https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola+Moto+360+Teardown/28891
Lots of interesting information. It looks like the USB contacts are accessible by peeling back the FCC sticker as well:
https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/BSaCmnUmb3166USa.huge
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https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola+Moto+360+Teardown/28891
Lots of interesting information. It looks like the USB contacts are accessible by peeling back the FCC sticker as well:
https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/BSaCmnUmb3166USa.huge
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Looks like this confirms that its the same OMAP 3630 that was in the 4 year old Moto Actv . Maybe android wear is lightweight enough to get by with such low processing power.
And the battery is only 300mAh not 320 as motorola said...
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And the battery is only 300mAh not 320 as motorola said...
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Pretty blatant false advertising no? I mean, I know we all expect only the absolute best materials and parts and are usually a bit disappointed when reality and economics set in, but this is flat out lying...
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I cannot believe that the battery is 300 instead 320mha
yeah... the battery bit is not cool... we should definitely raise a stink about it. It's one thing to use outdated hardware, it's another to claim one thing but provide the other.
Anyone have an idea of who we can contact at motorola? I think the blogosphere should really raise this issue to more light.
If no one opened up the watch, we would have never known.
hopefully that was a review watch and not final product.
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And the battery is only 300mAh not 320 as motorola said...
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Do I smell a class action lawsuit?
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Do I smell a class action lawsuit?
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Yeah...at this point, I'm not sure how moto can bail themselves out of the failed launch and wrong info.
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Yeah...at this point, I'm not sure how moto can bail themselves out of the failed launch and wrong info.
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Yeah....their inventories after a 6 month tease should leave any stock holder looking for a head on a platter.
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Yeah....their inventories after a 6 month tease should leave any stock holder looking for a head on a platter.
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i am sure what you are calling a failure moto is calling a success.
a failure is an amazon phone now costing 99 cent within a few weeks of its launch.
( response to 300 vs. 320 from moto)
Update:*Here's Motorola's statement on the matter:
The typical battery capacity for Moto 360 is 320 mAh and the minimum is 300 mAh. In the mobile industry, sometimes both the minimum and typical capacity is listed on the battery, with the typical capacity quoted as the official battery size. Both figures are included on the batteries of our Moto X, Moto E and Moto G devices. In the case of smaller devices, we aren’t always able to list both figures. For Moto 360 we only had room for one figure and choose to list the minimal capacity of the battery. We see how this can be confusing and we will look into ways to add the typical capacity as well in the future.
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...to-360-finds-smaller-battery-than-advertised/
I want to know why Motorola cheaped out on the SoC and used the obsolete TI Soc that is 3 years old. that blows me away!!!!!
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I want to know why Motorola cheaped out on the SoC and used the obsolete TI Soc that is 3 years old. that blows me away!!!!!
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To cut costs, probably. The engineering team evidently had a very tight budget.
I assume they had some in storage from MotoActv or a phones (Droid 2 I think) that it was sunk cost already. So the processor was in effect free. By the time they run out, the overall cost of the watch will have gone down and throwing a new processor won't affect the profit margin. Maybe they plan to limit Moto 360 V1 to just building the amount they have chips laying around. Then use something new in V2.
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I highly doubt they're calling it a success yet. At best, they've sold a couple tens of thousands of units, and I'd be surprised if it's not a lot less. Personally, I live in a US city with a population around a million, and so far they've delivered precisely two watches here.
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Update:*Here's Motorola's statement on the matter:
The typical battery capacity for Moto 360 is 320 mAh and the minimum is 300 mAh. In the mobile industry, sometimes both the minimum and typical capacity is listed on the battery, with the typical capacity quoted as the official battery size. Both figures are included on the batteries of our Moto X, Moto E and Moto G devices. In the case of smaller devices, we aren’t always able to list both figures. For Moto 360 we only had room for one figure and choose to list the minimal capacity of the battery. We see how this can be confusing and we will look into ways to add the typical capacity as well in the future.
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Somebody in marketing did a good job of dancing around the truth with that one.
a) There's clearly plenty of room to write both numbers on the battery without even reducing the font size.
b) Web pages don't have a length limit. If they were being honest, they'd have written both numbers on the website, or only the smaller one, not the one that's untruthful.
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I highly doubt they're calling it a success yet. At best, they've sold a couple tens of thousands of units, and I'd be surprised if it's not a lot less. Personally, I live in a US city with a population around a million, and so far they've delivered precisely two watches here.
Somebody in marketing did a good job of dancing around the truth with that one.
a) There's clearly plenty of room to write both numbers on the battery without even reducing the font size.
b) Web pages don't have a length limit. If they were being honest, they'd have written both numbers on the website, or only the smaller one, not the one that's untruthful.
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Not disagreeing with you just passing information along
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I want to know why Motorola cheaped out on the SoC and used the obsolete TI Soc that is 3 years old. that blows me away!!!!!
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It's not three years old, it's 5.6 years old. They announced it in mid-February 2009:
http://newscenter.ti.com/index.php?s=32851&item=125993
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Not disagreeing with you just passing information along
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Yes, I know. Ditto.
Related
So ours become old phone?
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/2...XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)&utm_content=FaceBook
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So ours become old phone?
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/2...XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)&utm_content=FaceBook
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The specs seem too good to be true ! But, if such a model is made available in my country then I'll buy it for sure. And I don't think it can be as early as july if at all it's released.
Yea idk, this seems like a wishlist more than anything.
They should wait for a year for new flagship phones
I doubt though.
With those kinda specs, its going to be a beast of a phone alright! Dimensions and weight wise that is! This rat race needs to stop and instead manufacturers need to optimize their HW and SW to work better together.
Haha, you want them to pay people to write better code instead of just selling you a phone with a faster CPU/etc? Funny guy. OCD third party developers are our only hope for better performance, major OEMs just try to make sure they have similar features to competing phones and will continue to upsell minor upgrades.
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Don't think it's a rumor:
http://www.gsmarena.com/alleged_details_on_the_camera_sensor_of_sony_honami_emerge-news-5948.php
Well if it's true I'll wait for it to release, if I like it enough I will sell my current phone and get that one. Doesn't upset me at all, if anything it makes me excited
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Haha, you want them to pay people to write better code instead of just selling you a phone with a faster CPU/etc? Funny guy. OCD third party developers are our only hope for better performance, major OEMs just try to make sure they have similar features to competing phones and will continue to upsell minor upgrades.
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Sadly that is the truth! Mobile phone specs have become like the penile enlargement industry
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Sadly that is the truth! Mobile phone specs have become like the penile enlargement industry
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it'll flatten out(i think it's starting to do this already) and people will start to worry about realworld applications vs sythentic benchmarks
same thing happened with megapixels and cameras
same thing happened with engine displacement and cars
same thing will happen here
honestly between the one s4 z and zl and nexus 4, your performance will be the same (+10-20% isnt usually enough to justify a price bump to the avg joe), people are buying one of those because of the accessories, aesthetics, ergonomics, battery life,display or marketing, not because the krait 400 is 15% faster than the krait 300, and to boot, all those phones use the same gpu ;p
we're going to hit a plateau with "Smart-phones" as we did with java phones(ill toss symbian in here, even though its smart phone system), and to differentiate, you'll see sony/nokia start splitting the lines up as they did earlier, cybershot/walkman/Nseries/Eseries etc.. as internally, things will be pretty much the same
the more things change, the more they stay the same
If the 2013 flagship Z and ZL models cost close to $800 U.S dollars, what will these monsters go for .. $1200 ? Come on people, there has to be a limit on what a consumer will pay for a PHONE!
At this pace Sony phones will cost more than Sony Vaio laptops, and those aren't cheap.
it will cost the same as ZL and Z when they are released, and ZL and Z will drop in price. Just hope the S800 spec is true. Its suppose to be 4K video play back ready right, hope the Phone can shoot 4K video even if the screen is not 4K. Just to be future proof.
battery should last for more than a day for medium use or it's not so useful.
one smart phone company focus on cost down and another focus on cost up with elegance
Just a ? anybody get a zl to work on a CDMA network? I was thinking bout getting a zl and I wanna put my Verizon sim card in it.
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Just a ? anybody get a zl to work on a CDMA network? I was thinking bout getting a zl and I wanna put my Verizon sim card in it.
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think
i think this is flaship of sony. must have Z+ and ZL+ , our phone is XPEARIA 2013 FIRST .not is a flaship
Xperia A coming to US, 5" screen.AND removable battery.
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I would love to know how much memory is there? I can not find this info anywhere ...
Also what kind of processor do we have under the hood? What kind of capability does it have?
Can someone shed some light on this?
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Screen:_______Transflective LCD1,6"
Resolution:____220 x 176-pixel (176 ppi)
Screen Color:__262K (16 bits)
IP Rate:_______IP57
CPU:_________Single- Core ARM Cortex-M4 (clocked at 180Mhz)
Connectivity:___Bluetooth 3.0 , NFC, MicroUSB (Only for charging)
Battery:_______Li-Polymer, up to 7 Days (low usage), typical usage up to 3-4 days
Dimensions:___1.6 x 1.6 x .35 inches (42mm x 41mm x 9mm)
Weight:_______4.3 ounces (122.5g), watch without wristband
Installed OS:___Linux-Variant
Compatibility:__Android 4.0 and newer
That's all I have found yet. I Hope this helps.
What would be interesting to know is: How big is the Memory of this thing?
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Screen:_______Transflective LCD1,6"
What would be interesting to know is: How big is the Memory of this thing?
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That is actually one of the important aspects of the watch I would like to know as well. I can not find any info on that one anywhere..
But thanks for the rest of the specs.
I think it is going to be around 1-4 GB
(as comparison; the Galaxy Gear has 4GB)
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I think it is going to be around 1-4 GB
(as comparison; the Galaxy Gear has 4GB)
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I seriously doubt that. 1 GB would be great but I don't think so...
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Maybe Sony is giving us an answer....I've just contacted them via E-mail.
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Maybe Sony is giving us an answer....I've just contacted them via E-mail.
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I really don't think you will get your question answered it's really a watch with low specs compared to the competition the never even said antyfing official about the processor
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izzet3838 said:
I really don't think you will get your question answered it's really a watch with low specs compared to the competition the never even said antyfing official about the processor
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I totally agree with you on this one. I believe except the screen, the internals of sw2 is on par with pebble. And original pebble had 4mb ram while the pebble steel bumped it up to 8 mb. So I would say 1 GB is simply wishful thinking.
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I totally agree with you on this one. I believe except the screen, the internals of sw2 is on par with pebble. And original pebble had 4mb ram while the pebble steel bumped it up to 8 mb. So I would say 1 GB is simply wishful thinking.
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Yeah i think that sony uses the sw2 for just making a profit as big as possible like they do with theirs docks they ask 35€ for one here and when you pull the nails open you just see it are two parts of plastic with a magentic usb cable
I won't buy a sony watch till they make them like their smartphones quality first profit next i was mad at samsung for asking that much for a gear but at least it has some specs
What i would pay max for an sw 2 at the moment is like €80
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Yeah i think that sony uses the sw2 for just making a profit as big as possible like they do with theirs docks they ask 35€ for one here and when you pull the nails open you just see it are two parts of plastic with a magentic usb cable
I won't buy a sony watch till they make them like their smartphones quality first profit next i was mad at samsung for asking that much for a gear but at least it has some specs
What i would pay max for an sw 2 at the moment is like €80
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Why should I buy a $300 Smartwatch with a lot of power and poor batterylife just for seeing my notifications?
The SM2 from Sony hasn't the best specs, but at a price of $150 it is definitly the best smartwatch. I've got the chance to switch the watches with a Galaxy Gear owner for two days...and he loved the SM2 so much more than the Gear, the best thing he said was the readabillity in bright sunlight and the long lasting battery.
He wouldn't get a Gear for this high price (He got it free, with contraction for a Smartphone), he rather would get a SM2 and pay half the price, but receiving the same (most used) functions.
And finally; If I want a lot of power (webbrowsing, and so on...), I just pick out my phone from the pocket...
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Why should I buy a $300 Smartwatch with a lot of power and poor batterylife just for seeing my notifications?
The SM2 from Sony hasn't the best specs, but at a price of $150 it is definitly the best smartwatch. I've got the chance to switch the watches with a Galaxy Gear owner for two days...and he loved the SM2 so much more than the Gear, the best thing he said was the readabillity in bright sunlight and the long lasting battery.
He wouldn't get a Gear for this high price (He got it free, with contraction for a Smartphone), he rather would get a SM2 and pay half the price, but receiving the same (most used) functions.
And finally; If I want a lot of power (webbrowsing, and so on...), I just pick out my phone from the pocket...
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Please look close to my post i wouldn't buy a gear myself
As you said too bad battery lofe it doesn't always show the clock and it's ugly but in here (belgium) the leather sm2 costs 200 euros what i think is too less for a watch with low specs like that
So i'm just gonna wait a lil bit gefore i'm gonna buy a smartwatch
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izzet3838 said:
Please look close to my post i wouldn't buy a gear myself
As you said too bad battery lofe it doesn't always show the clock and it's ugly but in here (belgium) the leather sm2 costs 200 euros what i think is too less for a watch with low specs like that
So i'm just gonna wait a lil bit gefore i'm gonna buy a smartwatch
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I know this problem, I'm living in Switzerland and the SW2 isn't officially avaiable here, so you have to get an import product from a website or import it by yourself. I've got mine for about $160 with the metal strap.
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I know this problem, I'm living in Switzerland and the SW2 isn't officially avaiable here, so you have to get an import product from a website or import it by yourself. I've got mine for about $160 with the metal strap.
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It's available in here at a lot of places but the problem is that the one with the metal/leather strip costs around the €200
And i looked it up and thats a lil more than 270$ whats way too much for that sw in my opinion
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It's available in here at a lot of places but the problem is that the one with the metal/leather strip costs around the €200
And i looked it up and thats a lil more than 270$ whats way too much for that sw in my opinion
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I wouldn't pay $270 either for the SW2 (or any other Smartwatch). Guess you have to wait, 'till it's getting cheaper. Just to still my curiosity: How much does the Gear cost in your Country?
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I wouldn't pay $270 either for the SW2 (or any other Smartwatch). Guess you have to wait, 'till it's getting cheaper. Just to still my curiosity: How much does the Gear cost in your Country?
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I would pay for a low spec device good money as long as the low specced hardware is utilized properly. I remember the old days of palm pilots. All they had was 33 MHz processors with 8 to 16 MB of memory but they performed wonderfully for what they were intended to compared to higher specced windows mobile handheld computers with 100 to 200 MHz processors and 128 to 512MB memory.
I don't think a smartwatch needs that much. If the apps for it are in the orders of 100 kb and optimized, it should be fine. But even then I would like to know how much memory does this smartwatch has.
What Sony should do is let the developers utilize full potential of the watch. Open it up Sony!!!
Take pebble for example. It has low specs but I love the way it functions. I would have bought it instead of SW2 but it is not available in my country and dealing with customs is a big hassle. So I bought the SW2. I am not saying SW2 is bad, actually most of the time I love it. I would like just a bit more customization options like ability to install native apps that does not rely on the phone to function like the alarm or stopwatch on the SW2. Also option to install native watchfaces would be welcome. That is why I am saying OPEN it up Sony.
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I would pay for a low spec device good money as long as the low specced hardware is utilized properly. I remember the old days of palm pilots. All they had was 33 MHz processors with 8 to 16 MB of memory but they performed wonderfully for what they were intended to compared to higher specced windows mobile handheld computers with 100 to 200 MHz processors and 128 to 512MB memory.
I don't think a smartwatch needs that much. If the apps for it are in the orders of 100 kb and optimized, it should be fine. But even then I would like to know how much memory does this smartwatch has.
What Sony should do is let the developers utilize full potential of the watch. Open it up Sony!!!
Take pebble for example. It has low specs but I love the way it functions. I would have bought it instead of SW2 but it is not available in my country and dealing with customs is a big hassle. So I bought the SW2. I am not saying SW2 is bad, actually most of the time I love it. I would like just a bit more customization options like ability to install native apps that does not rely on the phone to function like the alarm or stopwatch on the SW2. Also option to install native watchfaces would be welcome. That is why I am saying OPEN it up Sony.
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They have something called "Open SmartWatch Project". Ment for the original Smartwatch, but maybe also fo the SW2...Maybe some developers should check this out...
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They have something called "Open SmartWatch Project". Ment for the original Smartwatch, but maybe also fo the SW2...Maybe some developers should check this out...
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As far as I know, that is for the old one.
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The Sony addon SDK has full support for the Sony Smartwatch 2.
http://developer.sonymobile.com/knowledge-base/sony-add-on-sdk/smart-extension-apis/
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The Sony addon SDK has full support for the Sony Smartwatch 2.
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However the SDK can be used only to create smart extensions (apps) for the Sony smartwatches, but has nothing to do with alternative firmware development as the Open Smartwatch Project for the SW1.
izzet3838 said:
Please look close to my post i wouldn't buy a gear myself
As you said too bad battery lofe it doesn't always show the clock and it's ugly but in here (belgium) the leather sm2 costs 200 euros what i think is too less for a watch with low specs like that
So i'm just gonna wait a lil bit gefore i'm gonna buy a smartwatch
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If you just take a look at boll.com you can found the wrist for last than €20,-
the watch plus wrist is around €200,- but it cheaper if you search on the internet.
I just bought it from Conrad, just for €150,- with a metal wrist!
Do you think this processor will make it difficult to Root? As well anyone know the power behind Texas Instrument processors? I'm more acquainted with qualcom,arm, Nvidia, Intel and MediaTek...
Apparently TI stopped making mobile processors a couple of years ago, so that has caught a lot of people by surprise. Or the leak was just wrong...
I'm really hoping it is wrong
What do you find wrong with TI? Despite being old, it has generally been an order of magnitude more open that most of the crap that is released these days...
The 4000-page manuals are still publicly available on TI's website.
That says nothing of the bootloader which is Motorola's decision.
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What do you find wrong with TI? Despite being old, it has generally been an order of magnitude more open that most of the crap that is released these days...
The 4000-page manuals are still publicly available on TI's website.
That says nothing of the bootloader which is Motorola's decision.
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True story never said specifically I had a problem with TI I'm sure moto got a great deal clearing out the left over supply of processors they had because most manufacturers went with whats more powerful... I'm still buying a moto I just hope its open to mod
I'm worried about the features, performance and power efficiency of this chip vs the more modern options available in other watches. It's putting me off insta-buying one though since they're not available for a while in the UK any issues should be apparent by then.
Glass uses a TI chip. Motorola has used TI chips a whole bunch in the past. I'm not worried at all.
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Glass uses a TI chip. Motorola has used TI chips a whole bunch in the past. I'm not worried at all.
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The battery life on glass isnt amazing either, but realistically neither wears nor glass have anything but tiny batteries.
Glass uses OMAP4 though, like the GN.
Who knows why they chose OMAP3, depending on which exact one it dates as far back as the OG Droid (the last moto device with an official goog rom). I don't believe anyone mentioned the exact part number yet? It's not impossible that they made a new revision just for the 360 as OMAP3 is very old otherwise.
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The battery life on glass isnt amazing either, but realistically neither wears nor glass have anything but tiny batteries.
Glass uses OMAP4 though, like the GN.
Who knows why they chose OMAP3, depending on which exact one it dates as far back as the OG Droid (the last moto device with an official goog rom). I don't believe anyone mentioned the exact part number yet? It's not impossible that they made a new revision just for the 360 as OMAP3 is very old otherwise.
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Its also entirely possible they made their own modifications to the OMAP chip. Wear isn't exactly that intense of a thing to run. So why not use an older tried and tested chip and modify the power consumption?
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Its also entirely possible they made their own modifications to the OMAP chip. Wear isn't exactly that intense of a thing to run. So why not use an older tried and tested chip and modify the power consumption?
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I think you all will agree with me when I say that the Moto 360 is the best looking Android Wear in the market at the moment. I was eagerly waiting for it ever since Google I/O 2014, but now that it has finally arrived I have been really put off by the TI processor. I've had terrible experiences with TI processors on previous devices so I'm hoping Moto comes up with a better smart watch, preferably one with a Snapdragon processor or at the very least officially unlock the bootloader for this one. I'm not buying another Moto product with a TI processor and a locked bootloader, leaving us with very limited unofficial development.
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What do you find wrong with TI? Despite being old, it has generally been an order of magnitude more open that most of the crap that is released these days...
The 4000-page manuals are still publicly available on TI's website.
That says nothing of the bootloader which is Motorola's decision.
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The older processors are more power hungry (older technology larger scale) this is why manufacturers do not use them anymore.
The only reason Motorola used the TI processor while everybody else used quad-core processors is to save money building the Moto-360.
Using older single core processor on devices that have battery issues shows contempt to people that buy the devices.
ya and from some comparison reviews there is noticeable lag compared to the other android wear watches
Are there any side by side comparison videos yet?
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ya and from some comparison reviews there is noticeable lag compared to the other android wear watches
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I got my Moto360 yesterday (2 were delivered to a near by bestbuy and I happened to get one of them, yay) and haven't had many issues with battery life. Today I took the watch off the charger at around 8am, 4.5 hours ago, and its at 87% battery right now. I've used it numerous times to read texts, check my heart rate a number of times (I've been having issues with my blood pressure and high heart rate for no reason so I've been keeping an eye on it) and well as just playing with it as its new and I'm having fun with it. The brightness is still set to auto on it also.
I personally haven't noticed any lag at all. it recognizes my voice quickely, and does its voice tasks without delay. I'm wondering if perhaps some of the lag is with specific phone models. I have an LG G3 which is a new and fast phone. Also using the ART runtime which was a nice speed boost to the phone and its battery life. Touch response has been very nice. I'm still scrolling through the list of commands until I learn them all and havent' had an issue.
I too was surprised with it having a TI OMAP processor but my old DroidX had a TI chip and it was a hell of a great phone. I'm sure everyone's experience will be different depending on their phone and how much they use it but so far, I'm very pleased with it.
My only issue is app compatibility. Looks like most apps for wear are designed for square watches and possibly different hardware. Watch faces are plentiful but I want a basic calculator on my watch and I haven't found one that doesn't crash. Also, the remote camera app doesn't work with the LG G3 camera but that is all developer issues. I'm sure they will get worked out.
https://plus.google.com/107797272029781254158/posts/STQoPCSmE5w
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Well that has really annoyed me. I was hoping my concerns wouldn't materialise but now it's looking like I'm going to have to wait for another manufacturer to basically make the same phone with a modern SoC instead of this 3 year old junk.The issues might not be as apparent now but as more features get added to wear, more demanding apps get developed and possibly custom ROM's with additional features this thing is going to get left standing
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/moto-360-review-beautiful-outside-ugly-inside/2/
This article benchmarks a few watches, the 360 actually keeps up almost in CPU but falls behind more on the GPU and battery department.
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ChrisNee1988 said:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/moto-360-review-beautiful-outside-ugly-inside/2/
This article benchmarks a few watches, the 360 actually keeps up almost in CPU but falls behind more on the GPU and battery department.
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The terrible floating point operation performance concerns me but what's most worrying is the GPU as it's terribly antiqued and could be the real limitation.
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The terrible floating point operation performance concerns me but what's most worrying is the GPU as it's terribly antiqued and could be the real limitation.
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Its one of my major concerns as well. However in use, I don't notice any lag but I don't have any of the other watches to compare it to.
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Running the wear internet browser and it's insanely slow, it takes probably 30 seconds to 1 minute to just load a page, although these are graphics rich pages like CNN. I'm assuming this is the poor GPU, or maybe it's just the app is not made for the watch. I'd be curious how this runs on a Gear or LG.
Hello there,
I am considering of buying a ZF2 and I have looked around at probably 15 reviews on this phone [emoji14] I don't care about design and such but the guides were saying that the brightness and the camera are a bit bad.
Is the brightness really bad on the ZF2 ? And how does the camera do ?
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Yup, the brightness are a little bit low at max. But still manage to clearly seen under the sunlight. And the lowest brightness are still too bright it hurt my eyes in dark environments. You may use screen filter app to solve this, and started on .90 fw update, the screen filter already implemented by asus. The camera...well, not too bad at this budget. Still can't compete with other flagship phones. If you are an expert at photography, you may consider buy another phone.
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Yup, the brightness are a little bit low at max. But still manage to clearly seen under the sunlight. And the lowest brightness are still too bright it hurt my eyes in dark environments. You may use screen filter app to solve this, and started on .90 fw update, the screen filter already implemented by asus. The camera...well, not too bad at this budget. Still can't compete with other flagship phones. If you are an expert at photography, you may consider buy another phone.
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ok that's great to know that you can still see under sunlight I'm not an expert with photography just wanted to know how well it took pictures
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The camera is really bad in my opinion. Every photo I take seems to be grainy or just not all that clear. There are much better options out there. The nexus 6 can be had for $299 now. there are also good deals on the note 4 and other devices that are a year old. The brightness is a bit low, but you'll get use to it. It was a great phone for the money when it launched, but there are better options now. It is a good phone, but not great anymore.
I've always been able to use it the whole day. I usually have 10-20% battery left at night when I plug it in.
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The camera is really bad in my opinion. Every photo I take seems to be grainy or just not all that clear. There are much better options out there. The nexus 6 can be had for $299 now. there are also good deals on the note 4 and other devices that are a year old. The brightness is a bit low, but you'll get use to it. It was a great phone for the money when it launched, but there are better options now. It is a good phone, but not great anymore.
I've always been able to use it the whole day. I usually have 10-20% battery left at night when I plug it in.
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Well I wanted to go for the zenfone because of the great specs and such but I'm open to any other 5"-5"5' phones just as long as its around 300€ or so. If anyone else has any other suggestions on what other phone I could buy I'd gladly appreciate it
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For the money its a great phone. I love mine! You get what you pay for.
I agree with Bushcrafter. Mine does everything I want, and at less than half the price of comparable handsets.
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For the money its a great phone. I love mine! You get what you pay for.
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I agree with Bushcrafter. Mine does everything I want, and at less than half the price of comparable handsets.
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what are ye guys experiences with the display and camera ?
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I am more than satisfied with the performance of mine. I watch a lot of videos on mine and I can't complain. It is very clear and the screen brightness is not as bad as I'd heard. Comparable to my M7. The camera takes decent shots in bright and low light. I have nothing but good thingscto say about the performance of this phone.
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I prefer the ZF2 over my Nexus 5. The reports regarding the screen brightness are, while true, exaggerated imho. The camera is worse than the Nexus 5's but I don't care about the camera anyway.
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The nexus 6 can be had for $299 now.
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I noticed OP posted the price in Euros, I assume he's European, so the median price of a Nexus 6 device in Europe right now is more than 450 to 500 euros at some cases, whereas the ZF2 can be found at 50 or 100 euro cheaper than the Nexus6
For the specs it has, I'd say it's a good offer
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I noticed OP posted the price in Euros, I assume he's European, so the median price of a Nexus 6 device in Europe right now is more than 450 to 500 euros at some cases, whereas the ZF2 can be found at 50 or 100 euro cheaper than the Nexus6
For the specs it has, I'd say it's a good offer
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Yeah the Nexus 6 is a bit pricey here. Yeah I'll go for the ZF2, great reviews here and loads of exaggeration of reviews elsewhere.
Caebron said:
I prefer the ZF2 over my Nexus 5. The reports regarding the screen brightness are, while true, exaggerated imho. The camera is worse than the Nexus 5's but I don't care about the camera anyway.
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Ok that's good to know that the screen brightness isn't that bad
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I am more than satisfied with the performance of mine. I watch a lot of videos on mine and I can't complain. It is very clear and the screen brightness is not as bad as I'd heard. Comparable to my M7. The camera takes decent shots in bright and low light. I have nothing but good thingscto say about the performance of this phone.
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Ok great thanks, I hope that the camera will be better than my current moto g (1st Gen) [emoji14]
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Yeah the Nexus 6 is a bit pricey here. Yeah I'll go for the ZF2, gear reviews here and loads of exaggeration of reviews elsewhere.
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true, I've also ordered it and wait it to be delivered since a local eshop had it on a special offer at 339€. Of course, If I could find both Nexus 6 and the ZF2 at the same money, I'd get the first mainly because you can mod it easily and without any repercussions (unlocked bootloader doesn't void the warranty, etc)
But then again, going from my current phone of 512 mb ram and 400 mb internal memory to a rocket like ZF2 doesn't leave me much room for complaints
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true, I've also ordered it and wait it to be delivered since a local eshop had it on a special offer at 339€. Of course, If I could find both Nexus 6 and the ZF2 at the same money, I'd get the first mainly because you can mod it easily and without any repercussions (unlocked bootloader doesn't void the warranty, etc)
But then again, going from my current phone of 512 mb ram and 400 mb internal memory to a rocket like ZF2 doesn't leave me much room for complaints
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although the nexus has a better stock experience it has a bit lower specs so I might as well get the ZF2 for the bit lower price
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although the nexus has a better stock experience it has a bit lower specs so I might as well get the ZF2 for the bit lower price
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got mine 2 hours ago, holy **** it's fast. Rooting was also easy and quick. Seems like it's very good actually
DimitrisGate13 said:
got mine 2 hours ago, holy **** it's fast. Rooting was also easy and quick. Seems like it's very good actually
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that's great to hear good luck with your phone.
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Hello there,
I am considering of buying a ZF2 and I have looked around at probably 15 reviews on this phone [emoji14] I don't care about design and such but the guides were saying that the brightness and the camera are a bit bad.
Is the brightness really bad on the ZF2 ? And how does the camera do ?
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Im a new owner and I regret getting this phone. Battery life is terrible, camera is mediocre, many weird bugs, screen brightness is a joke, reminds me of my 2011 HTC. Oh and still no Android 5.1 and its probably never coming to this phone apparently and probably same story for Android marshmallow.
Avoid this phone at all cost. You can get a better phone for less IMO. Mine is going on Craig's list if the next big patch doesn't fix the battery life.
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Im a new owner and I regret getting this phone. Battery life is terrible, camera is mediocre, many weird bugs, screen brightness is a joke, reminds me of my 2011 HTC. Oh and still no Android 5.1 and its probably never coming to this phone apparently and probably same story for Android marshmallow.
Avoid this phone at all cost. You can get a better phone for less IMO. Mine is going on Craig's list if the next big patch doesn't fix the battery life.
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I don't care about android version [emoji14] can easily root it anyway and flash ROM. ROMS can easily fix battery life issue
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I don't care about android version [emoji14] can easily root it anyway and flash ROM. ROMS can easily fix battery life issue
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nope, none of the ROM currently available can give this phone a good battery life.
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nope, none of the ROM currently available can give this phone a good battery life.
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It has better battery life than lg g4 and galaxy s6(had both), so what's your point? If you personally have a bad experience with your unit, that doesn't make this a phone to "avoid at all cost".
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Anyone think we will get this for our Moto 360's? I hope so.
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Already being discussed here.
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Already being discussed here.
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No, its been deleted.
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I dont think we are http://www.phonedog.com/2016/06/11/moto-360-1st-gen-wont-get-android-wear-20-update
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Is any dev gonna try to port it?
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Is any dev gonna try to port it?
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Gosh, I hope so. I seriously doubt Android Wear 2 is simply too strenuous on the processors to not be ported. I understand the TI processor in it is rather proprietary and no other Wear devices use it, but I can't believe Wear 2 would warrant new hardware.
I don't think I'll be able to buy another moto product again. I just don't trust them anymore to do things right. I own a nexus 6 and that has a screen flicker when charging, red tint on low brightness, and a speaker that crackles on low battery. I'm on my second moto 360 due to a cracked back (seriously glass back? Are you kidding me?) and the one I have now has a cracked back too after a few months. The first one was due to my wrist movements cracking it, and the second due to the metal band hitting the glass back. I hate apple products just because they are overpriced, have terrible batteries, and the screen is designed to break when dropped. HOWEVER, Apple is #1 at supporting their products until the very end with software updates and they never have an issue that isn't caused by user error (even tho the media says the bend on iphones is an issue, that only happens to the stupid people who throw their phones and sit their fat rear end on them constantly).
Hopefully one of you awesome developers out there ports it over for us. Otherwise I think I may be done with smart watches for a while. The only good looking one is the huawei watch but its too expensive and doesn't have 4g. The lg watch urbane has an LTE model... But it is ugly.
Oh android makers and their obcession with shooting themselves in the foot...
nascar48 said:
I don't think I'll be able to buy another moto product again. I just don't trust them anymore to do things right. I own a nexus 6 and that has a screen flicker when charging, red tint on low brightness, and a speaker that crackles on low battery. I'm on my second moto 360 due to a cracked back (seriously glass back? Are you kidding me?) and the one I have now has a cracked back too after a few months. The first one was due to my wrist movements cracking it, and the second due to the metal band hitting the glass back. I hate apple products just because they are overpriced, have terrible batteries, and the screen is designed to break when dropped. HOWEVER, Apple is #1 at supporting their products until the very end with software updates and they never have an issue that isn't caused by user error (even tho the media says the bend on iphones is an issue, that only happens to the stupid people who throw their phones and sit their fat rear end on them constantly).
Hopefully one of you awesome developers out there ports it over for us. Otherwise I think I may be done with smart watches for a while. The only good looking one is the huawei watch but its too expensive and doesn't have 4g. The lg watch urbane has an LTE model... But it is ugly.
Oh android makers and their obcession with shooting themselves in the foot...
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Moto support comes 2nd place in the worst support after Apple, now that lenovo owns Motorola. Things just went from bad to worse
"Motorola has confirmed that the original Moto 360 will not be receiving the Android Wear 2.0 update"
http://m.androidcentral.com/original-moto-360-will-not-receive-android-wear-20-update
As mentioned before; hopefully some developer will fix this anyway.
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Moto support comes 2nd place in the worst support after Apple, now that lenovo owns Motorola. Things just went from bad to worse
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I would typically rip on Samsung and their lack of updates, but I really can't because their only android wear watch got the 1.5 update and they don't even support android wear anymore!
So does anyone have any plans to port 2.0 over?
I would be eternally grateful.
That's the support early adopters get from Motorola... none. Us users who had to go through cracked backplates, screen burns, software glitches and patches will not get further official support. Team Moto -10 points.
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So does anyone have any plans to port 2.0 over?
I would be eternally grateful.
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I second that! a ported ROM would be the dream, and the maker will be the king of Moto 360 fans!
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I second that! a ported ROM would be the dream, and the maker will be the king of Moto 360 fans!
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is not that easy.
main problem is that you would need to flash it through the factory cable (I think 2% moto 360 users have one)
second, this watch is based on TI OMAP cpu, and is the only one with this SoC. porting without a similar device is hell. and this porting would make happy 2% moto users. not worth
G watch is more likely going to have a porting, it has standard s400 SoC.
fortunately I never sold my g watch, battery and performance is much better than moto 360.....
go on guys, buy next one or wait for qualcom 2100 chips for wearables
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is not that easy.
main problem is that you would need to flash it through the factory cable (I think 2% moto 360 users have one)
second, this watch is based on TI OMAP cpu, and is the only one with this SoC. porting without a similar device is hell. and this porting would make happy 2% moto users. not worth
G watch is more likely going to have a porting, it has standard s400 SoC.
fortunately I never sold my g watch, battery and performance is much better than moto 360.....
go on guys, buy next one or wait for qualcom 2100 chips for wearables
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The cable is not that big of an issue: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q3a2fdTy_6A
Howeve, what you described makes it sound really difficult. Still, if there's a will there is a way!
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The cable is not that big of an issue: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q3a2fdTy_6A
Howeve, what you described makes it sound really difficult. Still, if there's a will there is a way!
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yeah, ok, I already got myself informed about it, but not anyone can make such connector, and even if he can, is so risky.....
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is not that easy.
second, this watch is based on TI OMAP cpu, and is the only one with this SoC. porting without a similar device is hell. and this porting would make happy 2% moto users. not worth
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Only an issue if Wear 2.0 requires new kernel features. As long as the changes are only in userland, the specific SoC is not that big a deal.
Adding my voice to the choir, happy to contribute towards some smart Moto 360 hacker doing the port when the time comes.
I get that I can continue to use the watch with old firmware, but then I'd have different UI's on my different watches and it would get very confusing. I just want latest Wear on all of them. These ultra-short support cycles go against the grain especially for watches. Big thumbs down to Moto/Google on this one.
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Only an issue if Wear 2.0 requires new kernel features. As long as the changes are only in userland, the specific SoC is not that big a deal.
Adding my voice to the choir, happy to contribute towards some smart Moto 360 hacker doing the port when the time comes.
I get that I can continue to use the watch with old firmware, but then I'd have different UI's on my different watches and it would get very confusing. I just want latest Wear on all of them. These ultra-short support cycles go against the grain especially for watches. Big thumbs down to Moto/Google on this one.
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I wouldn't say it's short, it just hit the 2 years standard support. it's time to drop. maybe we bought it recently and we're disappointed (I bought it 6 months ago. and I felt a 6 month support) but is definitely not short