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Ok, now the the 1 Million Dollar question. I'm thinking of my HTC Nike an the whole htcclassaction Issue.
I know the Desire has an 600 MHz DSP for decoding 720p video. I know Qualcomm states that the Snapdragon does have "High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec".
I know Android 2.1 supports OpenGL ES 2.
But does the Desire have an own GPU for 3D, Graphics and GUI like the Iphone (no, I don't like the Iphone) or does it run things like Android GUI or 3D in Software?
I'm planning to buy a Desire next week, but if HTC misses again, it would be an huge point against the Desire (at least for me).
Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.
The Snapdragon can't match the OMAP 3460 in 3D performance unfortunately. Thankfully for us though, snapdragon android phones are WAY more numerous than OMAP phones so most games will be optimized for the Snapdragon
Wow, that really sucks. So i think i will wait until there is a smartphone with Tegra or maybe Tegra 2. But thanks for you reply.
If you want pure (graphics) performance you should skip qualcomm-enabled devices.
See video comparison (ToonWarz)
HTC Desire (qualcom snapdragon 1ghz + Adreno 200 GPU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVzkank7iOw
Motorola Milestone (ARM Cortex 8 550Mhz + PowerVR GPU) - min 4:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-XaaQXIxw
You can wait till Samsung Galaxy S and see how it performs.. even if i hate samsung custom UI and all iphone copying stuff
L.E.
Another example (Asphalt 5)
- Motorola Milestone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUlsfP38lSM
- HTC Desire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIEwlL73utM
As you can see the performance is better in good old Motorola Milestone.
In general, you can skip HTC cos' they always use the cheapest piece of hardware. And that's not only related to SoC (CPU, GPU) but also related to display (see the multitouch bug, a lot of videos there - Motorola Milestone doesn't suffer for this). The things I will mis about HTC are the Sense UI and trackball. Otherwise, screw htc.
OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.
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OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.
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Neocore is Qualcomm optimized so it will always outperform the Milestone. In raw 3d power, the milestone can perform better.
Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.
Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed
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Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I wouldn't bother.
Developers back the majority and the majority is Snapdragon powered phones, not OMAP and not whatever chip Samsung is using.
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Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed
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You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly
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You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly
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Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.
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Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.
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Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Both the Snapdragon processor (Qualcomm) in the Desire, and the OMAP processor (TI) in the iPhone/Droid have integrated GPUs as part of the SoC (system on a chip).
However, the PowerVR GPU in the TI processor is more capable than the Imageon GPU in the Qualcomm.
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Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.
Nekromantik said:
Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.
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Sony (NOT SONY ERICSSON) are apparently planning on releasing a PSP phone sometime late 2010 or early 2011 from a few unconfirmed reports. That sounds like it would be a beast of a phone. I'd imagine Sony would just have the PSP OS running alongside Android or maybe they're developing a proprietary OS that runs PSP games as well as functions as a phone.
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Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.
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Games, in general, are using OpenGL which is standard. Qualcomm Snapdragon is similar to ARM Cortex A8: FPU, NEON etc. (see http://www.dspdesignline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204700527 )
So I'm sure that a game optimized for snapdragons will work (if not better) also on a powerVR/arm cortex a8 solution.
Many cool games are available for Android and upcoming.
Unfortunately HTC is using the cheap SoC from qualcomm so due the poor GPU the games aren't running smothly.
You can see here a comparison of Gangstar West Coast Hustle
- Nexus One (same hardware as Desire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZtM6YK9zo
- Motorola Milestone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUJwONg9UP0
As you can see the game runs way better in good old Motorola Milestone. And that's not the most powerful GPU on the mobile world.
And here you can see the Samsung Galaxy S in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4N7QAlHd4
Clearly I will not get a HTC+Qualcomm SoC (this combination) again. GG competition.
+ Those phones are not affected of the multitouch bug that is present on so many HTC devices (and many htc devices are dual touch).
htc = cheap capacitive layer, cheap soc => expensive device. does it deserve this? actually they are smart.. using cheap hardware and sell the device overpriced.
@abc27 actually HTC (also Apple on their iPhone) is using many components from Samsung, for eg: displays, ram modules... Samsung it's a top semiconductors company.. So Samsung is not a cheap company. But I have to agree, their software customizations are awful
I want to ask developers, if there's any chance to port meego 1.2 hummingbird that is now installed on new nokia n9, it's really great and with "ALIEN DALVIK" it can run native android applications !!!!!!!!!!!!
Why ? To run apps which use hummingbird cpu ?
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nope, hummingbird is the codename ... the nokia n9 has just an arm v7 cpu (cortex a8) and has this version of meego 1.2 and it runs great!
apart from this
with the application "alien dalvik" meego os is capable of running android apps
with full support!!!
Would wanna see it! It's gonna be so awesome! I know our dev teams can do it!
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you should just search for nokia n9 on youtube .. it's awesome and the awesome thing as i wrote b4 is that every arm v7 could have this os ... the problem is (as always) in the drivers ... anyway check the nokia n9 specs ... the gpu and processor have nothing special .. arm cortex a8 1ghz gpu powervr sgx530
It seems the meego to Desire has been bubbling around for sometime, not sure about the hummingbird version though. I think any new port to the desire keeps it fresh and interesting but devs are just getting on with the 2.3 recent release to get it running perfectly on desire. It would be interesting to see this on a desire. There are a couple of videos floating about claiming meego is running on the Desire but I'm not entirely convinced. This would be an interesting port.
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It's great ... we should ask developers!!!!
on this link there are some information for the porting only 1.1 version but ... better than nothing
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD
Fram87 said:
I want to ask developers, if there's any chance to port meego 1.2 hummingbird that is now installed on new nokia n9, it's really great and with "ALIEN DALVIK" it can run native android applications !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Greetings to all! The other day there was news! In the network be leaked the new OFFICIAL ROM for the HTC Desire S based on Android 2.3.5 with HTC Sense 3.0. Accordingly, HTC Sense 3.0 does not need to optimize and change resolution... Are there any advantages in this for our wonderful HTC HD2?
Link to threat Desire S is HERE
I needed only RUU, no rom. Have you had it ? Thank you
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I needed only RUU, no rom. Have you had it ? Thank you
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no we have only rom
but realy you cant use this?
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no we have only rom
but realy you cant use this?
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We can use it but better if we have RUU file, because it's stock file so Sir dungphp can port directly from it, don't need permission from anyone.
so mabe start do this guys))
Link
Sure you guys are quicker than me in finding stuff, but, here you go anyway:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074559
my bad, not the same rom, sorry, lol.
this looks very impressive I found some packages by myself and I am downloading now. will see what can we do with it
Daekin said:
this looks very impressive I found some packages by myself and I am downloading now. will see what can we do with it
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Good deal, look forward to seeing what comes of it.
Sorry, I may be missing something but apart from a 5mp camera, 400MB less ROM and a smaller screen, isn't the Desire S very similar in hardware to the DHD?
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3776&idPhone2=3468
Tigermoto said:
Sorry, I may be missing something but apart from a 5mp camera, 400MB less ROM and a smaller screen, isn't the Desire S very similar in hardware to the DHD?
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3776&idPhone2=3468
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yes it is...just like original Desire was to HD2....
Desire, HD2 - 1st generation Scorpion CPU
Desire HD, Incredible S, Desire S - 2nd generation Scorpion CPU
Sensation - 3rd generation (1st dualcore)
Daekin said:
yes it is...just like original Desire was to HD2....
Desire, HD2 - 1st generation Scorpion CPU
Desire HD, Incredible S, Desire S - 2nd generation Scorpion CPU
Sensation - 3rd generation (1st dualcore)
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So, pardon my ignorance but how will this help us?
I don't mean to annoy anyone but if i don't ask i can't learn.
Tigermoto said:
So, pardon my ignorance but how will this help us?
I don't mean to annoy anyone but if i don't ask i can't learn.
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there are many ROMs from other devices ported successfully (including Desire S, Desire HD, Sensation,...)
this one is interesting because it is sense 3 like sensation, BUT it is properly sized for WVGA resolution!
then it is important that it is newest android 2.3.5 build.
some things like camera and glithes will probably not be fixed with porting this, but we will have pretty decent ROM with all newest features.
Daekin said:
there are many ROMs from other devices ported successfully (including Desire S, Desire HD, Sensation,...)
this one is interesting because it is sense 3 like sensation, BUT it is properly sized for WVGA resolution!
then it is important that it is newest android 2.3.5 build.
some things like camera and glithes will probably not be fixed with porting this, but we will have pretty decent ROM with all newest features.
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Appreciate the information, thanks button pressed.
No further questions your honour.
Daekin said:
yes it is...just like original Desire was to HD2....
Desire, HD2 - 1st generation Scorpion CPU
Desire HD, Incredible S, Desire S - 2nd generation Scorpion CPU
Sensation - 3rd generation (1st dualcore)
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I though it was snapdragon, not scorpion.
Clom801 said:
I though it was snapdragon, not scorpion.
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lol
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
Daekin said:
yes it is...just like original Desire was to HD2....
Desire, HD2 - 1st generation Scorpion CPU
Desire HD, Incredible S, Desire S - 2nd generation Scorpion CPU
Sensation - 3rd generation (1st dualcore)
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hmm... its snapdragon -)))
The Snapdragon application processor core, dubbed Scorpion, is Qualcomm's own design
Is it possible to flash http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230029 this rom to HD2?
Or can some1 please point me in the right direction. I want a Android 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0 rom (Dutch or multilanguage) for the HTC HD2.
Thanks in advance.
SlayrNeo said:
Is it possible to flash http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230029 this rom to HD2?
Or can some1 please point me in the right direction. I want a Android 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0 rom (Dutch or multilanguage) for the HTC HD2.
Thanks in advance.
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Nope you cannot flash a Desire S ROM to your HD2, that would never work. The ROM would need to be ported for our device first. I would imagine that someone is working on porting this for us...but we will need to wait and see...or start porting it ourselves.
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The Snapdragon application processor core, dubbed Scorpion, is Qualcomm's own design
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Don't be confused by Wiki.
Snapdragon CPU includes two processors, one is application processor and another is modem processor.
When we talk about the whole CPU, I think the name Snapdragon is more proper than Scorpion.
Source: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Android/Qualcomm/MsmChipsets
Most HTC devices have at their core Qualcomm System-on-Chip (SoC) Mobile Station Modem (MSM) integrated circuits. These are based on Advanced RISC Machines Ltd. (ARM) micro-processor and supporting systems designs. In most Smart Phone devices the SoC consists of two ARM micro-processors, one to manage the communications hardware (radio transmitters) and the other to manage the user applications and interface. These are generally known as the modem (or radio or baseband) processor and the applications (or apps) processor. These processors may not be identical since their functions are different.
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Source: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Android/Qualcomm/ProcComm
Processor Communications (an implementation of Inter Processor Communications - IPC) on Qualcomm System-on-Chip devices that have a privileged modem (a.k.a. baseband or radio) processor and less privileged applications processor is via shared memory and interrupts.
Devices based on the Qualcomm MSM and QSD SoC designs also use the Qualcomm-provided modem operating system REX and the Advanced Mobile Subscriber Service (AMSS) application running on the privileged processor - usually an ARM9 design.
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What is the diference between "htc ONE X" and "htc ONE XL?
The L in XL is for LTE, more specifically, AT&T's LTE. Tegra 3 does not support LTE yet, so the AT&T XL has the Snapdragon S4 dual core processor instead of Nvidia's offering.
is that true that the S4 are better then tegra?
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is that true that the S4 are better then tegra?
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Depends. For now, it could be better. But the reason dual core is better than quad core - most applications dont have support for quad core, they usualy use only 1 or 2 cores. At that point S4 cores are better then tegra3.
If you will do some gaming, with tegra3 games, tegra3 > S4 by alot. If you will use normal apps, then S4 could handle better.
I suggest you to w8 for XL versions to be out, so ppl can test X vs XL. So far tests was made S vs X, and it cant be 100% accurate, because the S version got smaller resolution, so the processing power compared to job it have to do is better on S version, then its on X.
tegra 3 is much better and has a geat advantage specially in benchmarks
ElMaghraby1995 said:
tegra 3 is much better and has a geat advantage specially in benchmarks
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You are gonna get a golden shovel mate, you just digged out 9 months old thread
Do you think this Nokia model is worth its price? What do you think about its specification and functions?
I think it's worth the price, it running pretty smooth even with this bad hardware, and apps is not a problem since you can use nokia own map app, and there are many third party stores where you can download more than 500k Android apps. But ofc u can get GAPPS to nokia X
But i find the device to be very good for it's price.
lolpok said:
I think it's worth the price, it running pretty smooth even with this bad hardware, and apps is not a problem since you can use nokia own map app, and there are many third party stores where you can download more than 500k Android apps. But ofc u can get GAPPS to nokia X
But i find the device to be very good for it's price.
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This device seems solid, don't know if it used tweaked qualcomm dalvik, if not it may be worth a try to have even faster device.
The specs seem reasonable for the price. Also interesting from a development and support point of view - it wasn't that long ago that low end Android phones still had 480x320 (e.g., Samsung Galaxy Young), and such phones are still on sale today. The installed userbase moves slower, so there are still phones at 480x320 or even 320x240 in use. So it's nice that for anything on Nokia X, we have an absolute minimum of 800x480.
I tried the UI out in the Nokia X emulator, and it seemed nice.
It will be interesting to see how many Android applications Nokia X launches with from Nokia's own Nokia Store. They seem to have done the cunning move of partnering with 3rd party Android app sites to port apps - I got an email telling me they'd already ported my apps, and they were ready to publish.
A 5 inch android phone from Nokia is really worth the price of just 109 euro I think. I will probably buy one as soon we can get custom roms for it.
Nokia XL
lolpok said:
I think it's worth the price, it running pretty smooth even with this bad hardware, and apps is not a problem since you can use nokia own map app, and there are many third party stores where you can download more than 500k Android apps. But ofc u can get GAPPS to nokia X
But i find the device to be very good for it's price.
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Nokia plans to release Nokia XL Q2 2014, much better specs than the first announced Nokia X, I'm worried about performance, compared to other Android devices, it runs Dual Core 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 CPU, Adreno 203 GPU, Qualcomm MSM8225 Snapdragon S4 Play chipset with 768 MB RAM.
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Nokia X, X+, XL
JJKPL said:
Do you think this Nokia model is worth its price? What do you think about its specification and functions?
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It's worth it's price, nowadays many local companies release android smartphones that are almost same as branded Smartphones, specially in terms of specifications. Nokia X & XL specifications are considered budget to mid-range bracket, according to tech blogs and forums, Some say the downside of this phone are lack of google applications, Nokia X & XL don't have applications such as Google Playstore, Google Maps & Gmail, however nokia provided applications, namely Nokia apps Store, via side-load.
IMHO it is absolutely worth the price coz in this range we have galaxy young, galaxy fame, xperia e, xperia j, lg l3, lg l5, desire 200, desire 300 all of which suck. If you buy any chinese phones then they have slow mediatek chipsets and no custom roms.
Thus to me this seems the best option in the price
Buying a nokia device is always better. 5 months back we all were using 512MB ram device . So 768 MB ram is not so low. And after seeing the quality of lumia devices we can go for X series.
Nokia is giving something different. We should try it. Its the combination of Windows phone and android so .. something what we want.
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Nokia plans to release Nokia XL Q2 2014, much better specs than the first announced Nokia X, I'm worried about performance, compared to other Android devices, it runs Dual Core 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 CPU, Adreno 203 GPU, Qualcomm MSM8225 Snapdragon S4 Play chipset with 768 MB RAM.
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What device have better specs in same price range?
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It would even be more of a worthy buy if Nokia allowed us to unlock the bootloader.
blakegriplingph said:
It would even be more of a worthy buy if Nokia allowed us to unlock the bootloader.
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Totally agree!
As a old and famous brand I belive it deserve
Although Nokia hasn't that glorious, she is still a old and famous logo, and Nokia phone looks nice than most other phones, so does the quility.
I think and believe it deserve the price, cheap and reasonable.:laugh::laugh::laugh: