Snappy enough? - Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A

Got hold a 2013 model (16GB/WIFI), I've put Purity ROM which I believe is running stock kernel. I must admit, I was expecting it to be a little bit snappier, not sure if I am being too harsh on it, having used a Nexus 5 every day since release day. I've uploaded a quick video, does it look about right?

Looks fine to me. What is the problem?

t0p8uzz said:
Got hold a 2013 model (16GB/WIFI), I've put Purity ROM which I believe is running stock kernel. I must admit, I was expecting it to be a little bit snappier, not sure if I am being too harsh on it, having used a Nexus 5 every day since release day. I've uploaded a quick video, does it look about right?
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Looks fine to me. You can try cutting back on the animations a bit or adding a custom kernel like ElementalX if you want a bit of a boost.
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LinearEquation said:
Looks fine to me. You can try cutting back on the animations a bit or adding a custom kernel like ElementalX if you want a bit of a boost.
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How can I cut back on the animation properly? When i dropped the transitions to .5 in dev mode, my screen went mental and start going red etc

Keep in mind that the Nexus 5 is a different processor. The N5 has a Snapdragon 800 while the N7.2 has a Snapdragon 600.
But aside from that...the tab is moving just fine.

AarSyl said:
Keep in mind that the Nexus 5 is a different processor. The N5 has a Snapdragon 800 while the N7.2 has a Snapdragon 600.
But aside from that...the tab is moving just fine.
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The CPU difference should not to be seen from the video as it is only showing the UI and app opening experiences. During those times, mostly either the CPU is jumping what's most close higher to 800MHz or GPU is kicking one step up. Either way, running some UI elements or opening app animations on 60 FPS is not forcing neither of the Socs to their max frequencies (I am talking about Snapdragon S600 and S800).
I have watched the video very carefully under different resolutions to make sure of the snappiness. The only part that seems like under 30 FPS is where "app drawer" is called. But that's only because it's a bad animation trick. The best way to make sure the UI is running at (or above) 60FPS is to see how "recent apps" are fading away when "clear recents" button is pressed or scroll up and down thgouth mails (SMSs if it's a phone).
And also enabling "force GPU rendering" and "sdisable hardware overlays" options under develper options will certainly help.

Yeah, seems about right, you can probably get some more snap out of it by using a kernel that will let you boost the clock a bit. The N7 can at least be boosted to 1.7ghz without even trying, and 2.0 is not unheard of.

Thanks for the confirmation fellas ...

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When the phone is rooted, will it fix...?

the small lag people are reporting with this version of the gs2? I know the attnt and other versions dont have that random mini lag that happens once in a while. Would rooting this and installing other roms potentially fix this or is it strictly a processor problem?
Thanks
yup. Like they did with the sensation.
Your'e Welcome!
logged101 said:
the small lag people are reporting with this version of the gs2? I know the attnt and other versions dont have that random mini lag that happens once in a while. Would rooting this and installing other roms potentially fix this or is it strictly a processor problem?
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It definitely isn't the processor to blame. Its software based.
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Yeah optimization is one thing that was left out of the equation. I hope Samsung fixes some of the small bugs.
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Yeah optimization is one thing that was left out of the equation. I hope Samsung fixes some of the small bugs.
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Its just tiny bugs. Nothing major thank God. I don't know about you guys but I can definitely live with it.
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Its just tiny bugs. Nothing major thank God. I don't know about you guys but I can definitely live with it.
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I can live with it, but I'd like to see it fixed with a custom rom or software update. It's still mildly annoying to have a 1.5ghz that underperforms the 1.2 exynos. I imagine when the exynos is overclocked its even more of a beast
Wouldn't be surprised if it was the bloatware making it lag.
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I can live with it, but I'd like to see it fixed with a custom rom or software update. It's still mildly annoying to have a 1.5ghz that underperforms the 1.2 exynos. I imagine when the exynos is overclocked its even more of a beast
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Definitely agree!!! I think Samsung will fix it soon. This is one of their flagship phones so we should be covered. I have faith in Samsung this time around.
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Wouldn't be surprised if it was the bloatware making it lag.
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Bloatware wouldn't cause this powerful processor to lag. The software just isn't optimized enough for it.
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I can live with it, but I'd like to see it fixed with a custom rom or software update. It's still mildly annoying to have a 1.5ghz that underperforms the 1.2 exynos. I imagine when the exynos is overclocked its even more of a beast
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Actually this will always under perform compared to exynos. Asynchronous will always act as as individual processors. The gpu is the best thing about the exynos. The s3 snapdragon is quite on par with other features. Flash acceleration , Also they are able to be undervolted far more than the exynos processor. This includes both processors saving battery life greatly. For better gpu performance you can also increase the gpu frequency. Touchwiz lags because it was optimized for mali-400 not for adreno 220. If you run any other rom I am pretty sure the lag will be no more.
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Actually this will always under perform compared to exynos. Asynchronous will always act as as individual processors. The gpu is the best thing about the exynos. The s3 snapdragon is quite on par with other features. Flash acceleration , Also they are able to be undervolted far more than the exynos processor. This includes both processors saving battery life greatly. For better gpu performance you can also increase the gpu frequency. Touchwiz lags because it was optimized for mali-400 not for adreno 220. If you run any other rom I am pretty sure the lag will be no more.
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When you say another rom, do you mean with touchwiz or without.
Crapware services
OuncE718 said:
Bloatware wouldn't cause this powerful processor to lag. The software just isn't optimized enough for it.
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Not to disagree (especially with a senior member but there are so many horses ass crapware services running and system tools for monitoring and spying for tethering and such, if all of these uneeded and unecessary services could be killed I'm sure that would help alot. I cant seem to stop the following services (digital clock, tetheringmanager, wifi sharing, etc). I'm constantly going in and killing as many services as I can and it helps some. WTH is "device management"? Don't recall seeing that on other android phones?
I can't wait for an aosp or cleaned up ROM where all these silly T-Mobile apps are gone! Tmobile mall, more for me, seriously? I'm loving this phone, at times I blink and I'm like wow, that was hella fast. The occasional lag isnt too big of a deal for me. Will be nice once a rooted kernal comes out and we can bump it up a few mhz.
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OuncE718 said:
Definitely agree!!! I think Samsung will fix it soon. This is one of their flagship phones so we should be covered. I have faith in Samsung this time around.
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Nothing in Samsung's history should lead you to believe this.
FWIW, a lot of lag was eliminated from SGSI by converting to ext4. This is already ext4, though, I believe.
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When you say another rom, do you mean with touchwiz or without.
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If can be for touchwiz or without. Its all about fixes and optimization. Before i had this phone i had a mytouch 4g its runs sense 3.0 better than a stock sensation does. Not only is my gpu weaker but also im running on a single core. Personally i don't see the reason to run touchwiz when ice cream for cyanogenmod and miui will be out faster than touchwiz with ice cream.
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Actually this will always under perform compared to exynos. Asynchronous will always act as as individual processors. The gpu is the best thing about the exynos. The s3 snapdragon is quite on par with other features. Flash acceleration , Also they are able to be undervolted far more than the exynos processor. This includes both processors saving battery life greatly. For better gpu performance you can also increase the gpu frequency. Touchwiz lags because it was optimized for mali-400 not for adreno 220. If you run any other rom I am pretty sure the lag will be no more.
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Sounds about right, because its smooth in other areas.. but in TouchWiz homescreen it stutters (even after a reboot).. Once that issue is fixed, it'll make the purchase easier for me.. but i'm also waiting for the Nexus Prime announcement in the next 3.5 hours.. But yea, hopefully the next OTA update optimizes TW4 over the S3.
J-Hop2o6 said:
Sounds about right, because its smooth in other areas.. but in TouchWiz homescreen it stutters (even after a reboot).. Once that issue is fixed, it'll make the purchase easier for me.. but i'm also waiting for the Nexus Prime announcement in the next 3.5 hours.. But yea, hopefully the next OTA update optimizes TW4 over the S3.
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Hope I'm wrong, but I would bet a lot of money that it won't. Devs will have to do it.
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Sounds about right, because its smooth in other areas.. but in TouchWiz homescreen it stutters (even after a reboot).. Once that issue is fixed, it'll make the purchase easier for me.. but i'm also waiting for the Nexus Prime announcement in the next 3.5 hours.. But yea, hopefully the next OTA update optimizes TW4 over the S3.
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The next update should be gingerbread 2.3.7 to enable nfc capabilities and fix some of the bugs. After that we will have a long wait for a brand new android update. Well unless your on xda
the next upgrade i think we'll jump directly to ICS 4.0 according to last night announcement
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the next upgrade i think we'll jump directly to ICS 4.0 according to last night announcement
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Do you think we'll get an upgrade to ICS 4.0 before custom roms make it to our device?
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Do you think we'll get an upgrade to ICS 4.0 before custom roms make it to our device?
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if that happens, it'll be a freaking awesome turn around for Samsung

Why is the Nexus so laggy compared to other phones?

I mean the frames are just so slow when you press the app drawer button. I even have it rooted and tried different ROMS and kernals, but I'm beginning to think it is ICS itself. I had a Sensation that seemed like it was running at 60 FPS and it was just smooth. When people say that their Nexus phone is running "buttery smooth" I'm sure they're blind. After playing with my girl friends SGS2, I'm completely jealous of how smooth and snappy her phone is compared to mine.
So the question is, why the hell is Nexus or ICS so damn slow and choppy compared to other phones like the SGS2 and my old Sensation?
Its not...are you overclocked? That could cause stutteryness. Maybe you should try restarting he phone or clearing RAM? My phone is buttery smooth, faster than any other phone I've seen.
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i hate to say this, but your either trolling or you have a broken phone.
out of every phone i've owned. (including the Sensation and the Galaxy Note) my GF's Nexus is by far the smoothest out of all of them. the closest one i've owned in 'smoothness' was the Note. followed by the Sensation. difference is the Sensation took 1.7GHz to get to anywhere near smooth. whereas the Note and the Nexus were/are bone stock.
For the 1st time you call the app drawer it could be a bit lag, but I can hardly observe that without this thread.
Maybe its your phone. Have you tried another one? My co-worker just got one and he also has occasional lag when he goes back and fourth from the app drawer to the home screen. He returned it, got another and he was able to duplicate the problem. I've had mine since day one and have never had any lag issues, and yes mine is "buttery smooth", and no I'm not blind. We figured it must be a bad batch.
My Galaxy Nexus is way smoother than my Galaxy S2.
my phone is smooth.
OP is nut. Sorry friend. I am unlocked rooted 4.0.4 no mods at all and this phone is fast as one could hope for.
You must have a software bug or something, my UI is easily hitting the 60fps mark and buttery smooth compared to all my previous android phones.
mines buttery smooth
Lol someone is trolling.
coled91 said:
mines buttery smooth
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Can I haz that on my scone pleasez
monkey hung said:
I mean the frames are just so slow when you press the app drawer button. I even have it rooted and tried different ROMS and kernals, but I'm beginning to think it is ICS itself. I had a Sensation that seemed like it was running at 60 FPS and it was just smooth. When people say that their Nexus phone is running "buttery smooth" I'm sure they're blind. After playing with my girl friends SGS2, I'm completely jealous of how smooth and snappy her phone is compared to mine.
So the question is, why the hell is Nexus or ICS so damn slow and choppy compared to other phones like the SGS2 and my old Sensation?
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Don't use LWP's.
I knew you guys would say stupid **** like this. No it's not OC and not I'm not trolling. I'm just f'in disappointed. To me it looks just choppy. It's not just my phone but all Nexus devices that I have seen.
It just feels like it's frame rate is low. If your looking at your home screen, you have some widgets and press the home button to fly back to the main screen, you can see the frames just drop. It's stupid.
It doesn't hold a candle to my old sensation or the sgs2 that I've played with.
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omersak said:
Don't use LWP's.
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LWP's? What's that? Also I'm running the GSM version. I get the occasional home screen lag when going into and out of the app drawer. I highly doubt it's a bug or a hardware issue.
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monkey hung said:
LWP's? What's that? Also I'm running the GSM version.
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Don't use live wallpapers. Aside from a few of the bundled ones, they're all made for 800x480, and even the optimized ones don't help the framerates.
No worries man, I know what you are talking about but its more to do with the Resolution of the Nexus's screen more than anything. Its pretty taxing on the phone to pull off the resolutions its rendering but it can tweaked to be pretty smooth and fast. The launcher on the Sensation is very optimized whereas the SGS2 is overly powerful that it can run pretty much anything at full blast due to the superior GPU on the SoC. Luckily our phone can run 2D graphics and calculations faster than any other phone on the market even being clocked at 1.2 Ghz.
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chirea.mircea said:
Don't use live wallpapers. Aside from a few of the bundled ones, they're all made for 800x480, and even the optimized ones don't help the framerates.
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I'm using a static wallpaper. I know quadrant scores don't mean anything as with antutu but I got some pretty high scores around 7000 with antutu but the FPS is still bad. Maybe I can show a video to you guys!
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No worries man, I know what you are talking about but its more to do with the Resolution of the Nexus's screen more than anything. Its pretty taxing on the phone to pull off the resolutions its rendering but it can tweaked to be pretty smooth and fast. The launcher on the Sensation is very optimized whereas the SGS2 is overly powerful that it can run pretty much anything at full blast due to the superior GPU on the SoC. Luckily our phone can run 2D graphics and calculations faster than any other phone on the market even being clocked at 1.2 Ghz.
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Really? I didn't know that last bit. Hopefully the galaxy nexus plus rumors are true. I would aim for that.
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The Galaxy Nexus, even with roms, is not as fast as the Exynos GSII

I have a GSM Galaxy Nexus and it has AOKP build 25 with Fugomod kernel on it and this thing still is laggy. I tried many different roms and kernels and it still lags. I'm pretty sure my GSII was faster.
Some people say they have a buttery smooth Nexus and I'm jealous of you because mine feels like a 700mhz single core phone with 256mb of ram.
What's the deal? Why is it lagging (stock keyboard, browsing, app drawer, etc)
And I'm not trying to "bash". I want to keep the phone but the slowness is frustrating.
UPDATE 2/27/11 - I wiped my phone and flashed the Apex 1.02 Rom and now the phone is really fast. Some occasional hiccups but not a big deal.
I'm a very happy GN owner now.
You're holding it wrong.
Edit: somebody delete this thread, OP posted exact same post on a similar oriented thread..
bk201doesntexist said:
You're holding it wrong.
Edit: somebody delete this thread, OP posted exact same post on a similar oriented thread..
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I accidentally posted it in a thread I was reading.
You are either doing it wrong or trolling. My guess is trolling.
Aridon said:
You are either doing it wrong or trolling. My guess is trolling.
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So nobody can state their Galaxy Nexus is laggy? If so then you're a troll? I don't understand that logic.
I'm so sick of people comparing the galaxy nexus to the gs2. They are different classes of phones. The gs2 is running on a screen with a much lower resolution and an old version of android. If I take my PC which runs any game great on my 19" monitor and then connect it to my 46" HDTV the same games run laggy because my video card is working much harder to run the game at the higher resolution. Also if I play a game on windows xp and then play the same game on windows 7 the game tends to run slower because as operating systems evolve they tend to need more resources and also add new enhancements that add more strain on the hardware. I'm sure you can put android 4.0 on a HTC dream but will it run well? Not a chance because android 4.0 uses more juice then android 1.5 that the dream came with. I bet if you could install android 2.3 on the galaxy nexus it would fly like a bat out of hell.
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I came from an E4GT and my GN feels just as fast.
Put foxhound 1.1 stock,my phone runs buttery smooth and Ferrari fast,with 24hrs of battery,everything on,3hr screen. You gotta find the right rom kernel combo man.I pottered around with aokp and apex and Franco for 2 months and then tried foxhound one day. Never going back. Just keep at it. Its fun man.
And guys please don't flame the guy,its very distasteful.
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OMG MEGAHERTZ PROCESSOR RACE!!1
I don't quite get it. Is this a pissing contest? The Gnex runs way fast for a cellphone.
Maybe I'm getting old.
crossover37 said:
So nobody can state their Galaxy Nexus is laggy? If so then you're a troll? I don't understand that logic.
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cablemike01 said:
I'm so sick of people comparing the galaxy nexus to the gs2. They are different classes of phones. The gs2 is running on a screen with a much lower resolution and an old version of android. If I take my PC which runs any game great on my 19" monitor and then connect it to my 46" HDTV the same games run laggy because my video card is working much harder to run the game at the higher resolution. Also if I play a game on windows xp and then play the same game on windows 7 the game tends to run slower because as operating systems evolve they tend to need more resources and also add new enhancements that add more strain on the hardware. I'm sure you can put android 4.0 on a HTC dream but will it run well? Not a chance because android 4.0 uses more juice then android 1.5 that the dream came with. I bet if you could install android 2.3 on the galaxy nexus it would fly like a bat out of hell.
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Ok I get what you're saying but Google knew this so why didn't they add a more powerful GPU to handle these issues?
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Put foxhound 1.1 stock,my phone runs buttery smooth and Ferrari fast,with 24hrs of battery,everything on,3hr screen. You gotta find the right rom kernel combo man.I pottered around with aokp and apex and Franco for 2 months and then tried foxhound one day. Never going back. Just keep at it. Its fun man.
And guys please don't flame the guy,its very distasteful.
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I'll try foxhound, thanks.
What's your reason for not using the latest 18.4 Franco Kernel and instead opting for the 14.4 version.
crossover37 said:
I'll try foxhound, thanks.
What's your reason for not using the latest 18.4 Franco Kernel and instead opting for the 14.4 version.
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Unsure about that poster's experience, but 18.4 is awesome for me, and so far synergises really well with CM9.
crossover37 said:
So nobody can state their Galaxy Nexus is laggy? If so then you're a troll? I don't understand that logic.
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You said:
"Some people say they have a buttery smooth Nexus and I'm jealous of you because mine feels like a 700mhz single core phone with 256mb of ram."
That is so far outside the norm that you are either trolling, have a defective device or flashed and did something so screwed up that its messing with your device. So either:
1. Do a complete wipe, including formatting data, cache, dalvik and system. Install AOKP, gaaps with trinity kernel (basic one for all devices). Reboot. Download auto start manager and kill anything like maps or talk that you don't want running at startup. Go into settings and set cpu to 1.2, 400mhz with on demand or performance scaling. Set on boot checked. Reboot. Then tell me the phone is slow.
2. Don't use live wall paper. Most of them are not optimized for ICS
3. Return your device and get another one its broken.
My laptop is faster than your GSII.
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Ok I get what you're saying but Google knew this so why didn't they add a more powerful GPU to handle these issues?
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because google knows this is already powerful enough and the only place that it would make a difference is in benchmarks. Remember the nexus is the reference phone the developers are supposed to base their applications on. So in theory all app should run perfectly on all nexus devices. Basically any app made in 2012 should run perfectly on this phone. Think of it this way this is the minimum hardware requirements for apps and if a manufacturer goes beyond the specs its all gravy basically bragging rights but realistically this device has more than enough power to handle what google intended it for.
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I'll play since I've recently made the jump as well and I think I'm coming in with an "unbiased" opinion. Keep in mind I'm much happier with my GN than I was with my I9100, which I'm also keeping at least until kernel source is released for ICS. Using CM9 on the Nexus and using CM9 on the SGSII, no comparison for me, Nexus wins, hands down as far as fluidity and feel goes, ignoring the fact that so many things still don't work on the SGSII.
There are ever so slight cpu and gpu advantages that I've noticed on the SGSII. Very occasionally might be felt as a lag or stutter. For the most part however I find the GN "smoother" over all. Alternative launchers (Nova) lag for me on the GN going in/out of the app drawer, but removing widgets from the app drawer cured that. I may have to wait an extra second, maybe two, for the desktop to be fully fluid following a boot. I've never experienced keyboard lag, or alike.
In the end however, I didn't buy the GN because I thought it would kill the SGSII performance wise and the specs didn't lead me to believe that would be the case. A couple of non-performance or Android related things I really appreciate are the feel of the phone in my hand, and the action of the buttons. What I used to jokingly refer to as the "panty liner shape" of the phone is comfortable in my pocket.
It might take some more kernel experimenting on your part to find one that feels good for you. When I was on AOKP I found Leankernel to be absolutely buttery. Slight cpu/gpu advantages aside, I feel that the GN is the better phone overall and it's still a bloody fast unit, and my next device will be a Nexus as well. I'd say 95% of the time the phone feels as fast, and potentially more fluid, than my old phone.
So this year we're gonna have all these new quad core phones coming out which is great, but when the new version of android comes out we will get it right away and all those new quad core phones will be waiting up to a year to get it and by then the new version of android will be out yet again. You don't get a nexus phone for it's powerful processor look for it support and long term commitment. I had 5 android phones in the last year and I will never get anything other then a nexus because of all the stress I had trying to get updates for my other phones. My last phone the optimus 3 d was a very good phone butwe just got gingerbread a few weeks ago and lg is saying we will get ice cream sandwich in the third quarter f 2012. By then my nexus phone will probably have the new version of android. And I'm sure that lg will be dropping support for that phone because they'll have a new 1 out. But my nexus phone will most likely be supported through 2013.
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The OMAP SoC in the Galaxy Nexus is superior to that in the GS2. It was the best SoC available for the release date they wanted.
Maybe the Exynos can benchmark higher but as Fancisco pointed out
"Most GPU workloads on 4460 with a 720p screen are limited by the
memory bandwidth, not the GPU computation ability"
I am fairly sure the OMAP SoC we have has a much higher memory bandwidth than the GS2 ^.^
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The OMAP SoC in the Galaxy Nexus is superior to that in the GS2. It was the best SoC available for the release date they wanted.
Maybe the Exynos can benchmark higher but as Fancisco pointed out
"Most GPU workloads on 4460 with a 720p screen are limited by the
memory bandwidth, not the GPU computation ability"
I am fairly sure the OMAP SoC we have has a much higher memory bandwidth than the GS2 ^.^
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Not quite. Not sure about the exact memory channel speed but they both utilize same exact memory setup dual channel LPDDR2
OMAP was the SoC that Google chose
It's essentially a terrible choice with grossly outdated gpu in a platform where GPU will start to drive every day operation
This isn't to say that Mali400MP setup is the greatest in the GPU choice but eventhough it's inefficient, it's able to push through with raw power
I may get a bit of flake for this but Nexus does micro-stutter in some instances in places like the stock app drawer (this is addressed with nova launcher but question was does the GNex stutter).
I wouldn't blame the slight lagginess or stutters on the hardware just yet seeing how ICS is still fairly new and there is also the issue with maturity of apps running ICS.
Thanks guys for your responses. I'm not trying to be a pain; just annoyed that my old phone felt smoother.
I installed Apex rom and so far it feels very fast so hopefully it will stay this way. I kept the kernel that was packaged with the rom.
Another reason I thought it was slow was because I would type on the desktop site of XDA. Using the app doesn't cause the keyboard lag. It still is strange why the keyboard would lag like that while posting on XDA.

My Thoughts On Android 4.0.4 (GSM) GNexus

So as a person who has ranted on this board before on how ****ty 4.0.2 was, I just wanted to give my thoughts on 4.0.4
The main point I want to make is that this update is really really really good!
Good Points:
-WAY Smoother overall.
-Browser Is WAY smoother and much better at rendering pages properly (Big thing for me since I constantly use the browser throughout my day).
-I don't think chrome is even necessary at this point. They will probably just merge the two.
-Camera seems much better, although my not a huge photo guy.
-Battery life is incredible! On 4.0.2 I would barely make it till the end of my day (6pm-9pm). Right now I still have 68% left. My results aren't the norm since, I rarely use the phone for long periods of times. But the difference is definitely noticeable in my daily useage.
-Switching between 3G/4G seems much better now. Everything tends load quicker now. (Twitter, browser, pulse, etc.)
There are other good points, but these are what most matter to me.
Bad Points:
-Still a slight lag between pushing multitask button and the apps showing up. But it is much improved over 4.0.2
-Some slight lag when opening app-drawer (transition is not smooth, but not bad either) However in app-drawer everything is smooth
-Minor gripe that might only bother me, is that the calender widget now shows the colored squares that represent different calendars in the middle of the box for each event, I thought it looked much better when it was smaller and in the top left corner.
There might be others, but these are what really bug me.
So yea, I think this is great update and this how the nexus should have launched.
Btw I am curious about what SMP PREEMPT Mar 13 means under kernel version?
Thanks for taking the time to read this. =)
In the secret menu (you can access dialing *#*#4636#*#*, in the first section) It is selected 'WCDMA Preferrer' or GSM/CDMA Auto (PRL)?
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-Some slight lag when opening app-drawer (transition is not smooth, but not bad either) However in app-drawer everything is smooth
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Are you using a live wallpaper? I noticed this too until I switched to a static wallpaper.
My main favorite of the update is auto-brightness actually works now, and has nice transitions when increasing/decreasing the brightness.
No native mounting of USB OTG storage yet though
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In the secret menu (you can access dialing *#*#4636#*#*, in the first section) It is selected 'WCDMA Preferrer' or GSM/CDMA Auto (PRL)?
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Wow, I did not even know about this menu. Mine has WCDMA Preferrer, should I change this to GSM? I am on T-Mobile
catpunt said:
Are you using a live wallpaper? I noticed this too until I switched to a static wallpaper.
My main favorite of the update is auto-brightness actually works now, and has nice transitions when increasing/decreasing the brightness.
No native mounting of USB OTG storage yet though
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Thanks! You were right on, now the transition is really smooth after I switched to static wallpaper. Hopefully they can fix the problem with live wallpapers down the line and hopefully it is not a GPU limitation.
4.0.4 fixed the Wi-Fi drop out problem with some routers.
This's a really big improvement.
My Bluetooth works now .on 4.0.2 yakju it didnt
Mrbigshot said:
Wow, I did not even know about this menu. Mine has WCDMA Preferrer, should I change this to GSM? I am on T-Mobile
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Keep it on default. (Wcdma prefered)
Multitouch bug has gone
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Mrbigshot said:
Thanks! You were right on, now the transition is really smooth after I switched to static wallpaper. Hopefully they can fix the problem with live wallpapers down the line and hopefully it is not a GPU limitation.
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GPU limitation I'd say, same GPU that's in the Nexus S.
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gonucks said:
GPU limitation I'd say, same GPU that's in the Nexus S.
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Not the same GPU.
It has been beefed up considerably.
Nexus S GPU runs slower and is fed by single channel ram.
gonucks said:
GPU limitation I'd say, same GPU that's in the Nexus S.
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Same, but different.
Galaxy Nexus has an overclocked version.....also its being fed by dual-channel memory now. It's on average 100% faster in GL benchmark off-screen tests. Though dual-core CPU plays a bit of a role but GL benchmark is mainly GPU. So yea on average you can expect the Galaxy Nexus SGX540 to be about 100% faster than the Nexus S SGX540 or about double the GPU performance.
Of course, it still pales in comparison to SGX544mp2 and Mali-400
But I doubt it's GPU limitation holding back live wallpapers.....more like live-wallpapers not being optimized. I'd prefer to run a black background or something anyway to save battery....live wallpapers were fun for a little bit, but got boring fast.
You can check it out on anandtech
Edit: ^^ beat to post by 2 minutes haha
Is our gpu really that much slower than mali though? I thought i saw one particular benchmark between the two like 8 Mflops vs 5 Mflops...seems same ballpark to me. Just a lot more pixels to push in the HD screen
Over in the G note forum a thread exists claiming their mali gpu is too weak for their screen and that they experience stutters and lag. Makes me not feel so bad having our current gpu.
RogerPodacter said:
Is our gpu really that much slower than mali though? I thought i saw one particular benchmark between the two like 8 Mflops vs 5 Mflops...seems same ballpark to me. Just a lot more pixels to push in the HD screen
Over in the G note forum a thread exists claiming their mali gpu is too weak for their screen and that they experience stutters and lag. Makes me not feel so bad having our current gpu.
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Haha, really?
One thing that I am happy about is that on the lockscreen when you go to camera it goes straight into the camera rather than going to the homescreen AND THEN going into the camera app.
Why is panorama square? Is it just happening on my end? Started with 4.0.2 it's been square not rectangular shape.
RogerPodacter said:
Is our gpu really that much slower than mali though? I thought i saw one particular benchmark between the two like 8 Mflops vs 5 Mflops...seems same ballpark to me. Just a lot more pixels to push in the HD screen
Over in the G note forum a thread exists claiming their mali gpu is too weak for their screen and that they experience stutters and lag. Makes me not feel so bad having our current gpu.
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It's slower....around 50% slower than the Mali-400. But it's definitely not too weak.
There are a lot of things to account for.......the TI OMAP has HD coding capabilities which help it display things to the 1280x720 screen the Galaxy Nexus has much much easier and faster while being less "performance hungry" it's a pro of the TI OMAP that very few people take into account....Exynos can hold its ground though. In general though, the TI OMAP is a bit faster CPU wise than the Exynos, they trade blow really.
Nothing we use our phones for are really even taxing the GPU/CPU. Yea a few games here and there, but the Nexus can run them all fine. Android in general isn't really "Great" for playing games compared to iOS at leeast because of fragmentation etc...but it's great to use it for daily use and it does it's job.
Maybe when we start doing some crazy video/photo editing on smartphones.....CPU/GPU will play a much larger role. The biggest leap for android was probably single to dual-core and now, things aren't as big of a leap in general user experience performance.
So what custom ROM is the OP running? As he mentioned smoother 3G/4G switching...
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So what custom ROM is the OP running? As he mentioned smoother 3G/4G switching...
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He's talking about the stock 4.0.4 OTA.
I think most people are getting a little overexcited about the "smoothness".
In my experience, 4.0.4 is not really "WAY SMOOTHER". I personally can't tell the difference and I pay a lot of attention to stuff like smooth transitions, scrolling, delays, multitasking, ...
The battery life is definitely improved though. I get a lot more "screen" and a lot less "android os".

Blurred graphics in NFS Most Wanted

I bought this game recently on sale and installed on my brand-new Nexus 7 (32GB with 3G). However, graphics seems blurred - like it was set for low quality, or prepared to run on lower resolution. That's strange, because all menus and main menu are normal. The problem is that there is no graphics settings in NFS. Is there any possibility of changing graphics to sharp? I'm running CyanogenMod 10.1 nightlies. On my Galaxy S3 (CyanogenMod 10) everything is OK - smooth with sharp edges.
Was thinking about purchasing it today but I'm not if this a reoccurring problem for people. Has this happened to anyone else?
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I bought this game recently on sale and installed on my brand-new Nexus 7 (32GB with 3G). However, graphics seems blurred - like it was set for low quality, or prepared to run on lower resolution. That's strange, because all menus and main menu are normal. The problem is that there is no graphics settings in NFS. Is there any possibility of changing graphics to sharp? I'm running CyanogenMod 10.1 nightlies. On my Galaxy S3 (CyanogenMod 10) everything is OK - smooth with sharp edges.
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What kernel are you running?
Try metalice A25 with the GPU clock at 666. Should fix it.
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I'm not having any issues. I've heard people having issues with non-stock kernels with this game. That may be your problem.
I didn't install any custom kernel, it's running on CM one (screenshot attached). I prefer original CM kernel to custom ones. I'll try tweaking settings in performance tab.
EDIT: Nothing interesting in performance settings.
Yea I remember reading it has something g to do with the higher CPU max on custom kernels that makes the graphics like that.. I've only been able to have it right on bone stock from google even on stock cm I had the issue
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Yea I remember reading it has something g to do with the higher CPU max on custom kernels that makes the graphics like that.. I've only been able to have it right on bone stock from google even on stock cm I had the issue
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But in CM kernel doesn't have overclocked frequencies, max one is 1300. What's more, cars in garage and before race are showed in full quality, nice and with sharp edges. After starting the race graphic becomes blurry.
No problems for me, it's always ran smooth. Running PA2.50 w/ franco.Kernel r25. No overclocked CPU or GPU
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AFAIK, there is no franco kernel for 3G version and I doubt that version for non-cellular Nexus works with cellular one. Anyone knows what can be done to increase quality without changing ROM (CM 10.1) and kernel?
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I downloaded it the other day but I've yet to play the game on mine. I use AOKP with the stock kernel, so hopefully I don't have these problems.
I just hate how it uses 2GB of space when the description only says it needs 550MB!

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