Hello fellow Canadian GSIII owners: please see below and note which forum you should be looking in for ROMs for your devices:
AT&T forum: SGH-I747 (AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus and SaskTel)
T-Mobile forum: SGH-T999 (T-Mobile, Wind, Mobilicity and Videotron)
Sprint forum: SPH-L710 (Sprint only)
Verizon forum: SGH-I535 (Verizon only)
Developers, please put carrier support in the title of your threads. Thank you!
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Hello XDA,
Can we please get an android development forum for Rogers, Bell, Telus and Wind? Rogers/Bell/Telus phones are SGH-I747M and the Wind version is the SGH-T999, but they all have different basebands and stock ROMs. Trying to put Canadian threads in AT&T and Sprint forums will result in a big mess.
Alternatively, instead of separating by carrier, separate by model number. Keep all the I747 development threads in one forum and T999 threads in another. Then people can put the carrier into the title of the post.
Just something to think about.
Thanks!
I agree. But AFAIK, the Wind/Mobilicity/Videotron S3 is the same as T-Mobile's, not Sprint's.
TLS2000 said:
I agree. But AFAIK, the Wind/Mobilicity/Videotron S3 is the same as T-Mobile's, not Sprint's.
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Indeed it is. I stand corrected.
TLS2000 said:
I agree. But AFAIK, the Wind/Mobilicity/Videotron S3 is the same as T-Mobile's, not Sprint's.
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and the Rogers is the same as AT&T's
historically Rogers and AT&T have been interchangeable in almost every aspect on all the devices they shared. Rogers uses the exact same frequencies as AT&T, and the devices are the same aside from some minor differences in bloat, lte toggle, and native wifi tether
What about the Telus, does that fall under at&t also?
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I agree very hard to follow on what is for which phone, not going to take any chances until things are a little more clear. Still have the old S1 to mess with.
rail205 said:
What about the Telus, does that fall under at&t also?
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I agree very hard to follow on what is for which phone, not going to take any chances until things are a little more clear. Still have the old S1 to mess with.
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AT&T, Rogers, Bell and Telus have the same phone, the SGH-I747. But just because it's the same hardware does not mean it's the same software. It may or may not have different basebands and certainly has different carrier customizations. As Pirateghost mentioned, AT&T removes some features in its ROM (software), the most important being, at least for me, the ability to tether. So if you flash a rooted AT&T ROM on your Canadian device, it will most likely work but you will lose features(!) That's why we need to be very clear about what carrier each ROM is for. Furthermore, if you flash the wrong baseband (i.e. flash a Rogers baseband on a Bell phone), your phone may not work as a phone or it may connect to the wrong network and you will be charged roaming fees. At the moment, I can see that AT&T has a different baseband version from Bell, but Rogers and Bell seem to have the same baseband version. Are they interchangeable? I have no idea. Anyway, it's better not to mix these things up. That's why separate forums are a great idea.
As a SaskTel customer coming from the international i9000, these forums are very confusing and not very organized. I would definitely support more organization.
I guarantee that you won't roam on the other carrier if you flash the wrong baseband (Telus/Bell/Rogers). They don't have roaming agreements in place to allow that. That's why you won't get service with Rogers in some areas where Bell does have service.
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I guarantee that you won't roam on the other carrier if you flash the wrong baseband (Telus/Bell/Rogers). They don't have roaming agreements in place to allow that. That's why you won't get service with Rogers in some areas where Bell does have service.
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That is how it was with the i9000. If I flashed the wrong baseband (for example, a US modem that did not support 850 band), I would just have no reception when I left the city.
Sasktel, Bell, Rogers, Telus all have the AT&T version with tethering left in.
Jsick said:
That is how it was with the i9000. If I flashed the wrong baseband (for example, a US modem that did not support 850 band), I would just have no reception when I left the city.
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OK. Either way, flashing the wrong baseband is a bad idea.
Pirateghost said:
and the Rogers is the same as AT&T's
historically Rogers and AT&T have been interchangeable in almost every aspect on all the devices they shared. Rogers uses the exact same frequencies as AT&T, and the devices are the same aside from some minor differences in bloat, lte toggle, and native wifi tether
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Except this time around, it seems that there is a slight difference between the two in terms of software, and enough so that I've read posts of people having issues when using at&t based stuff on their rogers phones.
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Except this time around, it seems that there is a slight difference between the two in terms of software, and enough so that I've read posts of people having issues when using at&t based stuff on their rogers phones.
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I've been here before with the vivid, skyrocket, and the one x. You can ignore anything I say but I HAVE dealt with this stuff before.
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So is it safe to say that you can flash the Stock Rom or Custom ROMs for T-Mobile T999 on Wind Mobile's T999V. And at most you lose Roaming and/or a few features?
I already see that there is one or two ROMs that are confirmed for multiple carriers.
A dedicated Canadian Forum is a great idea! There is so much information floating around out there with the multiple variations of the sgs3.
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I've been here before with the vivid, skyrocket, and the one x. You can ignore anything I say but I HAVE dealt with this stuff before.
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As a Rogers user (and relatively new to Android) it freaks the hell out of me to flash custom ROMs based on the AT&T version, because I'm sure I *will* lose tethering and the ability to turn off LTE.
That's the stupid thing - it'd be rather simple to have subforums dedicated to the canadian devices, because the software is different (not only the bloatware, but apparently some more stuff too) and the baseband is also different, which could lead to problems down the line, no?
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As a Rogers user (and relatively new to Android) it freaks the hell out of me to flash custom ROMs based on the AT&T version, because I'm sure I *will* lose tethering and the ability to turn off LTE.
That's the stupid thing - it'd be rather simple to have subforums dedicated to the canadian devices, because the software is different (not only the bloatware, but apparently some more stuff too) and the baseband is also different, which could lead to problems down the line, no?
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If a rom is done the right way you won't lose any functionality. You can't honestly believe that at&t users don't want those features. I prefer to build all my roms from a rogers base for the simple reason that it is less work for that functionality.
PS. Any rom dev should know better than to force a modem/radio/baseband change on their users.
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Sasktel, Bell, Rogers, Telus all have the AT&T version with tethering left in.
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That might be true but if you check your firmware versions, they aren't the same as AT&T's.
Also, I have flashed most of the international radio's on my older I9100 and never had a problem in Canada or US when travelling. They may not be customized for that country but they do work.
I PMd one of the mods with a link to this thread. There seems to be interest in a forum for Canadian carriers, so let's see if we can make it happen.
By the way thanks to everyone chiming in with their two cents. I am not a developer, and although I've been around xda a while, it was always as a user. I''ve written a guide or two on how to root and flash devices, but it was always based on other people's work. So I am learning all this as I go along.
I come from the desire z/g2 forums. G2 is t mobile, The desire z is run on multiple networks globally. Baseband are set by the phone, not the radio (I think that is the same thing as a modern?). On my Desire z running on Rogers, I flashed T-Mobile radios and international radios which worked on Rogers no problem.
Features of a rom are determined by the dev, if you don't like something, flash something else or restore your nandroid backup. Read the op and ask the dev if you are unsure about any features on a Rom.
I would think the only models that should be separated in forums are the international version, totally different processor and maybe Verizon cdma. From a sheer volume of users standpoint, further division is warranted. You think this is bad, wait until Verizon and At&t widely launch, this current setup will be complete chaos.
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I'm one click away from buying the Galaxy Nexus from Google for $349 (AT&T HSPS+ unlocked). The only thing holding me back is rooting/roms. Would I run international roms on it since its an unlocked version? I went to the Dev section, but didn't see an AT&T dev forum for this phone.
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I'm one click away from buying the Galaxy Nexus from Google for $349 (AT&T HSPS+ unlocked). The only thing holding me back is rooting/roms. Would I run international roms on it since its an unlocked version? I went to the Dev section, but didn't see an AT&T dev forum for this phone.
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The carrier isn't significant unless you're using a Sprint or Verizon branded Galaxy Nexus. All other Galaxy Nexus devices (the GSM models) are basically identical. The only black sheep is the Docomo model, which seems to have issues due to the SIM lock in place.
JaiaV said:
The carrier isn't significant unless you're using a Sprint or Verizon branded Galaxy Nexus. All other Galaxy Nexus devices (the GSM models) are basically identical. The only black sheep is the Docomo model, which seems to have issues due to the SIM lock in place.
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How would I be able to tell if its the Docomo model? This is it right here
https://play.google.com/store/devic...XZpY2VzX1VTX18xX3Byb21vXzEzNDA1MTg5NjUwMzYiXQ..
If you buy it from Google it isn't the Docomo model.
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Basically All GSM GNex owners go to the Android development forum. CDMA (Sprint and GNex) go to their respective forums
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I'm one click away from buying the Galaxy Nexus from Google for $349 (AT&T HSPS+ unlocked). The only thing holding me back is rooting/roms. Would I run international roms on it since its an unlocked version? I went to the Dev section, but didn't see an AT&T dev forum for this phone.
Thanks
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To be clear, there is no such thing as an AT&T Galaxy Nexus. From the Play Store, there is only one Galaxy Nexus (takju), which is unassociated with any one carrier and is compatible with AT&T's network (as well as every other GSM network).
Any thread or ROM that refers to just "Galaxy Nexus" with no mention of Verizon, Sprint, toro, toroplus, LTE, or CDMA will likely apply to your phone. The only exception would be if you're flashing radios since those are differentiated by region, but if that's something you're interested in, I'd suggest researching thoroughly before attempting
Thanks a lot for the input guys. I live in CA so I doubt I'd have to mess with the radio lol. Nexus should be here next week!
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Thanks a lot for the input guys. I live in CA so I doubt I'd have to mess with the radio lol. Nexus should be here next week!
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The baseband that the Play Store GNex ships with (at least mine did anyway) was XXLA2 which is actually a European baseband. It should work fine, but you may have better luck in terms of signal strength/quality/speeds if you use another radio. I know flashing UGLA4 (a North American baseband) on my GNex has proven best for me
If at some point down the line you do want to look into this stuff, I'd suggest this XDA thread on the topic.
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The baseband that the Play Store GNex ships with (at least mine did anyway) was XXLA2 which is actually a European baseband. It should work fine, but you may have better luck in terms of signal strength/quality/speeds if you use another radio. I know flashing UGLA4 (a North American baseband) on my GNex has proven best for me
If at some point down the line you do want to look into this stuff, I'd suggest this XDA thread on the topic.
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I'll check it out, thanks.
Thats nice, a thread where no one was rude even though the answer would be obvious to most on this forum. Some people are so condescending..
I have an unlocked T-Mobile S3 and I am ready activate it on Straight Talk which I believe uses ATTs network. My question is concerning custom roms; can anyone confirm that using roms specifically for the T-Mobile version will or will not cause issues if i use a different carrier?
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I have an unlocked T-Mobile S3 and I am ready activate it on Straight Talk which I believe uses ATTs network. My question is concerning custom roms; can anyone confirm that using roms specifically for the T-Mobile version will or will not cause issues if i use a different carrier?
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No it will not.
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No it will not.
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I was a bit confused because there are several threads/devs trying to make sure users know to flash the right rom for their phone version. I also know that the ATT & T-Mobile versions are identical, besides the ATT version supporting ATT's LTE frequency and TM's supporting their HSPA+ frequency, and since I bought this phone off contract w/o warranty I want to make sure don't end up with a $600 paperweight.
Thanks for your confirmation!
Wait... Just some that we're on the same page, I read that as if you took a T-Mo phone, with a custom ROM, unlocked it, and used the phone on another GSM carrier, would there be problems - the answer is no.
If you take a T-Mo phone and use another carrier's ROM that's not compatible with T-Mo's phone - yes you will have problems.
So... Rogers Optimus G is LG-E971 and not E973. Should there be another Canadian forum section for this?
Is the E973 the version for Bell or Telus?
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Is the E973 the version for Bell or Telus?
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Both of them are e973 i believe.
Probably should just use one forum for all the Canadian devices since there is not a huge difference between the three. Just name it properly.
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from what i know all 3 devices are the same in-terms of specs but the Rogers version uses 2600 LTE frequency while Bell/Telus are still at 700. Not sure if its just a softwrae setting or the LTE chip might be different. To me i'm leaning toward software settings, but I really haven't looked to much into it because i'm with Bell.
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from what i know all 3 devices are the same in-terms of specs but the Rogers version uses 2600 LTE frequency while Bell/Telus are still at 700. Not sure if its just a softwrae setting or the LTE chip might be different. To me i'm leaning toward software settings, but I really haven't looked to much into it because i'm with Bell.
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Regardless, this specific forum is for DEVELOPMENT, not discussion.
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Regardless, this specific forum is for DEVELOPMENT, not discussion.
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If there are hardware differences, then the Rogers device needs it's own development section.
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from what i know all 3 devices are the same in-terms of specs but the Rogers version uses 2600 LTE frequency while Bell/Telus are still at 700. Not sure if its just a softwrae setting or the LTE chip might be different. To me i'm leaning toward software settings, but I really haven't looked to much into it because i'm with Bell.
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2600 is a new frequency specific to Rogers. 700 is not used. Robellus uses 1700/2100 (AWS) for LTE.
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If there are hardware differences, then the Rogers device needs it's own development section.
2600 is a new frequency specific to Rogers. 700 is not used. Robellus uses 1700/2100 (AWS) for LTE.
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The point is, discuss this in the general forum, not the DEVELOPMENT FORUM.
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The point is, discuss this in the general forum, not the DEVELOPMENT FORUM.
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yoooo mississauga got some sexy asian chicks ay. lol.
but on a "development note" it would be nice for someone to comfirm that bell, telus, rogers devices are sharing same type of hardware so that way no one will not brick or mess up real bad flashing a custom rom/kernel from one phone company device to another of the same country. just saying. but if these canadian companies has major differences between the two devices then that adds to my list of questions. why this country dont make sense but always down to make dollars!
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just double check and this is the GENERAL SECTION so why cant ppl ask "general questions"?
So are these two phones the same hardware ?
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They're not the same. The LTE chip is different at the very least. Canada doesn't have 700Mhz, so LTE comes from 2600Mhz that Rogers is rolling out. The standard frequencies for LTE are AWS frequencies.
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yoooo mississauga got some sexy asian chicks ay. lol.
but on a "development note" it would be nice for someone to comfirm that bell, telus, rogers devices are sharing same type of hardware so that way no one will not brick or mess up real bad flashing a custom rom/kernel from one phone company device to another of the same country. just saying. but if these canadian companies has major differences between the two devices then that adds to my list of questions. why this country dont make sense but always down to make dollars!
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just double check and this is the GENERAL SECTION so why cant ppl ask "general questions"?
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Because thread got moved.. And there's nothing to do in Mississauga!!! Plus sexy Asian chicks are everywhere
solomon4400 said:
yoooo mississauga got some sexy asian chicks ay. lol.
but on a "development note" it would be nice for someone to comfirm that bell, telus, rogers devices are sharing same type of hardware so that way no one will not brick or mess up real bad flashing a custom rom/kernel from one phone company device to another of the same country. just saying. but if these canadian companies has major differences between the two devices then that adds to my list of questions. why this country dont make sense but always down to make dollars!
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So far, according to a couple people who have tried, CM 10.1 being ported from the N4 works on all the Canadian devices. In terms of whether the network connectivity poses any problems, nobody has mentioned anything about LTE issues on the Rogers phone, and neither chadouming nor myself have the E971.
So, the hardware seems to be basically identical (minus the modem) at this point, until we hear someone say something to the contrary.
It stands to reason that if the N4 can work on all major three with LTE after a settings change, then the Optimus G should be the same, just a different modem for frequency difference.
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So far, according to a couple people who have tried, CM 10.1 being ported from the N4 works on all the Canadian devices. In terms of whether the network connectivity poses any problems, nobody has mentioned anything about LTE issues on the Rogers phone, and neither chadouming nor myself have the E971.
So, the hardware seems to be basically identical (minus the modem) at this point, until we hear someone say something to the contrary.
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whot u mean no wi-fi no nfc ?
iEthos said:
whot u mean no wi-fi no nfc ?
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There were problems with wifi and nfc not working but those have since been fixed
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There were problems with wifi and nfc not working but those have since been fixed
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Yes WIFI is working but NFC is not yet.
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Never mind, I figured it out...
A couple of questions...
I'm thinking about a Galaxy S3, and had a few questions. Looks like there are a bunch of different variants, and I'm not sure of the differences (or if it matters). I'm using simple mobile, and am looking at both the t999 and I747 for AT&T. Any significant differences? Are they both sim unlockable? Anything else I need to be aware of?
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A couple of questions...
I'm thinking about a Galaxy S3, and had a few questions. Looks like there are a bunch of different variants, and I'm not sure of the differences (or if it matters). I'm using simple mobile, and am looking at both the t999 and I747 for AT&T. Any significant differences? Are they both sim unlockable? Anything else I need to be aware of?
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Id suggest the T999L. (Its the only one they sell now). It is compatible on more frequencies/bands than the I747, and if you use it on T-Mobile's networks, it has the potential of being twice as fast as the I747. (I747 I believe can only work on the slower of the two LTE bands used, while the T999L can work on both).
They are both unlockable, but the T999L was patched against our unlock method prior to its release. So you either have to get the code from the carrier who sold it to you, or pay someone $5-10 online to do it for you.
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Id suggest the T999L. (Its the only one they sell now). It is compatible on more frequencies/bands than the I747, and if you use it on T-Mobile's networks, it has the potential of being twice as fast as the I747. (I747 I believe can only work on the slower of the two LTE bands used, while the T999L can work on both).
They are both unlockable, but the T999L was patched against our unlock method prior to its release. So you either have to get the code from the carrier who sold it to you, or pay someone $5-10 online to do it for you.
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Thanks for the info. Looks like the T999L is going for > $100 more than the other 2 on ebay. Not worth it to me. Also have no idea what speeds simple mobile provides. Any difference between the standard T999 and I747? Are you saying that the I747 has LTE capabilities, but the standard T999 doesn't?
That is correct. The T999L replaced the original T999 when T-Mobile rolled out LTE. None of their devices were LTE capable before, because they couldn't use it.
I will say that the I747 using LTE on T-Mobile s networks, may still not get quite as good as even the old T999, if your in an area that has hspa+42. No idea about simple mobile and what they use though.personally, I think either T999 variant will be superior to the I747 when on T-Mobile networks. There are threads where people are trying to force the I747 to use different frequencies because they want better speeds than what they are getting.
And again, there's just no way to know for sure with SM.
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OK. Doing some more research--lots of info out there. Seems that the difference between the T999 and i747 is that the T999 has support in the 1700 band for HSDPA, while the i747 has LTE capability. It appears that T-Mobile is migrating away from the 1700 band in favor of LTE. This chart includes LTE coverage for a bunch of cities, including pretty much anywhere that I spend significant time.
This article indicates that SM should operate on LTE. So, from this info it looks like the i747 might actually be the better option--although I think that either one will work fast enough for my needs. Basically, most anything faster than EDGE is fine for me.
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OK. Doing some more research--lots of info out there. Seems that the difference between the T999 and i747 is that the T999 has support in the 1700 band for HSDPA, while the i747 has LTE capability. It appears that T-Mobile is migrating away from the 1700 band in favor of LTE. This chart includes LTE coverage for a bunch of cities, including pretty much anywhere that I spend significant time.
This article indicates that SM should operate on LTE. So, from this info it looks like the i747 might actually be the better option--although I think that either one will work fast enough for my needs. Basically, most anything faster than EDGE is fine for me.
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Just a bit of an update. Got the 747. Getting 9 mbps download speed, which is the same as my wife on the t mobile network (I don't know if hers is lte or not). So, success.
Hi Guys, I've got some questions I'm hoping I can have addressed. I purchased a Galaxy S3 LTE (SGH-T999L) from T-Mobile awhile ago & i'm happy with the device. I am aware that the original model, SGH-T999 didn't come with LTE, however my confusion lies in that I've heard that with the 4.1.2 update, the T999 now supports LTE, but I've heard people say it doesn't.
My concern is that I am interested in rooting & installing a custom rom on my S3 LTE. I've seen some roms state that they support my model #, but in one rom I watched a review/install video for it & in the video, that specific rom only listed the SGH-T999 model, the non-lte variant.
I'm pretty confident in the knowledge that if I flashed a T999 rom, it would work on my device, however I'm uncertain on if I would lose the LTE functionality.
Thank you guys for sharing your wisdom
I don't think so
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Hi Guys, I've got some questions I'm hoping I can have addressed. I purchased a Galaxy S3 LTE (SGH-T999L) from T-Mobile awhile ago & i'm happy with the device. I am aware that the original model, SGH-T999 didn't come with LTE, however my confusion lies in that I've heard that with the 4.1.2 update, the T999 now supports LTE, but I've heard people say it doesn't.
My concern is that I am interested in rooting & installing a custom rom on my S3 LTE. I've seen some roms state that they support my model #, but in one rom I watched a review/install video for it & in the video, that specific rom only listed the SGH-T999 model, the non-lte variant.
I'm pretty confident in the knowledge that if I flashed a T999 rom, it would work on my device, however I'm uncertain on if I would lose the LTE functionality.
Thank you guys for sharing your wisdom
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I don't think you would as it's a hardwear difference between the T999 and the T999L. As long as you have the LTE APN it should work, although the ROM may not show you have an LTE connection. You will have the speed but the ROM will just register it as 4G or HSPA+. But I'm not completely sure. I would make a nandroid to go back to just in case, and then see if you can get LTE speeds on your rom.
All of your questions have already been addressed in the T999L thread. Link in sig.
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