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SuperSU and Stock Recovery

is there away to install SuperSU when you have stock recovery? I'm thinking that we have to have either CWM/TWRP to install the zip. or am I having a brain fart on this.....
Thanks for whomever can clear my cobwebs..

You need a custom recovery (TWRP or CWM).

bkeaver said:
is there away to install SuperSU when you have stock recovery? I'm thinking that we have to have either CWM/TWRP to install the zip. or am I having a brain fart on this.....
Thanks for whomever can clear my cobwebs..
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You can install it if you have the bootloader unlocked.
Use boot command instead of flash to boot into custom recovery and install su.
e.g
Fastboot boot twrp.img

uronfire said:
You can install it if you have the bootloader unlocked.
Use boot command instead of flash to boot into custom recovery and install su.
e.g
Fastboot boot twrp.img
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Yes, this.
However, why bother keeping stock recovery at all? Stock recovery is effectively neutered once rooted, as you can no longer install an OTA.

uronfire said:
You can install it if you have the bootloader unlocked.
Use boot command instead of flash to boot into custom recovery and install su.
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Fastboot boot twrp.img
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Thanks this worked :good:

so when I go into recovery now I get a image of a htc one with a red triangle and exclamation mark inside of it?? since I have never went into recovery on this phone before isn't it supposed to look like any other stock recovery??? and if this isn't right I have tried flashing the recovery already and still get the same result... can someone expand on this for me pls

bkeaver said:
so when I go into recovery now I get a image of a htc one with a red triangle and exclamation mark inside of it?? since I have never went into recovery on this phone before isn't it supposed to look like any other stock recovery??? and if this isn't right I have tried flashing the recovery already and still get the same result... can someone expand on this for me pls
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You have stock recovery.

BenPope said:
You have stock recovery.
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so it doesn't give you flash update and wipe and all that anymore.. sorry like I said I have never went into recovery on this phone.. just making sure...

bkeaver said:
so it doesn't give you flash update and wipe and all that anymore.. sorry like I said I have never went into recovery on this phone.. just making sure...
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I think you have to hold volume up and hit power or something.

ok I am good.. thank you... I'm putting everything back to stock because someone bought my phone and I just want to make sure everything is correct on it now.. thanks!!

redpoint73 said:
Yes, this.
However, why bother keeping stock recovery at all? Stock recovery is effectively neutered once rooted, as you can no longer install an OTA.
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i sold the phone and this is what they requested. I know the OTA wont work and I never keep stock recoveries on my phones but.... I guess they will find out for themselves

and btw thanks everyone for the help. I hit my thanks button but on my browser it it isn't showing it just to let you know....

bkeaver said:
i sold the phone and this is what they requested. I know the OTA wont work and I never keep stock recoveries on my phones but.... I guess they will find out for themselves
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Sounds like somebody that is a bit ill-informed. They want root, but they probably also want OTA (the 2 don't go together, IMO) and heard that you need stock recovery for OTA. I suppose they can change everything back that they modified with root, and unroot or hide root to install the OTA. But it just seems they are making life more complicated than it needs to be.
Also sounds like its a person that wants root, but not willing to do it themselves. But I suppose that's not really your problem!

Option to root and have ota is very easy :
Stock rom (unmodified but rooted)
Stock recovery
And you can ota. The ota will probably delete superuser but that's about it. The ota will not fail because its rooted as long as the stock rom/apps are unmodified

Mr Hofs said:
Option to root and have ota is very easy :
Stock rom (unmodified but rooted)
Stock recovery
And you can ota. The ota will probably delete superuser but that's about it. The ota will not fail because its rooted as long as the stock rom/apps are unmodified
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yeah this is what I did for them so who knows.. I've never tried it that way but i guess it would work like that

redpoint73 said:
Yes, this.
However, why bother keeping stock recovery at all? Stock recovery is effectively neutered once rooted, as you can no longer install an OTA.
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Rooting doesn't affect ota's, at least not in my experience.

ashyx said:
Rooting doesn't affect ota's, at least not in my experience.
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Only if absolutely nothing was changed with the stock ROM.
Its more my point there is little point to installing OTAs on a rooted device.

redpoint73 said:
Only if absolutely nothing was changed with the stock ROM.
Its more my point there is little point to installing OTAs on a rooted device.
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I don't understand that statement. I still run stock sense, but with a few additions that don't affect ota's. So I still get updates while having things configured the way I want. I can also run things that require root such as titanium backup and a few others.

ashyx said:
I don't understand that statement. I still run stock sense, but with a few additions that don't affect ota's. So I still get updates while having things configured the way I want. I can also run things that require root such as titanium backup and a few others.
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Because once you accept an OTA, you will be unrooted. You will have to root again, either by installing custom recovery (than back to stock recovery so you can OTA) or the trick of booting custom recovery via adb to flash SU (as described here). Its just a lot of jumping through hoops with little added value.
On the other hand, if you have custom recovery installed, you can flash any of the array of stock rooted or awesome custom ROMs posted here. This includes stock rooted ROMs taken from OTA updates from lots of versions (often posted within days of the OTA starting to roll out), not just your carrier, so you can possibly get an update much faster than waiting for the OTA to roll out from your carrier (although that depends on what carrier version you have). You also don't have to constantly be worried "well, if I change this I won't get OTAs". You can do whatever the heck you want, and isn't that really the whole point of root?
Its just my opinion. And a lot of this may stem from the fact that I'm on AT&T, who are not only agonizingly slow about rolling out OTAs (sometimes 3-4 months or even later than other carriers on my past HTC device) and have even went to the effort to close exploits and prevent unlocking of bootloaders when rolling out new OTAs (on the One X EVITA). In fact there was even a bug (I assume it was a bug - others may accuse that it was intentional) where installing the Jellybean OTA with SuperCID and S-on bricked the phone.
As I said, its just an opinion. But there are many others on XDA that will agree that OTAs have no place on rooted Android devices.
And to be fair, I did cover myself and stated "there is little point" instead of "there is no point"

Lost root and cant boot into twrp after 4.4.4 OTA update

Hi, My htc m8 is bootloader unlocked from htcdev and was rooted at 4.4.3 with stock rom and S-on.Yesterday i got 4.4.4 ota update and after the update,I lost my root which was rooted by supersu.Then i tried to boot into twrp via fastboot by issuing this command:
fastboot boot openrecovery-twrp-2.8.1.0-m8.img
and pc screen says download ok and reboot but phone still stays at fastboot screen and just hangs there.Then i will have to keep pressing the power button to boot it normally. and this method of booting into twrp without actually flashing was working before.Any ideas please.Thanks.

Yeah it stopped working. Flash the custom recovery. When you get the new ota you download it but install it later and extract the recovery.img from the new ota and flash that before installing the new ota.

Mr Hofs said:
Yeah it stopped working. Flash the custom recovery. When you get the new ota you download it but install it later and extract the recovery.img from the new ota and flash that before installing the new ota.
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Thanks for the reply. Actually i have allready saved my ota file before upgrading.Can i do anything without flashing custom recovery?

Well depends on what you want to do. Give root access is only possible with a custom recovery......

Mr Hofs said:
Well depends on what you want to do. Give root access is only possible with a custom recovery......
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Ok. So if i understand correctly, i will flash twrp and will reroot by flashing supersu again. right.
and what would be the benefit of extracting the recovery from ota and flashing as i have already updated to 4.4.4.I would like to get root again and want to remove the traces of twrp so that in future i can get OTA updates like now as i backedup everything by booting into twrp but without flashing it.sorry for the questions as i am kind a newbie. Thanks

ninja_zx11 said:
Ok. So if i understand correctly, i will flash twrp and will reroot by flashing supersu again. right.
and what would be the benefit of extracting the recovery from ota and flashing as i have already updated to 4.4.4.I would like to get root again and want to remove the traces of twrp so that in future i can get OTA updates like now as i backedup everything by booting into twrp but without flashing it.sorry for the questions as i am kind a newbie. Thanks
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You can always return to stock recovery. You're making it harder than it needs to be.

redpoint73 said:
You can always return to stock recovery. You're making it harder than it needs to be.
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Alright..i am going to flash twrp then.Thanks for the help guys.

Receiving OTA updates while rooted

I'm planning on rooting my Moto Z Play but staying on the stock ROM as it has better battery life (according to XDA members) compared to LineageOS. I also really like Moto Display and all of the other exclusive features to this ROM.
However, I still want to receive OTAs after doing so. I've read that an app called FlashFire can help me with this.
Question 1: Do the OTAs download even if your system is rooted? I've read that some phones do download the OTAs, but fail when the flashing starts as they have a custom recovery, while some phones don't even download at all once it detects that you're rooted.
Question 2: Will it work even if I have TWRP installed?
Thank you.

Hi i dont think you can receive OTAs after unlocking bootloader and iff you do they will fail on installation as you have said. Secondly in my opinion you are right and i have tried almost all the roms on here and by far the stock N is the best rom for fluidity battery life app compatibility etc so i went back to stock but the deodexed N debloated version because im rooted. Iff i were you i would not root at this time because i think Official Oreo is about to be released for our phone and it would be a good idea to hangon a while but that is entirely your choice.

djdelarosa25 said:
However, I still want to receive OTAs after doing so. I've read that an app called FlashFire can help me with this.
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Never really tested Flashify and FlashFire. If you succeed please write how it works, which steps to do to be on the safe side
djdelarosa25 said:
Question 1: Do the OTAs download even if your system is rooted? I've read that some phones do download the OTAs, but fail when the flashing starts as they have a custom recovery, while some phones don't even download at all once it detects that you're rooted.
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Download fine. Install fails, yes.
djdelarosa25 said:
Question 2: Will it work even if I have TWRP installed?
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No. That's why I never install twrp, I just boot it when needed. You need a computer and a cable every time you want to start twrp, but recovery partition stays untouched using fastboot boot.
Idea is:
1. Take a backup of boot partition before rooting
2. Install the kernel you need to avoid f2fs problems, then Magisk. Both modifies the boot partition, nothing else.
When an OTA arrives, you restore your backup of boot partition and everything is stock. OTA is supposed to work fine.

In theory, if I just run TWRP off from the PC and flash SuperSU on my phone without flashing TWRP, I would be rooted, right? And the OTAs would install, but I will lose root access?

djdelarosa25 said:
And the OTAs would install, but I will lose root access?
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No. SuperSU modifies boot partition. OTA do not install while boot partition is modified.
You need to restore NANDROID backup of original stock boot partition prior to rooting, then you should be fine for install OTA.
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Just an additional hint: Modifying logo also prevents OTA. If you suppress that unlocked bootloader warning with a different logo, of course you need to restore the original logo partition before applying OTA.

tag68 said:
No. SuperSU modifies boot partition. OTA do not install while boot partition is modified.
You need to restore NANDROID backup of original stock boot partition prior to rooting, then you should be fine for install OTA.
Just an additional hint: Modifying logo also prevents OTA. If you suppress that unlocked bootloader warning with a different logo, of course you need to restore the original logo partition before applying OTA.
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That's a pity. Oh well, I might just have to wait for Oreo.
Thanks a lot!

"'Just an additional hint: Modifying logo also prevents OTA"
Actually...not my experience. I have an unlocked bootloader, flashed a stock rom file by file, except for logo.bin, which is a modded one to get rid of the annoying "untrustworthy" startup screen.
All worked well and recently got the OTA update all installed as normal by the system.
Will wait now to get the official oreo update before i muck around further.
Actually, on the 22-2-8 build on the phone now it runs really well and battery life is great. Getting over 2 days in my usage pattern easy.
Camera good as well. Got some nice photos of the local beach last night.

You can get back to stock, and get ota's
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/how-to/guide-relock-bootloader-to-lasted-stock-t3718190

Note: Lock of Bootloader is not required to get OTA update. It makes sure that you do no action which prevents OTA, but if you take care this does not happen (for instance not rooting which modifies system or boot partition), you eg can take advantage of Nandroid backup only booting TWRP for this purpose.

Root and update OTA?

Hello ,
I will have a ONE PLUS 5T.
I would like to root this one to have adblocker...
First question : How could root this?
Second question: If my phone is rooted, is it possible to have update OTA (or like samsung, impossible after)?
Thank you;

If you replace the stock recovery with a custom recovery, like TWRP, OTAs will not work. However, if retain the stock recovery and simply boot TWRP in fastboot mode, you will be able to root your stock phone and receive OTAs. Just use the ADB command <fastboot boot twro_xxx.img> or simply flash back to a stock recovery image every time an OTA comes in.

jim262 said:
If you replace the stock recovery with a custom recovery, like TWRP, OTAs will not work. However, if retain the stock recovery and simply boot TWRP in fastboot mode, you will be able to root your stock phone and receive OTAs. Just use the ADB command <fastboot boot twro_xxx.img> or simply flash back to a stock recovery image every time an OTA comes in.
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it's chinese for me your answer... is there a tutorial for that?

ilan78 said:
it's chinese for me your answer... is there a tutorial for that?
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Guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-unlock-bootloader-flash-twrp-t3704592
You can't use OTAs after you root. You'll need to download the full update every time one is released and flash it in TWRP.

ilan78 said:
it's chinese for me your answer... is there a tutorial for that?
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If that is a major issue for you, use the TWRP recovery from blu_spark, otherwise, simply go into your TWRP settings and set the language to English or... Either way the language has nothing to do with functionality and it operates the basically the same.

jim262 said:
If that is a major issue for you, use the TWRP recovery from blu_spark, otherwise, simply go into your TWRP settings and set the language to English or... Either way the language has nothing to do with functionality and it operates the basically the same.
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Jim your answer wasn't Chinese to me and made perfect sense thank you. I have a doubt, if I just use "fastboot boot *TWRP*.IMG" and root and flash exposed too, will I be able to receive otas and update offically and redo boot TWRP and root and flash exposed again without problems?

santor said:
Jim your answer wasn't Chinese to me and made perfect sense thank you. I have a doubt, if I just use "fastboot boot *TWRP*.IMG" and root and flash exposed too, will I be able to receive otas and update offically and redo boot TWRP and root and flash exposed again without problems?
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No. You should NEVER take an OTA if you have root. You can dirty flash the full update zip in TWRP when they're released though.

shadeau said:
No. You should NEVER take an OTA if you have root. You can dirty flash the full update zip in TWRP when they're released though.
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If we root our device.can we install ota manually via twrp ??
If yes, then how??

Amanpreetsingh said:
If we root our device.can we install ota manually via twrp ??
If yes, then how??
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Let me clarify: OTA stands for Over-The-Air and implies that you're going to download the partial update from OnePlus and install it in stock recovery. Do NOT do this.
OnePlus usually publishes full zips of their updates when the OTA is released. Currently a mirror for them exists in the guides section. You can flash those (>1 GB) safely in TWRP to update OOS.

santor said:
Jim your answer wasn't Chinese to me and made perfect sense thank you. I have a doubt, if I just use "fastboot boot *TWRP*.IMG" and root and flash exposed too, will I be able to receive otas and update offically and redo boot TWRP and root and flash exposed again without problems?
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Here is the reality. YES. You can still receive OTAs with root, However, the OTA will break the root and you will need to reroot your device. Those who are saying no are wrong. It is very simple. To process an OTA, your phone needs stock recovery. TWRP will not process an OTA. So if you have stock recovery in your recovery partition and you reboot your phone into fastboot mode and from your PC, run the ADB command, <fastboot boot twrp_xxx.img>, you will boot up the TWRP image and will be able to run it as one normally would, but you will still have stock recovery loaded in the recovery partition.[QRCODE][/QRCODE]
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shadeau said:
No. You should NEVER take an OTA if you have root. You can dirty flash the full update zip in TWRP when they're released though.
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What's the difference? You still need to reroot.

jim262 said:
Here is the reality. YES. You can still receive OTAs with root, However, the OTA will break the root and you will need to reroot your device. Those who are saying no are wrong. It is very simple. To process an OTA, your phone needs stock recovery. TWRP will not process an OTA. So if you have stock recovery in your recovery partition and you reboot your phone into fastboot mode and from your PC, run the ADB command, <fastboot boot twrp_xxx.img>, you will boot up the TWRP image and will be able to run it as one normally would, but you will still have stock recovery loaded in the recovery partition.[QRCODE][/QRCODE]
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What's the difference? You still need to reroot.
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I apologize if I'm out of the loop. When I first read about OTAs with root I was on a Samsung device and everyone said that it would either brick the phone or upgrade the OS with no way to re-root the device. Looking through your answer it's obvious that that fear probably only applies to Samsung devices. Thanks for correcting me on this.

jim262 said:
Here is the reality. YES. You can still receive OTAs with root, However, the OTA will break the root and you will need to reroot your device. Those who are saying no are wrong. It is very simple. To process an OTA, your phone needs stock recovery. TWRP will not process an OTA. So if you have stock recovery in your recovery partition and you reboot your phone into fastboot mode and from your PC, run the ADB command, <fastboot boot twrp_xxx.img>, you will boot up the TWRP image and will be able to run it as one normally would, but you will still have stock recovery loaded in the recovery partition.[QRCODE][/QRCODE]
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What's the difference? You still need to reroot.
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Thanks Jim , I can confirm this works without problems on op5t. I had TWRP flashed and rooted with xposed installed.
I clean flashed the 4.7.1 stock ROM and got stock recovery and fresh os.
Just booted to TWRP using fastboot boot and rooted / installed xposed.
I got OTA updated to 4.7.2 and rerooted using fastboot boot TWRP and now rooted with xposed on stock ROM and stock recovery. ?

I have a question :
I would like to root without lost everything.
Is it possible? if yes , how?

ilan78 said:
I have a question :
I would like to root without lost everything.
Is it possible? if yes , how?
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Exactly like I said. Rooting, by itself, does not wipe your storage. The only time your storage is wiped is when you unlock your (bootloader) phone, when you manually choose to wipe storage in TWRP or when you do a factory reset. If you do not have an unlocked bootlader, you must make a backup of your files first, as once you unlock it does a factory reset. You can then run TWRP and restore your files. You are now rooted with your files and ability to take OTAs. There are plenty of tutorials here on XDA describing the process step by step. May I suggest you do a search first. You are very likely to get all the answers to these questions as they have been asked many, many times.

Thank you.
so my question is FOR ROOTING, i HAVE TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
And how Back up my data, my apps, all my settings without root or TWRP?

ilan78 said:
Thank you.
so my question is FOR ROOTING, i HAVE TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
And how Back up my data, my apps, all my settings without root or TWRP?
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Look through the Magisk forum. They have a method of rooting that doesn't require a custom recovery.
I use helium backup for my non-root app backup needs. Settings are trickier and I typically do them over every time. Super backup & restore is good for call logs, texts, and contacts.

ilan78 said:
Thank you.
so my question is FOR ROOTING, i HAVE TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
And how Back up my data, my apps, all my settings without root or TWRP?
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Did you read my post? The answers are all there. SEARCH! This question has been asked several times a day. You need to back up your data to another site, such as cloud, other device or PC. Then unlock bootloader, run TWRP and root file, then restore data. Tutorials are online. Now SEARCH!

ilan78 said:
Thank you.
so my question is FOR ROOTING, i HAVE TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
And how Back up my data, my apps, all my settings without root or TWRP?
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Man seriously! You got your answers and still you keep asking. Makes me wonder if you are just trolling

Non-trolling question - I am experienced when it comes to flashing/rooting. So if I want to stay with TWRP, I have to sacrifice OTA's, but it will be possible to flash the new updated zips and still keep my data via dirty flashing? Any negatives to doing this?

Tefzors said:
Non-trolling question - I am experienced when it comes to flashing/rooting. So if I want to stay with TWRP, I have to sacrifice OTA's, but it will be possible to flash the new updated zips and still keep my data via dirty flashing? Any negatives to doing this?
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Yes, as far as I know, if on stock OOS, you download the full zip (over 1GB in size), flash that in TWRP, and then flash root solution right after (before leaving TWRP) to prevent it being overwritten by the stock recovery.
I don't think dirty flashing has any downsides, but if you do end up running into issues, a clean flash usually solves them

Question on losing root after OTA

So op 5t released a new update, whenever i open the update screen it says root detected, i would lose my root privileges if I update the phone.
I wanted to know whether i would only lose my root, or entire thing of bootloader getting locked etc?
After updating will I be able to just boot into recovery and flash root file? Or whole process I would have to do again
Thanks

Updates reinstall the stock recovery. You have to flash twrp then root.

virusshah1997 said:
So op 5t released a new update, whenever i open the update screen it says root detected, i would lose my root privileges if I update the phone.
I wanted to know whether i would only lose my root, or entire thing of bootloader getting locked etc?
After updating will I be able to just boot into recovery and flash root file? Or whole process I would have to do again
Thanks
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When you install an OTA it will NOT relock your bootloader, it will reinstall the stock recovery since that is included in the OTA zip and is forced installed to be sure the update installs correctly.
You will lose the root temporarily until you flash a custom recovery again and your root of choice.

Misanful said:
When you install an OTA it will NOT relock your bootloader, it will reinstall the stock recovery since that is included in the OTA zip and is forced installed to be sure the update installs correctly.
You will lose the root temporarily until you flash a custom recovery again and your root of choice.
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I have to flash TWRP again?

virusshah1997 said:
I have to flash TWRP again?
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yes.

Misanful said:
yes.
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Wait, really? https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/blob/master/docs/tips.md#ota-installation-tips doesn't say anything about having to flash twrp again...
When an OTA is available, please go to Magisk Manager → Uninstall → Restore Images. Do not reboot immediately or you will have Magisk uninstalled. This will restore your boot (or dtbo if available) back to 100% untouched stock images in order to pass verifications. This step is required before doing any of the following steps written below!
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Or does "100% stock images" mean the stock bootloader = flash twrp again?
Just to clearify, updating my phone by an OTA does not lock the bootloader but I'd have to flash twrp and magisk again..?

Yakumichan said:
Wait, really? https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/blob/master/docs/tips.md#ota-installation-tips doesn't say anything about having to flash twrp again...
Or does "100% stock images" mean the stock bootloader = flash twrp again?
Just to clearify, updating my phone by an OTA does not lock the bootloader but I'd have to flash twrp and magisk again..?
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yee, but after you have used the OTA you will need to flash twrp again since the OTA flashes the stock recovery, or modify your boot image but that is a pain in the ass. :silly:

Misanful said:
yee, but after you have used the OTA you will need to flash twrp again since the OTA flashes the stock recovery, or modify your boot image but that is a pain in the ass. :silly:
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Means if I'd like to unroot my phone by doing nothing, this is probably the easiest way?