is there away to install SuperSU when you have stock recovery? I'm thinking that we have to have either CWM/TWRP to install the zip. or am I having a brain fart on this.....
Thanks for whomever can clear my cobwebs..
You need a custom recovery (TWRP or CWM).
bkeaver said:
is there away to install SuperSU when you have stock recovery? I'm thinking that we have to have either CWM/TWRP to install the zip. or am I having a brain fart on this.....
Thanks for whomever can clear my cobwebs..
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You can install it if you have the bootloader unlocked.
Use boot command instead of flash to boot into custom recovery and install su.
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Fastboot boot twrp.img
uronfire said:
You can install it if you have the bootloader unlocked.
Use boot command instead of flash to boot into custom recovery and install su.
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Fastboot boot twrp.img
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Yes, this.
However, why bother keeping stock recovery at all? Stock recovery is effectively neutered once rooted, as you can no longer install an OTA.
uronfire said:
You can install it if you have the bootloader unlocked.
Use boot command instead of flash to boot into custom recovery and install su.
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Fastboot boot twrp.img
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Thanks this worked :good:
so when I go into recovery now I get a image of a htc one with a red triangle and exclamation mark inside of it?? since I have never went into recovery on this phone before isn't it supposed to look like any other stock recovery??? and if this isn't right I have tried flashing the recovery already and still get the same result... can someone expand on this for me pls
bkeaver said:
so when I go into recovery now I get a image of a htc one with a red triangle and exclamation mark inside of it?? since I have never went into recovery on this phone before isn't it supposed to look like any other stock recovery??? and if this isn't right I have tried flashing the recovery already and still get the same result... can someone expand on this for me pls
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You have stock recovery.
BenPope said:
You have stock recovery.
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so it doesn't give you flash update and wipe and all that anymore.. sorry like I said I have never went into recovery on this phone.. just making sure...
bkeaver said:
so it doesn't give you flash update and wipe and all that anymore.. sorry like I said I have never went into recovery on this phone.. just making sure...
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I think you have to hold volume up and hit power or something.
ok I am good.. thank you... I'm putting everything back to stock because someone bought my phone and I just want to make sure everything is correct on it now.. thanks!!
redpoint73 said:
Yes, this.
However, why bother keeping stock recovery at all? Stock recovery is effectively neutered once rooted, as you can no longer install an OTA.
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i sold the phone and this is what they requested. I know the OTA wont work and I never keep stock recoveries on my phones but.... I guess they will find out for themselves
and btw thanks everyone for the help. I hit my thanks button but on my browser it it isn't showing it just to let you know....
bkeaver said:
i sold the phone and this is what they requested. I know the OTA wont work and I never keep stock recoveries on my phones but.... I guess they will find out for themselves
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Sounds like somebody that is a bit ill-informed. They want root, but they probably also want OTA (the 2 don't go together, IMO) and heard that you need stock recovery for OTA. I suppose they can change everything back that they modified with root, and unroot or hide root to install the OTA. But it just seems they are making life more complicated than it needs to be.
Also sounds like its a person that wants root, but not willing to do it themselves. But I suppose that's not really your problem!
Option to root and have ota is very easy :
Stock rom (unmodified but rooted)
Stock recovery
And you can ota. The ota will probably delete superuser but that's about it. The ota will not fail because its rooted as long as the stock rom/apps are unmodified
Mr Hofs said:
Option to root and have ota is very easy :
Stock rom (unmodified but rooted)
Stock recovery
And you can ota. The ota will probably delete superuser but that's about it. The ota will not fail because its rooted as long as the stock rom/apps are unmodified
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yeah this is what I did for them so who knows.. I've never tried it that way but i guess it would work like that
redpoint73 said:
Yes, this.
However, why bother keeping stock recovery at all? Stock recovery is effectively neutered once rooted, as you can no longer install an OTA.
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Rooting doesn't affect ota's, at least not in my experience.
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Rooting doesn't affect ota's, at least not in my experience.
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Only if absolutely nothing was changed with the stock ROM.
Its more my point there is little point to installing OTAs on a rooted device.
redpoint73 said:
Only if absolutely nothing was changed with the stock ROM.
Its more my point there is little point to installing OTAs on a rooted device.
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I don't understand that statement. I still run stock sense, but with a few additions that don't affect ota's. So I still get updates while having things configured the way I want. I can also run things that require root such as titanium backup and a few others.
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I don't understand that statement. I still run stock sense, but with a few additions that don't affect ota's. So I still get updates while having things configured the way I want. I can also run things that require root such as titanium backup and a few others.
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Because once you accept an OTA, you will be unrooted. You will have to root again, either by installing custom recovery (than back to stock recovery so you can OTA) or the trick of booting custom recovery via adb to flash SU (as described here). Its just a lot of jumping through hoops with little added value.
On the other hand, if you have custom recovery installed, you can flash any of the array of stock rooted or awesome custom ROMs posted here. This includes stock rooted ROMs taken from OTA updates from lots of versions (often posted within days of the OTA starting to roll out), not just your carrier, so you can possibly get an update much faster than waiting for the OTA to roll out from your carrier (although that depends on what carrier version you have). You also don't have to constantly be worried "well, if I change this I won't get OTAs". You can do whatever the heck you want, and isn't that really the whole point of root?
Its just my opinion. And a lot of this may stem from the fact that I'm on AT&T, who are not only agonizingly slow about rolling out OTAs (sometimes 3-4 months or even later than other carriers on my past HTC device) and have even went to the effort to close exploits and prevent unlocking of bootloaders when rolling out new OTAs (on the One X EVITA). In fact there was even a bug (I assume it was a bug - others may accuse that it was intentional) where installing the Jellybean OTA with SuperCID and S-on bricked the phone.
As I said, its just an opinion. But there are many others on XDA that will agree that OTAs have no place on rooted Android devices.
And to be fair, I did cover myself and stated "there is little point" instead of "there is no point"
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Go here for a much better proceedure:
http://androidforums.com/incredible...ng-nov-ota-rooted-incredible.html#post1876792
dsb9938 said:
Rooted Inc, otherwise factory ROM. S-OFF in effect.
If I flash a factory recovery, will the OTA update take?
Can I not simply reflash ClockWork after the update?
Thanks guys.
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Im pretty sure it will take if you've got factory recovery. It doesn't seem to be as secure as the vaunted froyo update was.
And yes, you can simply reflash clockwork, but from bootloader, as a PB32IMG.zip
S-Off is wonderful.
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Im pretty sure it will take if you've got factory recovery. It doesn't seem to be as secure as the vaunted froyo update was.
And yes, you can simply reflash clockwork, but from bootloader, as a PB32IMG.zip
S-Off is wonderful.
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What if I'm rooted without stock recovery?
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What if I'm rooted without stock recovery?
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When you get the update nag, you ignore it, flash the stock recovery, which I am in process of getting now, then apply the patch, then reflash Clockwork.
Fretless said:
Im pretty sure it will take if you've got factory recovery. It doesn't seem to be as secure as the vaunted froyo update was.
And yes, you can simply reflash clockwork, but from bootloader, as a PB32IMG.zip
S-Off is wonderful.
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Thanks, now to get the stock recovery from the RUU. Wee Haw!!!!
dsb9938 said:
When you get the update nag, you ignore it, flash the stock recovery, which I am in process of getting now, then apply the patch, then reflash Clockwork.
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I'm still pretty new to this, how should I go about getting the stock recovery and flashing it? All I've done is use Unrevoked and Unrevoked Forever, then install ClockworkMod via Rom Manager, so pretty much everything has been done for me :/
thevoiceless said:
I'm still pretty new to this, how should I go about getting the stock recovery and flashing it? All I've done is use Unrevoked and Unrevoked Forever, then install ClockworkMod via Rom Manager, so pretty much everything has been done for me :/
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I've asked in a couple places for the stock recovery. If/when I get it I will post a short how to.
I just don't want to lose everything on my phone to get this update.
I did a NAND backup and installed the update manually and there are several improvements I would like to have, such as significantly reduced charging time. But right now, without a custom ROM, the only way to get it is the RUU, and that wipes the phone.
Dennis
dsb9938 said:
I've asked in a couple places for the stock recovery. If/when I get it I will post a short how to.
I just don't want to lose everything on my phone to get this update.
I did a NAND backup and installed the update manually and there are several improvements I would like to have, such as significantly reduced charging time. But right now, without a custom ROM, the only way to get it is the RUU, and that wipes the phone.
Dennis
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Awesome! Keep me updated
Please Hold.
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Please Hold.
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What do you mean?
Go here for a much better proceedure:
http://androidforums.com/incredible...ng-nov-ota-rooted-incredible.html#post1876792
I am stuck at the bootloader not finding update.zip
any ideas?
stock 2.2 rooted s-off
I am assuming that you can't just apply the update.zip from clockwork because it fails to find the stock apps (which it is trying to update, such as AppSharing, and Flickr, etc.) that I removed.
p.s. step 7 is worded in a misleading way, although I understood what you meant. (reads like - rename the deleted file)
thanks for your help
JDubbz said:
I am stuck at the bootloader not finding update.zip
any ideas?
stock 2.2 rooted s-off
I am assuming that you can't just apply the update.zip from clockwork because it fails to find the stock apps (which it is trying to update, such as AppSharing, and Flickr, etc.) that I removed.
p.s. step 7 is worded in a misleading way, although I understood what you meant. (reads like - rename the deleted file)
thanks for your help
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Having this issue with somebody else. I'm not sure if you can name it PB31IMG.zip or not, but you can try. Worst care, it doesn't load that way either.
I'm helping somebody else with the same issue right now, but his phone is totally hosed up, so I'm taking him back to stock 2.2 first. He has a good Titanium backup, so he won't lose anything.
If anybody else knows why the loader might ignore an update.zip please let me know.
JDubbz said:
I am stuck at the bootloader not finding update.zip
any ideas?
stock 2.2 rooted s-off
I am assuming that you can't just apply the update.zip from clockwork because it fails to find the stock apps (which it is trying to update, such as AppSharing, and Flickr, etc.) that I removed.
p.s. step 7 is worded in a misleading way, although I understood what you meant. (reads like - rename the deleted file)
thanks for your help
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Okay, I have confirmed that you may perform "install sd/update.zip" from ROM Manager. It does work.
I'm still confused; do I have to have the stock recovery to do this?
I am not sure of these steps because I have read the threads from here and the post you put on Android forums as well and both threads are mentioning some issues.
Some posts state payload-update is unneccesary.
Some posts state that these steps are failing.
The post I am most concerned about states that "Rooted STOCK ONLY" means you can't have removed any bloatware either before doing this update. I have several apps removed, do I have to restore them before I take these steps?
Also not sure why folks are asking if they must have stock recovery. The instructions don't say anything about that.
I have noticed that the nagging has stoped on my dinc however if I go to the about update section in setup I find it states that the update has been successfully downloaded and is ready to install. Will this try to install the next time I boot the phone or is OK to boot?
Edit: Forgot to mention Some posts state that the process fails and you have to wait a few hours to continue, that's confusing and not in the instructions.
In summary
1) Do you have to re-install bloatware to make these steps work?
2) Is payload-update really necessary? What does each install in these steps do?
3) Does the process fail at some point if you don't allow the device to sit for a while, if so what step should you let it sit? It would be nice if someone understood this part also, anyone have a possible reason for this requirement?
I was asking if stock recovery is required because I've been told that OTAs won't install correctly if you don't. I was wondering if that still applied.
I got the update notification tonight and I clicked for it to install, and it counted down from ten seconds and said it was going to reboot and install updates, but it never did reboot. I'm guessing this is because I have unrevoked recovery? My gf's non rooted phone did get the update tonight as well, and hers installed without a hitch.
Sent from my HTC Incredible «•» Rooted/S-off/Froyo 2.2 «•»
Rooted, Stock 2.2, S-off, Clockwork; some bloatware removed
Install initiated through clockwork halted on vznav.apk, so I'm guessing it needs the original bloatware. I know that I should have backed it up but I guess my hatred of VZ pushiness got the better of me. Anyone have a work-around?
BrooklynAlex said:
Rooted, Stock 2.2, S-off, Clockwork; some bloatware removed
Install initiated through clockwork halted on vznav.apk, so I'm guessing it needs the original bloatware. I know that I should have backed it up but I guess my hatred of VZ pushiness got the better of me. Anyone have a work-around?
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I guess we need someone to share the bloat apk's; I removed some of them without backing up, too :/
Sorry if this question has been asked before, but i could not find any.
So i got the Nexus beast yesterday, and it's already blazing me off with it's greatness. But i got a few problems though:
1. I got the jakjuxw, not the jakju, will i get the same updates as the jakju OTA, but only a week later or so?
2. I did not root the phone before starting using it, but i regret that now. Is there any way i can root it and NOT lose all of my apps and data? I have spent so many hours to customize this device and i dont want to start all over (yes i know about app backup's, but they are slow)
3. If i root but stay with the stock rom, will i still be getting the original OTA updates or does i have to flash the roms manually and wipe the phone every time?
I'd appreciate it if anyone could answer all the questions =)
Baguett said:
Sorry if this question has been asked before, but i could not find any.
So i got the Nexus beast yesterday, and it's already blazing me off with it's greatness. But i got a few problems though:
1. I got the jakjuxw, not the jakju, will i get the same updates as the jakju OTA, but only a week later or so?
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Not sure about this, it probably depends on what they want to release. I don't think there's any kind of guarantee they'll get the same updates, but there's also probably no reason why they wouldn't.
2. I did not root the phone before starting using it, but i regret that now. Is there any way i can root it and NOT lose all of my apps and data? I have spent so many hours to customize this device and i dont want to start all over (yes i know about app backup's, but they are slow)
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You need to unlock the bootloader to root, and unlocking the bootloader wipes the device. Sorry. Someday an exploit might be found for ICS that allows you to root without unlocking.
3. If i root but stay with the stock rom, will i still be getting the original OTA updates or does i have to flash the roms manually and wipe the phone every time?
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If you keep stock recovery, you'll still get OTA updates when rooted. If you use custom recovery like ClockworkMod, you'll have to do them manually (but you won't need to wipe). In both cases, applying the update will probably cause you to lose root and you'll have to re-root. This is easy if you've unlocked the bootloader.
If you root by using some future exploit, you might find that the update you just installed removed root and closed the hole that allowed you to gain it without unlocking the bootloader, and now you're left stuck without root. I'd say just unlock the bootloader now and be done with it. It'll be a pain, but then you don't need to worry about it again.
phazerorg said:
If you keep stock recovery, you'll still get OTA updates when rooted. If you use custom recovery like ClockworkMod, you'll have to do them manually (but you won't need to wipe). In both cases, applying the update will probably cause you to lose root and you'll have to re-root. This is easy if you've unlocked the bootloader.
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ok thanks
Just unlocked it and rooted it, but i think im gonna install the official google 4.0.2 rom, i wil get the OTA updates then too right?
edit: how am i able to flash a rom without CWM? Also do i really not need to wipe my phone if i use CWM? i had to do it on my Desire.
Baguett said:
ok thanks
Just unlocked it and rooted it, but i think im gonna install the official google 4.0.2 rom, i wil get the OTA updates then too right?
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Yes, but the updates will probably unroot you. You should be able to just re-root after. If using CWM you can probably flash superuser right after flashing the update and not lose root at all. This is what I always did with my Nexus One when I still had the rooted stock ROM.
edit: how am i able to flash a rom without CWM?
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If the ROM comes as images (like the Google factory images) you can flash with fastboot. The Google ones come with a script that uses fastboot to do it for you.
Also do i really not need to wipe my phone if i use CWM? i had to do it on my Desire.
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I meant installing updates here... you don't usually need to wipe if you are installing updates to your current ROM, such as OTA updates to the stock ROM. You need to wipe if you're changing ROMs. It's probably no different than your Desire.
As the topic says I wonder how I do root by phone too still be able to get OTA updates. I've just seen the video at the ROOT INFO tab, but I have been given to understund that OTAs won't be possible with custom recovery. So my questin, is there another way to do this?
sopidos said:
As the topic says I wonder how I do root by phone too still be able to get OTA updates. I've just seen the video at the ROOT INFO tab, but I have been given to understund that OTAs won't be possible with custom recovery. So my questin, is there another way to do this?
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To, my personal knowledge... yeah you can root your device and still RECEIVE OTA's to your device, however when you need to install them... you'll need to flash the stock recovery so that it installs, then you can just go ahead and flash the custom recovery back that's what i'd do anyway.
Ok, I wound this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167 just now. Will this do the thing without screwing up the stock recovery?
Historically it's always been the advice to NOT use OTA updates when rooted as they do more harm than good. If you're going custom I'd stick with that
sopidos said:
Ok, I wound this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167 just now. Will this do the thing without screwing up the stock recovery?
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This is new to me, i can't comment on it but from what i've read, yeah it seems to push the files to the device without the need of a custom recovery, personally i prefer the custom recovery way because you can carry on many different tasks which stock recovery can't
That link doesn't work, it's for the AT&T model (One XL)
EddyOS said:
That link doesn't work, it's for the AT&T model (One XL)
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I thought this, but the title made me think differently.
Sent from my now amazing HTC One X thanks to TeamVenoms ViperX rom
was wondering can i just root my m8 without flashing recovery all i want is to install adaway to block ads thats if someone could please advise
Depending on what build you are on (newer ones can't go it), you may be able to fastboot boot recovery instead of flashing recovery. Once booted into recovery, you can flash SU or SuperSU.
You need to be bootloader unlocked either way. So I actually don't see a point in doing what you ask. Once you root, you can always install stock recovery again.
redpoint73 said:
Depending on what build you are on (newer ones can't go it), you may be able to fastboot boot recovery instead of flashing recovery. Once booted into recovery, you can flash SU or SuperSU.
You need to be bootloader unlocked either way. So I actually don't see a point in doing what you ask. Once you root, you can always install stock recovery again.
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ok thanks i get phone tomorrow so will give it a go i used to have s5 which was easy to root this sounds complicated
pnr2020 said:
ok thanks i get phone tomorrow so will give it a go i used to have s5 which was easy to root this sounds complicated
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Every device and manufacturer has its own subtle differences and learning curve. Its really not what hard, just read up and make sure you understand before messing around with it.
pnr2020 said:
was wondering can i just root my m8 without flashing recovery all i want is to install adaway to block ads thats if someone could please advise
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Follow this guide for rooting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/vomerguides-m8-bootldr-unlock-s-off-t2800727
but as redpoint73 said you have to unlock bootloader and install custom recovery.
Rantrave07 said:
but as redpoint73 said you have to unlock bootloader and install custom recovery.
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That is not exactly what I said. If the phone is 4.4.3 or 4.4.2, OP should be able to fastboot boot recovery without flashing it. Then flash SU/SuperSU. I've seen others do it this way, although I personally don't see much point to it.
But yes, bootloader still needs to be unlocked.
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That is not exactly what I said. If the phone is 4.4.3 or 4.4.2, OP should be able to fastboot boot recovery without flashing it. Then flash SU/SuperSU. I've seen others do it this way, although I personally don't see much point to it.
But yes, bootloader still needs to be unlocked.
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yeah one can always flash the stock recovery after rooting.
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That is not exactly what I said. If the phone is 4.4.3 or 4.4.2, OP should be able to fastboot boot recovery without flashing it. Then flash SU/SuperSU. I've seen others do it this way, although I personally don't see much point to it.
But yes, bootloader still needs to be unlocked.
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Booting it instead of flashing it is better if you want to make a backup of stock recovery. Especially if it's Philz that you're booting since TWRP doesn't seem to make backups of the stock recovery anyways.
Using the dd command to make a "copy" of the recovery works if you're rooted and to be rooted you have to have custom recovery which doesn't help much since you lose stock recovery the moment you flash the custom one, but if you boot it and root then at least you can use the dd command if that is the way you want to make a "backup" of your stock recovery. Silly little circle to run around in
BerndM14 said:
Booting it instead of flashing it is better if you want to make a backup of stock recovery. Especially if it's Philz that you're booting since TWRP doesn't seem to make backups of the stock recovery anyways.
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Yes, I was aware of that; although it didn't seem to be the OP's goal. But thanks for pointing it out for their benefit.
thanks everyone for advice im sure i will get it right just one more quick question can you still upgrade with OTA when rooted or is it like other phones where you can not
Rantrave07 said:
Follow this guide for rooting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/vomerguides-m8-bootldr-unlock-s-off-t2800727
but as redpoint73 said you have to unlock bootloader and install custom recovery.
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thank you for the guide that makes it sound straight forward
pnr2020 said:
thank you for the guide that makes it sound straight forward
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:good: glad it helped
The m8 was a little complicated at first than my previous phone the nexus 5 but I figured out the m8 and I love it a lot more than my n5
spinninbsod said:
The m8 was a little complicated at first than my previous phone the nexus 5 but I figured out the m8 and I love it a lot more than my n5[/QUOE
At first i wasn't sure i liked it but im getting used to it. When lollypop comes out do i need to restore to stock or can i just OTA and root again
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pnr2020 said:
spinninbsod said:
The m8 was a little complicated at first than my previous phone the nexus 5 but I figured out the m8 and I love it a lot more than my n5[/QUOE
At first i wasn't sure i liked it but im getting used to it. When lollypop comes out do i need to restore to stock or can i just OTA and root again
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To get updates you need a stock ROM unmodified, it can be rooted just do not mess with build.prop or platform.xml. However, to be able to install updates you need a stock recovery.
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pnr2020 said:
To get updates you need a stock ROM unmodified, it can be rooted just do not mess with build.prop or platform.xml. However, to be able to install updates you need a stock recovery.
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thank you for info so if i stay on stock rom rooted i will have no trouble installing lollypop when released
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XSL-FO said:
thank you for info so if i stay on stock rom rooted i will have no trouble installing lollypop when released
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As long as you have a stock recovery it's all good. But even if you have a custom one, before doing the update install a custom recovery. Make the update, and after that if you want flash again a custom recovery.
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I don't really need a custom recovery (I don't know of any features custom recovery will give me I really need?) and for now I'm fine running stock roms (I always give stock a few weeks just as a baseline before I start custom roms) but I was wondering, how would one go about rooting the OP3 without installing a custom recovery?
Is it possible / easily doable? Or am I better off just to flash some custom recovery and ditch the stock one?
The reason I don't want to go away from stock just yet is I know oneplus is still updating the rom and custom recoveries, historically, have made OTA updates problematic.
Rooting will also mess up Ota too, but if u install a custom recovery, now that we have stock recovery it will be very easy to revert back for OTAs, there should be a way to root without a custom recovery but I am not sure how though, but with how oneplus makes it so easy to unlock bootloader and flash customers stuff there is really no need to stay stock
You can simply connect your OP3 to a PC and boot to TWRP without flashing it:
fastboot boot twrp.img
Then do a backup with twrp before rooting. I use the above method with systemless root
and also don't really need a custom recovery at this point. This might change once CM13 matures on the OP3...
OTAs might work this way in the future. If they don't, restore your system + boot (kernel) partition
and try the OTA again.
edit: implying your bootloader is already unlocked
pileot said:
I don't really need a custom recovery (I don't know of any features custom recovery will give me I really need?) and for now I'm fine running stock roms (I always give stock a few weeks just as a baseline before I start custom roms) but I was wondering, how would one go about rooting the OP3 without installing a custom recovery?
Is it possible / easily doable? Or am I better off just to flash some custom recovery and ditch the stock one?
The reason I don't want to go away from stock just yet is I know oneplus is still updating the rom and custom recoveries, historically, have made OTA updates problematic.
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As far as I know, you'd have to have TWRP to get root.
I don't think getting it rooted will mess up the OTA updates, other users sprovide flashable zips for the OTA anyway.. so you can still flash the zips manually with TWRP to keep you updated.
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To get root yes, you would need TWRP to flash to certain partitions but to keep root no. Your phone will operate just fine with root and stock recovery. Check what the user a few posts above mine said about temporary flashing TWRP to achieve your short term goals
AcmE85 said:
You can simply connect your OP3 to a PC and boot to TWRP without flashing it:
fastboot boot twrp.img
Then do a backup with twrp before rooting. I use the above method with systemless root
and also don't really need a custom recovery at this point. This might change once CM13 matures on the OP3...
OTAs might work this way in the future. If they don't, restore your system + boot (kernel) partition
and try the OTA again.
edit: implying your bootloader is already unlocked
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So have you actually done this by temporary booting twrp and then using the systemless root and still have stock recovery? Also how do I root systemless? Really wanna know because wanna keep stock recovery and have root
TheSvensson said:
So have you actually done this by temporary booting twrp and then using the systemless root and still have stock recovery? Also how do I root systemless? Really wanna know because wanna keep stock recovery and have root
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Yes, I have the stock recovery and it is rooted.
The recovery partition has nothing to do with all the other partitions except that it can read and write them.
This is the zip I flashed to get systemless root:
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24591000424939898
Some users reported that some Root-apps are not supported this way.
I am using Titanium Backup, Adaway, Trimmer and Root Explorer without issues.
Keep in mind that I did not get any OTA so far since running this setup, so I am not sure if official OTAs will or will not work.
All I did was manually flash OxygenOS 3.1.3 in TWRP (not flashed but booted) and reflash the root package afterwards.
AcmE85 said:
You can simply connect your OP3 to a PC and boot to TWRP without flashing it:
fastboot boot twrp.img
Then do a backup with twrp before rooting. I use the above method with systemless root
and also don't really need a custom recovery at this point. This might change once CM13 matures on the OP3...
OTAs might work this way in the future. If they don't, restore your system + boot (kernel) partition
and try the OTA again.
edit: implying your bootloader is already unlocked
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I have an unlocked bootloader and tried this on my PC:
C:\adb>fastboot boot twrp.img
downloading 'boot.img'...
OKAY [ 0.709s]
booting...
OKAY [ 0.373s]
finished. total time: 1.092s
Nothing happens, bootloader start screen stays frozen. Until I hold down the power button. Might you know why?
AcmE85 said:
You can simply connect your OP3 to a PC and boot to TWRP without flashing it:
fastboot boot twrp.img
Then do a backup with twrp before rooting. I use the above method with systemless root
and also don't really need a custom recovery at this point. This might change once CM13 matures on the OP3...
OTAs might work this way in the future. If they don't, restore your system + boot (kernel) partition
and try the OTA again.
edit: implying your bootloader is already unlocked
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i tried to boot into twrp recovery with above command, but the phone seems to be stuck in the bootloader and not responding. Any ideas?
edit: comment above describes exact same behaviour, sorry for double post
Sorry, don't know. Booting takes a couple seconds on my device though.
I am using this recovery img: http://www6.zippyshare.com/v/iK6tCE6D/file.html
Got it from XDA, but unfortunately don't know anymore who build it.
AcmE85 said:
Sorry, don't know. Booting takes a couple seconds on my device though.
I am using this recovery img: http://www6.zippyshare.com/v/iK6tCE6D/file.html
Got it from XDA, but unfortunately don't know anymore who build it.
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Thanks, that twrp img worked for me. The one I was using didnt allow me to boot to it.
AcmE85 said:
Keep in mind that I did not get any OTA so far since running this setup, so I am not sure if official OTAs will or will not work.
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Any chance you know if you get OTA by now?
I really like the Op3 and dont wont to change anything except i would like to habe root access. Your method seems to be the best way to achieve that.
hahamuntz said:
Any chance you know if you get OTA by now?
I really like the Op3 and dont wont to change anything except i would like to habe root access. Your method seems to be the best way to achieve that.
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The updater will recognize root on your device and download the full 1.3 gb Rom file.
But after updating root will be gone, so you will have to reflash root after each ota.
AcmE85 said:
The updater will recognize root on your device and download the full 1.3 gb Rom file.
But after updating root will be gone, so you will have to reflash root after each ota.
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Thanks for the quick answer
Just to make sure, if I root using this method nothing will change, except I have root access, my bootloader is unlocked and the updates will be big, but I can update the normal way, I will just lose the root access? Is that correct or am I missing something?
hahamuntz said:
Thanks for the quick answer
Just to make sure, if I root using this method nothing will change, except I have root access, my bootloader is unlocked and the updates will be big, but I can update the normal way, I will just lose the root access? Is that correct or am I missing something?
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One more thing:
If you have TWRP, automatically installing the big OTA will remove it and go back to the stock recovery.
I always manually move the downloaded ota from android/data/com.oneplus.ota/files/.OnePlusOta
to my download folder, boot into TWRP and flash it + SuperSU on my own.
AcmE85 said:
One more thing:
If you have TWRP, automatically installing the big OTA will remove it and go back to the stock recovery.
I always manually move the downloaded ota from android/data/com.oneplus.ota/files/.OnePlusOta
to my download folder, boot into TWRP and flash it + SuperSU on my own.
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So you have TWRP installed? I thought you won't get OTAs if you have a custom recovery? So i could just flash TWRP and root and still get OTAs?
hahamuntz said:
So you have TWRP installed? I thought you won't get OTAs if you have a custom recovery? So i could just flash TWRP and root and still get OTAs?
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Yes, OTAs will come and because of Root you will get the full OTA regardless, which does not cause any issues with TWRP.
I tried my previous method and the regular OTA would fail because of root which changes the kernel or the system partition.
OnePlus reacted to this and introduced the full rom OTAs at some point.
So with root on my device this is how I do OTAs now:
- get the OTA notification for the full rom
- download but don't install
- move the downloaded zip from android/data/com.oneplus.ota/files/.OnePlusOta to my download folder
- manually boot into twrp and flash full rom zip + SuperSU
AcmE85 said:
Yes, OTAs will come and because of Root you will get the full OTA regardless which does not cause any issues with TWRP.
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Okay, thanks so much for your help