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VoIP and keeping WiFi connected while standby mode

I have finally decided to give WM6 a go on my Vario II and flashed it with latest 1.40 Olipro bootloader, 1.38 Radio and LVSW WM6 OS (btw, BIG thx for MrVanx for really great tutorials!).
In addition, I have installed VoIP application (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950 ) which I found pretty interesting, however it's also pretty unusable as WLAN connection goes down together with VoIP service while Hermes enters standby mode. I have found solution (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=245773 ) which unfortunately seems to not work with WM6. After applying Default={'0', '1', '2'} values, whole device completely hangs after resuming and the only solution is soft-reset by stylus. I've also set AllowSuspend=0 in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\Parms, but it also does not keep WiFi on. Basically - I cannot effectively keep WiFi and VoIP up, which make whole VoIP application totally useless.
Did anyone manage to resolve this problem?

eva_d said:
I have finally decided to give WM6 a go on my Vario II and flashed it with latest 1.40 Olipro bootloader, 1.38 Radio and LVSW WM6 OS (btw, BIG thx for MrVanx for really great tutorials!).
In addition, I have installed VoIP application (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950 ) which I found pretty interesting, however it's also pretty unusable as WLAN connection goes down together with VoIP service while Hermes enters standby mode. I have found solution (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=245773 ) which unfortunately seems to not work with WM6. After applying Default={'0', '1', '2'} values, whole device completely hangs after resuming and the only solution is soft-reset by stylus. I've also set AllowSuspend=0 in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\Parms, but it also does not keep WiFi on. Basically - I cannot effectively keep WiFi and VoIP up, which make whole VoIP application totally useless.
Did anyone manage to resolve this problem?
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I wish, I tried the same things you did with the same failures

eva_d said:
I cannot effectively keep WiFi and VoIP up, which make whole VoIP application totally useless.
Did anyone manage to resolve this problem?
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You'll find that if you kept WiFi on all the time, your battery will last about an hour (or less).. so... it's by design that WiFi shuts off when the phone drops into sleep mode.

I thought that WIFI used less energy output then Bluetooth and I've used a bluetooth headset on a phone call that lasted well over 3 hours and still had plenty of battery to last the rest of the day. Aside from 90% of the day I could easily keep the phone on charge (It's used on charge at home, work and in the car)

jmat said:
You'll find that if you kept WiFi on all the time, your battery will last about an hour (or less).. so... it's by design that WiFi shuts off when the phone drops into sleep mode.
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Yes, I am aware of that, as in every single topic I've found regarding this problem, there are zillions of posts saying about poor battery, but rarely anyone is coming up with actual solution.
Anyway, battery life is obviously a big downside, however without keeping WiFi on, there is absolutely no point of having VoIP application at all. I would be pleased to have fully working VoIP in my Hermes, as my first tests showed it works quite fine and could be excellent cost-saver international phone calls.
BTW, I'm curious how VoIP app works in official release of WM6 (not xda-cooked ROMs) - I cannot believe that VoIP configuration must be done by preparing XML/CAB file with settings, and WiFi goes down together with VoIP, making it useless. :-o

What about using a Screen Off utility like the ones used to keep Windows Media Player Working while turing the Screen Off. Then you would also need to go to the Battery Applet and unCheck the StandBy option.
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eva_d said:
Yes, I am aware of that, as in every single topic I've found regarding this problem, there are zillions of posts saying about poor battery, but rarely anyone is coming up with actual solution.
Anyway, battery life is obviously a big downside, however without keeping WiFi on, there is absolutely no point of having VoIP application at all. I would be pleased to have fully working VoIP in my Hermes, as my first tests showed it works quite fine and could be excellent cost-saver international phone calls.
BTW, I'm curious how VoIP app works in official release of WM6 (not xda-cooked ROMs) - I cannot believe that VoIP configuration must be done by preparing XML/CAB file with settings, and WiFi goes down together with VoIP, making it useless. :-o
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My guess is the official release will be something lame - only enablable by phone companies - i.e. Cingular will start offering Cingular VOIP where for $5/month more you can make unlimited calls within the U.S. (or insert your local country) on Cingular voip without using your minutes or something like that. The VOIP settings will be pre-installed by the carrier and you will be "unable" to change them yourself. I really have no idea if this is actually the way it will work but it tends to be the way that potentially cool things like this pan out :S

eva_d said:
without keeping WiFi on, there is absolutely no point of having VoIP application at all.
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VOIP is good on 3g as well(we currently use 64KB for a video calls! voice only will be much less, data costs will be much lower then minutes while calling long distance for example).
use it like this:
1. initiate the call yourself(turn on the WIFI)
2. use your DATA plan for long distance calls(out of country)

elivne said:
VOIP is good on 3g as well(we currently use 64KB for a video calls! voice only will be much less, data costs will be much lower then minutes while calling long distance for example).
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That's right, however any VoIP usage is strictly forbidden in my data plan (T-Mobile UK web'n'walk £7.50 option), and I don't want to risk any fines or anything for misuse of the service...

cyberdrakula said:
What about using a Screen Off utility like the ones used to keep Windows Media Player Working while turing the Screen Off. Then you would also need to go to the Battery Applet and unCheck the StandBy option.
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Why dont you do that Eva_d ?
Also, like mentioned before, wifi will murder your battery, but if you want to use VoIP for home use only, or office desk, then you can simply have a an extra long USB cable to constantly charge the phone. In the "backlight" settings, you can chose to have the phone ALWAYS-ON when plugged into a charger.
That way, you'll have a "home phone". All you'll have to do is unplug the charger if you wanna talk on the phone and walk around the place wireless

alkizmo said:
Why dont you do that Eva_d ?
Also, like mentioned before, wifi will murder your battery, but if you want to use VoIP for home use only, or office desk, then you can simply have a an extra long USB cable to constantly charge the phone. In the "backlight" settings, you can chose to have the phone ALWAYS-ON when plugged into a charger.
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Well, I found different solution. Using PocketZenPhone I have created 'VoIP' profile, which does not switch device off at all. So, when I plan to make or receive call through VoIP, I just switch that profile on, then WiFi and that's it. Maybe not very convenient, but works fine for me.

eva_d said:
Well, I found different solution. Using PocketZenPhone I have created 'VoIP' profile, which does not switch device off at all. So, when I plan to make or receive call through VoIP, I just switch that profile on, then WiFi and that's it. Maybe not very convenient, but works fine for me.
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Thats a good idea. Just did the same with mine.

eva_d said:
Well, I found different solution. Using PocketZenPhone I have created 'VoIP' profile, which does not switch device off at all. So, when I plan to make or receive call through VoIP, I just switch that profile on, then WiFi and that's it. Maybe not very convenient, but works fine for me.
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Just purely out of curiosity, how does your battery life do leaving WIFI constantly on - can you make it through the day? If so what do you have left?

chymmylt said:
Just purely out of curiosity, how does your battery life do leaving WIFI constantly on - can you make it through the day? If so what do you have left?
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I neved used WiFi for whole day. I only switch it on when I need to call through VoIP. For everyday internet use I have T-Mobile's WnW package.
However, I must say - WiFi drains battery REALLY fast...

1.93 ROM cant find any network

I recently updated my ROM to 1.93 with Radio .05 and now my phone is not finding any service, it just has the ! mark on top. I went into connection settings and used both manual and auto settings and it cant find my t mobile network. I am using T mobile in the US and was wondering if any of you had any suggestions. Thanks for your help

Kutthoat5150 said:
I recently updated my ROM to 1.93 with Radio .05 and now my phone is not finding any service, it just has the ! mark on top. I went into connection settings and used both manual and auto settings and it cant find my t mobile network. I am using T mobile in the US and was wondering if any of you had any suggestions. Thanks for your help
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hi,
did u find other providers or is the list completely empty ?

try the following 3 points of success
1)just try whether you can make a emergency call
2)hold your diamond to a speaker in your near and listen whether there is a strange noise(turn on the speaker loud)
3) if you had another pda try the sim in the device
post the results....

TomDaDj said:
try the following 3 points of success
1)just try whether you can make a emergency call
2)hold your diamond to a speaker in your near and listen whether there is a strange noise(turn on the speaker loud)
3) if you had another pda try the sim in the device
post the results....
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thanks for the reply bro
in my area, t mobile and AT&T show up as networks but my phone will just not connect to them, its just says "searching" and stays that way
1) is 911 the only emergency call you can make cuz i really dont wanna get in trouble with the law you know haha
2) i do hear a strange noise when i turn the volume up
3) i put my sim in my old n95 and it works just fine
its like my diamond is not even detecting my SIM card, i put my friends AT&T SIM in it and it doesnt detect that either

Kutthoat5150 said:
thanks for the reply bro
in my area, t mobile and AT&T show up as networks but my phone will just not connect to them, its just says "searching" and stays that way
1) is 911 the only emergency call you can make cuz i really dont wanna get in trouble with the law you know haha
2) i do hear a strange noise when i turn the volume up
3) i put my sim in my old n95 and it works just fine
its like my diamond is not even detecting my SIM card, i put my friends AT&T SIM in it and it doesnt detect that either
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just read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=434950
i've also got such a strange problem but now all works fine...
and btw at this crazy time i put my sim in a old nokia 3310 and he found
a network immediately then i put it back in 3 different pda's (all of them are working up to 100 percent) and all 3 devices found NO network...
at this time iam also going really crazy and desperate
i dont know the reason for my success, i just let the simcard over the night in a other pda and on the next morning magicaly all works fine...
can u choose between gsm and wcdma?

just do this
select the automatic provider pickup and the wait over 10 minutes...
when he found a network after a long waiting time try connect to gprs.
if gsm will work and you can call someone and gprs will not works simultaniously u know you have the same fun like me

TomDaDj said:
just read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=434950
i've also got such a strange problem but now all works fine...
and btw at this crazy time i put my sim in a old nokia 3310 and he found
a network immediately then i put it back in 3 different pda's (all of them are working up to 100 percent) and all 3 devices found NO network...
at this time iam also going really crazy and desperate
i dont know the reason for my success, i just let the simcard over the night in a other pda and on the next morning magicaly all works fine...
can u choose between gsm and wcdma?
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Okay ill take a look at that, and yes I can choose between Auto, GSM, and WCDMA. I usually leave it on auto, but even when I switch to GSM it does not pick anything up.

TomDaDj said:
just do this
select the automatic provider pickup and the wait over 10 minutes...
when he found a network after a long waiting time try connect to gprs.
if gsm will work and you can call someone and gprs will not works simultaniously u know you have the same fun like me
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holy potatoes i dont know what i just did but it worked!!! i put the SIM in my old N95 and it found the t mobile network. i sent some messages, made some phones calls, then put the SIM back in my diamond and it found the network!! wow thanks a bunch for your help bro, i cant thank you enough

okay scratch that it worked for a little bit, until I started installing some apps and had to restart my phone, now it cant find a network again when it booted back up. Is it the apps that im installing that might be causing this?

no man i dont think so...
i think that was a mistake by the sim or by tmobile self (i think if they have any problems, they didnt say anything to their costumers )
if you have the possibility to go a little bit away from your home, for example into downtown then do this and test if u get there a signal.
i live in vienna - austria. vienna has 23 districts - when i had this terrible problem - at least in 7 disctricts i became immediately a signal and in my own district i became to no time a gsm signal (or more accurately described - i became a gsm sigal after 5-10 minutes waiting time (every time i turn off and turn on the phone, always i had to wait about 5-10 minutes) then i could make calls but no internet connection was possible. but in the other 7 disctricts where ive been, all works fine
crazy or not crazy

TomDaDj said:
no man i dont think so...
i think that was a mistake by the sim or by tmobile self (i think if they have any problems, they didnt say anything to their costumers )
if you have the possibility to go a little bit away from your home, for example into downtown then do this and test if u get there a signal.
i live in vienna - austria. vienna has 23 districts - when i had this terrible problem - at least in 7 disctricts i became immediately a signal and in my own district i became to no time a gsm signal (or more accurately described - i became a gsm sigal after 5-10 minutes waiting time (every time i turn off and turn on the phone, always i had to wait about 5-10 minutes) then i could make calls but no internet connection was possible. but in the other 7 disctricts where ive been, all works fine
crazy or not crazy
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thanks for the help man your awesome, i really appreciate it. but i think ive finally found the issue, when i restarted the phone it couldnt locate any network. but then i started to charge it and boom!! it found it again! so does the battery need to be near full for it to locate a signal? haha wow, craziest phone ive ever had!

Kutthoat5150 said:
thanks for the help man your awesome, i really appreciate it. but i think ive finally found the issue, when i restarted the phone it couldnt locate any network. but then i started to charge it and boom!! it found it again! so does the battery need to be near full for it to locate a signal? haha wow, craziest phone ive ever had!
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thx - i do what i can
but i dont think that the problem is gone - you will see - it wont work long. i signal must be there - it should does make no matter whether the battery is - not load - half load or full loaded. it must always work! at 1% of battery it works on my device - it is impossible that that is the problem of you. go to the next tmobile store and let change your sim card - or make it like me - just wait 4 days - hope tmobile have fixed their problems - and be happy if it works.
otherwise it was a hardware issue and you have to send it back to tmobile for repair. but if you do this you must restore the stock software... otherwise you lose your guaranty!!

TomDaDj said:
thx - i do what i can
but i dont think that the problem is gone - you will see - it wont work long. i signal must be there - it should does make no matter whether the battery is - not load - half load or full loaded. it must always work! at 1% of battery it works on my device - it is impossible that that is the problem of you. go to the next tmobile store and let change your sim card - or make it like me - just wait 4 days - hope tmobile have fixed their problems - and be happy if it works.
otherwise it was a hardware issue and you have to send it back to tmobile for repair. but if you do this you must restore the stock software... otherwise you lose your guaranty!!
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oh i forgot to say in the first post that my diamond is unlocked, im just using t mobile as my carrier on it but my phone is not locked to any network. so im not sure if its t mobiles fault but just my phone. My SIM card worked fine right away when i put it in my N95 8GB, but my diamond did not pick it up right away when i put it in. I had to plug in my charger first then a few seconds later it found a signal. Not sure why it did that, maybe just needed a little boost to grab that signal or something. Could it be the ROM or Radio I am using?

Kutthoat5150 said:
oh i forgot to say in the first post that my diamond is unlocked, im just using t mobile as my carrier on it but my phone is not locked to any network. so im not sure if its t mobiles fault but just my phone. My SIM card worked fine right away when i put it in my N95 8GB, but my diamond did not pick it up right away when i put it in. I had to plug in my charger first then a few seconds later it found a signal. Not sure why it did that, maybe just needed a little boost to grab that signal or something. Could it be the ROM or Radio I am using?
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ok, then send it back to htc, or bring it to the store back where you bought it.
but do this only if you really see no more chance to fix it...
remember what i write, i try my sim in a nokia 3310 and it works, a few seconds later in diamond and 2 other pda's i got no network - back in nokia and it works i dont know how this could be possible!!!
i also try 5 different roms and all radios that exists too - and with all was the same - just nothing.
its your choice my friend - be patient and hope for better times or send it back to repair. but then also upload the original htc rom, radio and spl
i go now sleep - at vienna its 23 o'clock iam verrrrrrry tired from a hard working day...
but post further results, i read it tomorrow...

TomDaDj said:
ok, then send it back to htc, or bring it to the store back where you bought it.
but do this only if you really see no more chance to fix it...
remember what i write, i try my sim in a nokia 3310 and it works, a few seconds later in diamond and 2 other pda's i got no network - back in nokia and it works i dont know how this could be possible!!!
i also try 5 different roms and all radios that exists too - and with all was the same - just nothing.
its your choice my friend - be patient and hope for better times or send it back to repair. but then also upload the original htc rom, radio and spl
i go now sleep - at vienna its 23 o'clock iam verrrrrrry tired from a hard working day...
but post further results, i read it tomorrow...
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thanks so much for your help bro, ya every time i unplug it from my charger it loses its signal, so i have to keep it charged just to talk on it or text. so i think i am going to have to send it back to htc for repair as i dont really know what is going on with it. thanks again man, really appreciate the help

same here
i have a very similar problem.
i can only make and receive calls on the wcdma network, but not on gsm.
in both, it says that i have reception, but when i try to make a call it just goes silent and after a while the call is ended.
if i dial *102# which is the number to access your mobile credit status, on wcdma it opens a little bubble coming from the network icon and says the correct values, on gsm it simply waits and says connection interrupted.
i have tried several roms and radios, and the problem persists...
you can view my current setup in my signature.
any ideas, what could be the problem? is it the hardware? does this have to do something with hungary?
the sim works just fine, since 1997 (i have no idea how can 3g work on this little baby, but it does) =D
any help appreciated! tx

sampi604 said:
i have a very similar problem.
i can only make and receive calls on the wcdma network, but not on gsm.
in both, it says that i have reception, but when i try to make a call it just goes silent and after a while the call is ended.
if i dial *102# which is the number to access your mobile credit status, on wcdma it opens a little bubble coming from the network icon and says the correct values, on gsm it simply waits and says connection interrupted.
i have tried several roms and radios, and the problem persists...
you can view my current setup in my signature.
any ideas, what could be the problem? is it the hardware? does this have to do something with hungary?
the sim works just fine, since 1997 (i have no idea how can 3g work on this little baby, but it does) =D
any help appreciated! tx
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hi,
i was really wondering why this strange problem happens now on more and more users... thats really interessting....
did you try the sim in a other phone?
if it there also not work -> go to a store from your provider and told them that u have a old sim card which not works with your current phone.
normaly they should give you immediately a free new sim card.
and please tell me whether you have tmobile as your provider.
just for info because you write, that u can use 3g.... when i recieved my diamond i also had an old sim card which doesnt support UMTS or 3G but HSDPA was working, that cause because the sim is not responsible for this communication mode - only your phone!

the problem the guy has in this thread is almost exactly what i am experiencing right now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409733&highlight=network+problem
except mine used to just keep restarting an wouldnt boot up so i just let it do that for about 10 min and it eventually loaded up. Is there a specific number I can dial that will reset my SIM card settings or something? My phone has been like this for a couple days now and it sucks not being able to call or text anybody.
I thought I solved this problem when I plugged in my charger to my phone, then it started finding the EDGE network but my signal was still being dropped when I made calls, only some text would go through and thats it. Please guys, somebody save me from this misery!

Kutthoat5150 said:
the problem the guy has in this thread is almost exactly what i am experiencing right now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409733&highlight=network+problem
except mine used to just keep restarting an wouldnt boot up so i just let it do that for about 10 min and it eventually loaded up. Is there a specific number I can dial that will reset my SIM card settings or something? My phone has been like this for a couple days now and it sucks not being able to call or text anybody.
I thought I solved this problem when I plugged in my charger to my phone, then it started finding the EDGE network but my signal was still being dropped when I made calls, only some text would go through and thats it. Please guys, somebody save me from this misery!
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to 100% the same what i've gotten and to 99% the same problem which you have.
BUT its very interessting, all guys what had this problem use t-mobile as the provider.... very strange.....
BTW because in the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409733&highlight=network+problem
the guy postet
Intradvocate said:
Okay, nope not fixed... Flashed it with 1.37, connected to the network for a few seconds, dialed somebody and no ring or anything, but when i called my phone i could hear my own voice. So I guess i have to send it in for repair. Damn.
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at this bad time i also restore to stock rom 1.37 and he found in 1 second a signal BUT then it was also impossible to make an internet connection...

ya i was starting to think it was tmobiles problem until I put my friends AT&T SIM in and it was doing the same thing. It would just say "searching" and thats it, and well I just charged up my phone to almost full battery and it located a signal again. But it still drops calls almost immediately and I can only send text. Does the 1.93 ROM do anything to the Radio or antenna because it has been like this even when I flash back to earlier ROMS and radios. I am almost sure that flashing or changing radios will not solve the problem because I have done that countless times already.

[Q] Few problems with my Desire, any ideas?

I'm using unbranded Desire with no mods/rooting, udgraded to the latest official Android 2.2 version.
Here are my problems:
1. People say that they couldn't reach me (number unavailable) while I was on the network all the time. Doesn't happen very often (or I just don't know that) but is really annoying when it does.
2. I am connected to my home WiFi but browser/other programs say that network connection is not available. I have to turn wifi off and on again for it to work. Can it have something to do with the "energy management" widget?
3. My phone is calling people. I get a callback from people saying I called them but they couldn't hear anything (phone was in my pocket). I was wondering if it wasn't the case when I am finishing a call and pressing the red button to end the call but someone on the other side hung up earlier and when I press, the "call" function is activated. However I remember 1 or 2 times when it was definetely not the case.
4. I desperately need a PDF reader that allows to continue reading a book in the place where I finished last time. At the moment I need to be very careful not to close the pdf reader app. When I do I need to look for the page, really annoying. This should be a free app (Google doesn't want my money, they don't allow people from my country into paid appstore )

Hello, 1&2 are really weird problems, they might be connected with the radio, can you check your radio version in settings\about\software\baseband. Some people had problems with the official OTA. Just to be sure - is your wifi alright on other devices and are you sure you have sufficient network coverage. If you download torrents with a crappy router you are likely to get problems. If you're in a low signal area it is possible to lose signal while your device is in your pocket e.g. closer to the ground, when you pick it up you see the bars, when it's in the pocket the network dies. One thing you can easily do is a factory reset , this way we'll find out if any software is causing the problem
3 - you might be turning your device on and then pressing the screen and then calling people, it is not unheard of . Ask them if they hear any noise like cars, people passing by and other stuff, if they do then that's the case
4 - search the market, there are a few, you'll need to try them to see which works best for you

freakzone said:
Hello, 1&2 are really weird problems, they might be connected with the radio, can you check your radio version in settings\about\software\baseband.
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32.43.00.32U_5.09.00.20 - does it tell you anything?
freakzone said:
Some people had problems with the official OTA. Just to be sure - is your wifi alright
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I'm quite sure it is, I have the maximum signal strength on the display of the phone.
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this way we'll find out if any software is causing the problem
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I think I'll do it when I have a spare weekend
freakzone said:
4 - search the market, there are a few, you'll need to try them to see which works best for you
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quite a few of them and NONE supporting what I need :-/

It might be worth to pop in the store, the unit might be defective, this radio is alright for froyo

allerune said:
1. People say that they couldn't reach me (number unavailable) while I was on the network all the time. Doesn't happen very often (or I just don't know that) but is really annoying when it does.
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If you only have a 2G connection, and are actively using data, all incoming calls will get diverted to voicemail because 2G only supports voice or data - not both at the same time. This is not an issue if you are in 3G coverage, when you can have simultaneous voice and data.
Note that this is a network side issue - 2G networks can be configured to prioritize voice over data, so that if a call comes through data is suspended, but as far as I'm aware most networks (in the UK at least) do not support this.
Regards,
Dave

freakzone said:
It might be worth to pop in the store, the unit might be defective, this radio is alright for froyo
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I guess there is no point going to the store with a problem that cannot be reproduced :-/
Anyway I don't think it's something physical, I suppose software reset will fix everything.
I had that with Nokias, there was a main board problem (every now and then it said "invalid sim card"). Every time I sent it back to the manufacturer, it came back saying "software replaced, tested, everything ok".
Thanks for help anyway ;-)

foxmeister said:
If you only have a 2G connection, and are actively using data, all incoming calls will get diverted to voicemail because 2G only supports voice or data - not both at the same time. This is not an issue if you are in 3G coverage, when you can have simultaneous voice and data.
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Thanks Dave, actually my phone is set to automatically choose network type and I am using a widget to turn off mobile data since I have WiFi at home and only turn it on when I'm outdoors.
I heard that some phones cannot decide whether they should log into the 3G or 2G and that may be the issue. I have changed the settings to use only 3G, we'll see how it works.
BTW: Dave, is it London Ealing? I used to work in Ealing O'Neill's pub back in my student days :-D

Integrated messenger and Sockets in WP7

Hi everyone,
I have recently updated to 7720, but i've been using 7712 for a while
and i have noticed something in the integrated messenger,
which it doesn't keep u online, and what i mean by that you literally go OFFLINE
which makes me wonder, where is the push notifications in that ?
i want to put my phone locked in my pocket and keep receiving IMs
scenarios i have tried : Tested on wifi and 3g
Assuming that i have just booted my phone then i did
* Messaging >> Connecting >> Connected >> Check who is online
Then :
1-lock the phone, and put it a side after 5 min u check it again and it is connecting which means u were off
--OR
2-press the menu button( which puts messaging in back ground) go to any other APP (IE9 for example) then u go back to messaging either by using menu key or holding the back button, and again u see connecting
so basically if u lock the phone or not, when u put the messaging in the background it eventually disconnects you,
why ? battery saving i think
and yes, in both scenarios i had the Live messenger also running on my PC with different email and i saw my main email going OFF after a while and also stops getting the push notification(messages)
i have done some searching regarding this, and what i found is, when you put the program in background even in mango you cannot leave ur connection sockets open,even in first party app ? (integrated messenger in this case)
for 3rd party apps,what u can do is creating an agent which can run every 30 min for 20 sec, but isnt that bad ? getting an INSTANT message after 30 min ?
PS : If you stay on messaging without locking the screen nor putting it in the background, you stay connected
Please do post you opinion
Regards,

Put my phone aside for an half hour and still connected (verified by WLM showing me signed into two places and ALSO on phone - no "connecting" on mine, if I open messaging "Signed in (available)" appears on top). So it must be you, your carrier, or anything else, no problems on mine

Mine also always ONLINE on 3G, not on WIFI.

My FB chat stays online until i go offline, not sure what your doing thats making you go offline

It could be that the "phone" is disconnected but the live server isn't and if you get a im then it will push to the phone
way should the phone stay connected if it is on lock ?
you still get your push notifications.

Well i have tried and i have done so many experiments,
Some of u have pointed that my network carrier has something to do with it
but i highly doubt it, becoz i also have an iphone on same network, its fine :\
@ceesheim : i have tried that, i receive messages when i reconnect
Edit : Carrier "Etisalat" Dubai , Samsung Omnia 7

It works fine for me.
I get Facebook Chat, Facebook Notifications and WLM Notifications when the phone is locked.
Doesn't matter if I'm on Wifi or EDGE/3G.

Works fine on mine too.. Get notifications similar to txt notification..
Sent from my LG Optimus 7

I don't see anything running under background tasks. Why is that so?

Bcoz those is for 3rd party apps, and integrated messenger is.. Well integrated. Part of d system.
Sent from my LG Optimus 7

i dont see any battery life improvements in mango. why?

Isn't that good?
Sent from my LG Optimus 7

mine is doing the same thing but bear in mind lately my carrier is having 3g, until its stable i can only assume its doing the same thing loging on and off.

Confirmed, that the problem is in the service provider as i tried a different sim of another provider it worked fine,
i've been calling the company regarding this problem since two week and they are trying to convince me that there is no problem from their side its only from my phone.
seriously how crapy is that...

abukaff said:
Confirmed, that the problem is in the service provider as i tried a different sim of another provider it worked fine,
i've been calling the company regarding this problem since two week and they are trying to convince me that there is no problem from their side its only from my phone.
seriously how crapy is that...
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Maybe your network doesn't allow constant connection to 3G and disconnects you when idle, to stop too many connections or something.

nope, no issues here get Facebook messages in the same manner as SMS.

ceesheim said:
It could be that the "phone" is disconnected but the live server isn't and if you get a im then it will push to the phone
way should the phone stay connected if it is on lock ?
you still get your push notifications.
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the messenger works with Microsoft direct push technology.

brummiesteven said:
Maybe your network doesn't allow constant connection to 3G and disconnects you when idle, to stop too many connections or something.
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yes it may be the cell towers.depending on the cell tower operation, some may disconnect yr data when, Idle to save on bandwidth. Too many people connected to 3g puts immense stress to the tower.

abukaff said:
Confirmed, that the problem is in the service provider as i tried a different sim of another provider it worked fine,
i've been calling the company regarding this problem since two week and they are trying to convince me that there is no problem from their side its only from my phone.
seriously how crapy is that...
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I myself from Dubai and on Etisalat carrier. I experienced a similar issue, i've since then turned off 3G and went completely on EDGE....
Also, i turned off WIFI.....etisalat 3G service is kind of flaky in many areas however the Edge seems to run fine.....
from windows phone OS it does drops wifi on screenlock....so messenger will signout....however if you are on DATA it shud keep the connection alive...but its not a perfect world n u mite signout ...
the other service provider DU i dont like them...voice quality sux...data service slow.
Lastly, i wonder how skype in future will work since....on 3G it'll eat up data so cant make calls....but on wifi if at screen lock it drops connection then skype friends will have hard time calling me.......so wats the solution?!?

Sorry Ive got a really noob question.
But where the heck is WLM? I go into messenger and I have my facebook chat, but I have no freaking idea where WLM is for messenging? I go to a WLM contact and it just gives me an option to send email.
I have the HD2 and 7720 RTM from XBMod and Yukis update rom method.

[Q] PLEASE HELP! Phone loses service when it is locked!

I am having problems with a Samsung Note 2 that I found. I thought it was my lucky day, but when I put my SIM card into the phone, the phone works and has service and I can receive and make calls. However, for some reason, when I lock the phone, the service just dies out and I have to unlock the phone and wait a few seconds to a few minutes before I get service back and can use the phone again. Please let me know if anyone has experienced these kinds of problems before and/or have any solutions that might work.
P.S. I'm not much of a phone techie but I spent a whole day rooting the phone, adding CWM, and adding the Jedimaster-X ROM on the phone, hoping that this would fix the problem but it did not. Any advice or help is wanted! Thank you in advance!

NiiSanShi said:
I am having problems with a Samsung Note 2 that I found. I thought it was my lucky day, but when I put my SIM card into the phone, the phone works and has service and I can receive and make calls. However, for some reason, when I lock the phone, the service just dies out and I have to unlock the phone and wait a few seconds to a few minutes before I get service back and can use the phone again. Please let me know if anyone has experienced these kinds of problems before and/or have any solutions that might work.
P.S. I'm not much of a phone techie but I spent a whole day rooting the phone, adding CWM, and adding the Jedimaster-X ROM on the phone, hoping that this would fix the problem but it did not. Any advice or help is wanted! Thank you in advance!
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would have to know if you lose the connection to wifi or data if so in settings / wifi / advanced / wifi keep forever.

rimgoru said:
would have to know if you lose the connection to wifi or data if so in settings / wifi / advanced / wifi keep forever.
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I haven't tried it with wifi. I just know that the service bar goes from having 4 bars to a crossed out O right after I lock my screen. I can see the crossed out O when I re-light the screen by pressing the power or home buttons. I have tried various SIM cards and still no change. I also tried changing the ROM, no change.