Here's a list of DACs reportedly working with the OPO:
The Audioquest Dragonfly works with USB Audio Recorder/Player Pro (as long as Tweak 1 is installed, according to chazman1117)
The FiiO E07k, according to this OnePlus One Forums member.
The Fiio E10 actually works with "an OTG cable and no external power," as reported by benoitb and confirmed by me! The E10 doesn't require UAPP/UARP to work; it receives signal from every audio player I've used, and EQ utilities also have a direct effect.
But since I've read that using an unpowered USB DAC with an unpowering source can damage said source, I don't think I'll be making a habit of using an E10 with my OPO -- especially in light of this week's exploding battery fiasco.
The FiiO E17 works well with the CyanHacker ROM and possibly stock CM as well (according to sandels' findings)
The FiiO E18 (confirmations appear here and here, though it's a tad unclear whether the latter poster's talking about an OPO or a "graveyarded" Nexus 5)
The FiiO E7 is working with the OPO, according to Head-fi's Cattlethief.
The Apex Glacier DAC, Poimandres of Head-fi assures us, not only works quite well with the CM's 38r 24/192-ready update but "streams USB audio from Neutron divinely." (Apex wants you to know that the Glacier uses a "bipolar power supply" -- best to listen to demanding headphones when it's not in the manic phase, apparently!)
The HiFiMeDIY TinyDAC works with KitKat but not Android L, reportedly; I know from personal experience that it works with an OPO running CM11 stock.
The HRT Music Streamer II is working with the OPO, according to Head-fi's Cattlethief.
The iFi Nano iDSD is reportedly working with the OPO according to this post by Head-fi member cattlethief.
The NuForce uDAC-2 is reportedly working with the OPO according to this post on Head-Fi (to which DanBa was kind enough to drop in and link).
The Rega DAC works with the OPO without any issues according to mapin0518, who used it with Google Play Music and this Micro USB to USB OTG Adapter.
The Sony PHA-1, according to this Head-fi member.
The Stoner Acoustics UD120 DAC is working with the OPO, according to Head-fi's Cattlethief -- though only with UAPP.
The Vamp Verza works with stock music players as well as UAPP/UARP according to chazmann1117's findings. Update: Chazmann now reports that, "when using the settings required by the DAC for an android phone," there is "barely audible" noise. The noise goes away if you switch to "apple mode" on the Verza, but that makes the battery drain far more quickly.
The YuLong U100 works a treat with the OPO, according to mrruin.
(I recall reading that the JDS Labs C5D also works with the OPO, but I'm still looking for concrete verification.)
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History
Most people who are interested in using external DACs with Android phones have been following DanBa's Android DAC thread on Head-fi for the past few years.
DanBa is focused on DAC compatibility with mainstream devices by Samsung and Nexus because the former has been the most popular maker of Android phones and the latter is Google's intersection with chosen hardware companies. Samsung and Nexus devices, DanBa reasons, will affect Google's implementation of USB audio most directly and so are most deserving of his time.
That's why it's unlikely he'll create a list of DACs that work with the OnePlus One.
It's also why I thought we might create one ourselves.
I have a Fiio E17 and it's working. I've had a couple issues with the apps crashing but I've only just started testing so I'll update when I know more. Plays both MP3 and FLAC fine.
I'm running CyanHacker ROM.
OnePlus One > USB OTG adaptor > USB cable > Fiio E17 > Earphones > Ears
After more days of listening I can confirm that Fiio E17 works great with the OPO. I suspect the first few crashes were ROM related. Let me know if you have any questions and I can test stuff.
I have the OPO and can conform that the Audioquest Dragonfly and the FiiO E-7 work fine, although I had to enable USB tweak 1 in the USB Audio Player Pro as I would randomly lose sync with the DAC.
I will update this post later today as I will have the opportunity to test the V-Moda Vamp Verza.
I would appreciate feedback on DACs without using UAPP since the app brings its own driver interface to communicate with DACs. Outside the app DACs quickly loose the ability to work with various phones.
So if you have a DAC and a OPO phone, please give feedback without using UAPP and see if it works with a standard music player. Thanks!
My Yulong U100 works, but it is not a portable or widely available DAC.
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I would appreciate feedback on DACs without using UAPP since the app brings its own driver interface to communicate with DACs.
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I haven't used or installed UAPP at all. Apps I've used are Apollo, Soundcloud, Youtube, Chrome, and various games. System sounds and the like are all fine as well. As far as I'm can tell the E17 + OPO works with anything and everything.
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I would appreciate feedback on DACs without using UAPP since the app brings its own driver interface to communicate with DACs. Outside the app DACs quickly loose the ability to work with various phones. So if you have a DAC and a OPO phone, please give feedback without using UAPP and see if it works with a standard music player. Thanks! My Yulong U100 works, but it is not a portable or widely available DAC.
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1. Then again, perhaps other people might like to know which DACs work with the OPO in whatever capacity -- with UARP or without. Anyone who's gracious enough to test their DAC with their setup and report their findings here has my gratitude whether or not they have to use UARP -- yourself included. (I believe the Dragonfly does require UARP, hence chazman's specific feedback, if I understood him correctly.)
No need to limit the scope of this thread to the setup you desire. Your interests will still be covered.
2. It sounds as though your Yulong U100 works without UARP, since you didn't mention using it and are interested specifically in avoiding it, correct?
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1. Then again, perhaps other people might like to know which DACs work with the OPO in whatever capacity -- with UARP or without. Anyone who's gracious enough to test their DAC with their setup and report their findings here has my gratitude whether or not they have to use UARP -- yourself included. (I believe the Dragonfly does require UARP, hence chazman's specific feedback, if I understood him correctly.)
No need to limit the scope of this thread to the setup you desire. Your interests will still be covered.
2. It sounds as though your Yulong U100 works without UARP, since you didn't mention using it and are interested specifically in avoiding it, correct?
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Generally from what I have seen almost any DAC with standard USB interface will work with UAPP. They really did a good job with that app and its driver interface, no doubt. But it is also no native support, there is an interface layer in between.
What would be perfect is that everyone who tries to use their DAC with their phone not only tries UAPP but also "normal" operation. Too often that information is missing. However if a DAC works without UAPP it will work with Ultimate Audio Player Pro as well.
So in my case the U100 works systemwide, with any audio/video app I tried. Stock and CM based roms.
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I haven't used or installed UAPP at all. Apps I've used are Apollo, Soundcloud, Youtube, Chrome, and various games. System sounds and the like are all fine as well. As far as I'm can tell the E17 + OPO works with anything and everything.
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perfect, thanks
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Generally from what I have seen almost any DAC with standard USB interface will work with UAPP. They really did a good job with that app and its driver interface, no doubt. But it is also no native support, there is an interface layer in between.
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It isn't always true that any USB DAC will work with UARP. The success is very much dependent on the player and the DAC. Another factor is power, of course. If, for example, a USB DAC intended to be powered by the computer for which it was designed (cf. the Dragonfly) only worked with the OPO when an external powered hub was added, I'd want to know that as well.
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What would be perfect is that everyone who tries to use their DAC with their phone not only tries UAPP but also "normal" operation. Too often that information is missing. However if a DAC works without UAPP it will work with Ultimate Audio Player Pro as well.
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Just did a search for "Ultimate Audio Player Pro" on the playstore and found nothing. Are you certain you don't mean USB Audio Recorder Pro?
Also: When people say that a DAC works with USB Audio Recorder Pro, I believe they're trying to say that it doesn't work without UARP. The convenient shorthand for them might be to add the word only:
"Schiit-on-a-Wheel Audio's Nordic Conquest DAC works with CM OS and the stock music app, but Megathrum's MeagerDAC works only with UARP and revision 340.2(c) of the ThermalCup ROM."
that's the one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro
it is "USB" not "Ultimate" Audio Player Pro. Same developer.
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I have the OPO and can conform that the Audioquest Dragonfly and the FiiO E-7 work fine, although I had to enable USB tweak 1 in the USB Audio Player Pro as I would randomly lose sync with the DAC.
I will update this post later today as I will have the opportunity to test the V-Moda Vamp Verza.
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I am listening to the V-Moda Vamp Verza right now using Poweramp. Works flawlessly, sounds awesome. Also works with Google Play music as well as USB Audio Player Pro.
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that's the one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro
it is "USB" not "Ultimate" Audio Player Pro. Same developer.
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Got it: You meant to type USB but typed Ultimate -- perhaps because it turns out you're not alone.
I point this out not to be a vast hulking dink but because (1) there's an app called "Ultimate Audio Player," which people might mistakenly download instead, and (2) I googled the name "Ultimate Audio Recorder Pro" and found threads like this one, in which Head-fi members used the incorrect name for the app -- and one of them happens to be NZtechfreak -- a dedicated cataloger of USB DACs.
Note, too, that user phi303 had the same experience I did: S/he looked for Ultimate Audio Player Pro on the Playstore and found nothing. It's interesting that that's happened more than twice.
For the above reasons, I think it's worthwhile for people to know we're talking about USB Audio Player Pro sans the word Ultimate. Since I wasn't familiar with that UARP offshoot until you made me aware of it, I wouldn't expect every DAC user to know it either -- not automatically, at least.
Both UARP and UAPP use drivers that bypass the limitations of source software, which is why I suspected they had to be the same software with an incorrect initialism or variants of the same original software.
another +1 for fiio E17 working on oneplus one (i'm assuming the OP is using on the stock rom)
Confirmed the OPO will work with FIIO E17 via USB
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https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/opo-usb-audio.20694/page-3
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I am listening to the V-Moda Vamp Verza right now using Poweramp. Works flawlessly, sounds awesome. Also works with Google Play music as well as USB Audio Player Pro.
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Update--
After extensive listening I had to return the V-Moda Vamp Versa DAC. When using the settings required by the DAC for an android phone there is audible (barely) noise. If you change the settings to apple mode - the noise goes away, but the battery drains extremely quick. No Bueno.
Rega DAC works
My OnePlus One recognized my Rega DAC without any issues. I used it with Google Play Music.
OnePlus One -> USB Micro OTG to USB 2.0 Adapter -> USB cable -> Rega DAC -> Rega (or any) Amp
Cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005QX7KYU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
DAC: http://www.musicdirect.com/p-12208-rega-dac.aspx
Thanks, mapin and chazman -- and thanks to DanBa for dropping me a note about the uDAC2.
List updated; it now includes a few new findings from users on Head-fi's OPO thread.
Added to list: the Apex Glacier, Stoner UD 120, HRT Music Streamer 2 and FiiO E7.
Thanks for those updates go to Poinmandres, cattlethief and DanBa.
The Aune T1 works great!!great sound!using a USB micro otg tot USB 2.0 adapter.
i also confirm fiio17 works with oneplus one (usb audio player pro). A nice combination but not to portable is to connect to e17 a e12 as headphone amp(with fiio l7). It drives my sennheiser hd600 excellent and even my ie8.
User confirms cd5 works with opo
http://www.reddit.com/r/androidaudio/comments/2ro7r3/my_android_audio_setup_is_complete/
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I need help getting a usb dac working with my note 8. Usb audio player works but its not a good option for me since it will be a in car install. Anyone with any expirence in this please chime in. Im willing to do whatever it takes. My note 2 had native support so does the note 3. I think it has to do with services.jar. I am not sure exacly what files need to be added but I used basmali on my n7 to input a few lines to the services jar file and it worked great. Thanks for any help. I have a syba dac works fine with android.
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I need help getting a usb dac working with my note 8. Usb audio player works but its not a good option for me since it will be a in car install. Anyone with any expirence in this please chime in. Im willing to do whatever it takes. My note 2 had native support so does the note 3. I think it has to do with services.jar. I am not sure exacly what files need to be added but I used basmali on my n7 to input a few lines to the services jar file and it worked great. Thanks for any help. I have a syba dac works fine with android.
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I am not sure what you are doing or meaning.
This is a Note 8.0... so if you are side loading an app from a Note 2, things may not work.
I play mp3 files just fine from SD or OTG USB, and don't need an app for playback.
As for pulling mp3 files from tablet... I use Xposed with download to SD for xposed.
I copied all the important folders from the system over to SD and redirected the system paths in the Xposed module to point to the corresponding folders on SD.
Maybe having SD and system folders simultaneously available is causing issues with your cars media player.
Ford Sync works fine and one of my apps has a fix for Sync, but many diff issues with Honda on 9th gen Accords and using media android or not.
GT-N5110 & GT-N5120 - 64GB 633x on board, Status Official on SafeRooted OEM ROMs with Wanam Xposed and RootCloak. The only way to fly 8+ hours!
This badboy don't play with Play & Triangle away!
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I am not sure what you are doing or meaning.
This is a Note 8.0... so if you are side loading an app from a Note 2, things may not work.
I play mp3 files just fine from SD or OTG USB, and don't need an app for playback.
As for pulling mp3 files from tablet... I use Xposed with download to SD for xposed.
I copied all the important folders from the system over to SD and redirected the system paths in the Xposed module to point to the corresponding folders on SD.
Maybe having SD and system folders simultaneously available is causing issues with your cars media player.
Ford Sync works fine and one of my apps has a fix for Sync, but many diff issues with Honda on 9th gen Accords and using media android or not.
GT-N5110 & GT-N5120 - 64GB 633x on board, Status Official on SafeRooted OEM ROMs with Wanam Xposed and RootCloak. The only way to fly 8+ hours!
This badboy don't play with Play & Triangle away!
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A dac isnt a app its a piece of hardware that when connected gives you alot cleaner output for a extenal amplifier. It connects to the usb host then routs the audio signal to the dac the dac amplifies it and send a better signal to your headphones or amplifier. Its very common with car audio guys like myself and will work nativly with many phones and tablets. It seems the note 8 is missing some drivers or libs ect... for this to work. I need a dev to help out. Thanks for the reply.
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A dac isnt a app its a piece of hardware that when connected gives you alot cleaner output for a extenal amplifier. It connects to the usb host then routs the audio signal to the dac the dac amplifies it and send a better signal to your headphones or amplifier. Its very common with car audio guys like myself and will work nativly with many phones and tablets. It seems the note 8 is missing some drivers or libs ect... for this to work. I need a dev to help out. Thanks for the reply.
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I am familiar with DAC and processing, just most have app issues not hardware connectivity issues.
The Note 8.0 DAC is very capable of outputting and converting digital, you just need to enable surround and use an HML adapter to HDMI... then you have your pure digital out for processing. Most portable processors are HDMI now whether they are for cars or theatre use. If going from HDMI to multi channel, if your DAC does not have HDMI in, you can get an HDMI converter for connecting TOSLink, Coax, or Balanced audio output.
Do that all the time a home on my Yamaha.
You also have the ability to use Viper4Android HIFI it has advanced CPU processing to clean up MP3 format files for the best analog listening experience since it does the clean up natively, MHL HDMI output will also be cleaned up as well. Highly recommended as it has an Audiophile processing power without all the gizmos and colorization of other types of clean up apps or processors.
Here is the google play store link, though I get the one from the developers site... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vipercn.viper4android233.xhifi
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I am familiar with DAC and processing, just most have app issues not hardware connectivity issues.
The Note 8.0 DAC is very capable of outputting and converting digital, you just need to enable surround and use an HML adapter to HDMI... then you have your pure digital out for processing. Most portable processors are HDMI now whether they are for cars or theatre use. If going from HDMI to multi channel, if your DAC does not have HDMI in, you can get an HDMI converter for connecting TOSLink, Coax, or Balanced audio output.
Do that all the time a home on my Yamaha.
You also have the ability to use Viper4Android HIFI it has advanced CPU processing to clean up MP3 format files for the best analog listening experience since it does the clean up natively, MHL HDMI output will also be cleaned up as well. Highly recommended as it has an Audiophile processing power without all the gizmos and colorization of other types of clean up apps or processors.
Here is the google play store link, though I get the one from the developers site... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vipercn.viper4android233.xhifi
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Im very familiar with v4a but i have a arc audio ps8 for processing so i want my signal as original as possible . V4a is a awsome app i use it but not for my needs for this install.Hdmi out is not a aption for me i need optical. An example of a dac i want to use is fiio e17, nuforce udac. I see a few hdmi to optical converters but the are pricey. Thanks for the reply its appreciated.
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Im very familiar with v4a but i have a arc audio ps8 for processing so i want my signal as original as possible . V4a is a awsome app i use it but not for my needs for this install.Hdmi out is not a aption for me i need optical. An example of a dac i want to use is fiio e17, nuforce udac. I see a few hdmi to optical converters but the are pricey. Thanks for the reply its appreciated.
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Well Toslink has its issues and would be my last option in getting pure data. Though I do not see $40 to $75 being pricey for a converter. If anything I would replace the PS8 for a Lexicon processor, Though a DC-1 being over 10 years old would be too pricey for you as well, so going to a Meridian would be pointless.
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Well Toslink has its issues and would be my last option in getting pure data. Though I do not see $40 to $75 being pricey for a converter. If anything I would replace the PS8 for a Lexicon processor, Though a DC-1 being over 10 years old would be too pricey for you as well, so going to a Meridian would be pointless.
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I spent wayyy to much money as it is.I got a 30$ behringer dac uca202 with optical and it works great with the note8 and the ps8. Optical is by far the best signal i had so far,clean powerful. I couldnt be happier. It has a burrbrown dac built in for the analog outputs but after comparing them optical has more output.as fas as the processors you recommended i need a 8 channel and it has to be small. The ps8 is perfect for my needs it has a 31 band eq for each channnel independent crossovers for each channel, time alignment, a mixer and phase control for blending channels 8 volt out the list goes on. I tried helix dsp and a few others but the output on the ps8 is killer...thanks for the recomendations.
b3ltazar said:
I spent wayyy to much money as it is.I got a 30$ behringer dac uca202 with optical and it works great with the note8 and the ps8. Optical is by far the best signal i had so far,clean powerful. I couldnt be happier. It has a burrbrown dac built in for the analog outputs but after comparing them optical has more output.as fas as the processors you recommended i need a 8 channel and it has to be small. The ps8 is perfect for my needs it has a 31 band eq for each channel independent crossovers for each channel, time alignment, a mixer and phase control for blending channels 8 volt out the list goes on. I tried helix dsp and a few others but the output on the ps8 is killer...thanks for the recomendations.
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8 channels ... Both types have 9.1 channels for Theater experience and are THX - EX certified. In fact they are tops in professional equipment.
Rule of thumb car audio is second rate over professional studio equipment. The only time I use fiber optics is through our backbone links. Car and Home Toslink connex are filled with judder. Professionals use hard wired connex, HDMI, Coax, Scart, or balanced analog line cables.
I just find this thread funny to hear you have spent a lot of money on equipment and tablet, and want to use toslink and above all use USB, which IMO cannot pass the bandwidth for true 7.1 sound without judder. Plus you are doing multiple downstream conversions when HDMI allows pure digital to connect, so using a MHL HDMI adapter allows untouched data to be available to your processor. I would not spend top dollar and not have HDMI digital in capabilities or attempt at limiting myself with Toslink. It is not that I am telling you your doing it wrong, as it seems that you expect the processor connection that you chose to be clean, when it is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK
http://www.allaboutadapters.com/hddodtsdihdo.html
Enough said about this, you wanted to know how to connect your tablet and make the processor work. I gave all that I can to make it work for you. Its up to you to figure out how you are going to utilize it.
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8 channels ... Both types have 9.1 channels for Theater experience and are THX - EX certified. In fact they are tops in professional equipment.
Rule of thumb car audio is second rate over professional studio equipment. The only time I use fiber optics is through our backbone links. Car and Home Toslink connex are filled with judder. Professionals use hard wired connex, HDMI, Coax, Scart, or balanced analog line cables.
I just find this thread funny to hear you have spent a lot of money on equipment and tablet, and want to use toslink and above all use USB, which IMO cannot pass the bandwidth for true 7.1 sound without judder. Plus you are doing multiple downstream conversions when HDMI allows pure digital to connect, so using a MHL HDMI adapter allows untouched data to be available to your processor. I would not spend top dollar and not have HDMI digital in capabilities or attempt at limiting myself with Toslink. It is not that I am telling you your doing it wrong, as it seems that you expect the processor connection that you chose to be clean, when it is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK
http://www.allaboutadapters.com/hddodtsdihdo.html
Enough said about this, you wanted to know how to connect your tablet and make the processor work. I gave all that I can to make it work for you. Its up to you to figure out how you are going to utilize it.
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I understand what ur saying but i am not looking for 7.1 just a clean signal for the ps8 its just that thae tablets dont have enough signalvoltage out maybe .5 volt at max . I have to make my install ps8 based because i have one already and i sell them at my shop and want to make a tablet installs a option for customers. Im not saying its the best solution but its what i needed ..Eveything you said is correct and when i am ready to step it up ill come to u for some suggestions.
No luck myself
I haven't been able to get my dac to work with my s8+.
Really miss the sound quality.
Hi to the fantastic team of minds on XDA! I'm currently working through building a wireless charging/streaming dock with NFC for my Nexus 5, although the plan is to extend support to any device that supports Wireless Charging & NFC.
Basic concept is for use in a car, but could also be adapted for other situations easily. Basic operation is drop phone in charging area/cradle, NFC tag is read by phone and either launches the music player OR for me in my case, runs tasker to set volume max, play library on shuffle, launch GPS tracking for work/private mileage etc and the phone would stream audio to a receiver wired into the cars headunit.
NFC/Wireless charging.. piece of cake. Audio streaming... not so fun.
I would really like decent audio quality, not quite audiophile level but certainly at least as good as the 3.5mm line out from the headphone jack. Initially I disliked the idea of bluetooth due to quality however looking around I found some Bluetooth 4 APT-X enabled boards that seemed to fit the bill fairly well as apparently APT-X sounds much better in comparison to A2DP (haven't tried out for myself though). Only problem is the Nexus as well as a lot of other devices don't support APT-X. Other than bluetooth I'm really struggling to find a good quality wireless streaming standard that is fairly plug and play. I found a WiFi option via DTS using DLNA but the details on the receiving hardware are sketchy, it also doesn't seem very transparent (requires input from 3rd party apps etc).
I also found a few posts relating to Chromecast enabled media servers that will allow Play music to cast music to them, but again, can't really find any pre made WiFi enabled DLNA "dumb" servers designed to simply capture an audio stream. Again, not very transparent. Ideally it would work natively and without much 3rd party input.. although this may not be entirely possible so I'm open to all options.
So, what are my options? Also, why with Bluetooth 4 with the max bitrate of 20+mbps do we not have a high bit rate audio streaming profile/protocol?
I did consider the idea of a wired DAC, but the major plus on the cable free design is being able to just drop the phone in and grab it out without fiddling for cables. Also the Nexus 5 doesn't support USB DAC OOTB. I also had difficulty sourcing a DAC that would output acceptable audio (at least as good as the headphone jack) for a good price. Everything I found was either expensively high end or nasty & cheap. All I need is a bare board that gets stuffed into a cable box and works! I bought a cheap $5 DAC off ebay ages ago for testing. Worst mistake ever!!! Horrible sound, but hey it was $5
Thanks for any input!
- Auzeras
If bluetooth sound qualitiy is too bad for you (for me its ok with my JVC radio) i think the aux cable is the only option. But if you have to plug in the cable the "just drop your phone"-concept is gone. I suggest trying to use the USB port for audio out (because aux input isnt a big deal for most of the cars) und charging at the same time. For the dock i think using the brodit docks is ok although these docks are expensive. Alternativly you could try to use a cheaper dock.
For USB audio out i think a cheap DAC like this should be fine, but you need the usb audio recorder pro app (see this thread). Next thing is charging at the same time. Maybe its possible to do it like this with an powered usb hub but you'll have to try that. Overall its more the developing of an USB aux output with the ability of charging but i think its the only option to get the audio qualitiy you want.
Hi all,
Just wanted to put a thread together to talk around the audio capabilities of the HTC 10. From what I can see, the audio is split up into a couple of different areas:
1) Good quality internal hardware (DAC and separate amps for speakers and earphone),
2) Powerful two way speaker setup,
3) Better than normal earphones to take advantage of the hardware, and
4) Good quality software with the Personal Audio Profile System.
5) There is also Airplay support for those with 3rd party airplay speakers.
What hardware are people currently using (earphones, headphones, portable amps, portable usb DAC's)? When the phone is released, it will be good to get peoples impressions and reviews. Also to understand how different hardware affects those experiences (ie. different earphones work better or worse with this phone)??? Also, could this phone be good enough to take you away from dedicated hardware you might have (proper portable music players)?
One thing that I have noted which I haven't seen noted anywhere else is the Personal Audio Profile System being the same as what Aumeo has/is coming out with with their device (click here).
I personally have a couple of pairs of AKG over ear headphones and a pair of Flare R2Pro in-ear phones. Once I get my HTC, I will compare them with the hi-res ear-phones they come with and share my thoughts.
Open questions:
1) What DAC's are being used? What is inbuilt from Qualcomm or specialist 3rd party hardware?
2) What type of 3.5mm connector is being used (AHJ or OMTP), we believe AHJ based on previous HTC phones but could do with confirming)
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Hi all,
Just wanted to put a thread together to talk around the audio capabilities of the HTC 10. From what I can see, the audio is split up into a couple of different areas: 1) Good quality internal hardware (DAC and separate amps for speakers and earphone), 2) Powerful two way speaker setup, 3) better than normal earphones to take advantage of the hardware, and 4) Good quality software with the Personal Audio Profile System. Over these, there is the point that it works with Airplay which has a lot of support in terms of the 3rd party speaker market.
Just curious to see how people feel about the Audio capabilities of the 10 and whether that might be enough to take you away from dedicated hardware if you current use that?
One thing that I have noted which I haven't seen noted anywhere else is the Personal Audio Profile System being the same as what Aumeo has/is coming out with with their device (click here).
I currently have a couple of AKG over ears which I can't drive directly from my LG G4 without having a portable amp in the middle. I also have a pair of Flare R2Pro in ear phones that are quite hard to drive. Can't wait to test these out with the 10 when it comes out!!!
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The 10 recognizes that you have plugged (wired) earphones into the jack and offers you two options for customization, a 'quick question' method and a more detailed method that requires listening to tones on left then right in different frequency ranges. You then have the option to 'save' the audio profile for those earphones. If you plug a different set of earphones in, the device recognizes it and offers you to use the existing profile or create a new one (you can store multiple profiles). This does not work with BT earphones, by the way.
The sound is superior to anything I've ever heard on any audio device. It can make cheap earphones sound good (although I recommend at least midrange earphones), and with decent earphones (I use a Shure pair) it's terrific.
hgoldner said:
The 10 recognizes that you have plugged (wired) earphones into the jack and offers you two options for customization, a 'quick question' method and a more detailed method that requires listening to tones on left then right in different frequency ranges. You then have the option to 'save' the audio profile for those earphones. If you plug a different set of earphones in, the device recognizes it and offers you to use the existing profile or create a new one (you can store multiple profiles). This does not work with BT earphones, by the way.
The sound is superior to anything I've ever heard on any audio device. It can make cheap earphones sound good (although I recommend at least midrange earphones), and with decent earphones (I use a Shure pair) it's terrific.
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That's awesome news that it does this for wired earphones!
Which pair of Shure earphones do you use? And other than these headphones, have you had a chance to try them with any other different sets of earphones?? Have you had a chance to try them with any over ear headphones, ones that might be harder to drive?
Whilst I have your attention. Have you had a play around with different audio formats / qualities? MP3 vs 24bit FLAC to see how much of a difference this makes on this setup?
Regards,
Ravi
rav101 said:
That's awesome news that it does this for wired earphones!
Which pair of Shure earphones do you use? And other than these headphones, have you had a chance to try them with any other different sets of earphones?? Have you had a chance to try them with any over ear headphones, ones that might be harder to drive?
Whilst I have your attention. Have you had a play around with different audio formats / qualities? MP3 vs 24bit FLAC to see how much of a difference this makes on this setup?
Regards,
Ravi
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I don't drive with earphones on (that's illegal here).
I have used the Personal Audio Profiles on 3 different pairs of earphones; a test set supplied with the test phone, Shure e3c's and an over-the-ear Audio-Technica pair. The Shure's and the test earphones are the best. The test earphones are my current daily (and may well be what comes in the box for some models, but I don't know because they don't tell us).
How do the speakers sound? As good as HTC One M7/8/9? Better?
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I don't drive with earphones on (that's illegal here).
I have used the Personal Audio Profiles on 3 different pairs of earphones; a test set supplied with the test phone, Shure e3c's and an over-the-ear Audio-Technica pair. The Shure's and the test earphones are the best. The test earphones are my current daily (and may well be what comes in the box for some models, but I don't know because they don't tell us).
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Sorry, to clarify when I say 'harder to drive' I mean over ear headphones that have a higher impedance. In this case, on other less powerful music players (or other phones), the headphones sound quiet even at max volume.
Trying to find out if it will have aptx hd enabled but no info. Also air play to aiport to dac should sound pretty decent
Sent from my LG-H901 using XDA-Developers mobile app
I am excited to see the phones response ranges in a test.
Would be cool to have my vinyl rips playing as good as it can get without a $1000 DAP.
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I am excited to see the phones response ranges in a test.
Would be cool to have my vinyl rips playing as good as it can get without a $1000 DAP.
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Now that the embargo has lifted, I presume we will start seeing more in depth reviews and those should hopefully include more detailed audio tests.
I use a fiio e12 to amp my current phone (LG G4). Nothing fancy but pretty sure the HTC 10 will do much better than that setup now. :victory:
madcowintucson said:
Trying to find out if it will have aptx hd enabled but no info. Also air play to aiport to dac should sound pretty decent
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I am curious about this too as i will be buying the new lg bluetooth headset.
The audio is one of the main reason why I want this beast!
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Me too! I own a pair of mid-to-top range RHA T10 and I am really anticipating how these will sound with the HTC 10. I am a audiophile and the sound quality is really important to me.
My last two phone's have been the HTC M8 and LG G4. I have found that I use my phone less for music now that I'm using the G4 than the M8 and its because I just enjoy it less. Can't wait to hear how these sound with a good pair of earphones.
Audio Jack
Does anyone know what kind of audio jack standard the HTC 10 will use? Is it AHJ or OMTP?
Then i'll know if I can use the inline controls of my RHA T20i's as currently with my HTC m8.
Edit: Btw - I strongly advise using the Neutron app if you want high-end music. Already supports FLAC but last update also added DSD support for the SACD fanatics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp
Hopefully USB Audio works as well! Have they mentioned that at all?
Heretic Infidel said:
Does anyone know what kind of audio jack standard the HTC 10 will use? Is it AHJ or OMTP?
Then i'll know if I can use the inline controls of my RHA T20i's as currently with my HTC m8.
Edit: Btw - I strongly advise using the Neutron app if you want high-end music. Already supports FLAC but last update also added DSD support for the SACD fanatics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp
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Found this.
http://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...87-note-headset-standards-omtp-ahj-apple.html
Says HTC uses AHJ...
rav101 said:
Found this.
http://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...87-note-headset-standards-omtp-ahj-apple.html
Says HTC uses AHJ...
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Why on EARTH is there more than one? This would be standardized now days like USB...
Is the audio upconversion/upsampling BS something that can be disabled from settings?
I am happy with the sound quality of the 10 through the speakers as well as through the jack
What type of DAC is in the HTC 10? Because just amping the Qualcomm native DAC won't result in clean awesome audio, just louder. I'm hoping is cirrus/Wolfson or Ess Sabre premium DAC's
Hi Guys,
Let's talk about the external DAC.
Afordable, or not...
I don't want to use wireless solution for several reason but this is not the point here.
My favorite :
Ibasso DC01
Unfirtunatielly not compatible with Samsung Galaxy devices. Wiring of the USB-C connector is not fully respected by Samsung.
Some says that it will work on some European devices (Exynos).
It will be soon available as unbalanced under reference ibasso DC02.
Same issue ?
Sonata HD cable II
Review here
I've read everything and anything on this one. I don't know what to think about it. More over it's unbalanced.
Clone from Tempotec
http://www.tempotec.com.cn/en/2-Product/Sonata/SonataHD/index.htm
external DAC
I have the Ibasso DAC and will be disappointed if this will not work with the Note 10. I have the Sonata and the Cozoy as well so will be trying them on the N10+ too. I prefer to use the iBasso for the Balanced connection. Does this mean it doesn't work with the Note9? My wife has this phone. I will try the Ibasso on that tonight.
USB Dac
billy_boolean said:
Hi Guys,
My favorite :
Ibasso DC01
Unfirtunatielly not compatible with Samsung Galaxy devices. Wiring of the USB-C connector is not fully respected by Samsung.
Some says that it will work on some European devices (Exynos).
Review here
I've read everything and anything on this one. I don't know what to think about it. More over it's unbalanced.
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I just tried the Ibasso DC-01 with my wife's Note9 (Qualcomm CPU). I have used it with PowerAmp and Tidal and it seems to be working fine.
Can I clarify that the Ibasso has not been working with Samsung phones or just with the Note 10?
I have ordered the Note 10+, but have assumed that the Ibasso will work with the N10+ as well.
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I just tried the Ibasso DC-01 with my wife's Note9 (Qualcomm CPU). I have used it with PowerAmp and Tidal and it seems to be working fine.
Can I clarify that the Ibasso has not been working with Samsung phones or just with the Note 10?
I have ordered the Note 10+, but have assumed that the Ibasso will work with the N10+ as well.
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It seems that they have issue with S9 S10 N9 and N10.
Not all devices are impacted.
See attachment.
Regarding ibasso, a French test website said to have had the problem with 50% of devices. Including S9 S10 and Note9.
Samsun was able to solve the problem via software for other DACs, but they can not do it for ibasso.
This French website advice to test the ibasso before buying.
Dac amps
I came across this usb dac by Dunu at a hifi show recently. Looks similar to the Ibasso, but was unbalanced. I did not catch the model number. I think it will be released soon as well
billy_boolean said:
Hi Guys,
Let's talk about the external DAC.
Afordable, or not...
I don't want to use wireless solution for several reason but this is not the point here.
My favorite :
Ibasso DC01
Unfirtunatielly not compatible with Samsung Galaxy devices. Wiring of the USB-C connector is not fully respected by Samsung.
Some says that it will work on some European devices (Exynos).
It will be soon available as unbalanced under reference ibasso DC02.
Same issue ?
Sonata HD cable II
Review here
I've read everything and anything on this one. I don't know what to think about it. More over it's unbalanced.
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Few months ago I purchased TempoTec Sonata HD Hi-Res dongle from Amazon and actually was the first person to review them. Basically it is the same as Hidizs, just re-branded. Actually Hidizs was selling the TempoTec dongle. I asked them what is the difference between your Hidizs and TempoTec, their reply was "basically same thing..." The reason I went with TempoTec, as it was $19.99 and Hidizs that time was $29.99. Now Hidizs went over $40, not cool
Manufacturer's website: http://www.tempotec.com.cn/en/2-Product/Sonata/SonataHD/index.htm
Aliexpress link for TempoTec dongle: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32897632139.html?spm=a2g1y.12024536.productList_11545128.subject_0
Re: ibasso DC-01
I finally got the N10+ (Qualcomm) today
Have managed to try out the ibasso dc-01 dac this evening.
Crossing fingers, but so far no issues with it on the N10+.
I have used Power-Amp, Tidal and UAP Pro and all the apps have behaved with the dac.
Haven't encountered anything unusual.
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I finally got the N10+ (Qualcomm) today
Have managed to try out the ibasso dc-01 dac this evening.
Crossing fingers, but so far no issues with it on the N10+.
I have used Power-Amp, Tidal and UAP Pro and all the apps have behaved with the dac.
Haven't encountered anything unusual.
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Good news !
No battery drain ?
have you installed the ibasso application to manage the volume ?
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Good news !
No battery drain ?
have you installed the ibasso application to manage the volume ?
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Not noticed battery drain, but perhaps will see how it is tomorrow after a full charge and spend the day with it.
I have not installed any ibasso app, but have volume control with the N10.
I had to set hardware volume with UAPpro and volume works in bit perfect mode fine. Listening to Tidal with UAPpro as I type. Been great so far.
First thing first, I am not an audiophile!
Instead of paying the Type-C to 3.5mm Adapter for SS (no stock here anyway), bought the iBasso dc02
- plug and play as expected, no issue
- volume is louder, and clearer
- RHA T20
- Have not tried the iBasso UAC
Tested on:
Samsung Note10+ (Samsung Music Player)
Huawei Honor Note 10 (VLC)
Time to trash the Type C to 3.5mm adapter!
**** ...
i got the Ibasso DC02 for my note 10+ exynos and it didn't work ... audio came out from the phone speakers and the Ibasso UAC doesn't see it either ...
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i got the Ibasso DC02 for my note 10+ exynos and it didn't work ... audio came out from the phone speakers and the Ibasso UAC doesn't see it either ...
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faulty unit? Have you tried it on other devices?
I already bought this one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Soditer-Adapter-Headphone-Realtek-Earphone/dp/B07MHH14M5
Planning on getting Note 10 at some point in November.
Works with Samsung
Just need to restart phone with DAC connected. I am jealous of the people who got it to work. Mine doesn't auto detect the DAC. But if I connect it and restart the Note 10 sees it just fine.
I had an email about the following the other day and maybe of interest:
ZuperDAC-S: True Portable HiFi USB-DAC.
I would not normally depends on the phone music because most of the mobile phones now are designed to work in games and movies or other type of entertainment except audio. If you like quality music try to use Chord Mojo, Chord Hugo or Other external DAC. I would prepare to buy a separate music player if you love music instead of depending on mobile phones. There are many decent Music player in the market that you can buy, if you like there are quality Astell and Kern Products like SR15 A&norma it just 799 USD and I heard there a sale on other stores like Amazon. If you cannot afford it try buying Fiio like X1 or X3 its cheaper but good quality music as compared with mobile phones. Another advantage is the battery of your phone won't worn out easily because you don't need to charge it from time to time.
Doesn't work
My dc02 doesn't work on oneplus 7 android 10 and huawei 6x my app is uapp and hiby
It work for Arround 1minute and then it make some noise
When i replug the dac it play music Arround 1 minute again
This works out of the box dedicated headphone jack, and up to 7.1 surround when used in VLC and Kodi. ?
https://vantecusa.com/products_detail.php?p_id=155
Solution to USB-C Woes
Guys do not fret. There are two workarounds that I've discovered. One of them which is the recent more permanent one relied on talking to the right person at the right moment. Thanks to that person from Samsung Philippines.*
First, the temporary workaround was mentioned here. Keep it connected while rebooting and the system will detect it automatically.
For the permanent solution here it is:
1. Clear the USB settings of your Android device. Settings, Apps, Show System Apps, search USB Settings tap clear cache and clear data.
2. Perform a soft reset. In some phones power and volume down button.
Should now work without restarting it while it is plugged in. Tried plug and unplug multiple times. It now works!*
Hope this helps everyone! Pls post this solution on* social media.
AzureSleeper said:
Guys do not fret. There are two workarounds that I've discovered. One of them which is the recent more permanent one relied on talking to the right person at the right moment. Thanks to that person from Samsung Philippines.*
First, the temporary workaround was mentioned here. Keep it connected while rebooting and the system will detect it automatically.
For the permanent solution here it is:
1. Clear the USB settings of your Android device. Settings, Apps, Show System Apps, search USB Settings tap clear cache and clear data.
2. Perform a soft reset. In some phones power and volume down button.
Should now work without restarting it while it is plugged in. Tried plug and unplug multiple times. It now works!*
Hope this helps everyone! Pls post this solution on* social media.
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It's doesn't work for me, tempotec sonata hd pro, note 10, only reboot with dac connected work for me
Since Google apparently fixed USB DAC problems in June, what dongle DACs have ppl successfully used to play music 24bit/96kHz and up? Also has anyone used the Qobuz app (not UAPP) to play hi-res? TIA
I have a Samsung dongle and it can output 24bit/96kHz with my Pixel.
I use a moshi usb-c dac
USB-C Digital Audio Adapter with Charging (Universal)
Newly updated for maximum compatibility across all USB-C devices, including the iPad Pro (USB-C). Listen to pristine, high-resolution audio using regular 3.5 mm headphones. A USB-C pass-through port lets you charge your device at the same time.
us.moshi.com
You guys streaming with something like Tidal/Qobuz or playing local media files?
I use two regularly, an IFI Hip Dac, and a Topping NX4. As for the music, when I'm streaming, I use Apple Music which will give you the option to play the songs in hi res if you have a DAC connected. I used Amazon Music HD for years before that, and have always been a life long Android fan, so never even considered Apple Music. So as much as I don't really care for Apple or their products, I have it to hand it to them on the music front. They do something with their mastering of some of the albums (called Apple Masters or something), that, to my ears, just sound better than on Amazon.
That being said, I also have a qobuz subscription, but don't use their app. Instead, I use a script from GitHub called Qobuz-dl, which allows me to download the hi res music in FLAC form. All the music I download goes to my NAS, and from there, I connect it to apps like USB Audio Player Pro, Jellyfin, Plex, etc, and listen to it that way.
@mattprice86 Did you have compatibility problems with your DACs before Google released the USB update in June? On P6Pro I'm also using Apple Music and surprised how good it is. Using
the Apple USB-C DAC, too, which works fine but is limited to 16bit/44-48kHz on Android AFAIK. So I'm looking for a dongle that does high-res streaming and better sound quality. Something like the Hidizs S3 Pro but I'm hesitating to drop the cash because of the USB issues the P6 has had
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@mattprice86 Did you have compatibility problems with your DACs before Google released the USB update in June? On P6Pro I'm also using Apple Music and surprised how good it is. Using
the Apple USB-C DAC, too, which works fine but is limited to 16bit/44-48kHz on Android AFAIK. So I'm looking for a dongle that does high-res streaming and better sound quality. Something like the Hidizs S3 Pro but I'm hesitating to drop the cash because of the USB issues the P6 has had
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Yea I did. It was unusable for me prior to the update in June. I can't remember exactly what they did every time I tried to play music, but it was something like the sound would keep cutting out, or it'd start to play a noise over the music. I just remember having to turn it off right away. I ended up switching over to my LG V40 for my music until the patch came out. I actually still use the V40 frequently now, because it has Viper4Android, and I like to load autoeq profiles for my IEMs with the convolver.
I never really used dongle DACs, tbh. I forgot to mention this in my last post, but I also have a Fiio BTR5, which would be the closest thing, size wise, to a dongle DAC, that I use with my phones, and it works really well too.
That S3 pro looks like it'd be ok too. It's using an ESS9281C DAC chip. I haven't heard that particular chip, but ESS sabre chips are in my Fiio and my Topping NX4, and I like them. They have a brighter sound than something like a Burr Brown chip, that are used in Hip DACs.
@mattprice86 Thx that's super helpful--think I'll give the S3 a try. We've got similar tastes--I have a bricked V20 I used for years and still hoping to resurrect when I get a chance
I'm on Fiio KA-3, never had any compatibility issues with it, oddly an app hiby I think caused issues detecting it but otherwise it's been great.
Just Spotify high quality and download lots of flac to throw in media server
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Yea I did. It was unusable for me prior to the update in June. I can't remember exactly what they did every time I tried to play music, but it was something like the sound would keep cutting out, or it'd start to play a noise over the music. I just remember having to turn it off right away. I ended up switching over to my LG V40 for my music until the patch came out. I actually still use the V40 frequently now, because it has Viper4Android, and I like to load autoeq profiles for my IEMs with the convolver.
I never really used dongle DACs, tbh. I forgot to mention this in my last post, but I also have a Fiio BTR5, which would be the closest thing, size wise, to a dongle DAC, that I use with my phones, and it works really well too.
That S3 pro looks like it'd be ok too. It's using an ESS9281C DAC chip. I haven't heard that particular chip, but ESS sabre chips are in my Fiio and my Topping NX4, and I like them. They have a brighter sound than something like a Burr Brown chip, that are used in Hip DACs.
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How's the btr5 is it '21 edition? I'm aiming for the older one. I don't need to be thattt bleeding edge. I kind of shifted from iems over to my home audio which was a mistake because there is so many more in variables than headphones
@7h the KA-3 looks good to me. Have you had any issues playing hi res flacs on it?
Another vote for btr5 from fiio. It's excellent. I also have the btr3 but the 5 is much better in every way for both wired and wireless playback.
Reporting back... I pulled the trigger and bought a Hidizs S3 Pro. Works and sounds great. Blue LED lights up for streaming 96kHz tracks directly through the Qobuz app. I'm not using UAPP so apparently Qobuz app can stream in USB exclusive mode. P6 Pro with GrapheneOS