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GPU?

Ok, now the the 1 Million Dollar question. I'm thinking of my HTC Nike an the whole htcclassaction Issue.
I know the Desire has an 600 MHz DSP for decoding 720p video. I know Qualcomm states that the Snapdragon does have "High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec".
I know Android 2.1 supports OpenGL ES 2.
But does the Desire have an own GPU for 3D, Graphics and GUI like the Iphone (no, I don't like the Iphone) or does it run things like Android GUI or 3D in Software?
I'm planning to buy a Desire next week, but if HTC misses again, it would be an huge point against the Desire (at least for me).

Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.

The Snapdragon can't match the OMAP 3460 in 3D performance unfortunately. Thankfully for us though, snapdragon android phones are WAY more numerous than OMAP phones so most games will be optimized for the Snapdragon

Wow, that really sucks. So i think i will wait until there is a smartphone with Tegra or maybe Tegra 2. But thanks for you reply.

If you want pure (graphics) performance you should skip qualcomm-enabled devices.
See video comparison (ToonWarz)
HTC Desire (qualcom snapdragon 1ghz + Adreno 200 GPU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVzkank7iOw
Motorola Milestone (ARM Cortex 8 550Mhz + PowerVR GPU) - min 4:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-XaaQXIxw
You can wait till Samsung Galaxy S and see how it performs.. even if i hate samsung custom UI and all iphone copying stuff
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Another example (Asphalt 5)
- Motorola Milestone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUlsfP38lSM
- HTC Desire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIEwlL73utM
As you can see the performance is better in good old Motorola Milestone.
In general, you can skip HTC cos' they always use the cheapest piece of hardware. And that's not only related to SoC (CPU, GPU) but also related to display (see the multitouch bug, a lot of videos there - Motorola Milestone doesn't suffer for this). The things I will mis about HTC are the Sense UI and trackball. Otherwise, screw htc.

OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.

Hirsch2k said:
OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.
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Neocore is Qualcomm optimized so it will always outperform the Milestone. In raw 3d power, the milestone can perform better.

Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.

Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed

Hirsch2k said:
Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I wouldn't bother.
Developers back the majority and the majority is Snapdragon powered phones, not OMAP and not whatever chip Samsung is using.

sonyxperia2 said:
Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed
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You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly

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You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly
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Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.

chrism_scotland said:
Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.
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Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Both the Snapdragon processor (Qualcomm) in the Desire, and the OMAP processor (TI) in the iPhone/Droid have integrated GPUs as part of the SoC (system on a chip).
However, the PowerVR GPU in the TI processor is more capable than the Imageon GPU in the Qualcomm.
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Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.

Nekromantik said:
Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.
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Sony (NOT SONY ERICSSON) are apparently planning on releasing a PSP phone sometime late 2010 or early 2011 from a few unconfirmed reports. That sounds like it would be a beast of a phone. I'd imagine Sony would just have the PSP OS running alongside Android or maybe they're developing a proprietary OS that runs PSP games as well as functions as a phone.

abc27 said:
Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.
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Games, in general, are using OpenGL which is standard. Qualcomm Snapdragon is similar to ARM Cortex A8: FPU, NEON etc. (see http://www.dspdesignline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204700527 )
So I'm sure that a game optimized for snapdragons will work (if not better) also on a powerVR/arm cortex a8 solution.

Many cool games are available for Android and upcoming.
Unfortunately HTC is using the cheap SoC from qualcomm so due the poor GPU the games aren't running smothly.
You can see here a comparison of Gangstar West Coast Hustle
- Nexus One (same hardware as Desire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZtM6YK9zo
- Motorola Milestone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUJwONg9UP0
As you can see the game runs way better in good old Motorola Milestone. And that's not the most powerful GPU on the mobile world.
And here you can see the Samsung Galaxy S in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4N7QAlHd4
Clearly I will not get a HTC+Qualcomm SoC (this combination) again. GG competition.
+ Those phones are not affected of the multitouch bug that is present on so many HTC devices (and many htc devices are dual touch).
htc = cheap capacitive layer, cheap soc => expensive device. does it deserve this? actually they are smart.. using cheap hardware and sell the device overpriced.
@abc27 actually HTC (also Apple on their iPhone) is using many components from Samsung, for eg: displays, ram modules... Samsung it's a top semiconductors company.. So Samsung is not a cheap company. But I have to agree, their software customizations are awful

[Q] Any chance of Xperia Play 2?

ive read that sony are thinking about making more high end andoird devices Playstation certified? Could they?

From what I gather, the "Playstation Certified" certification is to be expanded, though the lack of PSOne titles being released suggests they may be slowing up.
In the UK, there is a consensus that the launch of the Xperia Play was a bit of a flop which seems to be why it's been possible to get it relatively easily for less than £200 here which might lend to idea that there won't be a 'sequel'.

The last i heard on the subject, SE thought the Play still had plenty of mileage left in it so they were looking to support that for longer instead of doing Play 2 already

Verizon Wireless in the states is already trying to get rid of it's stock, $49.99 with 2 year contract, came out at $200 with a contract. They are discontinuing it due to lack of sales. Problem was on TV they were advertising the Droid 3, On Hulu they were doing the same advertisement for the Xperia Play.
My only complaint about the Xperia is lack of CDMA development and it's poor amount of on board memory.

dn* said:
From what I gather, the "Playstation Certified" certification is to be expanded, though the lack of PSOne titles being released suggests they may be slowing up.
In the UK, there is a consensus that the launch of the Xperia Play was a bit of a flop which seems to be why it's been possible to get it relatively easily for less than £200 here which might lend to idea that there won't be a 'sequel'.
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well, i had another theory, yes, the play didn't sell well in the UK/elsewhere, but i think its being heavily discounted/discontinued now because a play 2 is coming and now that there is no sony ericsson, sony will probably want to integrate a PSP into a phone rather then whatever the play was supposed to be
also, look at most android phones, most of them have sequels, even the unsuccessful ones
the possibilities of a true PSP phone are to great for sony to just abandon the idea now, especially after SE's half assed attempt

JasonKnight said:
Verizon Wireless in the states is already trying to get rid of it's stock, $49.99 with 2 year contract, came out at $200 with a contract. They are discontinuing it due to lack of sales. Problem was on TV they were advertising the Droid 3, On Hulu they were doing the same advertisement for the Xperia Play.
My only complaint about the Xperia is lack of CDMA development and it's poor amount of on board memory.
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When I got mine like 3 months ago the guy at the verizon store was shocked I asked for it, had 1 in stock, and almost asked me if I was on crack for even wanting it.
Meanwhile its the best 50 bucks I ever spent.

Well remember the recent news that Sony has purchased the other half of Sony Ericsson. Sony Ericsson said they don't plan on launching an Xperia Play 2 soon but now that Sony is 100% in charge, I expect something big.
I mean the Xperia Play was outdated on launch. The only thing it had going for it was the gamepad (and dual speakers )
I want a dual core or quad core Xperia Play and I am expecting one to come out next year.

Rogue Leader said:
When I got mine like 3 months ago the guy at the verizon store was shocked I asked for it, had 1 in stock, and almost asked me if I was on crack for even wanting it.
Meanwhile its the best 50 bucks I ever spent.
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Every time I call verizon the tech on the phone always asks me If I like my xperia play, Ive had maybe 3 months now and I woulda thought they just stop asking about it, maybe there checking Im not dis-pleased , nonetheless I paid 72$ and cant complain.. playing final fantasy 7 on my phone is priceless

Yeah i heard about sony buying out Sony Ericsson, would like it if they did release a sequel or something to sort themselves out

RacecarBMW said:
Well remember the recent news that Sony has purchased the other half of Sony Ericsson. Sony Ericsson said they don't plan on launching an Xperia Play 2 soon but now that Sony is 100% in charge, I expect something big.
I mean the Xperia Play was outdated on launch. The only thing it had going for it was the gamepad (and dual speakers )
I want a dual core or quad core Xperia Play and I am expecting one to come out next year.
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You really need to stop jumping on the dual core wagon! Neither android nor any applications are optimised for dual core CPU's, meaning even with the extra power there is no performance increase

I always wanted a portable emu. Xplay will be used by me for many years to come. The fact that i can make a phone call, sms, go on the internet, and take pic/video with it is just gravy. Imho this is the best device i have ever owned.

AndroHero said:
You really need to stop jumping on the dual core wagon! Neither android nor any applications are optimised for dual core CPU's, meaning even with the extra power there is no performance increase
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QFT I went from an Atrix (1.3ghz OC) to the XP and I can tell you as far as speed there is no difference. I would like to have a little more ram in the XP but it's not a big deal. When I get rid of the XP I hope there's a XP2 or something because I'll go through serious withdraws.
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I agree, dual ccore on a phone is currently a marketing scam. What good is a second core if it cant be used?
Maybe a few years from now there will be a dual core capable os but right now there isnt.
On top of that when there is all current dual core phones will be long discontinued
If you got a phone becuase its dual core just call yourself a sucker

swebosdev said:
I agree, dual ccore on a phone is currently a marketing scam. What good is a second core if it cant be used?
Maybe a few years from now there will be a dual core capable os but right now there isnt.
On top of that when there is all current dual core phones will be long discontinued
If you got a phone becuase its dual core just call yourself a sucker
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I understand that but most new developers are only releasing their games on what they call "Powerful dual core devices"
The Xperia Play is the only device that could fully use dual core because it is a real gaming phone. I'm really surprised that it wasn't more powerful. I meant at least put in that 1.4ghz processor in the ARC S. The whole Xperia Line should have launched with that processor.

Sonys ps certification announcement meant they will start licensing PS certified to other manufacturers so that they can expand their market. I'm thinking they want to eventually certify it to all android phones. It doesn't necessarily need a playpad for sony to certify it.
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AndroHero said:
You really need to stop jumping on the dual core wagon! Neither android nor any applications are optimised for dual core CPU's, meaning even with the extra power there is no performance increase
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Agreed. However if we are talking about a possible late 2012 release for the 'play 2' then can we assume there will have been more development put into the dual/quad core apps/os etc.? Especially with devices like the transformer prime coming soon, the quad cores are sure to implemented in phones next year.
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Pandasouljah said:
Agreed. However if we are talking about a possible late 2012 release for the 'play 2' then can we assume there will have been more development put into the dual/quad core apps/os etc.? Especially with devices like the transformer prime coming soon, the quad cores are sure to implemented in phones next year.
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Understood and agreed, but my comment was aimed at the fact that some people think the play is underpowered for the current generation of mobile, but the fact is although on paper the play is nothing special. The way android is atm and thanks to a couple of tricks by sony like dual channel ram, the play gamewise can hold it's own with any of the current generation of mobile, including dual core phones like the atrix
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swebosdev said:
I agree, dual ccore on a phone is currently a marketing scam. What good is a second core if it cant be used?
Maybe a few years from now there will be a dual core capable os but right now there isnt.
On top of that when there is all current dual core phones will be long discontinued
If you got a phone becuase its dual core just call yourself a sucker
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Afaik ICS will be optimised for dual core phones, Thats pretty obvious as the Galaxy Nexus (The official google developer phone for ICS) will be a dual core device

If they make a new device, Sony needs to implement actual analog sticks, not these touch pads. It would truly utilize the potential of a gaming phone and be commercially acceptable to everyone who doesn't want to deal with touch pads, especially the FPS loving crowd. The ONLY other thing I really wish the Xplay had was physical analog sticks (something like the PSP, or what the Vita will have). Sony needs to learn how to make the sticks pop out when the phone slides up. THAT would be wicked righteous amirite???

AndroHero said:
Understood and agreed, but my comment was aimed at the fact that some people think the play is underpowered for the current generation of mobile, but the fact is although on paper the play is nothing special. The way android is atm and thanks to a couple of tricks by sony like dual channel ram, the play gamewise can hold it's own with any of the current generation of mobile, including dual core phones like the atrix
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Afaik ICS will be optimised for dual core phones, Thats pretty obvious as the Galaxy Nexus (The official google developer phone for ICS) will be a dual core device
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ICS may be more optimized for dual core phones, unfortunately apps still won't be so I don't think everyone is going to see the improvement they're expecting. Heck there really aren't even many multi core apps for computers besides some games and graphic design programs. Just my .02
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AndroHero said:
You really need to stop jumping on the dual core wagon! Neither android nor any applications are optimised for dual core CPU's, meaning even with the extra power there is no performance increase
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Pretty much true yes. With ICS dual-core support will be supported as far as I know. But then it's also up to the develeper to add support for it in the app I belive?
I really notice no difference in speed on things when using my Play or my work buddies Samsung Galaxy SII. I need no dual-core that sucks more battery.

Do we really need a quad-core phone?

Hello,
I'm an existing HD2 user using CM7 ROM, and satisfy with the speed, it can fulfill my daily usage (mainly web surfing and games).
Actually I already placed an order for One X with Solo headphone, but I just questioned myself, do I (we) really need such a powerful smartphone?
From my point of view, One X comes with larger and better LCD, faster CPU, more RAM, much better camera, that's it. Compare to my daily usage, I think it won't have much difference except the LCD & camera.
I can't said One X is very expensive, but if HD2 can serve me well, should I go ahead to replace it with One X?
I'm in HK, and what I can get is 10% off from the promotion price (HKD5698 * 0.9), and I'm going to sell the Solo headphone too (around HKD800), so the phone is around HKD4xxx only, which is quite attractive.
What do you think?

It's not about need, it's about do we want! My I9000 works still well, but i want more speed, bigger screen and much better camera!
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I don't need a ferrari, but I still want one! I'm sure we could all get by with an old school nokia but like most on the forum, we want the last tech

It depends up on your need. If you play a lot of HD Games, Tons and apps and widgets and still want to run fast then Yeah you need it

I'm sure game/app devs will soon be making the most of the quad-core power. I think by the end of the year quad-core will be more or less the standard.

Yes, many of us will never need all cores but it's the must-have effect.
But there are of course games in HD which really need full power.

Need?......Not really.
Want?......Hell yeah.

craftycarper1 said:
Need?......Not really.
Want?......Hell yeah.
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Exactamundo!

i buy quad core to future proof myself since i do not change phones all that often

People have used the "Do we really need..." phrase at every single step of every single technological development since the dawn of time!

From my experience with several single-core, dual-core and quad-core phones I say:
1) If you want a fluid UI with daily-use buy a dual-core nexus phone. Or just take another dual-core phone, root it, and install a stock-like rom with ICS and above. It will work great and fast.
2) If you have a single-core phone, It will not going to run fast with any of the roms based on my exprience with HTC Desire HD and three Galaxy S phones - they just have a crappy-old processors and you need to trash them out, seriously.
3) If you want to play some Ultra-HD 3D games with your phone you need a quad-core phone.
I know that the number of cores are irrelevant to the overall speed of the processor but in android mobile phones it does - because most of the phones with a single core is older than most of the phones with dual core that older than all the quad-core phone. Thus, the number of cores that raising in this case indicates that the processor is newer and more powerful.

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Linux
I waiting for Ubuntu for Android app to become available. Then I will need four core phone
If you not a player you probably will not need computer any more. Just a monitor

In my case, i REALLY needed a new phone cuz my single core X8 was lagging, hanging and rebooting nearly everyday...I WAS going to get a new phone anyway, so why not get something which would never make me pay for it ?

If you just txt and call then you don't need a quad core or even a dual core but if ya like me then u will need a powerful handset as I control all my computers and network, emails, Nas and router and I do some gaming. So yes I can see the need basicly I run my life from my phone and the faster the better in my eyes.
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I've heard the a15 s4 one s dual core and and nexus 10 are very fast? Perhaps a dual core a15 I'd all that's needed.
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One X or One XL for Europe

Apparently the One XL will be sold in Europe: http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/05/...d-for-europe-arrives-in-stores-in-early-june/
I just ordered an International One X about an hour before reading that.
I decided on the International One X, vs Rogers or AT&T models partly due to the much better potential for ROMs and the larger userbase.
If I had read that article an hour earlier, I likely would have held off on "pushing the purchase trigger" for at least a few more days to see if popularity might shift to the XL.
But for now at least, the One X w/ Tegra3 is more popular with more custom ROM potential.
LTE speeds are not a concern for me. And I have little regard for cores or GPU, just so long as they are "fast enough".
Anyway, for me this is just "another testbench phone" among 12 for testing my app and adding proper Qualcomm FM chip support. And when I go out I just grab whichever phone has the magic grand-fathered SIM chip in it at that time.

mikereidis said:
Apparently the One XL will be sold in Europe: http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/05/...d-for-europe-arrives-in-stores-in-early-june/
I just ordered an International One X about an hour before reading that.
I decided on the International One X, vs Rogers or AT&T models partly due to the much better potential for ROMs and the larger userbase.
If I had read that article an hour earlier, I likely would have held off on "pushing the purchase trigger" for at least a few more days to see if popularity might shift to the XL.
But for now at least, the One X w/ Tegra3 is more popular with more custom ROM potential.
LTE speeds are not a concern for me. And I have little regard for cores or GPU, just so long as they are "fast enough".
Anyway, for me this is just "another testbench phone" among 12 for testing my app and adding proper Qualcomm FM chip support. And when I go out I just grab whichever phone has the magic grand-fathered SIM chip in it at that time.
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One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p

hamdir said:
One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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One XL has the aggressive memory management issue...

I doubt the XL will be released here in the UK but I will probably get it imported from Germany or something.
I don't game, so Tegra is a huge turn-off... Bigger process, runs hot, drivers are wonky...

damn, I just got my one x but really wanted the one xl, the one s just feels much faster than the one x, so I think the one xl will perform similarly...

godutch said:
damn, I just got my one x but really wanted the one xl, the one s just feels much faster than the one x, so I think the one xl will perform similarly...
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not nearly it has to deal with 4 times the pixels than the One S

hamdir said:
One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.

MrPhilo said:
Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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sorry bro you have a good point there but you can't dismiss the power of the quad
just run glowball in 2 cores disabled and the frame rate will fall to the ground
shadowgun and many THD games are actually using the quads
for gaming T3 will always be better

Seems the European One XL will have only 16GB of storage.
While, the Australian version of One XL is mentioned as 32GB
http://www.htc.com/au/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs

MrPhilo said:
Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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I believe It's actually 333mhz in our One X. Tablets have higher clock speeds for the gpu, not our phone by stock default. Of course we'll be able to OC our One Xs further.

If you're looking for dev support there's not going to be a ton based on fewer XL's being sold. It's an LTE phone and based on the limited amount of LTE deployed in Europe it won't sell nearly as many units as the Teg3 One X. I'd guess it'll also have 16GB of storage like the XL's sold in the rest of the world too.

skr_xd said:
Seems the European One XL will have only 16GB of storage.
While, the Australian version of One XL is mentioned as 32GB
http://www.htc.com/au/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
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I think this is a mistake, I went looking for some australian online shops but they al mentioned the xl only had 16GB

The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed

according to modaco website, s4 versions of hox (excluding att) are handling fastboot boot corectly. that is a plus.
16gb of difference is lame

catachresistant said:
I doubt the XL will be released here in the UK but I will probably get it imported from Germany or something.
I don't game, so Tegra is a huge turn-off... Bigger process, runs hot, drivers are wonky...
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There are some articles saying XL will land in the UK, including one from April 25. But this more recent article says no:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...htc-one-xl-unlikely-to-land-in-the-uk-1081899

hamdir said:
The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
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16 GB may be true, especially if the hardware is identical to the US/Canada XL. I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to up the memory spec in a variant though, presuming the S4 can handle more and the One XL was designed for more.
I've seen lots of debate about One X vs One XL, and I think it's debatable. I think each device has it's pluses, and I wouldn't immediately assume 4 or 5 cores are always better than 2.
I bought into the idea that the XL was effectively crippled, and the rest of the world was smart enough to ignore the XL. Now I'm not so sure.
The biggest question to me is if XL popularity will overtake X, especially among ROM developers. I've seen a few comments along the lines of "Europeans who just bought the X will be pissed".
True or not, I don't know, but time will tell.
Apparently the AT&T XL bootloader issue has a solution.
And I think/hope software problem differences between the two will eventually be minimized.
All in all, I think this is good news for XL owners, expanding the userbase and perhaps developer support (?).
For X owners, I'm not sure if it's positive, negative or neutral, but I don't think it's a big swing, unless... Unless developer interest in the XL caused a migration away from X.

hamdir said:
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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I'll trade a slightly slower gpu any day for a faster cpu, more battery life and a cooler running phone and also 4g. I doubt you'll see any games other than the few tegra 3 optimised games that would run smoothly on the One X but not the One XL.
The australian and german version is mentioned to have 32gb of storage, but will cost an arm and a leg
The 32gb One XL will be the best of the htc phones imo.
Tegra 3 is overrated, especially with the fact that it can't run at its max performance without overheating your phone.
Dev support shouldn't be an issue, all the american versions would have the S4, not to mention the One S around the world and I believe most mid range devices releasing next year would also have the S4. Just discovered the At&t also has supercid now.

Head over to gsmarena evo 4g lte review and you can see in cpu bound single thread test like benchmark pi, the snapdragon s4 is currently the fastest soc available core for core. A score of 270 puts it about 25% faster than tegra3 at the same clock. Floating point is almost 2x as fast. Since hardly any apps load up the second core on a dual core, the benefit of adding another 2 more cores is questionable. I would take the 2 more powerful and energy efficient cores anyday. Now that we have anandtech's reviews of the att one x, its adreno225 gpu has shown to be about equal to the geforce ulp. Gaming is not an issue though as currently most games run fine on adreno 205 which is several times slower than the 225.
The only drawback to the one xl is the gpu flash player performance. It seems incapable of handling 720p flash videos in browser where both mali400 and geforce ulp plays 1080p without a problem.

hamdir said:
The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
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In Hong Kong, the XL is actually more expensive then X...
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Tegra3 is a beast im sorry, in my mega thread i was the most skeptical and most worried
and now I am amazed to the floor with what this chip-set can do, like many said its the main highlight of the device
software issues with OnDemand governor has nothing to do with the processor abilities
root your device and control it and you will see how amazing it is
as for THD games they are not few, they are releasing them non stop and seriously one look into s4e2 and your mind boggles, this is PS3 quality on a mobile phone!
those who like to game, and i mean real games, not stupid phone games like angry birds, will miss out if they dismiss Tegra3
being a hardcore game seriously for the first time since i ever owned a smartphone i'm actually playing games on it
in HK XL is more expensive? most likely due to the shortage in s4 supply
but seriously its simple, if you are gonna cry about battery life and slight heat when pushed to the limits that was confirmed to be OK by the device maker (and still much lesser than iPad3) then by all means don't get the Tegra version
if you realise heat is not the end of the world, understand its due to a quad core built on a larger process, your daily lifestyle has access to recharging more often and most important KNOW HOW TO JUST ENJOY! than Tegra One X is unmatched
every reviewer complaint about the XL performance that it performs slower than the One S, all the devices i owned before were qualcomm and to be perfectly honest i say good riddance!
video decoding issues are never ending with Qual CPUs not to mention they are unmatched to Nvidia's app developers support
biggest surprise? Nvidia continuous updates to their Tegra3 Kernel source, our kernel devs like Franco keep on porting to our One X

Question about the new XL 4G from China

It looks like Microsoft Mobile is about to launch a new XL version for chinese market, with 4G LTE support, Ram 1GB and quad-core cpu 1.2ghz.
It's really interesting.
The Nokia X Platform won't be 2.0 like the Nokia X2 but always Nokia X v.1 Platform.
Do you think it will be possible to root it like the others first generation Nokia X?
Will you work to give it a very cool new rom?

DainoManthis said:
It looks like Microsoft Mobile is about to launch a new XL version for chinese market, with 4G LTE support, Ram 1GB and quad-core cpu 1.2ghz.
It's really interesting.
The Nokia X Platform won't be 2.0 like the Nokia X2 but always Nokia X v.1 Platform.
Do you think it will be possible to root it like the others first generation Nokia X?
Will you work to give it a very cool new rom?
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The only problem with Nokia (no offense) is getting the source code released, both device and kernel. If that can be done, than you can expect everything for that bad boy too.