Am I alone? - One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Am I alone? - One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Guys and gals, let me start off by saying that I am an absolute phone whore. Last year alone, I owned almost every single flagship at one point or another. I've rooted all my phones, have flashed 100's of roms, etc. You can check my posting history, blah, blah. I'm not trying to brag or anything, I just want people to know that I'm not some Android noob.
Anyhow, I am most recently coming from a Nexus 5 and a Note 3 before that. Last year, I owned the HTC One M7 twice. Each time for about a week. The first time is when my gf and I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile. When we didn't get good reception at work, we switched to AT&T and I once again got the M7. We are still on AT&T, but I dumped my M7 after a week on AT&T for the Note 3. Anyhow, here were my issues with the M7 that I see again with the M8:
1. After all the constant "excellent build quality" praise that the M7 and now M8 constantly get, I really just don't see it. Based on materials alone, yes, the M7 and M8 are excellent in materials. In actual build quality, they are both quite poor in my opinion. Both of my M7's from last year had screen fitment issues where they weren't flush with the top and bottom speaker grills. It annoyed the heck out of my OCD self and was one of the few reasons why I returned them both.
My M8 has a very similar issue. On the right side of the phone, the top and bottom speaker grills are raised above the glass. So my finger snags when I'm swiping up or down on the screen. Super annoying and I'm going to exchange it for sure, if I even keep this phone in general.
2. The LED notification light....if you can call it one. Is HTC the only smartphone manufacturer that doesn't understand the importance and desire from consumers to have a bright, legible and multi-colored LED notification light? The one on the M7 and now M8 is pathetic. Might as well not even have one. It is the size of a pinhole, can only show green or amber, and it is next to useless.
To HTC's credit, the one on the M8 does seem to be a bit more visible than it was on the M7, but it could be in my head. And also keep in mind that I knew exactly what I was getting into when I bought the M8, so it's my own fault with this issue. I still wanted to mention it however as it still bothers me.
3. The camera. I will keep this one short as there is constant discussion about it and people have varying opinions. My opinion is that it's lackluster, and I never thought I would say my Nexus 5 camera is better than a premium flagship phone. But it is, and I will leave it at that.
And once again, I knew what I was getting into before I purchased the M8, but I fell for HTC's duo camera marketing thinking it might somehow make 4mp's better than 4mp's. It didn't and I'm disappointed for the most part.
4. Software....I don't know what it is, but Sense 6 feels cold and empty to me. Coming from the Nexus 5, I know this might sound like a bizarre statement, but something feels off and I can't quite pinpoint it. It feels, dare I say, boring. Yes it is fast and smooth, I will give it that. But that's about where it ends for me.
I also can't wrap my head around HTC still not addressing their messaging app oddity. On the M7, when you got a new text message and opened the app, the new message wouldn't immediately appear and it would refresh quickly and then it would show up. I don't know about anyone else, but that is super duper annoying to me. And it's sadly still present on the M8.
Some might say, "use Hangouts or a 3rd party app". And I would say "nope". I hate how Hangouts handles SMS and MMS and I don't like to use 3rd party apps for text messaging. Just personal preference.
5. The physical aspect of the phone itself....it's just too tall. I understand they had to cram amps, a bigger battery, etc into the phone. But almost as tall as the Note 3? Come on. The phone feels good in the hand however, but it's just a little cumbersome. And I still hate the top of phone power button placement even thought they moved it from the left side to right.
With all of that being said, I still really, really like this phone believe it or not. The above average sound from the speakers, good battery life, good reception (compared to my Nexus 5), very nice quality screen, and fluid performance all add up for me.
So now I'm in the dilemma of deciding if the cons outweigh the pros enough to return the phone. Are my gripes unreasonable? Am I alone here? Any advice or thoughts?
Thanks!

You are not alone...I have owned pretty much every Android flagship as well.
At least some if not most will have the same gripes.
I have a One on the way soon but I am not as particular (at least I think so).
1. I never had screen fitment issues. I owned about 4 M7's (don't ask lol)
2. Notification light...ya this one bugs me. You pointed out yourself and I'll leave it at that.
3. I give up on the camera discussion. I'll refrain on chiming in on this because this can go on for days. In the end, I'm ok with it. If I want good shots, I have a regular camera.
4. I love Sense..simple, clean, and fast. I don't need all the bells and whistles. If I do, I pull out my Note 3 which is used for work mainly.
The One (pun intended) thing that keeps me coming back is the M7/M8 just does what it does best...be a smartphone. I think the biggest complaint is the camera. I think the M8's strong points are more than enough to make up for the lackluster camera which isn't the best but it's adequate.
For you WizeGuyDezignz, the questions is are you willing to return/sell/exhange the M8 for all the things you point out?

WizeGuyDezignz said:
4. Software....I don't know what it is, but Sense 6 feels cold and empty to me. Coming from the Nexus 5, I know this might sound like a bizarre statement, but something feels off and I can't quite pinpoint it. It feels, dare I say, boring. Yes it is fast and smooth, I will give it that. But that's about where it ends for me.
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YES
I was just recollecting today about how much I disliked my M7 (and how happy I was to trade it for an S4), and I couldn't remember why.
This is the #1 reason why (with bad battery life of course)! There is so little color and so little contrast that the whole UI is BORING! TouchWiz on the S4 was colorful and inviting. Although it was more bloated, the experience was more pleasant somehow.
I also have to agree with all of your other gripes. The build "quality" seemed quite lacking (and mine was pretty good compared to some of the "Ones" that looked like trash out of the box). Apple does it right with the metal. HTC, not so much. I'm canceling my M8 Dev order and either going for a GPE or an S5. I'd never hated a phone as much as I had the M7 (just /using/ it made me unhappy), and I really don't want to go through the same thing with the M8 (Sense hasn't changed much and I'm sure it will go down the same). If I were you, I'd return it and go for an S5 or GPE as well.
And no, you aren't alone/crazy, but maybe I am
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I have a M7 right now, will be getting M8 when T-Mobile has it. But I'll chime in as well, since theyre pretty similar.
1. Yea, I agree. I had tons of issues with my first M7, my second M7 is better but still not perfect. Your issues with the M8 sound a lot better than either of my M7s though.
First one: Badly mis-aligned top and bottom speaker grilles. Recessed power button (had to use my nail to really push it). Screen wasnt flush with the bottom grille.
Second one (current one): Top and bottom grilles are better, but still slightly misaligned. Power button is normal. Screen is slightly sunken in on the lower left corner, but I'm not sure if this developed over time.
2. Yep.. I miss the notification lights from my old phones. They all did this better than the HTC One, except for the HTC G2... which had an equally useless tiny LED behind the speaker grille... hmmmmmmm
3. I'm one of the few that actually likes the camera. I have no need for so many megapixels. My Canon 5D Classic has 12.8MP and my Panasonic GM1 has 16MP. Even with these cameras I dont like to zoom in 100%, even with my sharpest lenses in the best lighting I rarely want to zoom in that far. Theres no need for a phone to have that much... I'd say 8MP at most, but I'm fine with the 4MP right now.
4. I dont have an issue with Sense. But maybe you feel its "cold" because its completely black and white? I believe Sense 6 allows you to change the colors a bit, so try that.
5. Yeaa.. its a pretty big phone. I'm not sure how I'll adjust to the M8 after having my M7. I would rather lose the speakers since I don't use em anyway but meh. Maybe next year.

SolarTrans said:
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I was just recollecting today about how much I disliked my M7 (and how happy I was to trade it for an S4), and I couldn't remember why.
This is the #1 reason why (with bad battery life of course)! There is so little color and so little contrast that the whole UI is BORING! TouchWiz on the S4 was colorful and inviting. Although it was more bloated, the experience was more pleasant somehow.
I also have to agree with all of your other gripes. The build "quality" seemed quite lacking (and mine was pretty good compared to some of the "Ones" that looked like trash out of the box). Apple does it right with the metal. HTC, not so much. I'm canceling my M8 Dev order and either going for a GPE or an S5. I'd never hated a phone as much as I had the M7 (just /using/ it made me unhappy), and I really don't want to go through the same thing with the M8 (Sense hasn't changed much and I'm sure it will go down the same). If I were you, I'd return it and go for an S5 or GPE as well.
And no, you aren't alone/crazy, but maybe I am
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Yeah, the reason why I posted this was to type all of my thoughts out to make me think more logically. On the surface, I want to keep the M8 for the style/design, speakers, etc. But I can't let that be the only reason. I need to look beyond those things and value the functionality of the software and the user experience.
This is why I am actually going to consider the S5. I already pre-ordered it for my gf since she wants to stick with Samsung. So I am going to give hers a test drive and make up my mind at that time.
Thanks for your input!

They aren't completely black and white (one is though), but all four themes lack contrast. There's no "custom" theme option from what I've seen (ability to customize the four main colors), and the whole thing looks too bland to me because of it. To each their own, but Sense just doesn't cut it for me. Although I've installed ROMs numerous times, I always find myself back at stock for one reason or another. Hence, I'm against putting a custom ROM on the M8 to fix the colors.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, the reason why I posted this was to type all of my thoughts out to make me think more logically. On the surface, I want to keep the M8 for the style/design, speakers, etc. But I can't let that be the only reason. I need to look beyond those things and value the functionality of the software and the user experience.
This is why I am actually going to consider the S5. I already pre-ordered it for my gf since she wants to stick with Samsung. So I am going to give hers a test drive and make up my mind at that time.
Thanks for your input!
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Honestly, I think it would be better to just install a custom launcher or wait for custom roms (if you dont mind unlocking/rooting your phone).
Samsung's Touchwiz is the worst thing I have ever used. I've never owned a Samsung phone but I've helped plenty of friends with their S3s, S4s, etc. I also cant stand the plastic build. And the S5 looks like a bad ripoff of the original Nexus 7.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, the reason why I posted this was to type all of my thoughts out to make me think more logically. On the surface, I want to keep the M8 for the style/design, speakers, etc. But I can't let that be the only reason. I need to look beyond those things and value the functionality of the software and the user experience.
This is why I am actually going to consider the S5. I already pre-ordered it for my gf since she wants to stick with Samsung. So I am going to give hers a test drive and make up my mind at that time.
Thanks for your input!
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Hey of course! I agree with typing stuff out. Sometimes it really helps
I've been in the exact same situation as you, wanting to get the M8 because of the metal/hype/great reviews, but if you don't like the UI you don't like the UI. I'm very glad I could help, and don't forget you helped me also! It was your post that made me realize why I disliked the M7 so much
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Nippero said:
Honestly, I think it would be better to just install a custom launcher or wait for custom roms (if you dont mind unlocking/rooting your phone).
Samsung's Touchwiz is the worst thing I have ever used. I've never owned a Samsung phone but I've helped plenty of friends with their S3s, S4s, etc. I also cant stand the plastic build. And the S5 looks like a bad ripoff of the original Nexus 7.
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I considered the Google Launcher, but all of the stock apps have the theme/color issue too. Probably the biggest reason I've stayed away from ROMs (except for when I've tried them of course ) is that they're never 100% perfect, and rarely as stable as stock.
The GPE caught my eye, but I'd just assume get a Nexus 5... Some metal, speakers, SD slot, and a bit more battery life are in no way worth a $300 premium IMO (and more weight+slower updates). Does the GPE even support the Dot View?
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... You all know there has been TONS of themes for Sense made here on xda right? Can make it look however you like.. sure there's no built in option for it in the ui itself, but there are flashable zips aplenty here. That should be a non-issue. And if you like the nexus(aka stock/aosp), the same launchers work for this phone and the m7. Can even convert the m7 to GPE, and I'm sure the m8 will be the same once we get soff..
As for build quality, you need to at least exchange the phones, I've had 3 m7's and now the m8 and all are absolutely perfect. No raised speaker grills or anything of the sort. Had to just be a bad luck at the time(s) or something :/
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HolyAngel said:
... You all know there has been TONS of themes for Sense made here on xda right? Can make it look however you like.. sure there's no built in option for it in the ui itself, but there are flashable zips aplenty here. That should be a non-issue. And if you like the nexus(aka stock/aosp), the same launchers work for this phone and the m7. Can even convert the m7 to GPE, and I'm sure the m8 will be the same once we get soff..
As for build quality, you need to at least exchange the phones, I've had 3 m7's and now the m8 and all are absolutely perfect. No raised speaker grills or anything of the sort. Had to just be a bad luck at the time(s) or something :/
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For Sense 6 though?

Nippero said:
For Sense 6 though?
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+1
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For Sense 6 though?
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I know my team already has some made and working on more, and I know there are a couple other teams/people making themes for sense 6 too but don't have any links handy. It's taking a little longer as there were massive changes compared to 5.5 but yeah there are themes out for sense6 and there will be a bunch more soon.
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And I'll be honest:
Even if the colors were nice and had good contrast, it still wouldn't work for me. The whole thing: menus, blinkfeed, settings, they're all too /flat/. This may seem weird, but the new TouchWiz has some "texture" to the menus and such.
Also, as an iOS user, I was actually insanely surprised about how similar Samsung's settings and quick toggles are to iOS 7's... But hey. I like it
Here's what I mean:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Some of those icons, shapes, and colors all look quite similar to me.
Not to mention Samsung reverse-engineered iCloud backups so if you switch you can get all your iMessages, texts, call logs, calendar appointments, app data, and other stuff on your S5 XD
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HolyAngel said:
I know my team already has some made and working on more, and I know there are a couple other teams/people making themes for sense 6 too but don't have any links handy. It's taking a little longer as there were massive changes compared to 5.5 but yeah there are themes out for sense6 and there will be a bunch more soon.
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Sounds good, I'm looking forward to trying some of them when theyre out then. Assuming I can unlock the T-Mobile M8 variant that I'll have... hope I can lol.
SolarTrans said:
And I'll be honest:
Even if the colors were nice and had good contrast, it still wouldn't work for me. The whole thing: menus, blinkfeed, settings, they're all too /flat/. This may seem weird, but the new TouchWiz has some "texture" to the menus and such.
Also, as an iOS user, I was actually insanely surprised about how similar Samsung's settings and quick toggles are to iOS 7's... But hey. I like it
Here's what I mean:
Some of those icons, shapes, and colors all look quite similar to me.
Not to mention Samsung reverse-engineered iCloud backups so if you switch you can get all your iMessages, texts, call logs, calendar appointments, app data, and other stuff on your S5 XD
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That does look kindaa similar. But I'm sure there are plenty of valid arguments on both sides... Didnt Windows Phone do the whole flat look in general first?
Meh. I stopped supporting Samsung a while ago for my own reasons, so I have no idea who did what first anymore.

Yeah I don't care who did it first, but I just wanted to emphasize how hard Sammy is trying to get iOS users to switch. They'll get my money, but it'll be used on my "mess around" line. No Android offering can take me away from iOS 100% yet
Edit: Windows phone was the OG flat--more reminds me of Sense than iOS though (very little color, mostly 2-3 tone). iOS is colorful and flatter than it was, but not Sense 6 or WP8 flat.
I had a Lumia 1520 for a while, and hated it for the same reason I did the M7 (OS colors).
On WP, there was nothing you could do to change it
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Guys and gals, let me start off by saying that I am an absolute phone whore. Last year alone, I owned almost every single flagship at one point or another. I've rooted all my phones, have flashed 100's of roms, etc. You can check my posting history, blah, blah. I'm not trying to brag or anything, I just want people to know that I'm not some Android noob.
Anyhow, I am most recently coming from a Nexus 5 and a Note 3 before that. Last year, I owned the HTC One M7 twice. Each time for about a week. The first time is when my gf and I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile. When we didn't get good reception at work, we switched to AT&T and I once again got the M7. We are still on AT&T, but I dumped my M7 after a week on AT&T for the Note 3. Anyhow, here were my issues with the M7 that I see again with the M8:
1. After all the constant "excellent build quality" praise that the M7 and now M8 constantly get, I really just don't see it. Based on materials alone, yes, the M7 and M8 are excellent in materials. In actual build quality, they are both quite poor in my opinion. Both of my M7's from last year had screen fitment issues where they weren't flush with the top and bottom speaker grills. It annoyed the heck out of my OCD self and was one of the few reasons why I returned them both.
My M8 has a very similar issue. On the right side of the phone, the top and bottom speaker grills are raised above the glass. So my finger snags when I'm swiping up or down on the screen. Super annoying and I'm going to exchange it for sure, if I even keep this phone in general.
Thanks!
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I also have this, does anyone else? Is this a fault and should I be sending this back? Only have a day or two left cooling period so need to decide asap.
thanks

i will let go of all the nega on the main OP
however regarding build, we all been there before, a unit or two or even a dozen will never reflect something that is in mass production
products coming from China will forever have a possibility of imperfections, yes even iphones, for that if you are really picky just replace your unit
millions of happy M7 owners will disagree with you there, yes there was a bad batch at launch but it quickly moved on
so why go through this everytime as if its something new, just hand pick or replace your unit and move on

SolarTrans said:
And I'll be honest:
Even if the colors were nice and had good contrast, it still wouldn't work for me. The whole thing: menus, blinkfeed, settings, they're all too /flat/. This may seem weird, but the new TouchWiz has some "texture" to the menus and such.
Also, as an iOS user, I was actually insanely surprised about how similar Samsung's settings and quick toggles are to iOS 7's... But hey. I like it
Here's what I mean:
Some of those icons, shapes, and colors all look quite similar to me.
Not to mention Samsung reverse-engineered iCloud backups so if you switch you can get all your iMessages, texts, call logs, calendar appointments, app data, and other stuff on your S5 XD
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The One with Sense 6.0 has a theme chooser builtin, it makes the theme making VERY easy for XDA folks.
Just pay a visit to the themes section and see how in just 5 days how much themes are made and consider 1000x more in a couple of weeks, INCLUDING colors and icons of your beloved ios 7

Well guys, I returned my M8 today and pre-ordered the S5. While in the AT&T store as I was waiting for them to process my return, I played with the S5 that they had in the store. I'm sold and it's a better fit for me. The M8 got really boring very fast. I guess I'm not a Sense fan.
Oh well, I understand the people who are fans. Good luck all!! :good:

I have had my first hands on the M8 today. Speed aside, I swear I wasn't impressed. The M7 is a legendary phone like the Galaxy S2 was. This M8 is the same as the M7 but taller and the metal is brushed. Now that I have had my hands on the M8 I can honestly say that I prefer the M7 (looks).
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Confused - S4 Sucked will HTC One be any better - Back to iPhone

So,
6 months ago I decided to try out the iPhone. It was an experiment that ended up with me thinking apple is not that bad. But i love tinkering and the tinkering itch was back. So I did a straight trade with someone, my iPhone 5 16 for an S4. Mine you before the iPhone I rocked a rooted GNex running AOSP, before that a rooted Droid X AOSP, a rooted DInc running AOSP and my first phone a Moto Droid original NOT rooted.
So here I am with this S4 and before I bought it I checked to see if there were any ROM's see the activity and it was booming. So F it, got it only to find out it had the latest bootloader that was unlockable. Touchwiz sucks, I tried it for a few days until I said F It and sold it. Now I'm on the boat another iPhone 5 or try the HTC One.
I don't see much development activity but with the people that have been here a while. Can you give insight, it just got cracked and it I get it, it will be S-Off and Unlocked before you can sneeze.
A little thought and guidance would be helpful.
Thanks

I think u already know u want the Crapple.
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jorv976 said:
I think u already know u want the Crapple.
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Not Really Jorv... I love me a stock android experience and if I can eventually get that with the HTC. I would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think Sense to have cut back. Rock the HTC One with say Nova and get rid of the bulk of the terrible things Sense offers.
One thing I could not stand with the S4, is that they cluttered the notification panel and status bar with crap. Way too much I did NOT or want.

rmd0311 said:
Not Really Jorv... I love me a stock android experience and if I can eventually get that with the HTC. I would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think Sense to have cut back. Rock the HTC One with say Nova and get rid of the bulk of the terrible things Sense offers.
One thing I could not stand with the S4, is that they cluttered the notification panel and status bar with crap. Way too much I did NOT or want.
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There are several Google Play Edition and CM-based ROMs for the HTC One in the development section.
I was kind of in the same boat as you. I had an iPhone 5 but I missed the customization of Android, plus I REALLY wanted a bigger screen. Got a Galaxy S4 but really didn't like it - too locked down and TouchWiz sucks.
So, sold the S4 and got the HTC One. First thing I did was mail it off for S-OFF (before the software S-OFF was available). Unlocked bootloader and debloated this thing. Right now, I'm running completely stock ROM with bloat removed because I actually like Sense. It's FANTASTIC in all regards.

There's already several solid options for the stock android experience in the original development thread + slimrom which isn't listed. Have you read anything on this forum yet? + its already s-off and unlocked.

With a software exploit only made availble a couple of weeks ago, it will take time for a large amount of ROMS to be released. There are already 5-7 and more coming every day. If you like tinkering, not even sure why you would consider an iPhone. Even my 70 year old mother got bored of the iPhone and made the switch to Android.
If you want a solid phone that works and you don't mind drinking the Apple Kool Aid and remaining totally stock, get the iPhone 5. If you want anything more from your device, get an HTC One. Pretty simple really.

Came from the Gnex just like you and got antsy at upgrade time and pulled the trigger early and got the S4, too. While it was a decent phone, the bloat was unbelievable and I found that I'm no fan of touchwiz. And I agree that the notification area is bombed out pretty heavily.
I returned my S4 after a week because the One was available on Verizon and never looked back. Completely happy on stock with a couple mods from the themes and apps section and Xposed framework. I'm curious to try Viper when it's available for us but truly am content with stock until then.
I'm not going to dump on the iPhone. It's a solidly built, locked down device. My wife has one and is happy with it but I like to tinker and have all the options that Android brings to the table. There's quite a few solid AOSP and Sense based roms right now, like others have said before me, and it looks like more are coming.

rmd0311 said:
Not Really Jorv... I love me a stock android experience and if I can eventually get that with the HTC. I would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think Sense to have cut back. Rock the HTC One with say Nova and get rid of the bulk of the terrible things Sense offers.
One thing I could not stand with the S4, is that they cluttered the notification panel and status bar with crap. Way too much I did NOT or want.
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I think you'll be surprised with Sense. It's actually pretty nice, especially for photos, etc. Like mentioned before, though, if you like tinkering you're just wasting your time getting an iPhone.

Mike02z said:
With a software exploit only made availble a couple of weeks ago, it will take time for a large amount of ROMS to be released. There are already 5-7 and more coming every day. If you like tinkering, not even sure why you would consider an iPhone. Even my 70 year old mother got bored of the iPhone and made the switch to Android.
If you want a solid phone that works and you don't mind drinking the Apple Kool Aid and remaining totally stock, get the iPhone 5. If you want anything more from your device, get an HTC One. Pretty simple really.
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Yes. And you don't want to wait too long to get it either. The thing with software exploits is that they can be easily patched, which is guaranteed to happen to the current rumrunner s-off exploit with the 4.3 roll out. This is perhaps the only occasion where Verizon's slow upgrade actually works in the consumer's favor.

rmd0311 said:
So,
6 months ago I decided to try out the iPhone. It was an experiment that ended up with me thinking apple is not that bad. But i love tinkering and the tinkering itch was back. So I did a straight trade with someone, my iPhone 5 16 for an S4. Mine you before the iPhone I rocked a rooted GNex running AOSP, before that a rooted Droid X AOSP, a rooted DInc running AOSP and my first phone a Moto Droid original NOT rooted.
So here I am with this S4 and before I bought it I checked to see if there were any ROM's see the activity and it was booming. So F it, got it only to find out it had the latest bootloader that was unlockable. Touchwiz sucks, I tried it for a few days until I said F It and sold it. Now I'm on the boat another iPhone 5 or try the HTC One.
I don't see much development activity but with the people that have been here a while. Can you give insight, it just got cracked and it I get it, it will be S-Off and Unlocked before you can sneeze.
A little thought and guidance would be helpful.
Thanks
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Like you, I tried the iPhone for a little while and while its a great device, I can see why a lot of people like it, I just got bored with the UI and frustrated by the lack of capabilities after about 6 months and bought the S3. The S3 was a fantastic phone, TW wasn't so heavy that it effected phone performance severely and overall I was very happy. We switched from Sprint to Verizon and when we did, I bought the S4. I figured I liked the S3 so much that the S4 could only be better. Boy was I wrong, TW has grown to be far too large, device performance was disappointing and the UI is starting to look dated. There were ROMs available to alleviate some of my concerns but overall I was never satisfied with it.
So, I decided to try out the One after I saw S-OFF was achieved. To be honest, I've rooted, jailbroke, unlocked, etc all of my phones since the HTC mogul in 2007. This is the first time I've stayed on a basically stock ROM when other options were available. Sense 5 is so nice, it's very smooth, light weight, and unlike TW doesn't seem like its trying to cover up Android. The HTC One and the S4 use the same processor but the fluidity and general performance on the One is noticeably better, even with the CPU underclocked. The hardware is my favorite of any phone available, its beautiful, sleek and feels really nice in my hand. I'd say at least go play with one before deciding. After I spent 10 minutes with one at Best Buy I was sure I'd be happy with the device.
ROM activity is increasing but honestly, with xposed framework and the available modules, a stock debloated ROM really goes a long way.

I own The HTC One, SG3, and SG4.
SG3 kicked ASS!
HTC One blow them all out the water.
Sg4 is blah and I may sell for moto x.

Thanks for all the responses it has been extremely helpful. I just checked it out from a co-worker who has it. It really is a clean device. The bloat is definitely not there like it is from the SG4. Does anyone here take a lot of pictures with the phone. How's that 4MP camera that lets in more light...

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Thanks for all the responses it has been extremely helpful. I just checked it out from a co-worker who has it. It really is a clean device. The bloat is definitely not there like it is from the SG4. Does anyone here take a lot of pictures with the phone. How's that 4MP camera that lets in more light...
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I take a lot of pictures of my kids, and with it getting cooler outside many of those pics will be indoors with less than ideal lighting. In these situations I've been very pleased with the pictures I get. Even blowing up those pictures for use as by desktop background the pics still look very good.
I bought the One before selling the S4. My two concerns about the One compared to the S4 were the camera and battery. I've been satisfied with both.

andybones said:
I own The HTC One, SG3, and SG4.
SG3 kicked ASS!
HTC One blow them all out the water.
Sg4 is blah and I may sell for moto x.
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Of the competing phones I have tested extensively the LG G2 and the Droid Maxx. The G2 was a braindead phone. Whenever I pick it up I had an urge to throw it away, so that was out of the equation.
The Droid Maxx really had me torn. It had close to vanilla Android, superb build quality (this is subjective, but to me the Maxx felt much better in the hand than the One), and, most important of all, the amazing battery life. I just loved that phone, it had everything I wanted in a phone. I was pretty sure the Maxx was going to be my main phone for at least the next year.
Then the HTC One killed it in one arena: signal reception. Now we live in a fringe area of Verizon 4G coverage. Our old phone, the Gnex, absolutely struggles to hold on to the 4G signal. It would drop in and out of 4G many times in an hour, in the best reception areas we can find in the house. The 4G->3G handoff is hard, meaning all data connections gets dropped, so in reality we have to turn off LTE while at home. Both the G2 and the Droid Maxx have about the same signal quality, which is significantly better than the Gnex, but they would still drop 4G from time to time. The One however, simply blows all its competition out of the water in this aspect. It would display 4 bars(!) of LTE in most areas of the house, while the G2 and Maxx would have 2 bars. At first I thought it must be a cheap trick by HTC. The signal strength in the phone status show identical numbers across the phones, and the One just show more bars for the same signal strength. But after more than a week of extensive use on my wife's One, this phone has _never_ dropped the 4G signal in our house in that entire time! Even in the bathroom where we barely get our own wifi signal, the One would somehow miraculously hang on to one bar of LTE, and still maintain a reasonable download speed!
What magic HTC did on this phone I have no idea, but I'm sold, exchanged my Maxx for the One, and now I'm a happy camper

Yeah., over the years I have ditch my point and shoot and have been using my phones for pics and the DSLR for shots. The GNex took terrible the pics, the iPhone was a descent point and shooter. That is what I need a descent point and shoot camera.

I have an iPhone 5 for work and the One. My god, I can never look at the iPhone after using my phone for a few minutes. I know it was this huge marketing this against Apple but the screen size of the iPhone really is a HUGE negative for me.

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Yeah., over the years I have ditch my point and shoot and have been using my phones for pics and the DSLR for shots. The GNex took terrible the pics, the iPhone was a descent point and shooter. That is what I need a descent point and shoot camera.
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Yeah, I used to be an SLR guy until I got my Sony RX-100 last year. I used to use it all the time, but the One is good enough that I don't use the RX-100 except for special occasions when I know I'll be taking dozens of pictures.

Coming from a camera on a phone, I'd say the One has one of the best to date. Might not be as epic as the unit on the Lumia 1020, but it definitely holds its own. I snap tons of photos, the the camera in this phone in my opinion trashes the camera in my sister in laws iPhone 5. Either way, the One is an excellent device and coming from my kickin SGS2, in more than happy. The s4 just doesn't compete in the features even though the cpu in the One is running at a slightly lower frequency. I won't even look at the s4 now. This phone stole my damn heart and VanirAOSP put the icing on my cake.
Sent from the One in Blue on xparent red tapatalk!

I recently went from S3 to 5s and now to the One. I gave the 5s 2-3 solid weeks of trial before I started looking for something else. The only way possible I can explain how anyone would want an iPhone is that out of the box they want a finished product that you install music and apps on. It just seemed so limited on what you could do with it. Something as simple as copying ringtones over was a huge fiasco. Picking the keyboard you want. Etc etc.
My only complaints are the fixed buttons. Maybe I'm just so use to the s3, but the back arrow is opposite on this phone and doesn't seem as convenient with the thumb. I wish the htc logo acted as the home button as well and the home button was swapped on the other side as a menu button. In a few months, hopefully I feel differently. But, I do appreciate the galaxy nexus navigation buttons being able to be changed however you want. wish they would've done the same here.

Feeling a bit cheated M8 vs M7

Just got my HTC one M8 as a 12 month early upgrade contract, works out much cheaper than the M9, will wait 12 months and get the M9 when the price drops a bit, or thats what I was thinking anyway, until I realised, im actually feeling a bit cheated by HTC with the M8 over the M7.
The reasons are pretty much in the picture below, they moved the capative buttons from the bottom of the phone on the HTC one M7 to the bottom of the actual screen ???? so although it comes with a bigger screen, the usable area is the same size screen as the M7, is there anyway to auto hide this buttons when not in use ? or get rid of them all together, of course then that leaves the problem of how I go back or home etc without these buttons.

None of this should be any surprise, its easy to research the phone or try it out at the store, before you purchase.
Hardware keys (on the front of the phone) have for the most part disappeared on Android phones (with Samsung being one of the few major manufacturers still holding on to them). I can't say I'm thrilled about it, either. But Google is the main driver here. And the style trend is toward phones with thinner and thinner bezels, no hardware buttons on the front, etc.
The nav bar already hides itself in most apps where the increased screen height is most useful. If you want more than that, hiding the softkeys/nav bar is possible with 3rd party apps or custom ROMs.

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None of this should be any surprise, its easy to research the phone or try it out at the store, before you purchase.
Hardware keys (on the front of the phone) have for the most part disappeared on Android phones (with Samsung being one of the few major manufacturers still holding on to them). I can't say I'm thrilled about it, either. But Google is the main driver here. And the style trend is toward phones with thinner and thinner bezels, no hardware buttons on the front, etc.
The nav bar already hides itself in most apps where the increased screen height is most useful. If you want more than that, hiding the softkeys/nav bar is possible with 3rd party apps or custom ROMs.
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Thanks, S-off'd it with sunshine already, Got TWRP on there, flashed Insert Coin to it too, unfortunatley testing in store isnt an option for me, my mobile provider is mail order only and the only other downside is I work 6 days a week, so finding the time to get to a store is pretty tough too.

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unfortunatley testing in store isnt an option for me, my mobile provider is mail order only and the only other downside is I work 6 days a week, so finding the time to get to a store is pretty tough too.
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Sure, I understand that everyone has different life circumstances. Some folks aren't even located anywhere near a store (as in hours to drive). But its a lot of money to drop, and making the time to do so (if possible) can be very helpful in avoiding buyers remorse.
One case in point, a year ago I was actually on the fence between the M8 and the Galaxy S5. On paper, they have very competitive specs. And despite being a long time HTC fan, I was somewhat leaning toward the GS5 due to the popularity of the line (and therefore broader community, more available accessories, etc.). But once I got the 2 phones in hand, it was instantly clear to me that the GS5 would have been the wrong choice. The GS5 was simply not even in the same league as far as exterior build quality; and just felt like cheap plastic junk compared to the M8. I was really glad I compared them in person before buying.

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Sure, I understand that everyone has different life circumstances. Some folks aren't even located anywhere near a store (as in hours to drive). But its a lot of money to drop, and making the time to do so (if possible) can be very helpful in avoiding buyers remorse.
One case in point, a year ago I was actually on the fence between the M8 and the Galaxy S5. On paper, they have very competitive specs. And despite being a long time HTC fan, I was somewhat leaning toward the GS5 due to the popularity of the line (and therefore broader community, more available accessories, etc.). But once I got the 2 phones in hand, it was instantly clear to me that the GS5 would have been the wrong choice. The GS5 was simply not even in the same league as far as exterior build quality; and just felt like cheap plastic junk compared to the M8. I was really glad I compared them in person before buying.
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LOL thanks, me and a mate funny enough are always battling it out between the SG's and HTC's, we're on the same network and travel the country, but everytime we get cut off, its always the HTC's fault in his eyes, obviously the other way around for me. Im a HTC fan boy, he's a Samsung fan boy, I have to agree with you regarding the plastic though, but the new SG6 has taken the same route and mould as HTC, one piece metal body, however, HTC win it simply due to thier Sense overlay, I love it and have always loved it.
On a plus note, ive found the option in InsertCoin's rom to hide it when not needed and swipe up when required to bring it back, so thanks very much for your help. :good:

Seanie280672 said:
, but the new SG6 has taken the same route and mould as HTC, one piece metal body, however, HTC win it simply due to thier Sense overlay, I love it and have always loved it.
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GS6 is actually a glass back, so its a little more akin to the iPhone 5/5S (then again, that's just based on what I've seen online, I haven't held it in hand yet, lol). But yeah, Samsung finally came around to the fact that folks actually like their $700 smartphones to not feel like a cheap plastic kids toy. And yes, Touchwiz is a joke compared to Sense. The TW icons and color palette seem more appropriate for (again) a kids plaything than an expensive grown-ups tool.

You should see the damage HTC done with M9.
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You should see the damage HTC done with M9.
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Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk LMAO
Tell me more ............ I didnt go for the M9 due to the current overheating issues, as well as the ridiculas price, I could upgrade both of my GFX cards and RAM in my PC for the price of that phone. and its already top of the range, my PC I mean.

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Its well summed up in the conclusion of Anandtech's preliminary review of the M9 (I respect them for having more technical and objective reviews than most other websites):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9102/the-htc-one-m9-review-part-1/7
Although they are holding off on final conclusions (due to a last minute software update) they go as far as to say the M8 may actually be a better phone than the M9!

[Q] Do you recommend me buy M8 over G3 and S5?

Hi guys, want to buy new phone and looking to get the best for my money, so Its up to M8, G3 and S5. I like M8 and G3 more than S5 but I put it here because they were flagships and it has the best camera and good battery. So would you buy M8 again if you need to buy a phone now, rather than this two, and do you regret buying it? I need to pay about 50e more for M8 from G3, or 30e more from S5, is it worth it? Its important foe me to get stock android M on it, I guess M8 will get it? Thank you.

That's a tricky question to ask on the M8 forum. Obviously, pretty much everyone here owns the M8, and bought it for a reason. You probably won't get many responses in this device forum to the effect of the G3 or S5 being better!
I compared the M8 and S5 side by side before buying (way back in May 2014) and if you haven't done so already, I highly recommend it. The M8 is simply a beautiful piece of industrial engineering, which looks and feels high end in every way. In comparison (of even on its own, for that matter), the S5 is a cheap feeling, plasticky piece of junk. Any notion that the M8 and S5 were at all comparable on paper; quickly dissolved once I compared both devices in person. It simply became no contest.
And while on paper, the chipset specs should be identical, the TouchWiz interface makes the S5 a laggy mess compared to the M8 (and most of Samsung's devices for last year's "generation" suffer for this). You can just Google the S5 lag, and find all sorts of complaints. This was when I compared back on KitKat, so I'm not sure if the S5's lag is any better on Lollipop. But it was outright noticeable and embarrassing when I compared the 2 side by side.
I never checked out the G3 in person. I have never been a fan of the industrial design of the LG phones (just seemed cheap to me), and the reviews led me to conclude the G3 was not worth my consideration. "Better" than past Lg devices, but still just plastic, and to me no comparison to the M8. I've seen a few folks on here that have switched from the G3 to the M8, and would never go back.
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I like M8 and G3 more than S5 but I put it here because they were flagships and it has the best camera and good battery.
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I'm not sure where you are getting the notion that S5 has the "best" camera. That is somewhat subjective. Most folks just look at the paper specs (MP mostly) and say the M8 has a bad camera, without understanding how cameras work.
Anandtech has some really objective and technical phone reviews. Their conclusion was that the S5 has better resolution (obviously) and detail in daylight, but clearly inferior to the M8 in low light (to the point that the S5 pics look just miserable). So its impossible to say the S5 camera is "best" all around, and somewhat depends on how/when you use your camera phone, also.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/2
As for Android M, it looks like HTC "confirmed" it via Twitter for the M8 (as reliable as that may be).
Samsung has yet to confirm M for the S5, as far as I can see from Googling. Nothing seems confirmed for the G3, either.

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That's a tricky question to ask on the M8 forum. Obviously, pretty much everyone here owns the M8, and bought it for a reason. You probably won't get many responses in this device forum to the effect of the G3 or S5 being better!
I compared the M8 and S5 side by side before buying (way back in May 2014) and if you haven't done so already, I highly recommend it. The M8 is simply a beautiful piece of industrial engineering, which looks and feels high end in every way. In comparison (of even on its own, for that matter), the S5 is a cheap feeling, plasticky piece of junk. Any notion that the M8 and S5 were at all comparable on paper; quickly dissolved once I compared both devices in person. It simply became no contest.
And while on paper, the chipset specs should be identical, the TouchWiz interface makes the S5 a laggy mess compared to the M8 (and most of Samsung's devices for last year's "generation" suffer for this). You can just Google the S5 lag, and find all sorts of complaints. This was when I compared back on KitKat, so I'm not sure if the S5's lag is any better on Lollipop. But it was outright noticeable and embarrassing when I compared the 2 side by side.
I never checked out the G3 in person. I have never been a fan of the industrial design of the LG phones (just seemed cheap to me), and the reviews led me to conclude the G3 was not worth my consideration. "Better" than past Lg devices, but still just plastic, and to me no comparison to the M8. I've seen a few folks on here that have switched from the G3 to the M8, and would never go back.
I'm not sure where you are getting the notion that S5 has the "best" camera. That is somewhat subjective. Most folks just look at the paper specs (MP mostly) and say the M8 has a bad camera, without understanding how cameras work.
Anandtech has some really objective and technical phone reviews. Their conclusion was that the S5 has better resolution (obviously) and detail in daylight, but clearly inferior to the M8 in low light (to the point that the S5 pics look just miserable). So its impossible to say the S5 camera is "best" all around, and somewhat depends on how/when you use your camera phone, also.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/2
As for Android M, it looks like HTC "confirmed" it via Twitter for the M8 (as reliable as that may be).
Samsung has yet to confirm M for the S5, as far as I can see from Googling. Nothing seems confirmed for the G3, either.
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I know that, just wanted to hear from the people who own it, use it for some time, thats the real review. I guess no one regret buying it.
Well I like G3 because its affordable (330e) and I get 32GB with 3gb of RAM but as I have seen M8 is still faster. That big screen looks nice in that compact body(same size as M8) like LG UI which is highly customizable. But M8 have that speakers which are something best on Android and I guess little better battery. Metal unibody doesnt mean a lot if I put it in a tpu case, but looks sexy. Is it hard to use power button on the top?
As the best, I was thinking best out of these 3, but M8 dont have that bad camera, watched some reviews and samples, but still in daylight S5 makes better pictures. Still S5 is no more interesting for me, its too ugly and everyone has it, G3 wins it so now its G3 vs M8.
Thanks for response.

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You know what??? When someone takes the time to type several paragraphs to answer your (rather vague) question (plus inaccurate statement of "best camera") and you type a vague response of "I know that", it sounds somewhat insulting.
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That big screen looks nice in that compact body(same size as M8) like LG UI which is highly customizable. But M8 have that speakers which are something best on Android and I guess little better battery. Metal unibody doesnt mean a lot if I put it in a tpu case, but looks sexy. Is it hard to use power button on the top?
As the best, I was thinking best out of these 3, but M8 dont have that bad camera, watched some reviews and samples, but still in daylight S5 makes better pictures. Still S5 is no more interesting for me, its too ugly and everyone has it, G3 wins it so now its G3 vs M8.
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Top power button is fine. I don't actually understand folks that find its an issue. Power button on the back (G3) seems awkward to me, if not outright strange. Maybe its something you get used to, if you own it. But I also think that friends and family members not used to your phone will be puzzled by the power button location.
The screen on the G3 is supposed to be nice. But yes, the stereo front spacing speakers on the M8 are just wonderful. Its something that should have been on smartphones for years. In my opinion, a back speaker is simply horrible design. They are just trying t save space on the front (not that great a reason) while putting the speaker in the worst possible location.
A lot of what you are talking about at this point (screen size, using a TPU case) is personal preference and individual usage patterns. So I mostly think you just need to decide for yourself.
As far as regrets, as I mentioned, I've seen some folks on here that regretted the G3, and moved on to the M8. Maybe if you look in the G3 forum, you can find some folks that did the opposite. But I somewhat doubt it. Personally, I feel the M8 is the best phone of its generation (2014). If I broke or lost mine even now, there is a good chance I would just replace it with another M8.
Not sure if modding is a concern of yours. But this is XDA after all, and the M8 has a great community. A bit more quiet as folks have moved to the M9. But still pretty robust.

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You know what??? When someone takes the time to type several paragraphs to answer your (rather vague) question (plus inaccurate statement of "best camera") and you type a vague response of "I know that", it sounds somewhat insulting.
Top power button is fine. I don't actually understand folks that find its an issue. Power button on the back (G3) seems awkward to me, if not outright strange. Maybe its something you get used to, if you own it. But I also think that friends and family members not used to your phone will be puzzled by the power button location.
The screen on the G3 is supposed to be nice. But yes, the stereo front spacing speakers on the M8 are just wonderful. Its something that should have been on smartphones for years. In my opinion, a back speaker is simply horrible design. They are just trying t save space on the front (not that great a reason) while putting the speaker in the worst possible location.
A lot of what you are talking about at this point (screen size, using a TPU case) is personal preference and individual usage patterns. So I mostly think you just need to decide for yourself.
As far as regrets, as I mentioned, I've seen some folks on here that regretted the G3, and moved on to the M8. Maybe if you look in the G3 forum, you can find some folks that did the opposite. But I somewhat doubt it. Personally, I feel the M8 is the best phone of its generation (2014). If I broke or lost mine even now, there is a good chance I would just replace it with another M8.
Not sure if modding is a concern of yours. But this is XDA after all, and the M8 has a great community. A bit more quiet as folks have moved to the M9. But still pretty robust.
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Sorry, not so good with english, I meant I know about this you said "That's a tricky question to ask on the M8 forum. Obviously, pretty much everyone here owns the M8, and bought it for a reason. You probably won't get many responses in this device forum to the effect of the G3 or S5 being better!"
Still, thank you for your time and help, dont be angry on me, I didnt want to hurt your feelings
It looks like M8 is better buy, will see to get one if I can find it, its little harder here, now is M8s popular.

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Sorry, not so good with english
Still, thank you for your time and help, dont be angry on me, I didnt want to hurt your feelings
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No worries. I'll let it go this time.

Pros and Cons?

Hello members of the Desire Eye forums, I am currently in a debate with myself on getting a new phone.
Currently I have the Nexus 5, I've had the phone for a few years now and absolutely adore it, however it has become quite damaged physically. I had to replace the battery about six or so months ago, along with the glass cracking a few times the actual glass screen has started to lift up from the device itself in the bottom corners.
Checking my account I am able to upgrade to the Desire Eye and it looks like a semi-decent phone, in comparison to my love of Nexus devices, and was hoping that some of you here might be able to list some of the ups and downs of the device.
Should I get this device I do plan on rooting it even if I retain the stock rom. I have a seperate device for all my music/media so no worries there, though it would be nice to hear about those ups/downs as well.
Thanks a bunch in advance, Phaze.

I think only problem i see is camera. But it us beautiful device with sound qualitiy. I am kinda forgot about stock nearly since i bought this device i am using it as rooted. (i think that i dont like camera because of my old lumia 1020 it has really good cam)

Well, in all honesty, I really don't have any cons to tell you. Camera could be the down side although it takes great pics.
It's truly sad that it didn't spark much interest in the general public, because it really is that good. Also, its lack of popularity translates to slow and very little development (we currently have only one active developer and, let me tell you, she is worth gold).
I don't know what are your options, but this phone is a really really great choice. I've had it for over a year and I still like it as much as when I got it and it's still going strong.

[Discussion] HTC 10 User Opinions and Reviews

Devices will be shipping this week and some lucky people have one already. So if you have an HTC 10, please give us your first impressions and thoughts about the device. Tell us about the display, camera, battery life, audio, build quality or whatever else comes to mind. If you've had any problems, we'd also like to know about that too. Unboxing pics are encouraged
Let's avoid lengthy discussions about particular topics here and leave them to their dedicated threads, ie for camera, battery, audio, etc.
Also, discussion about published reviews should go here.
So, who will go first?

I ran out of RAM! All 4GB filled.
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I was just listening to some music, downloading stuff via Chrome. Download a Video via DsFile, downloading GFX bench GL dataset.
And while switching between these apps and reading on XDA I realised that my downloads would be interrupted because the app got sent into cache....
If the onePlus 3 has 6gb RAM I might consider selling my 10.
Edit: might be due to Boost+ SmartBoost feature....
Deactivated it now. Let's see how it goes.

The more the phone utilizes the RAM the better.. I'm glad to see it's literally guzzling it to keep apps in RAM, faster multitasking you know.
HTC probably utilizing zram as well, can anyone confirm that?

How is call quality and loudness?

Alright guys & gals, Verizon is already shipping the 10 and HTC pre-orders for the US are going out tomorrow. I really want to hear from you what you think of it when you get yours

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Alright guys & gals, Verizon is already shipping the 10 and HTC pre-orders for the US are going out tomorrow. I really want to hear from you what you think of it when you get yours
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Got my vz 10 this afternoon. Usual bloat. Phone is heavy, camera lags. I think my 5x is faster and my s7 takes way better pics. Not seeing it worth the money so I am returning it.
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I'm using an unlocked white/silver UK model on Tmobile network at the moment, and it works beautifully. Figured it'd work since prior I used an unlocked Compact Z3 that supported pretty much the same bands. I'm loving this phone. The responsiveness of the screen is probably one of the most underrated features that I love. On prior phones, especially my Z3 compact and sometimes my LG G3, the phones felt like they didn't always want to register my touches, but this is an entirely different story with this phone. In terms of screen brightness, I actually think it's pretty bright. I'm in California with clear whether and lots of sun, and I'm able to see outside with my phone pretty brightly. The auto brightness is kind of finicky though so I tend to turn it off and just max out the setting when I'm outdoors. It seems a little brighter than my LG G3 and maybe slightly less than my Note 3.
Audio is such a pleasure on this device. I got the Hifi headphones with mine, and they're a bit bass heavy, but I'm still enjoying listening to a lot of different music. I've only played a little bit with the front and downward firing speakers. They seem loud. Nothing insane, but it seems a lot more clear than the single downward firing speaker on my Note 3 and G3. It feels a bit louder than the dual front facing speaker system I had on my Z3, but the IP certification on those always made the noise seem kind of muddled compared to the HTC 10.
I updated my phone right away to the latest update, so I haven't experienced any wifi issues.
I only toyed with the camera a little, but it seems impressive from what I've seen. I've played with an S7E a bit, and yeah, it doesn't seem as fast, but to be honest, I'm not sure I care as long as the quality is there, and it seems to be.
No complaints. Just a little pleasure. I'm doing a lot of gaming on it right now and using Boost+ to minimize resolution. The phone stays a lot cooler than my Note 3 and G3 by a pretty long way.
One peeve I do have is that the glass is curved a bit more than I was anticipating so when I received my glass screen protector, I thought to myself,
"Wow, this looks a lot smaller than I thought it would be," but as I applied it, I realized the screen protector was still too big and there's some left surrounding the edges where the phone is. I don't know if there will ever be a screen protector that goes all around, but I also don't like the idea of not having tempered glass on my screen protector.
It's just such a lovely phone. I've gone through a lot of phones over the years, but this one is special.

ufkal said:
I just got my HTC 10. Evidently a bit early. I pre ordered on VZW and paid $14 for noon delivery on the 5th. I was shocked to see it show up here today. If I had been home, I would have gotten it even sooner than I did.
I'm looking forward to everyone's thoughts and impressions. I'm just now getting to unbox it.
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You started a good thing and I'd love to have you continue here. Did you take any pics when you unboxed it???
thegrants82 said:
Got my vz 10 this afternoon. Usual bloat. Phone is heavy, camera lags. I think my 5x is faster and my s7 takes way better pics. Not seeing it worth the money so I am returning it.
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What do you think of the screen?

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RCJ89 said:
How is call quality and loudness?
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Call quality is great, you'll have a bit harder time to match the earpiece to your ear because of the smaller speaker grill, but once there it's excellent

For those that have it how does it feel in the hand for one handed use? One of things that's concerning me a little. Its not the smallest of the 5.2" phones and I wish it was.
Played with one a few weeks back but it was so briefly I don't remember much lmao
Oh and hows the front camera for things like snapchat?

What's the notification light like? Is it RGB?
Usually it' so tiny on a HTC phone.

CafeKampuchia said:
You started a good thing and I'd love to have you continue here. Did you take any pics when you unboxed it???
What do you think of the screen?
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I did take a pic of it in the box with the lid off, but that is pretty generic.
The following are my opinions only:
I've been using the phone for a few hours. I feel the one handed use is better than the LG V10.
The camera is good enough for me. Snappy, little lag. But I'm not a professional, nor do I buy the phone to take professional quality pics.
Phone quality - Great. We never talk about it. Crisp and clear. Good connections. I like it.
Almost no bloat. I mean seriously. Where is it. There are a few things on it that can be removed. Games etc. But its not overpowering like some other flagships I've played with.
I refuse to talk about battery life until I've used the phone for 3 or 4 days and stop touching it like the damn nerd I am.
Overall - At this point I'm lovin it. Especially since I got it early. LOL.

@ufkal, you get 10 bonus points for having XDA on the screen behind the box Don't use them all at once

mnguyen127 said:
I'm using an unlocked white/silver UK model on Tmobile network at the moment, and it works beautifully. Figured it'd work since prior I used an unlocked Compact Z3 that supported pretty much the same bands. I'm loving this phone. The responsiveness of the screen is probably one of the most underrated features that I love. On prior phones, especially my Z3 compact and sometimes my LG G3, the phones felt like they didn't always want to register my touches, but this is an entirely different story with this phone. In terms of screen brightness, I actually think it's pretty bright. I'm in California with clear whether and lots of sun, and I'm able to see outside with my phone pretty brightly. The auto brightness is kind of finicky though so I tend to turn it off and just max out the setting when I'm outdoors. It seems a little brighter than my LG G3 and maybe slightly less than my Note 3.
Audio is such a pleasure on this device. I got the Hifi headphones with mine, and they're a bit bass heavy, but I'm still enjoying listening to a lot of different music. I've only played a little bit with the front and downward firing speakers. They seem loud. Nothing insane, but it seems a lot more clear than the single downward firing speaker on my Note 3 and G3. It feels a bit louder than the dual front facing speaker system I had on my Z3, but the IP certification on those always made the noise seem kind of muddled compared to the HTC 10.
I updated my phone right away to the latest update, so I haven't experienced any wifi issues.
I only toyed with the camera a little, but it seems impressive from what I've seen. I've played with an S7E a bit, and yeah, it doesn't seem as fast, but to be honest, I'm not sure I care as long as the quality is there, and it seems to be.
No complaints. Just a little pleasure. I'm doing a lot of gaming on it right now and using Boost+ to minimize resolution. The phone stays a lot cooler than my Note 3 and G3 by a pretty long way.
One peeve I do have is that the glass is curved a bit more than I was anticipating so when I received my glass screen protector, I thought to myself,
"Wow, this looks a lot smaller than I thought it would be," but as I applied it, I realized the screen protector was still too big and there's some left surrounding the edges where the phone is. I don't know if there will ever be a screen protector that goes all around, but I also don't like the idea of not having tempered glass on my screen protector.
It's just such a lovely phone. I've gone through a lot of phones over the years, but this one is special.
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Any chance you have someone near that has a activated Verizon sim, and can test if it works for the Unlocked 10? Many of us would be very grateful!

For those who have just gotten their 10, have you been able to do a system update? I "Check for new system update" in settings, and the phone just sits there, checking for new software. please wait. . For real I'm at 8 minutes right now, so I'm guessing its not working.
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I think I may have found my first "complaint" with the phone. and its more with the software. And probably with me not knowing what I'm doing.
I use my phone for work and personal. So all my work contacts are in a group. On previous devices I could assign a ringtone to a group, so I would know if the incoming call was from work, or from one of the kids on the team I coach etc. you follow?
I do not appear to be able to do that with this particular device. I can assign individual ringtones. But that would take hours......
So. unless I'm missing something pretty basic. My first complaint...

awareunlikeu said:
Any chance you have someone near that has a activated Verizon sim, and can test if it works for the Unlocked 10? Many of us would be very grateful!
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I don't, sorry. We're all on Tmobile network here at home.
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ufkal said:
For those who have just gotten their 10, have you been able to do a system update? I "Check for new system update" in settings, and the phone just sits there, checking for new software. please wait. . For real I'm at 8 minutes right now, so I'm guessing its not working.
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I think I may have found my first "complaint" with the phone. and its more with the software. And probably with me not knowing what I'm doing.
I use my phone for work and personal. So all my work contacts are in a group. On previous devices I could assign a ringtone to a group, so I would know if the incoming call was from work, or from one of the kids on the team I coach etc. you follow?
I do not appear to be able to do that with this particular device. I can assign individual ringtones. But that would take hours......
So. unless I'm missing something pretty basic. My first complaint...
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Using the unlocked UK model, I was able to get the update immediately. It was actually the first thing I did after gone through the initial setup.

@home said:
What's the notification light like? Is it RGB?
Usually it' so tiny on a HTC phone.
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It's working on two colors and using light flow lite I could only get green and yellow as usual. Maybe needs kernel mod as there's some rumor it's capable of rgb.
But anyway the LED is bigger than on m9 or m7
Much easier to notice

tbalden said:
It's working on two colors and using light flow lite I could only get green and yellow as usual. Maybe needs kernel mod as there's some rumor it's capable of rgb.
But anyway the LED is bigger than on m9 or m7
Much easier to notice
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Cheers.
I don't want to have to mod to get RGB. HTC why do you not just fit one as std.

ufkal said:
For those who have just gotten their 10, have you been able to do a system update? I "Check for new system update" in settings, and the phone just sits there, checking for new software. please wait. . For real I'm at 8 minutes right now, so I'm guessing its not working.
---------- Post added at 11:58 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:08 AM ----------
I think I may have found my first "complaint" with the phone. and its more with the software. And probably with me not knowing what I'm doing.
I use my phone for work and personal. So all my work contacts are in a group. On previous devices I could assign a ringtone to a group, so I would know if the incoming call was from work, or from one of the kids on the team I coach etc. you follow?
I do not appear to be able to do that with this particular device. I can assign individual ringtones. But that would take hours......
So. unless I'm missing something pretty basic. My first complaint...
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St. Louis as in St. Louis in Missouri in USA? Is the update actually available in the USA?
1.30.xxx.x has been available in Europe + Asia (EMEA) but it was said that the 1.30.xxx.x would arrive in USA end of this week.
I'm trying to remember whose tweet that was or where I read it but can't for the life of me find it right now.

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