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[Q] How to root my phone and still beeing able to recive stock OTA updates?

As the topic says I wonder how I do root by phone too still be able to get OTA updates. I've just seen the video at the ROOT INFO tab, but I have been given to understund that OTAs won't be possible with custom recovery. So my questin, is there another way to do this?

sopidos said:
As the topic says I wonder how I do root by phone too still be able to get OTA updates. I've just seen the video at the ROOT INFO tab, but I have been given to understund that OTAs won't be possible with custom recovery. So my questin, is there another way to do this?
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To, my personal knowledge... yeah you can root your device and still RECEIVE OTA's to your device, however when you need to install them... you'll need to flash the stock recovery so that it installs, then you can just go ahead and flash the custom recovery back that's what i'd do anyway.

Ok, I wound this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167 just now. Will this do the thing without screwing up the stock recovery?

Historically it's always been the advice to NOT use OTA updates when rooted as they do more harm than good. If you're going custom I'd stick with that

sopidos said:
Ok, I wound this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167 just now. Will this do the thing without screwing up the stock recovery?
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This is new to me, i can't comment on it but from what i've read, yeah it seems to push the files to the device without the need of a custom recovery, personally i prefer the custom recovery way because you can carry on many different tasks which stock recovery can't

That link doesn't work, it's for the AT&T model (One XL)

EddyOS said:
That link doesn't work, it's for the AT&T model (One XL)
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I thought this, but the title made me think differently.
Sent from my now amazing HTC One X thanks to TeamVenoms ViperX rom

[Q] Re-Root after OTA - Wiping involved?

Hi there,
I have a very brief question:
My M8's bootloader is unlocked, it was rooted + S-OFF and I modified the CID. I also had a custom recovery installed but decided to stay with the stock one in order to get original HTC OTA updates. So, after a recent OTA: Root is gone.
My question: When I flash a new bootloader and apply the root (mediafire) - Will any data be wiped in the process? Just asking because I don't have an (easy) method of backuping at the moment... no Titanium without root, no nandroid without custom recovery
Thanks in advance!
hunchi

hunchi said:
Hi there,
I have a very brief question:
My M8's bootloader is unlocked, it was rooted + S-OFF and I modified the CID. I also had a custom recovery installed but decided to stay with the stock one in order to get original HTC OTA updates. So, after a recent OTA: Root is gone.
My question: When I flash a new bootloader and apply the root (mediafire) - Will any data be wiped in the process? Just asking because I don't have an (easy) method of backuping at the moment... no Titanium without root, no nandroid without custom recovery
Thanks in advance!
hunchi
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Easy
1, flash custom recovery
2, flash superuser zip
3, look HERE for the backup corresponding to your software number
4, there will be a stock recovery contained within the backup package, flash it
5, you will be as you were but rooted and with a stock recovery and you will be able to receive otas as long as the conditions HERE are met :good:
Obviously the next OTA will break root but u know what u are doing now lol

Thank you very much, exocetdj! Consider it done.
I will probably not go back to stock recovery however. I *really* was thinking with this phone I will keep the stock ROM, but I was looking into the Android Development section here yesterday night and....ahh, damn it, I can't resist anymore
Cheers
hunchi

hunchi said:
Thank you very much, exocetdj! Consider it done.
I will probably not go back to stock recovery however. I *really* was thinking with this phone I will keep the stock ROM, but I was looking into the Android Development section here yesterday night and....ahh, damn it, I can't resist anymore
Cheers
hunchi
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Oh yes, the stuff on offer in there is DEFO better than stock!!!!!!!
Go on u know u want to hahahahahahaha!!!:highfive:

exocetdj said:
Oh yes, the stuff on offer in there is DEFO better than stock!!!!!!!
Go on u know u want to hahahahahahaha!!!:highfive:
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Yeah I most certainly know. My HTC Desire and GS3 wouldn't have survived that long if it was not for XDA-dev
But you know... at some point you have so much work to do you are really just glad if the stuff works reliably. But then again... All those tweaks and nice themes... It's just soo tempting...:laugh:
Where is my USB cable??

hunchi said:
Yeah I most certainly know. My HTC Desire and GS3 wouldn't have survived that long if it was not for XDA-dev
But you know... at some point you have so much work to do you are really just glad if the stuff works reliably. But then again... All those tweaks and nice themes... It's just soo tempting...:laugh:
Where is my USB cable??
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hahaha go for it

SuperSU and Stock Recovery

is there away to install SuperSU when you have stock recovery? I'm thinking that we have to have either CWM/TWRP to install the zip. or am I having a brain fart on this.....
Thanks for whomever can clear my cobwebs..

You need a custom recovery (TWRP or CWM).

bkeaver said:
is there away to install SuperSU when you have stock recovery? I'm thinking that we have to have either CWM/TWRP to install the zip. or am I having a brain fart on this.....
Thanks for whomever can clear my cobwebs..
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You can install it if you have the bootloader unlocked.
Use boot command instead of flash to boot into custom recovery and install su.
e.g
Fastboot boot twrp.img

uronfire said:
You can install it if you have the bootloader unlocked.
Use boot command instead of flash to boot into custom recovery and install su.
e.g
Fastboot boot twrp.img
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Yes, this.
However, why bother keeping stock recovery at all? Stock recovery is effectively neutered once rooted, as you can no longer install an OTA.

uronfire said:
You can install it if you have the bootloader unlocked.
Use boot command instead of flash to boot into custom recovery and install su.
e.g
Fastboot boot twrp.img
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Thanks this worked :good:

so when I go into recovery now I get a image of a htc one with a red triangle and exclamation mark inside of it?? since I have never went into recovery on this phone before isn't it supposed to look like any other stock recovery??? and if this isn't right I have tried flashing the recovery already and still get the same result... can someone expand on this for me pls

bkeaver said:
so when I go into recovery now I get a image of a htc one with a red triangle and exclamation mark inside of it?? since I have never went into recovery on this phone before isn't it supposed to look like any other stock recovery??? and if this isn't right I have tried flashing the recovery already and still get the same result... can someone expand on this for me pls
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You have stock recovery.

BenPope said:
You have stock recovery.
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so it doesn't give you flash update and wipe and all that anymore.. sorry like I said I have never went into recovery on this phone.. just making sure...

bkeaver said:
so it doesn't give you flash update and wipe and all that anymore.. sorry like I said I have never went into recovery on this phone.. just making sure...
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I think you have to hold volume up and hit power or something.

ok I am good.. thank you... I'm putting everything back to stock because someone bought my phone and I just want to make sure everything is correct on it now.. thanks!!

redpoint73 said:
Yes, this.
However, why bother keeping stock recovery at all? Stock recovery is effectively neutered once rooted, as you can no longer install an OTA.
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i sold the phone and this is what they requested. I know the OTA wont work and I never keep stock recoveries on my phones but.... I guess they will find out for themselves

and btw thanks everyone for the help. I hit my thanks button but on my browser it it isn't showing it just to let you know....

bkeaver said:
i sold the phone and this is what they requested. I know the OTA wont work and I never keep stock recoveries on my phones but.... I guess they will find out for themselves
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Sounds like somebody that is a bit ill-informed. They want root, but they probably also want OTA (the 2 don't go together, IMO) and heard that you need stock recovery for OTA. I suppose they can change everything back that they modified with root, and unroot or hide root to install the OTA. But it just seems they are making life more complicated than it needs to be.
Also sounds like its a person that wants root, but not willing to do it themselves. But I suppose that's not really your problem!

Option to root and have ota is very easy :
Stock rom (unmodified but rooted)
Stock recovery
And you can ota. The ota will probably delete superuser but that's about it. The ota will not fail because its rooted as long as the stock rom/apps are unmodified

Mr Hofs said:
Option to root and have ota is very easy :
Stock rom (unmodified but rooted)
Stock recovery
And you can ota. The ota will probably delete superuser but that's about it. The ota will not fail because its rooted as long as the stock rom/apps are unmodified
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yeah this is what I did for them so who knows.. I've never tried it that way but i guess it would work like that

redpoint73 said:
Yes, this.
However, why bother keeping stock recovery at all? Stock recovery is effectively neutered once rooted, as you can no longer install an OTA.
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Rooting doesn't affect ota's, at least not in my experience.

ashyx said:
Rooting doesn't affect ota's, at least not in my experience.
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Only if absolutely nothing was changed with the stock ROM.
Its more my point there is little point to installing OTAs on a rooted device.

redpoint73 said:
Only if absolutely nothing was changed with the stock ROM.
Its more my point there is little point to installing OTAs on a rooted device.
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I don't understand that statement. I still run stock sense, but with a few additions that don't affect ota's. So I still get updates while having things configured the way I want. I can also run things that require root such as titanium backup and a few others.

ashyx said:
I don't understand that statement. I still run stock sense, but with a few additions that don't affect ota's. So I still get updates while having things configured the way I want. I can also run things that require root such as titanium backup and a few others.
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Because once you accept an OTA, you will be unrooted. You will have to root again, either by installing custom recovery (than back to stock recovery so you can OTA) or the trick of booting custom recovery via adb to flash SU (as described here). Its just a lot of jumping through hoops with little added value.
On the other hand, if you have custom recovery installed, you can flash any of the array of stock rooted or awesome custom ROMs posted here. This includes stock rooted ROMs taken from OTA updates from lots of versions (often posted within days of the OTA starting to roll out), not just your carrier, so you can possibly get an update much faster than waiting for the OTA to roll out from your carrier (although that depends on what carrier version you have). You also don't have to constantly be worried "well, if I change this I won't get OTAs". You can do whatever the heck you want, and isn't that really the whole point of root?
Its just my opinion. And a lot of this may stem from the fact that I'm on AT&T, who are not only agonizingly slow about rolling out OTAs (sometimes 3-4 months or even later than other carriers on my past HTC device) and have even went to the effort to close exploits and prevent unlocking of bootloaders when rolling out new OTAs (on the One X EVITA). In fact there was even a bug (I assume it was a bug - others may accuse that it was intentional) where installing the Jellybean OTA with SuperCID and S-on bricked the phone.
As I said, its just an opinion. But there are many others on XDA that will agree that OTAs have no place on rooted Android devices.
And to be fair, I did cover myself and stated "there is little point" instead of "there is no point"

advice please

was wondering can i just root my m8 without flashing recovery all i want is to install adaway to block ads thats if someone could please advise

Depending on what build you are on (newer ones can't go it), you may be able to fastboot boot recovery instead of flashing recovery. Once booted into recovery, you can flash SU or SuperSU.
You need to be bootloader unlocked either way. So I actually don't see a point in doing what you ask. Once you root, you can always install stock recovery again.

redpoint73 said:
Depending on what build you are on (newer ones can't go it), you may be able to fastboot boot recovery instead of flashing recovery. Once booted into recovery, you can flash SU or SuperSU.
You need to be bootloader unlocked either way. So I actually don't see a point in doing what you ask. Once you root, you can always install stock recovery again.
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ok thanks i get phone tomorrow so will give it a go i used to have s5 which was easy to root this sounds complicated

pnr2020 said:
ok thanks i get phone tomorrow so will give it a go i used to have s5 which was easy to root this sounds complicated
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Every device and manufacturer has its own subtle differences and learning curve. Its really not what hard, just read up and make sure you understand before messing around with it.

pnr2020 said:
was wondering can i just root my m8 without flashing recovery all i want is to install adaway to block ads thats if someone could please advise
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Follow this guide for rooting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/vomerguides-m8-bootldr-unlock-s-off-t2800727
but as redpoint73 said you have to unlock bootloader and install custom recovery.

Rantrave07 said:
but as redpoint73 said you have to unlock bootloader and install custom recovery.
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That is not exactly what I said. If the phone is 4.4.3 or 4.4.2, OP should be able to fastboot boot recovery without flashing it. Then flash SU/SuperSU. I've seen others do it this way, although I personally don't see much point to it.
But yes, bootloader still needs to be unlocked.

redpoint73 said:
That is not exactly what I said. If the phone is 4.4.3 or 4.4.2, OP should be able to fastboot boot recovery without flashing it. Then flash SU/SuperSU. I've seen others do it this way, although I personally don't see much point to it.
But yes, bootloader still needs to be unlocked.
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yeah one can always flash the stock recovery after rooting.

redpoint73 said:
That is not exactly what I said. If the phone is 4.4.3 or 4.4.2, OP should be able to fastboot boot recovery without flashing it. Then flash SU/SuperSU. I've seen others do it this way, although I personally don't see much point to it.
But yes, bootloader still needs to be unlocked.
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Booting it instead of flashing it is better if you want to make a backup of stock recovery. Especially if it's Philz that you're booting since TWRP doesn't seem to make backups of the stock recovery anyways.
Using the dd command to make a "copy" of the recovery works if you're rooted and to be rooted you have to have custom recovery which doesn't help much since you lose stock recovery the moment you flash the custom one, but if you boot it and root then at least you can use the dd command if that is the way you want to make a "backup" of your stock recovery. Silly little circle to run around in

BerndM14 said:
Booting it instead of flashing it is better if you want to make a backup of stock recovery. Especially if it's Philz that you're booting since TWRP doesn't seem to make backups of the stock recovery anyways.
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Yes, I was aware of that; although it didn't seem to be the OP's goal. But thanks for pointing it out for their benefit.

thanks everyone for advice im sure i will get it right just one more quick question can you still upgrade with OTA when rooted or is it like other phones where you can not

Rantrave07 said:
Follow this guide for rooting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/vomerguides-m8-bootldr-unlock-s-off-t2800727
but as redpoint73 said you have to unlock bootloader and install custom recovery.
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thank you for the guide that makes it sound straight forward

pnr2020 said:
thank you for the guide that makes it sound straight forward
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:good: glad it helped

The m8 was a little complicated at first than my previous phone the nexus 5 but I figured out the m8 and I love it a lot more than my n5

spinninbsod said:
The m8 was a little complicated at first than my previous phone the nexus 5 but I figured out the m8 and I love it a lot more than my n5[/QUOE
At first i wasn't sure i liked it but im getting used to it. When lollypop comes out do i need to restore to stock or can i just OTA and root again
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pnr2020 said:
spinninbsod said:
The m8 was a little complicated at first than my previous phone the nexus 5 but I figured out the m8 and I love it a lot more than my n5[/QUOE
At first i wasn't sure i liked it but im getting used to it. When lollypop comes out do i need to restore to stock or can i just OTA and root again
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To get updates you need a stock ROM unmodified, it can be rooted just do not mess with build.prop or platform.xml. However, to be able to install updates you need a stock recovery.
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pnr2020 said:
To get updates you need a stock ROM unmodified, it can be rooted just do not mess with build.prop or platform.xml. However, to be able to install updates you need a stock recovery.
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thank you for info so if i stay on stock rom rooted i will have no trouble installing lollypop when released
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pnr2020 said:
XSL-FO said:
thank you for info so if i stay on stock rom rooted i will have no trouble installing lollypop when released
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As long as you have a stock recovery it's all good. But even if you have a custom one, before doing the update install a custom recovery. Make the update, and after that if you want flash again a custom recovery.
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Question about Custom ROM

I think I know the answer to this already but I'll ask anyway. If I flashed a custom ROM. Would it be possible at all to then go back to complete stock at some point and continue to get OTA updates once back?

Yes it is possible

rickysidhu_ said:
Yes it is possible
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Not what I thought lol Thanks for the answer.

Yes it is
Cusrom is like when you bored with stock rom, and you can easily back to stock rom also

https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/guide-restore-to-complete-stock-relock-t3712739

And you'll continue to get OTA updates again? I love this phone more each day

Shaneee said:
And you'll continue to get OTA updates again? I love this phone more each day
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You have a stock phone. Even if you flash an old rom, after a reboot you will get a ota.

sytayeth said:
You have a stock phone. Even if you flash an old rom, after a reboot you will get a ota.
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That's awesome. Might try some of the ROMs while I'm waiting on the official Oreo then