketplace, unless the downloaded apps could be saved on the internal/external storage so i can manually install it again if i have to hard reset my device if nescesary.
Imagine you're on vacation, somewhere across the border and suddenly you need to hard reset your device because... because you just had to.
now... installing apps through marketplace requires an data connection, wich of course, you don't have (besides wifi) if you were in another country. Or you'd like to pay for data roaming.
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there is no external storage so without a pc u wont be able to put your info back on without a wifi or data connection which would work like myphone does now. not sure how u would put your apps back on without re downloading all of them from marketplace.
saying this im guess the phone is less likely to go wrong and will be very similar to how a iphone works.
hyellow said:
I don't like the idea that i have to install apps through marketplace, unless the downloaded apps could be saved on the internal/external storage so i can manually install it again if i have to hard reset my device if nescesary.
Imagine you're on vacation, somewhere across the border and suddenly you need to hard reset your device because... because you just had to.
now... installing apps through marketplace requires an data connection, wich of course, you don't have (besides wifi) if you were in another country. Or you'd like to pay for data roaming.
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From my own perspective, I never keep copies of the cab files for my apps on my phone anyway, so that wouldn't help me. Nore have I ever had to do a hard reset on my HD2 (except once for the dreaded lock password issue, now I don't use a lock password). Plus, as there IS NO SSD to store them on, it's kind of a moot point.
I don't like that Marketplace is the only way to install app.
That means MS can potentially shut out competitive product like google map, search etc. This is getting more like apple to me.
Also, if not SD support and no USB Device mode, it's a no go for me.
I'd like to store photos, music and even pc apps etc on my SD in case I need it.
Plus, should your phone become bricked, good luck trying to access to all your content.
wmserver said:
I don't like that Marketplace is the only way to install app.
That means MS can potentially shut out competitive product like google map, search etc. This is getting more like apple to me.
Also, if not SD support and no USB Device mode, it's a no go for me.
I'd like to store photos, music and even pc apps etc on my SD in case I need it.
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Microsoft have already said they will allow all competitors' apps, and I hope that will always remain true. Regarding USB file transfer, have Microsoft specifically said it won't be supported? (I'm not sure)
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Microsoft have already said they will allow all competitors' apps, and I hope that will always remain true. Regarding USB file transfer, have Microsoft specifically said it won't be supported? (I'm not sure)
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ms has said u cant use wm7 as a usb drive, they also said that bing must be used for search, not sure if it must be used for maps too.
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I don't like that Marketplace is the only way to install app.
That means MS can potentially shut out competitive product like google map, search etc. This is getting more like apple to me.
Also, if not SD support and no USB Device mode, it's a no go for me.
I'd like to store photos, music and even pc apps etc on my SD in case I need it.
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I think you still access photos, music etc. with the new media sync application (forgot the name). Indeed it seems to be a major feature of WP7!
But I also use my phone as USB stick, using it for non-media stuff, which I assume won't be possible anymore.
I experienced once incident during holiday to Spain, this is real story.
I was using TomTom and HTC Kaiser. All of sudden, the TomTom application stuck, I could not interact with it ... except hitting the soft-reset hole.
After soft reset, all content in my sd card gone, including the TomTom map.
I really hate that situation because I rely only on my TomTom
Lessen learned, I always keep second SD card on my bag during holiday which contain exactly the same.
So there you go, I think SD card is required.
The thing is, I am willing to sacrifice without SD Card. Probably the above incident was caused by "bad" sd card. With internal storage, probably it will be much more reliable. Ok that's fine.
But ........................
I want a way to EASILY store my files (big files) on the phone. Files like software utility etc. That's handy.
With no file manager ... and no sd card slot, I cannot picture this possible easily.
Probably I could use Zune software (ala iTunes)???
But that will defeat the purpose of having those files available all the time. Because other PC might not have Zune software!
Hmm, using email to transfer file? Yeah right, 3G is still slow compared to direct copy from sd card ! And imagine when roaming to pay data connection.
This is what I really dont like about WP7 ...
I can live without multitasking and side loading, no problem with that.
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From my own perspective, I never keep copies of the cab files for my apps on my phone anyway, so that wouldn't help me. Nore have I ever had to do a hard reset on my HD2 (except once for the dreaded lock password issue, now I don't use a lock password). Plus, as there IS NO SSD to store them on, it's kind of a moot point.
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I remember yesterday, when someone asked Joe Belfiore ... "Will there be Mac support?"
His answer was something like "You dont need PC to be able to use Windows Phone 7 Series" ... "Try to not use PC" ...
Hmm, it'll be a shame to lose the USB drive functionality, but I only really ever used that to load cab files onto my phone (which will be moot as marketplace will be the way to get apps) from my work PC, but I can live without doing that, especially as I shouldn't have been doing that anyway (ahem).
An advantage of using the Zune software to put files onto the phone will be the inbuilt compression and media format conversion though, which will be nice.
I should add that I carry a 32GB memorystick around with me (it's on my house keyfob) and use that for pretty much all my file transfer needs. My phone is so stuffed with mp3s that it has virtually no free space on its SSD, hence it's pretty useless for file transfer anyway!
Yes Jim, I think I must think the same approach.
At this moment, I also carrying 4GB super small micro sd card on my pocket.
I think I need to find one as a key-chain.
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Hmm, it'll be a shame to lose the USB drive functionality, but I only really ever used that to load cab files onto my phone (which will be moot as marketplace will be the way to get apps) from my work PC, but I can live without doing that, especially as I shouldn't have been doing that anyway (ahem).
An advantage of using the Zune software to put files onto the phone will be the inbuilt compression and media format conversion though, which will be nice.
I should add that I carry a 32GB memorystick around with me (it's on my house keyfob) and use that for pretty much all my file transfer needs. My phone is so stuffed with mp3s that it has virtually no free space on its SSD, hence it's pretty useless for file transfer anyway!
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Satnav application vendors often distribute their maps by selling you an SD card with the maps pre-installed on it. How's that going to work without an SD card slot? Are people going to download several gigabytes worth of maps over the data connection?
The way it works for iPhone is pretty straightforward - downloads over 10MB go via iTunes (you can choose to download everything this way, BTW).
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I really don't understand this no SD card thing. If I interpreted the post where I read that information correctly. It's not even that there are no SD cards allowed, it's that they don't want removable SD cards.
I think they said the vendor could have an unremovable SD card if they chose (behind the battery). I'm hoping I mis-interpreted this, I see little reason or sense in having SD card support but making them non-removable. That would just further upset me about that .
But I guess isn't not that big a deal since there's no file management on the device which is an even bigger problem. It's almost like they're trying to alienate their business clients.
Ganondolf said:
saying this im guess the phone is less likely to go wrong and will be very similar to how a iphone works.
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You think iphones don't go wrong?
Anyhow as far as I can work out most of the new stuff in WP7S compared to WM is lame and actually relates to loss of functionality, with only the potential for easier development being offered in return. If useful apps materialise then maybe the damage won't be that bad but they are sacrificing everything for potential gain.
The fact is though that windows mobile grew on PDAs, and I think most people who want a WM phone want a PDA with a phone attached to it, with the feel of a "PC" in your "pocket". WP7S seems targeted at a completely different consumer who just wants a phone with a flashy touchscreen display. The thing is iphone does that perfectly well already. I don't see anything I want in WP7S, and there's nothing that has been described that I can't get elsewhere in an ordinary (modern) phone. It had better be a better product because I doubt there would be any customer loyalty between 6.5 and 7.
gom99 said:
I really don't understand this no SD card thing.
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But I guess isn't not that big a deal since there's no file management on the device which is an even bigger problem.
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Well you obviously understand the no SD card thing - there's nothing you could do with the card in WP7S with no file system access.
Hi
Just discovered this excellent forum.
What a difference 4 years makes, have gone from a 2006 Sony Erickson W810 walkman phone to this and its just a little bit different shall we say.
I'm still playing with it. trying to get it set up etc. Have tried to bluetooth across my phone contacts from the Sony (before the number transfer takes place on 6 April) and message comes up saying that the Desire is awaiting 'acceptance of the transfer). Symbols have appeared on the top of the Desire.
Where do i go to accept the contact list transfer?
Any other 'top tips' woulod be greatly appreciated.
Can you also watch 'live' TV i.e. Sky sports through the Sky player.
I read on UK hot deals forum how to speed up the 3G, this seems to be working.
Other probably stupid questions:
On a PC you would set up a firewall, virus protection for the internet etc. Do you not have to do this when accessing the net via a phone? What happens with span, hackers etc if you accidentially access 'dodgy sites' shall we say.
Have to say loading apps looks a little complicated for the novice, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
I think I can address a couple of issues, just not the BT issue.
Live TV?
Well, I don't think there's an app for live TV (at least here in the UK). However a site which broadcasts live TV (probably requiring Flash) may work. Though Flash is known not to work great yet so don't get your hopes up. Would love to be wrong on this point though. I saw a friend in Sweden watch live TV on his iPhone with a station specific app, over wifi. Was kinda cool!
No idea what you're talking about with speeding up 3G. Maybe you can share...
Virus/firewall protection?
Ah yes, that old nut. I'm guessing that they break down into 2 groups, one's that scan constantly and one's that scan occasionally. The 1st offers highest protection but requires highest resources and thus few people will use it on mobile devices. The 2nd is more possible and is available.
But then you have the issue of risk. Many argue, in short, there's not enough risk (even though malicious software does exist). There's not enough devices to make it worthwhile (the same arguements of why Macs don't have so many viruses) and even if there are millions of devices running the same software, the proportion of people that have stuff that is worth stealing puts the value even lower.
I'm sure when mobile devices are more integrated, more powerful (though running Google Earth on my desktop a few years back was hard enough, so to see it on my Desire...!) and when they hold/access more valuable data (i.e. more mobile banking and passwords on mobile devices), then the risk will no doubt also increase.
TV Catchup is the place for live tv. like its been said not sure of with the flash as my desire is on charge and i havent tried it yet.
if your old phone can sync contacts to outlook then do that and save the contacts as a csv file.
then go to google mail and import the .csv file
Thats the theory that worked for me. Your best bet is to google search the rest
Ok - So cloud computing is the way to go. However, for some this is not an entirely valid option due to security etc., and many will not like their data on servers that they do not control. Help may be at hand! I'm putting this up more for info rather than a sugestion of the way to go.
Below are some details of products which might help although none are free (unlike Skydrive, Dropbox and others - loads in fact) but it means that you get to keep the data off of systems you do not control.
Netgear Stora - It's a 1TB box that connects to your own WiFi and the web. It works like Dropbox and you can access files and stream from it too. It costs around £150
Linksys Media Hub - It's similar to the Stora but only has a 500GB hard drive but simpler to use than the Stora. It costs around £130.
Lastly but not least, the Pogoplug - It's pink and slightly gay looking but hooks on to your router and makes use of any hard drives connected to it. It's even simpler to use than the other two.
Basically all 3 of the above allow you to punt your files around the internet securely. They should all work with the WP7 OS and phones though someone will have to give them a go. You can get more info on the websites for these products.
Personally I'm looking at hot pink but I'm bigger and harder than most of you so say nothing .
Hope this helps in some way
Thanks to Stuff magazine 138 September 2010
In theory it should be fine but (there is always but) consider following items and their challenges
1: 99.9% uptime,
2: data in transition, secure/unsecure, between wp7 and these devices.
3: security on these devices, how do u authenticate yourself
4: application that can be configured to individual client storage devices
5: WP7 OS api to access personal data
6: communication protocol, no raw sockets remember,
7: size of data
8: DR (disaster recovery) what is a backup plan?
9: cost of running these devices
I am thinking out loud here, there will be many more things to consider, not impossible but difficult and require lot of time and effort.
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In theory it should be fine but (there is always but) consider following items and their challenges
1: 99.9% uptime,
2: data in transition, secure/unsecure, between wp7 and these devices.
3: security on these devices, how do u authenticate yourself
4: application that can be configured to individual client storage devices
5: WP7 OS api to access personal data
6: communication protocol, no raw sockets remember,
7: size of data
8: DR (disaster recovery) what is a backup plan?
9: cost of running these devices
I am thinking out loud here, there will be many more things to consider, not impossible but difficult and require lot of time and effort.
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All of the devices I mentioned are IMO for home use so yes indeed, all you mentioned is spot on and anybody who decides to get one should be under no illusions that it will be exactly like what is offered by the big boys and that they don't need to consider these issues.
In terms of the set up etc., I believe for all it's pretty simple and so issues with security and so on are taken care of and once set up need little to no ongoing maintenance. You can make them as secure or un-secure as you want, but remember - they are on your own home network.
Cost wise (apart from the initial £100-£150), I guess this will just be the cost of another device permanently on, bandwidth (but if for personal use probably negligible) and hard drive space.
What I was going for here was to show people that don't want to store their data on cloud servers, that there are alternatives that they may like to consider.
Best thing to do is for interested parties to have a look at the websites (Netgear, Linksys and Firebox) and ascertain for themselves which one if any is for them
I'm not sure what the appeal of having 25gigs (or whatever it is) of dropbox space with the One phones - if I stick 25gigs of music/movies or anything else in the dropbox cloud, it's not exactly instantly accessible data. It would take about 9 years to download that over 3g, so I can't see how it's a practical storage solution for a phone. Am I missing something? Maybe other countries have super-fast 3g alternatives... like 4g!
Also, there's been lots written about the HTC one phones, but I couldn't find anything about call quality - isn't that mad?! Nowadays the ability of a phone to function as a phone is worthy of maybe three lines in a 4-page review...
I didn't like the idea at first but I've started to use dropbox and Google music myself so now my phone is free for applications and such. Music plays instantly on google play and I can expand my collection beyond to what I can store on my phone and while images take a little longer than I'd like to open on dropbox, it's still good when the one x does run low on internal storage space.
We have a good network here in denmark and it's pretty speedy. I wish the Xl was quad though so I could make use of the 4g network here but I want quad tegra so it has to be the one x
I belive its not the information on the cloud, its like the Dropbox beta.
Im background, its runs a backup service that mirror your information to the web.
The problem is, what happend afther 2 years of "free contract".
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...Also, there's been lots written about the HTC one phones, but I couldn't find anything about call quality - isn't that mad?! Nowadays the ability of a phone to function as a phone is worthy of maybe three lines in a 4-page review...
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To be fair there has been very little written about the One X that isn't just based on quick hands on sessions at MWC. I've yet to see a review where the reviewer has actually had a phone for an extended period of time. Also as far as I know the phones at MWC did not have sim cards in them so no one yet has had chance to test that.
I agree its an important feature of a phone however with modern phones I think we just take it for granted that it will have good call quality. I'm sure by the end of next week there will be many people in this forum who can give you some more feedback. Also I dare say for many people phone quality is low down on their list...
Also don't forget the phone has 26gb of usable on device storage and if you really must carry around your complete movie and music collection to have at hand then it has USB host mode so you can plug a usb storage device into it.
Personally I intended to store music in google music, allowing me to stream my whole music collection if I want to, also allowing me to mark certain albums (the ones I want to listen to most) available offline so I don't need to stream over 3g when I'm off wifi and so I have access to them for those times when you have no internet connection. I will manage what I have offline and online during WIFI time.
Dropbox will store photo's, video (ones recorded on the device), documents and possibly device backups.
Local storage will be used to store videos which are transferred from my PC library when and if I need them (pre-planning needed). I have no need to store my entire movie collection on my phone...
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Also don't forget the phone has 26gb of usable on device storage...
Local storage will be used to store videos which are transferred from my PC library when and if I need them (pre-planning needed). I have no need to store my entire movie collection on my phone...
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I agree - to be honest, I'm not too bothered about space. 32gb (or however much is usable) is fine for me. I'll just load up whatever films/music I want on the phone before any long journey. I'm unlikely to need hundreds of films or albums on the phone at any one time.
Last time I tried streaming music on my phone - though spotify - it was painfully slow, so maybe I'll try again & see if it's actually usable.
I wouldn't upload the data on Dropbox which you really need all day, just the things for home and sharing some files or just for uploading the pictures to clean up your mass storage.
With Google Music and or a subscription service like Spotify music is covered. The streaming is actually good on Google Music as long as you don't need Flac! Why would you it's a mobile device!
The cloud backup is more than adequate, got a Box 50GB account and Dropbox 25GB account plenty of space. Most my HD videos get taken off the phone and backed up onto my server and or uploaded to YouTube so that's taken care of. I don't watch movies on the go, and have Flickr Pro account where all my photos get uploaded to.
So I think 32GB should be ample enough for my needs.
i have found a couple of dropbox music players wich works pretty good but the ui isnt that good but manageable , i have a google music account,a spotify subsrcription, a box 50gb account and 37gb dropbox account (87 in total 50gb wich i will cancel) and that plus the 25gb we get from htc is more than enough space so the HOX's internal storage won't be an issue for me
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Also I dare say for many people phone quality is low down on their list...
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It sounds silly, but I use my phone so little for calling that it really is the least of my worries. I don't really 'do' long phone calls with friends and I have a business phone for, uh, business purposes!
Also, many of my calls are over Bluetooth hands free, using my car stereo (I spend a lot of time on the road) and the quality over that isn't brilliant regardless of the phone.
Not knocking those who do care a lot, just giving another PoV!
The 2 year deal bothers me. But i have 8gb already plus box.net 50gb, and 4shared 25gb (you get 25 when you register and its for life). I use an app called audiogalaxy that makes me able to stream my whole mp3 collection from my computer and it even works on 2g, without any audio compression. And you can stream sd video on 3g via ftp + mx video. Ive been fine with a 2gb microsd for a year so i dont think storage will be a problem.
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Used to think cloud would be bad but then 2 hard drives and a USB failed in a week so much data lost I love the fact if my phone brakes all my photos are safe and well.
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Back in 2003, I came across a feature quietly tucked away in a service pack update I got for Win XP. They called it Microsoft Groove. It was a means of storing info online in case it was too big to send,you could upload pretty much anything(contacts,folders,etc.) and access the info remotely from any internet enabled computer in the world. Thanks but no thanks, I thought. My info, and that of others, is my responsibility to administrate.
Cut to 2012, now the contacts I had synchronised with Outlook back then,were associated with my Windows live account, which saved them online "as a backup". I cant sync contacts directly with my PC, now the info goes straight to the cloud platform. The cloud storage is the common meeting point for my devices, for years you could not take files directly from your 'high-tech' WP7 device and put them in your PC, you were ushered into the cloud computing framework and convinced that the whole thing was your idea all along. Real control over personal information is synonimous with older devices, the more advanced and current your device is,the less control you get over info. Sounds like a lame trade-off to me.
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Back in 2003, I came across a feature quietly tucked away in a service pack update I got for Win XP. They called it Microsoft Groove. It was a means of storing info online in case it was too big to send,you could upload pretty much anything(contacts,folders,etc.) and access the info remotely from any internet enabled computer in the world. Thanks but no thanks, I thought. My info, and that of others, is my responsibility to administrate.
Cut to 2012, now the contacts I had synchronised with Outlook back then,were associated with my Windows live account, which saved them online "as a backup". I cant sync contacts directly with my PC, now the info goes straight to the cloud platform. The cloud storage is the common meeting point for my devices, for years you could not take files directly from your 'high-tech' WP7 device and put them in your PC, you were ushered into the cloud computing framework and convinced that the whole thing was your idea all along. Real control over personal information is synonimous with older devices, the more advanced and current your device is,the less control you get over info. Sounds like a lame trade-off to me.
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Many years ago I came across a little used feature called email, all sounded a bit "fantastical" to me at the time, I mean, we had pens, we had paper, letter boxes in every home, if we all sat around typing on monochrome screens our eyes would bleed, we'd get radiation burns and we'd all forget how to write and besides, it hadn't been THAT long since telegrams were sent on mass, and interestingly they would still have been a bigger user base for that too compared to "email"
needless to say we didn't all go blind or forget how to write (although that at least is partially debatable!) and now we send these fandangled electronic letters everywhere instead, so much so in fact, our postal service is just about broke.
I do hear what you are saying, but this IS the world we live in, we need to move with it an to be perfectly honest, the cloud has saved my bacon more than once, in situations that a direct sync with a computer would have been as useful as a chocolate teapot.
im curious
what is it that you don't like about cloud? is there any actual reason other than the "idea" of dumping your stuff on a third party service that can arguably can look after your data in a much more secure location than a home computer
I happen to like having full control of what goes in and out of my device. I dont live too far from the beach,but I rarely go. The idea of not having that option anymore would drive me over the edge, its as logical as having a pool at your house. My rant was spurred on by an article that suggested that our devices would merely be shells. Remember when gmail crashed a while back, or RIM, Facebook,Twitter,etc.? Bothered the hell out of me. If Im likely to fall prey to that again,I should at least be able to keep operating independently of those vices, otherwise my phone will turn into an overpriced flashlight.
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I happen to like having full control of what goes in and out of my device. I dont live too far from the beach,but I rarely go. The idea of not having that option anymore would drive me over the edge, its as logical as having a pool at your house. My rant was spurred on by an article that suggested that our devices would merely be shells. Remember when gmail crashed a while back, or RIM, Facebook,Twitter,etc.? Bothered the hell out of me. If Im likely to fall prey to that again,I should at least be able to keep operating independently of those vices, otherwise my phone will turn into an overpriced flashlight.
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and yet, the flip side to that coin is that, yes you could sync directly to your computer to stay in "control" but should the server go down you still wont get your email in either case. If my server goes down my device keeps the contacts on it, it keeps the emails going back as far as I tell it too, I do not need to have the a connection to the server other than to get new data, which would screw both methods if that were to happen.
The other thing is that whilst direct syncing has benefits to some degree although personally I don't notice the difference any more as I cant even remember the last time I fired up outlook... anyhow, yes you can sync, but lets say you were on the beach and your phone goes tits up, I bet I can reset and be synced before you got off the beach unless the server is down in which case yes you could sync all your old data but your just as stuck for anything new as I would be, of course my other email account would be able to sync its contacts, so that would have to go down too, or perhaps the whole network stops...and wifi,,,
I do see what your saying, I used to think the same until I actually stood back and looked at it objectively, I asked myself some honest questions and added a second layer of redundancy by having my live and gmail accounts sync contacts and calendar info periodically. There really is only so much you can do and the benefits of cloud storage for me far out weigh the downsides.
Sorry my friend, but one way or another, direct syncing like the good old days is a relic of a time that's soon to be forgotten
I get you,dazza,really. My point is, though, that if theres a loss or unavailability of data, I want to be 100% responsible. I dread the day when I have to periodically look at a notification that says "Our technicians are working on it". This crap has gone down with every major cloud computing service or derivative since the innovation was thrust upon the masses. I just want my phone back,man. Screw the innovations, let me take my under-utilised hardware and be on my way.
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I get you,dazza,really. My point is, though, that if theres a loss or unavailability of data, I want to be 100% responsible. I dread the day when I have to periodically look at a notification that says "Our technicians are working on it". This crap has gone down with every major cloud computing service or derivative since the innovation was thrust upon the masses. I just want my phone back,man. Screw the innovations, let me take my under-utilised hardware and be on my way.
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I completely understand, but the reality is that is unlikely to come back, although I do see a future where the location of cloud can be changed, think along the lines of corporate domains with AD setup, companies may be ok with you taking work home an accessing via a phone but only on their terms, on their servers, if that were possible I could see a windows server extension to allow that, an thus potentially have it on a home server too... Maybe
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Vukile said:
I get you,dazza,really. My point is, though, that if theres a loss or unavailability of data, I want to be 100% responsible. I dread the day when I have to periodically look at a notification that says "Our technicians are working on it". This crap has gone down with every major cloud computing service or derivative since the innovation was thrust upon the masses. I just want my phone back,man. Screw the innovations, let me take my under-utilised hardware and be on my way.
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I used to feel the same way about print and electronic media. Think about it.
What I don't like is everything being dumbed down and the options being removed (Or made astronomically expensive) that used to exist before.
Microsoft has the technology (And the phone even supports it for corporates).
The fact is in terms of real usefulness palm os offline had far more innovative applications. (And didn't try to make everything moron proof).
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I used to feel the same way about print and electronic media. Think about it.
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Realistically the consumer should get outlook connectivity / lync / sharepoint / office 365 in a hosted manner not the dumbed down experience that we do get.
(Even the old activesync system was preferable in a lot of ways).
And yet dumbed down is exactly what people want, you are not not the target user
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dazza9075 said:
And yet dumbed down is exactly what people want, you are not not the target user
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Schaps had the gameplan years ago, but we were too busy sleeping. Imma donate the hell out of itParticipate.
I fell for this this "We're not updating xxxxxxx device" crap afew times. I had an iMate Jam (largest selling PDA of its time) and I let it go because it was never gonna get a WM5 update. Nowadays, I see cats doing backflips and handstands with their WM6.5 iMate Jams like its the most natural thing in the world. When it comes to devices, N.E.R.D
You can still have a modern "PDA" and live completely off the "cloud", your data haphazardly fragmented across devices, if you really feel the need to live in the past. Ironically though, Microsoft is no longer the company that will provide you the platform with which to do so.
I wonder how many former HTC Leo owners wish they never listened to that. Btw, since starting this thread, I managed to achieve my goal. A little Chinese ingenuity here,a little Vietnamese there, a dollop of Russian app and add some Italian and Egyptian flair.... Tasty.
history is cyclical, that's how humanity progresses, we do learn mistakes from the past, but will find news ways to make it again. In XX years time, we might end up going back to individual storage again.