Hello fellow Canadian GSIII owners: please see below and note which forum you should be looking in for ROMs for your devices:
AT&T forum: SGH-I747 (AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus and SaskTel)
T-Mobile forum: SGH-T999 (T-Mobile, Wind, Mobilicity and Videotron)
Sprint forum: SPH-L710 (Sprint only)
Verizon forum: SGH-I535 (Verizon only)
Developers, please put carrier support in the title of your threads. Thank you!
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Hello XDA,
Can we please get an android development forum for Rogers, Bell, Telus and Wind? Rogers/Bell/Telus phones are SGH-I747M and the Wind version is the SGH-T999, but they all have different basebands and stock ROMs. Trying to put Canadian threads in AT&T and Sprint forums will result in a big mess.
Alternatively, instead of separating by carrier, separate by model number. Keep all the I747 development threads in one forum and T999 threads in another. Then people can put the carrier into the title of the post.
Just something to think about.
Thanks!
I agree. But AFAIK, the Wind/Mobilicity/Videotron S3 is the same as T-Mobile's, not Sprint's.
TLS2000 said:
I agree. But AFAIK, the Wind/Mobilicity/Videotron S3 is the same as T-Mobile's, not Sprint's.
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Indeed it is. I stand corrected.
TLS2000 said:
I agree. But AFAIK, the Wind/Mobilicity/Videotron S3 is the same as T-Mobile's, not Sprint's.
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and the Rogers is the same as AT&T's
historically Rogers and AT&T have been interchangeable in almost every aspect on all the devices they shared. Rogers uses the exact same frequencies as AT&T, and the devices are the same aside from some minor differences in bloat, lte toggle, and native wifi tether
What about the Telus, does that fall under at&t also?
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I agree very hard to follow on what is for which phone, not going to take any chances until things are a little more clear. Still have the old S1 to mess with.
rail205 said:
What about the Telus, does that fall under at&t also?
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I agree very hard to follow on what is for which phone, not going to take any chances until things are a little more clear. Still have the old S1 to mess with.
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AT&T, Rogers, Bell and Telus have the same phone, the SGH-I747. But just because it's the same hardware does not mean it's the same software. It may or may not have different basebands and certainly has different carrier customizations. As Pirateghost mentioned, AT&T removes some features in its ROM (software), the most important being, at least for me, the ability to tether. So if you flash a rooted AT&T ROM on your Canadian device, it will most likely work but you will lose features(!) That's why we need to be very clear about what carrier each ROM is for. Furthermore, if you flash the wrong baseband (i.e. flash a Rogers baseband on a Bell phone), your phone may not work as a phone or it may connect to the wrong network and you will be charged roaming fees. At the moment, I can see that AT&T has a different baseband version from Bell, but Rogers and Bell seem to have the same baseband version. Are they interchangeable? I have no idea. Anyway, it's better not to mix these things up. That's why separate forums are a great idea.
As a SaskTel customer coming from the international i9000, these forums are very confusing and not very organized. I would definitely support more organization.
I guarantee that you won't roam on the other carrier if you flash the wrong baseband (Telus/Bell/Rogers). They don't have roaming agreements in place to allow that. That's why you won't get service with Rogers in some areas where Bell does have service.
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I guarantee that you won't roam on the other carrier if you flash the wrong baseband (Telus/Bell/Rogers). They don't have roaming agreements in place to allow that. That's why you won't get service with Rogers in some areas where Bell does have service.
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That is how it was with the i9000. If I flashed the wrong baseband (for example, a US modem that did not support 850 band), I would just have no reception when I left the city.
Sasktel, Bell, Rogers, Telus all have the AT&T version with tethering left in.
Jsick said:
That is how it was with the i9000. If I flashed the wrong baseband (for example, a US modem that did not support 850 band), I would just have no reception when I left the city.
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OK. Either way, flashing the wrong baseband is a bad idea.
Pirateghost said:
and the Rogers is the same as AT&T's
historically Rogers and AT&T have been interchangeable in almost every aspect on all the devices they shared. Rogers uses the exact same frequencies as AT&T, and the devices are the same aside from some minor differences in bloat, lte toggle, and native wifi tether
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Except this time around, it seems that there is a slight difference between the two in terms of software, and enough so that I've read posts of people having issues when using at&t based stuff on their rogers phones.
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Except this time around, it seems that there is a slight difference between the two in terms of software, and enough so that I've read posts of people having issues when using at&t based stuff on their rogers phones.
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I've been here before with the vivid, skyrocket, and the one x. You can ignore anything I say but I HAVE dealt with this stuff before.
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So is it safe to say that you can flash the Stock Rom or Custom ROMs for T-Mobile T999 on Wind Mobile's T999V. And at most you lose Roaming and/or a few features?
I already see that there is one or two ROMs that are confirmed for multiple carriers.
A dedicated Canadian Forum is a great idea! There is so much information floating around out there with the multiple variations of the sgs3.
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I've been here before with the vivid, skyrocket, and the one x. You can ignore anything I say but I HAVE dealt with this stuff before.
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As a Rogers user (and relatively new to Android) it freaks the hell out of me to flash custom ROMs based on the AT&T version, because I'm sure I *will* lose tethering and the ability to turn off LTE.
That's the stupid thing - it'd be rather simple to have subforums dedicated to the canadian devices, because the software is different (not only the bloatware, but apparently some more stuff too) and the baseband is also different, which could lead to problems down the line, no?
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As a Rogers user (and relatively new to Android) it freaks the hell out of me to flash custom ROMs based on the AT&T version, because I'm sure I *will* lose tethering and the ability to turn off LTE.
That's the stupid thing - it'd be rather simple to have subforums dedicated to the canadian devices, because the software is different (not only the bloatware, but apparently some more stuff too) and the baseband is also different, which could lead to problems down the line, no?
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If a rom is done the right way you won't lose any functionality. You can't honestly believe that at&t users don't want those features. I prefer to build all my roms from a rogers base for the simple reason that it is less work for that functionality.
PS. Any rom dev should know better than to force a modem/radio/baseband change on their users.
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BlackDino said:
Sasktel, Bell, Rogers, Telus all have the AT&T version with tethering left in.
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That might be true but if you check your firmware versions, they aren't the same as AT&T's.
Also, I have flashed most of the international radio's on my older I9100 and never had a problem in Canada or US when travelling. They may not be customized for that country but they do work.
I PMd one of the mods with a link to this thread. There seems to be interest in a forum for Canadian carriers, so let's see if we can make it happen.
By the way thanks to everyone chiming in with their two cents. I am not a developer, and although I've been around xda a while, it was always as a user. I''ve written a guide or two on how to root and flash devices, but it was always based on other people's work. So I am learning all this as I go along.
I come from the desire z/g2 forums. G2 is t mobile, The desire z is run on multiple networks globally. Baseband are set by the phone, not the radio (I think that is the same thing as a modern?). On my Desire z running on Rogers, I flashed T-Mobile radios and international radios which worked on Rogers no problem.
Features of a rom are determined by the dev, if you don't like something, flash something else or restore your nandroid backup. Read the op and ask the dev if you are unsure about any features on a Rom.
I would think the only models that should be separated in forums are the international version, totally different processor and maybe Verizon cdma. From a sheer volume of users standpoint, further division is warranted. You think this is bad, wait until Verizon and At&t widely launch, this current setup will be complete chaos.
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I have an unlocked T-Mobile S3 and I am ready activate it on Straight Talk which I believe uses ATTs network. My question is concerning custom roms; can anyone confirm that using roms specifically for the T-Mobile version will or will not cause issues if i use a different carrier?
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Infamous_Cheez said:
I have an unlocked T-Mobile S3 and I am ready activate it on Straight Talk which I believe uses ATTs network. My question is concerning custom roms; can anyone confirm that using roms specifically for the T-Mobile version will or will not cause issues if i use a different carrier?
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No it will not.
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No it will not.
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I was a bit confused because there are several threads/devs trying to make sure users know to flash the right rom for their phone version. I also know that the ATT & T-Mobile versions are identical, besides the ATT version supporting ATT's LTE frequency and TM's supporting their HSPA+ frequency, and since I bought this phone off contract w/o warranty I want to make sure don't end up with a $600 paperweight.
Thanks for your confirmation!
Wait... Just some that we're on the same page, I read that as if you took a T-Mo phone, with a custom ROM, unlocked it, and used the phone on another GSM carrier, would there be problems - the answer is no.
If you take a T-Mo phone and use another carrier's ROM that's not compatible with T-Mo's phone - yes you will have problems.
I've looked around on the forum and elsewhere on the internet and found mixed/conflicting information with respect to getting better than Edge speeds on an AT&T Note 2 on T-Mobile's network. AT&T's Note 2 appears to support the frequencies for T-Mobile's network (e.g., 1700MHz according to http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-GALAXY-Note-II-AT-T_id7500). I'm guessing that it's not as simple as flashing a new modem. Does anyone know if it is possible to get an AT&T Note 2 running on T-Mobile's network at higher data speeds than Edge? I'm SIM unlocked and rooted, but haven't tried flashing a radio or modem yet.
I've seen some reports suggesting that it won't work, that there is no way to make the AT&T Note 2 work on T-Mobile's HSPA+ network (hardware limitations). I'd like to find out if that's true so I know if I should return my AT&T Note 2 and exchange it for a T-Mobile model. Wish the carriers wouldn't make this stuff so damned complicated.
*Edit* Saw on another forum that somebody suggested changing the APN settings. I might give that a try, but seeing as the AT&T modem is using 1700MHz for a different radio tech (LTE), I'm not sure it would be able to reconfigure it for HSPA+. If someone knows for sure, it'd be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Update: Spoke with a T-Mobile rep at length. The rep stated that the AT&T Note 2 radio *should* be compatible with T-Mobile's 3G/4G services. However, we were unable to get it to work. Perhaps the biggest obstacle is that there is no "Network mode" menu option within Settings->Mobile networks. Thus there appears to be no way to directly set the network operating more (e.g., GSM, HSPA+, LTE...).
Planning to speak with tech support for a while to try to get more info.
And the conclusion to this: Unless one is inclined to flash a new ROM for it (which isn't a bad option), then it doesn't appear that the AT&T Galaxy Note 2 is easily used with full data throughput on T-Mobile's 3G/4G service. It may be as simple as flashing a T-Mobile ROM onto it. I haven't found enough information on the hardware in both versions, but what I've read here on XDA leads me to believe they're identical, in which case ROM flashing should be simple. On the other hand, if there was a difference in the radio, then it should be necessary to adjust for that by flashing the appropriate modem (also available here on XDA).
At the moment, it appears possible, just not trivial. Because I'm currently carrier-agnostic (e.g., T-Mobile, StraightTalk:AT&T/T-Mobile) I will probably just exchange my AT&T version for the T-Mobile version, which has superior software.
AT&T Note 2 on T-mobile 3G/4G?
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And the conclusion to this: Unless one is inclined to flash a new ROM for it (which isn't a bad option), then it doesn't appear that the AT&T Galaxy Note 2 is easily used with full data throughput on T-Mobile's 3G/4G service. It may be as simple as flashing a T-Mobile ROM onto it. I haven't found enough information on the hardware in both versions, but what I've read here on XDA leads me to believe they're identical, in which case ROM flashing should be simple. On the other hand, if there was a difference in the radio, then it should be necessary to adjust for that by flashing the appropriate modem (also available here on XDA).
At the moment, it appears possible, just not trivial. Because I'm currently carrier-agnostic (e.g., T-Mobile, StraightTalk:AT&T/T-Mobile) I will probably just exchange my AT&T version for the T-Mobile version, which has superior software.
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Were you able t o find any solution? or did you just get the tmobile version of the note 2? Also, is the t-mobile version superior to the AT&T version? I read somewhere that the tmobile version can not do 4G LTE and is not future proofed. or is it better to unlock the tmobile version and use it on at&t if needed?
There is a hidden menu I have a sprint note 2 and all I have to do is ##3282# and enter my msl then go into others and select hdr or somthing / 1x
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Were you able t o find any solution? or did you just get the tmobile version of the note 2? Also, is the t-mobile version superior to the AT&T version? I read somewhere that the tmobile version can not do 4G LTE and is not future proofed. or is it better to unlock the tmobile version and use it on at&t if needed?
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Here's what you're looking for:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2068041
i have my at&t note 2 running on tmobile with dc-hpsa 42mbps!
Thank you very much. I'll give it a try
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Here's what you're looking for:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2068041
i have my at&t note 2 running on tmobile with dc-hpsa 42mbps!
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Are you able to use tmobile wifi calling?
Are you using the at&t stock android build or tmobile?
I was hoping to be able to "transform" an at&t note 2 into a tmobile note 2.
Any help would be appreciated
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Are you able to use tmobile wifi calling?
Are you using the at&t stock android build or tmobile?
I was hoping to be able to "transform" an at&t note 2 into a tmobile note 2.
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I have a t-mobile rom that allows me to use wifi calling. it also has the new multi window update on it. i'll find the link for you.
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supermi1 said:
Are you able to use tmobile wifi calling?
Are you using the at&t stock android build or tmobile?
I was hoping to be able to "transform" an at&t note 2 into a tmobile note 2.
Any help would be appreciated
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Sorry, pc just whacked out on me!!!
I have a t-mobile rom that allows me to use wifi calling. it also has the new multi window update on it. i'll find the link for you.
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supermi1 said:
Are you able to use tmobile wifi calling?
Are you using the at&t stock android build or tmobile?
I was hoping to be able to "transform" an at&t note 2 into a tmobile note 2.
Any help would be appreciated
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here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2026569
hnic32 said:
Sorry, pc just whacked out on me!!!
I have a t-mobile rom that allows me to use wifi calling. it also has the new multi window update on it. i'll find the link for you.
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here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2026569
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Hey I got a question I was thinking about buying a bad ESN at&t note 2 and flashing a T-mo ROM and modem. I was just wondering does the phone have to be sim unlocked by att or will t-mo be able to sim unlock it ? Also would I still have to call customer service and activate the phone or can I just pop in my sim card from my existing contract/phone? Never bought a bad ESPN phone before but am very comfortable with flashing radios and roms and modems etc... just wasn't sure about the unlocking.
Will the Canadian Note 2 (T889V) work with ROMs from T-Mobile's Note 2 T889? and is there any difference in hardware and modem?
Yes, but you will want to flash your providers rom.
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Yes, but you will want to flash your providers rom.
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are there any hardware differences? (im guessing the modem could be different, but no one would know without doing an teardown)
I'm sure they are the same. I mean, ATTi317 and T889 are the same. Only difference would be carrier I guess.
I know there was a guy selling a SGS3 T999V which was able to get dumbphone data on att/Tmo.
And if roms can be flashed between i317/n7100/T889, why not on the T889V
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I'm sure they are the same. I mean, ATTi317 and T889 are the same. Only difference would be carrier I guess.
I know there was a guy selling a SGS3 T999V which was able to get dumbphone data on att/Tmo.
And if roms can be flashed between i317/n7100/T889, why not on the T889V
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the thing is that it seems people with tmo variant get bootloops when they flash t889v modem
which seems rather odd, as this shouldnt happen if the hardware is the same
The T889 roms should work fine on the V, but I could see why they might not work other way around. IMO, there is no point in running V roms on my T889.
Does the T mobile version have an FM radio? (the Canadian version T889V does not have an FM reserve)
Can we flash a rom from the n7100 or the n7105 onto the i317? Will everything work like lte and what not? TIA
7105 will most likley work but 7100 would probably leave you with a brick. If you can help it try to stick to i317/m roms
so i317m roms will work? does anything have to be done to a n7105 rom?
Manalow88 said:
so i317m roms will work? does anything have to be done to a n7105 rom?
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Ya the m is just the Canadian carrier variant. There is nothing physically different between it and the at&t version. It depends on the rom. Some might work perfectly others will need a modem / new apn's or might not work at all. Honestley stay in this section unless you absolutely have to
Ok i just never understood what the difference between the international version and the att version of any phone was. Why cant samsung just make one phone for all the markets? Why does the international one get more developer support?
well the 7100 and 7105 are both "International" but the 5 supports LTE while the 0 is only HSPA+ iirc. And they cant make one phone for all markets because everyone uses different bands and every carrier has different needs
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well the 7100 and 7105 are both "International" but the 5 supports LTE while the 0 is only HSPA+ iirc. And they cant make one phone for all markets because everyone uses different bands and every carrier has different needs
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This^^^^^^^^^^ HERE:thumbup:
Making one phone for all! Not happening! And there's also the different modems that actually talk to the cell towers. That's another thing that makes them different. And that's what can brick your phone flashing the wrong Rom with modern included!
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