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Is it your Fav phone?
mine by far
Tell us why its your favorite or why its not
I don't mean any offense by this, but I think this Thread does not really belong in the Q&A section.
While it is a question if all of us think, whether this is the most awesome phone since the invention of cans and a string, it is not one that can be definitively answered.
So this would belong in the general section. This section - as I understand it - is for folks who have trouble with their device and seek advice or help.
actually it was meant for "Off-Topic" i do not know how it ended here =0
Not my FAVOURITE phone ever, simply because I waited so long for it and then it came with so many issues (for me). Dodgy loose z-hinge which causes the two halves of the phone not to stay tight shut (mine is still buffered with layers of electrical tape in between to stop the annoying tapping when one half hits the other when typing on the screen), poor screen in sunlight, really poor speaker, 4 row keyboard instead of 5. These are the things that made me unhappy when I got it, but with little else to choose from (Android qwerty-wise) I had little option but to get used to it.
I think my favourite phone ever has to be my G1, simply because it was on a completely different level to what I had been using previously (Nokia smartphones like the N85 and N73). Yeah, sure it didn't really have the hardware needed (especially towards the end of it's life) but I LOVED that phone like a child :-D
The G2/DZ is a pretty decent phone, but was not groundbreaking in any way, shape or form. The development scene for it is just as good as I remember the G1's being, which is a plus - and ultimately that, and the fact there are still no better qwertys in the UK, is the only reason I'm still using this thing.
I love it because I got in love with it in March, and wanted to get it with a budget of just 250€ euros... No used ones weren't fake, so I got a Nexus One, great phone, and I decided to keep it thinking it was better of my beloved DZ, than in August Desire Z was 240€ new and sold my nexus one to get it. Now I love it, every single thing but the back cover which is already damaged. I like HTC assistance: they sent me a courier (is it right?) beacause I lived 20km far from the collection point and then in one working week I had it back repaired... (now on the other side they're asking me to go to the colelction point to get a new usb cable, which is 10€ and I should take 10 euros of train to get there..).
But as for the phone itself it just lacks a better GPU and a bit more of battery... Oh yes, it should be at least two metres thicker and five tons lighter
but I love it!
virtualflyer said:
I love it because I got in love with it in March, and wanted to get it with a budget of just 250€ euros... No used ones weren't fake, so I got a Nexus One, great phone, and I decided to keep it thinking it was better of my beloved DZ, than in August Desire Z was 240€ new and sold my nexus one to get it. Now I love it, every single thing but the back cover which is already damaged. I like HTC assistance: they sent me a courier (is it right?) beacause I lived 20km far from the collection point and then in one working week I had it back repaired... (now on the other side they're asking me to go to the colelction point to get a new usb cable, which is 10€ and I should take 10 euros of train to get there..).
But as for the phone itself it just lacks a better GPU and a bit more of battery... Oh yes, it should be at least two metres thicker and five tons lighter
but I love it!
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I MISS MY NeXus One, I LOVE MY G2
2 of my favorite besides the G2X
Cheers
setspeed said:
Not my FAVOURITE phone ever, simply because I waited so long for it and then it came with so many issues (for me). Dodgy loose z-hinge which causes the two halves of the phone not to stay tight shut (mine is still buffered with layers of electrical tape in between to stop the annoying tapping when one half hits the other when typing on the screen), poor screen in sunlight, really poor speaker, 4 row keyboard instead of 5. These are the things that made me unhappy when I got it, but with little else to choose from (Android qwerty-wise) I had little option but to get used to it.
I think my favourite phone ever has to be my G1, simply because it was on a completely different level to what I had been using previously (Nokia smartphones like the N85 and N73). Yeah, sure it didn't really have the hardware needed (especially towards the end of it's life) but I LOVED that phone like a child :-D
The G2/DZ is a pretty decent phone, but was not groundbreaking in any way, shape or form. The development scene for it is just as good as I remember the G1's being, which is a plus - and ultimately that, and the fact there are still no better qwertys in the UK, is the only reason I'm still using this thing.
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God, I hated my g1, then again i got it 2 days after it came out....in Bronze
G2.. best phone ever. Left iphone in the dust for it and never looked back
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qjbj90 said:
G2.. best phone ever. Left iphone in the dust for it and never looked back
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yEAH g2 is an amazing device!
When I look at all the new phones without hard keys or trackpads, I don't know what I'll find to replace my G2. I just have to get a handle on my battery drain issues then I can get another two years from it. I still miss the g1 keyboard sometimes, but the g2 is better in so many ways.
It is.
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I honestly liked my Nokia E71. I got it before my Desire Z. Nokia's were great.
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I honestly liked my Nokia E71. I got it before my Desire Z. Nokia's were great.
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Yeah, I absolutly agree! But I still would rather have the galaxy s 2 than anything else.
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Yeah, I absolutly agree! But I still would rather have the galaxy s 2 than anything else.
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Sorry Major HTC Fan...wait
-Nexus One
-G2
-MyTouch 3G
-MyTouch 3G Slide
-Mytouch 4G
-MyTouch 4G Slide
-Sensation
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great phones =)
Its actually the only phone I loved that hasnt broken on me yet had it for almost a full year now and it still runs great. Dropped it plenty of times on the ground and it only has a few scratches & dents. Z-hinges aren't really bothersome and really isnt that loose, it makes the phone fun to flip and play around with actually! I really cant see a new phone w/o a qwerty board. Lets hope we get to see at least some this year.
I honestly dont know if there is another phone out there for me to update to! So I see myself with the g2 for a looooong time! And I would have never updated to it if it wasnt for the H+ speeds!
G1 in honesty has the best hand placement/keyboard feel!
Another plus was it was Black too!!
Have had it for more than a year and was my first smart phone. For me the only other device that competes is mytouch 4g slide simply because I can't live without keyboard but imo this has a far better look and feel than the 4g
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It's my favorite phone, but it only became so after rooting it. IMO Sense is a bulky solution for dummy proofing a phone.When I rooted and got rid of the bloat I started loving it more and more.
I had a Desire before I went to the G2. I had to find out the expensive way that a touchscreen only phone just doesn't work for me
I had the g1 before this, and a few sidekicks before that. I've been hooked on keyboard phones since around 2006. Being a t-mobile customer, I am bound to what they provide so physical keyboards have become somewhat of a necessary thing for me when shopping for a phone. The g2 came as quite a surprise really. It's nearly 2 years old now and with a little tweaking, it's still preforming as well as a lot of todays (stock) high end devices. Bravo htc.
I'm looking forward to future physical keyboard devices.
This phone sure is a great product.
Nice collection of roms to choose from, and gotta love the keyboard.
First phone with physical QWERTY to me, and I won't buy a phone without it again.
This does need some tweaking (custom rom & overclocking) to be fast enough for daily use - but it's very easy thing to do.
This is my second Android-phone.
Here is my issue. When it comes to smartphones, I am a IOS guy from the start. I upgrade every 2 years, selling the old on craigslist which pays for the latest iPhone upgrade.
What I like is that there is active (i won't call it development but rather tweaking) in the jailbreak community for that 2 year period mainly due to the fact that all the apple devices run the same code. We all know that...
Well... frankly the iPhone5 bores me, and I think I may go android. However, some things bother me.
One is the plastic/cheap feel of the S3. Apple seems to have build quality way above and beyond the S3 here. No worries, an aluminum bumper and battery cover solves that issue for me.
More concerning is the development path for any particular android device. It seems like manufacturers stop development and release of new OS's in about a year of release which means 3rd party devs need to take the slack. I have a Asus Transformer tablet and this is exactly what happened... however I have found that dev roms are usually not full featured and buggy, especially when you want a new android build. (like going from ICS to JB for instance)
I do however tend to tweak my phones for about the first 6 months and leave them... my iPhone is still on IOS 5.0.
I'm just concerned about getting the latest code on the android since some newer apps don't work on old android. Just dont know what to do.
Any thoughts?
-J
The S3 is the best selling device Android has ever had. You have nothing to worry about. Since you've come to xda you don't have to be concerned about official updates to the firmware. The development community will be putting stuff out for this device for years to come.
The only device on Android with Apple style update support is a Nexus device. If official firmware updates are your main concern get one of those. But the current nexus is getting old. New one is expected by the end of this year.
An attempt at a fully honest reply to your concerns...
Compared to Apply devices, the S3 _is_ made with a cheaper shell and does "feel" cheaper. Not only is the shell and battery cover made of plastic, its made of super thin and flimsy plastic. If that bothers you now, the concern will only fester over time and you might be better off looking for another phone. HTC phones have a higher shell build quality. While I personally don't like the device overall (and wouldn't seriously suggest it), the take a look at the overall "outside quality" of the HTC OneX.. it just feels like it's built better (but at the expense of other things.)
What's INSIDE the phone is usually of a better quality. Having the removable battery and microSD can be a really big deal. The only two current concerns I have with the North American version of the SGS3 is that Samsung seems to be providing the wrong driver for the LED and the battery life isn't as good as the international version (when comparing the two phones on non-LTE networks.) The former should be correctable with a proper LED lib (or perhaps re-worked kernel functionality) and the latter with more tweaking.
As for updates, the North American phone is likely to be a mixed bag. Samsung usually will support their "flagship" phones (such as the original SGS3) for 2 years. However, it appears they drop support for the variants of those phones earlier. For example, the international SGS2 is better supported than the US t-mobile variant of the same. (The AT&T SGS2 is an oddity as it shares the same processor as the international version, so people port the international firmwares to the AT&T one with ease.) The North American version of the SGS3 (qualcomm S4) is a variant of the actual flagship S3 device. Will they continue to support it? It's hard to say - and adding in the fact that carriers (AT&T, etc) seem to control updates, it's possible that a carrier branded SGS3 will lose support before 2 years elapses.
All that being said, Samsung seems to be better (at least lately) with updating their devices than HTC. Motorola is an unknown right now as they used to really suck, but might get much better with Google now owning them. (It didn't help moto's rep that nearly all their phones in the US were Verizon phones and Verizon is infamous for blocking updates.)
On other point on the updates is that ALL the US variants of the SGS3 are pretty much the same, making any effort to update them more worthwhile.
Finally, you have a final concern about apps not working on older phones. I actually disagree with that statement. Every single app on my current phones will work fine under Gingerbread which is a few years old already. I'd be confident saying that if you buy a phone today that's sure to get jelly bean, you'll be good for apps for at least 3 years.
Take care and good luck
Gary
I don't think you have to worry about apps being incompatible in the next 2 years for the s3. Majority of apps are compatible all the way back to donut. My s2 on gingerbread hasn't ran into this issue either.
I think you will be fine for the next 2 years because of the development with the first galaxy s series alone. But if you want the latest and greatest you might be tempted to get something else next year.
I love my SGS3 but I agreed with the plastic cover being thin and feeling cheap. Samsung just announced that a S4 will be released early next year so I guess a lot of development will go for the newer phone. The micro SD and 4.8" screen did it for me.
build quality
garyd9 said:
An attempt at a fully honest reply to your concerns...
Compared to Apply devices, the S3 _is_ made with a cheaper shell and does "feel" cheaper. Not only is the shell and battery cover made of plastic, its made of super thin and flimsy plastic. If that bothers you now, the concern will only fester over time and you might be better off looking for another phone. HTC phones have a higher shell build quality. While I personally don't like the device overall (and wouldn't seriously suggest it), the take a look at the overall "outside quality" of the HTC OneX.. it just feels like it's built better (but at the expense of other things.)
I think the whole build quality flimsy plastic thing is way over blown. The same discussion takes place in camera forums regarding magnesium bodies vs composite bodies.
for phones the truth is (at least as I see it) that build quality for higher end phones is all smoke and mirrors everyone puts a case on it anyway and they all have the potential to break if you drop them so plastic or aluminum doesnt matter.
If your worried about durability you put a otterbox on and you cant tell what its make of anyway if you are worried about fasion you put some fancy case on and it still breaks if you drop it.
The S3 plastic back is less likely to scratch than the iphone one and if it does it is replaceable the iphone isnt.
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everyone puts a case on it anyway and they all have the potential to break if you drop them so plastic or aluminum doesnt matter.
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No, everyone doesn't. I haven't used any type of case on a phone since I was using an ipaq. Some people prefer using them "naked" and might carry them in some kind of belt clip holster. (I used a thin strip of rubber tape to deal with the iphone4 antenna issue.) Some use a case - some don't.
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The S3 plastic back is less likely to scratch than the iphone one and if it does it is replaceable the iphone isnt.
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I can't speak for the iphone 5 or "3s", but in regards to the original iphone, the 4 and 4S, this statement isn't true. The coating on the back of the S3 is so sensitive that if you sneeze near it you'll have a new scratch.
This is actual experience with the international SGS3 (blue), AT&T SGS3 (blue) and AT&T SGS3 (red) as well as the above mentioned iphone's. (I can also compare to a range of nexus devices, a couple of HTC devices and at least 2 moto android-based devices.)
On the other hand, it IS easy to replace the back cover (assuming you can get a replacement - AT&T doesn't sell them and the various ebay sellers don't seem to have OEM red ones yet. OEM blue ones ship from China the last I checked. I don't have a white phone so can't comment on that.)
I don't want to get into a pissing contest between this phone and that phone. The OP asked I gave a frank and honest response. My own (personal) device that I use most commonly is the international SGS3, but I do own all the mentioned devices (and more.) Is the sgs3 the best device currently? Well, I think it is today (but I don't mind a few scuffs on the back plate of my phone, insist on a replacable battery, don't like being locked into apple, etc.)
I was with the iphone for a long time But then finally jumped over a while ago. Even after looking at the new iphone..there is nothing..nothing at all Apple has done or offered to make me even think about going back.
Perhaps 'everyone' uses a cover is an overstatement but I would say that nearly everyone uses a case is not to far off base.
so far I have had no scratches on my sg3 (although I do have a case on it) I would also suspect that the aluminum will be less scratch resistant than the iphone glass was. Of course we dont know yet but... drag your keys acros the top of a mac book it will definitly scratch.
The Captivate (AT&T Galaxy S1 variant) still has active cyanogenmod development. I think that it's very likely that this will too.
What amazes me is that people actually put the s3 into their pockets without a case... One drop and the screen is toast. Please buy an Otterbox commuter case.... My 18 month old chucks it and not one issue so far. S3 will have a ton of development. Let's hope the S4 does not use a larger screen, except if they get rid of all the buttons and go full screen without any bezel gaps. Going to sell this puppy on amazon and get the S4 when the time arrives.
Sorry please delete me
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What amazes me is that people actually put the s3 into their pockets without a case... One drop and the screen is toast. Please buy an Otterbox commuter case.... My 18 month old chucks it and not one issue so far. S3 will have a ton of development. Let's hope the S4 does not use a larger screen, except if they get rid of all the buttons and go full screen without any bezel gaps. Going to sell this puppy on amazon and get the S4 when the time arrives.
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It's mostly teenagers who think they don't need a case, since at that arrogant age they tend to think that both they and their tech are invincible.
And On-Topic: The S3 is on track to sell 30 million devices, so it'll be seeing support for at least 2 years. My less popular 2.25 year-old Captivate got CM7, CM9, and CM10 updates afterall.
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It's mostly teenagers who think they don't need a case, since at that arrogant age they tend to think that both they and their tech are invincible.
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30, no case. Haven't had one for any phone and haven't needed one. Have dropped a gs2 from 5 feet onto asphalt without a scratch. Cases are for people who are not careful with their devices, or have a mission critical need for their phone. Although really, cases are for people that get suckered in by the salesman who has to meet his accessory quota. Or any other ridiculous generalization you want to make.
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It's mostly teenagers who think they don't need a case, since at that arrogant age they tend to think that both they and their tech are invincible.
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I wish I was a teenager again. At 41, and prefer not to take a thin phone and make it thick with a case. I do use a belt holster, however, to carry it around. (I have too much other stuff in my pockets to put my phone in there.)
Oh, and I'm still arrogant... that has nothing to do with age.
garyd9 said:
I wish I was a teenager again. At 41, and prefer not to take a thin phone and make it thick with a case. I do use a belt holster, however, to carry it around. (I have too much other stuff in my pockets to put my phone in there.)
Oh, and I'm still arrogant... that has nothing to do with age.
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Hah. You guys are outliers! And the kids are still in school right now.
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30, no case. Haven't had one for any phone and haven't needed one. Have dropped a gs2 from 5 feet onto asphalt without a scratch. Cases are for people who are not careful with their devices, or have a mission critical need for their phone. Although really, cases are for people that get suckered in by the salesman who has to meet his accessory quota. Or any other ridiculous generalization you want to make.
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I couldn't agree with you more. Although every phone I have owned I've spent the money and had a Zaag screen protector. No matter how careful you are with the phone, one small item in your pocket and the glass is scratched.
I have 3 cases for my S3, all of which I used for up to an hour and took it off. Especially the OtterBox. I couldn't stand it.
And to the father's who hand their phones out to their young children. Your nuts. I have enough old phones they can play with but there not touching my S3 haha
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More concerning is the development path for any particular android device. It seems like manufacturers stop development and release of new OS's in about a year of release which means 3rd party devs need to take the slack.
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A further reply on this comment - and concerning the references to apple/iOS. As you said, Apple tends to keep OS updates going for at least a couple years.
However, you didn't mention what level of updates they actually get. A year after I got an iphone4, iOS 5 had a new feature called "siri." For some reason, apple didn't give that to the iphone 4 users. (The jailbreaking community proved that the older phone could easily handle running it.) This year, iOS6 is being pushed to my iphone4. There are SEVERAL "new" features of the OS that aren't appearing on my iphone4 including several related to the maps, navigation, siri, etc, etc.
Essentially, while apple does send out OS updates to a phone for two (or even more) years, they aren't complete updates and really are no better (and in many cases quite a bit worse) than the updates you'll see with an android device. At least Samsung doesn't send out an update called "jellybean" that has jellybean features stripped out of it.
Example? The SGS2 (over a year old now) is getting google's voice search(similar to siri) with the JB update (even if Samsung doesn't push it, there are already CM10 ports available for it), already has the map features that the iphone4 will never get, etc.
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I couldn't agree with you more. Although every phone I have owned I've spent the money and had a Zaag screen protector. No matter how careful you are with the phone, one small item in your pocket and the glass is scratched.
I have 3 cases for my S3, all of which I used for up to an hour and took it off. Especially the OtterBox. I couldn't stand it.
And to the father's who hand their phones out to their young children. Your nuts. I have enough old phones they can play with but there not touching my S3 haha
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The Rock 'quicksand' cases are the only ones I can tolerate. Add a good screen protector and you have a slim but protected s3.
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Here is my issue. When it comes to smartphones, I am a IOS guy from the start. I upgrade every 2 years, selling the old on craigslist which pays for the latest iPhone upgrade.
What I like is that there is active (i won't call it development but rather tweaking) in the jailbreak community for that 2 year period mainly due to the fact that all the apple devices run the same code. We all know that...
Well... frankly the iPhone5 bores me, and I think I may go android. However, some things bother me.
One is the plastic/cheap feel of the S3. Apple seems to have build quality way above and beyond the S3 here. No worries, an aluminum bumper and battery cover solves that issue for me.
More concerning is the development path for any particular android device. It seems like manufacturers stop development and release of new OS's in about a year of release which means 3rd party devs need to take the slack. I have a Asus Transformer tablet and this is exactly what happened... however I have found that dev roms are usually not full featured and buggy, especially when you want a new android build. (like going from ICS to JB for instance)
I do however tend to tweak my phones for about the first 6 months and leave them... my iPhone is still on IOS 5.0.
I'm just concerned about getting the latest code on the android since some newer apps don't work on old android. Just dont know what to do.
Any thoughts?
-J
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For a quick answer to your question go check out the threads for the sgs1 (I9000). Pawitp is an awesome dev and that device has a great cm10 ROM.
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HTC Phone sales: 7,3 m
HTC Pkone sales drop: -42,5%
This is only in the Q3 2012 !
What is happening?
seriously a new post for this? its been discussed in many threads
everyone hates HTC for the lack of SD expansion despite the big storage, the battery issues despite rushing for the slim SGS2 last year which seems to have confused HTC about which is more imporant, they also hate it for not providing OTA faster than google
and the defects on the One X early launch and the US import block from apple on the One series
finally HTC can't afford the mass advertising of samsung
so yea, we all wanted HTC down and it is going down
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HTC Phone sales: 7,3 m
HTC Pkone sales drop: -42,5%
This is only in the Q3 2012 !
What is happening?
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You wonder about it? I don't. HTC does the same mistakes over and over again, losing customers, maintaining their bad image.
its ok they are going back to their windows root as you can see by their 8x
Also S-On. That alone has caused many to not buy HTC devices anymore. I won't be buying their devices that are S-On ever again. (Not that you care what I think, just if enough people think like I do....their sales will drop even more)...
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Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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I am really sorry I honestly don't find the point about this thread.
If HTC goes bankrupt that is their thing, or are you their spy sent here to discuss and try to convince us to buy more of "your" product?
Too bad you fai....
Zlotin said:
Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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:good: super post
Zlotin said:
Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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oh my god this guy is spot on. exactly what i wanted to say for a long time, to be honest i think they died mostly because of marketing, i dont see much of HTC's marketing compare to Samsung, everyone agree the HOX is an awesome phone but not so many people know about it, combined with the money lost from buying Beats. I'm kind of tired of people *****ing about sense, 32gb is not much, no sd card, removable battery, seriously MOST normal user (not the geek like us here on XDA) dont care about those things, oh yeah and one more thing, i love sense. LOL
Possibly also gonna be one of my last phone by HTC - for now... My phone is getting repaired for 250 euros and then i'm going to sell it for 250 euros (basically giving it away without profit). I already have a buyer and i will get the nexus 4 from google for only 300 euros. (i'm only doing this because it costs me 50$ more to get a nexus 4, since i have to get it repaired either way, eh?). If the nexus4 didn't have such a great money/specification ratio i would have probably stayed one x.
pros: I love htc's design, i love sense, it does feel different.
cons:
Their UI is good, but it comes with consequences, sadly due to my screen breaking i don't think i'll be experiencing sense with jelly bean. As good as 2.17 has gotten, IMO it's not there yet in terms of performance. I can't describe how much the app drawar annoys the living crap out of me. (I think JB fixes it though)
Display is wonderful, but why in their right mind would they put a 1800 mAh battery in a quadcore phone with a 40nm processor? I monitor my battery whenever i use it as if there's no tomorrow. You end up reaching a point where you think, okay can't touch this or that. Might get a sporadic % drop that will leave me with nearly no juice at all.
Even before rooting my phone, it would drop by 5 sometimes even more % at a time. This fault seems to not only be in the one x, but it also seems to show same crappy stats on the HTC Cha Cha(given to me by my provider) which i'm using now till my one x comes back.
IMO they seem to be doing a lot of things right and well, but if you are doing more wrong than right then that's where a company has two think twice about what they are doing.
That's not to say that other companies do not have their problems. Samsung has its faults too. But i feel as though with that company the wrongs don't outweigh the rights. I feel as though they(HTC) still haven't learned about simple things. I remember reading their blog about how important a thin phone is. It is important, but those 0.2~3 mm for the sake of a little bit more battery would satisfy users much more than having a device with 0.2~0.3mm less thickness and therefor less battery.
There's a reason they are not earning money and they should look into it asap.
edit: this seems like a rant. No! I honestly have not seen a nicer screen than the one on my ONE X. But despite the gorgeous screen i can't see it justifying those few faults by htc. (One thing i must admit - once i went SLCD2 i can't convince myself to go back to amoled that's one of the only main reasons i've also considered for going with the nexus4 is also because of the IPS screen which is said to be good. If it were amoled i honestly would have canceled this decision and stayed with the one x this round)
This is my first HTC device, and this is the opinion of a first time HTC user. Me and a friend had WiFi issues and screen gap etc. etc.
This doesn't leave us with a good taste in our mouth. I can really imagine long term users wanting to stay with HTC and that's understandable. This small mistake at the beginning though, has left people still worried about buying an htc one x to date. Still posts pop up about concerns. The first impression is the most important - especially to users wanting to convert to a new company - and as a company that was already in a bit of a trouble they really messed it up this time around. Lets hope htc does it right with tegra 4 a15s. Maybe faith can be restored. Hope it gets back on track because a world with samsung and apple only would suck major balls.
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Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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One thing, dunno if any of you agree.
Those 4,3% and 2% customers are the ones who talk on and on about smartphones on the internet.
Which causes, rumours.. self advertisement.. and I think the resources spent on granting the happiness of these communities will do no harm, in finance or whatsoever.
always wise my friend shehadeh
HTC used to be the top...
My kaiser, my N1,, and now my Senny, are all real good phones.
The sensation form factor with the curve edge screen and removable battery/entire case should have been the standard going forward.
Unfortunately, they are not pushing out anything ground breaking anymore, just following the curve, not creating it, not to mention, their ads really suck compared to the Samsung ones.
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omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
thekillingroad said:
One thing, dunno if any of you agree.
Those 4,3% and 2% customers are the ones who talk on and on about smartphones on the internet.
Which causes, rumours.. self advertisement.. and I think the resources spent on granting the happiness of these communities will do no harm, in finance or whatsoever.
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It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
@mrbkkt1
Man, don`t You know, marketing and management are not only the ads?
Look, the worst move in my eyes was bringing hox so early to the end user. They could take one month extra and release it with a firmware equal to 2.17. In his first month, HOX was one of the worst phones out there: Screen Flickering, VERY bad battery times, many issues in perfomance...In most benchmarks it is still listed with old software, with newer builds it blows SGS3 and all other phones out there.
Another failure was to go after the slimness. I think, it was a wish of top managers, making the hox so slim and light. I would really LOVE my HOX, if it was 3mm thicker with 2300 battery. I would even pay extra, and the most non-emotional buyers would do it to, i think.
Sense is another point, where htc is in their own sh-t. The widgets are very nice, i even prefer the lock screen, but the notification and app drawers are far behind of ICS. They could save money or let programmers work on the new updates, instead of working on porting this crap. Although there are some really great features like get started...
So, like You can see, the problems are much deeper, than ads...
And You can`t say new HTCs are worse than the old ones. HTC Neo was a big fail in my eyes, Universal or Touch Cruise. They where all not good. But at the same time there was Blueangel, a masterpiece, or htc hd2...
Zlotin said:
omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
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No sorrys, I called all of us nerds couple of times in the JB thread =)
I did recommend an iPhone to my own sister, to her husband, to a random guy who just asked stuff about my HD2 in an elevator of a mall.. etc Of course what I meant was not misleading ppl, but I think you did get the idea of what I meant by saying the self advertisement.
exactly what I was trying to say that they are coming from geek area, and they should not lose this while trying to sail into oceans.
Ok staying in the geek area is not that profitable at all for a large company, but forgetting it also is not a good way too.
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No sorrys, I called all of us nerds couple of times in the JB thread =)
I did recommend an iPhone to my own sister, to her husband, to a random guy who just asked stuff about my HD2 in an elevator of a mall.. etc Of course what I meant was not misleading ppl, but I think you did get the idea of what I meant by saying the self advertisement.
exactly what I was trying to say that they are coming from geek area, and they should not lose this while trying to sail into oceans.
Ok staying in the geek area is not that profitable at all for a large company, but forgetting it also is not a good way too.
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You know, in marketing theory, it`s even needed to have fanbase of market`s pioneers, but mobile area is to specific. You see it with apple. They going straight to the consumers, passing all the pioneers
Zlotin said:
omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
@mrbkkt1
Man, don`t You know, marketing and management are not only the ads?
Look, the worst move in my eyes was bringing hox so early to the end user. They could take one month extra and release it with a firmware equal to 2.17. In his first month, HOX was one of the worst phones out there: Screen Flickering, VERY bad battery times, many issues in perfomance...In most benchmarks it is still listed with old software, with newer builds it blows SGS3 and all other phones out there.
Another failure was to go after the slimness. I think, it was a wish of top managers, making the hox so slim and light. I would really LOVE my HOX, if it was 3mm thicker with 2300 battery. I would even pay extra, and the most non-emotional buyers would do it to, i think.
Sense is another point, where htc is in their own sh-t. The widgets are very nice, i even prefer the lock screen, but the notification and app drawers are far behind of ICS. They could save money or let programmers work on the new updates, instead of working on porting this crap. Although there are some really great features like get started...
So, like You can see, the problems are much deeper, than ads...
And You can`t say new HTCs are worse than the old ones. HTC Neo was a big fail in my eyes, Universal or Touch Cruise. They where all not good. But at the same time there was Blueangel, a masterpiece, or htc hd2...
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I'm assuming hox is HTC one x ?
Ads are very influential in certain ways for the mainstream. I remember seeing the ad for the sensation, with the little girl playing the piano, wondering what the point was. Samsung is doing very well at being the anti-Apple.
Another problem is that Samsung and lg make other products besides phones, which can influence their buying decisions, like TVs and washers. What else does HTC make?
I love HTC, but honestly, in a month or so, I'm picking up either an N4, or a GN2.
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Its just the marketing, you all hate iPhone but that makes the most money does it run android no, but people still buy it you lot are not the average tech consumers. HTC is doing bad because of marketing due to the lack of spending money. They spent their money on the wrong things. You cannot compare apple and samsung to HTC, a smartphone manufacturer you idiots. Someone said they are not doing well because of the lack of sd card and s-off you must be seriously stupid. After reading all of these comments I can tell you all one thing business lessons didn't do you a favour did it. I'am a business student I have experience believe me it's just marketing and brand image.
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After service very suck in my country.
You can only sell me one time!
Repaire part very expensive!
Used to love this brand but not anymore.
Wifi problem,broken color in phone's body,USB problem,battery sucker.
No warranty cause unlocked bootloader but you never check my phone yet but only telling unlock you will never check anything.
Bye bye.
Zlotin said:
omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
@mrbkkt1
Man, don`t You know, marketing and management are not only the ads?
Look, the worst move in my eyes was bringing hox so early to the end user. They could take one month extra and release it with a firmware equal to 2.17. In his first month, HOX was one of the worst phones out there: Screen Flickering, VERY bad battery times, many issues in perfomance...In most benchmarks it is still listed with old software, with newer builds it blows SGS3 and all other phones out there.
Another failure was to go after the slimness. I think, it was a wish of top managers, making the hox so slim and light. I would really LOVE my HOX, if it was 3mm thicker with 2300 battery. I would even pay extra, and the most non-emotional buyers would do it to, i think.
Sense is another point, where htc is in their own sh-t. The widgets are very nice, i even prefer the lock screen, but the notification and app drawers are far behind of ICS. They could save money or let programmers work on the new updates, instead of working on porting this crap. Although there are some really great features like get started...
So, like You can see, the problems are much deeper, than ads...
And You can`t say new HTCs are worse than the old ones. HTC Neo was a big fail in my eyes, Universal or Touch Cruise. They where all not good. But at the same time there was Blueangel, a masterpiece, or htc hd2...
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Maybe we are a small percentage of users...but as someone else mentioned, we do influence family and friends buying habits. Not only that but I've seen quite a few devs drop HTC devices for Samsung BECAUSE of the locked bootloaders.
There are 4 million xda users. If a small percentage of us influence others it does add up. All of these decisions add up.
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Guys and gals, let me start off by saying that I am an absolute phone whore. Last year alone, I owned almost every single flagship at one point or another. I've rooted all my phones, have flashed 100's of roms, etc. You can check my posting history, blah, blah. I'm not trying to brag or anything, I just want people to know that I'm not some Android noob.
Anyhow, I am most recently coming from a Nexus 5 and a Note 3 before that. Last year, I owned the HTC One M7 twice. Each time for about a week. The first time is when my gf and I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile. When we didn't get good reception at work, we switched to AT&T and I once again got the M7. We are still on AT&T, but I dumped my M7 after a week on AT&T for the Note 3. Anyhow, here were my issues with the M7 that I see again with the M8:
1. After all the constant "excellent build quality" praise that the M7 and now M8 constantly get, I really just don't see it. Based on materials alone, yes, the M7 and M8 are excellent in materials. In actual build quality, they are both quite poor in my opinion. Both of my M7's from last year had screen fitment issues where they weren't flush with the top and bottom speaker grills. It annoyed the heck out of my OCD self and was one of the few reasons why I returned them both.
My M8 has a very similar issue. On the right side of the phone, the top and bottom speaker grills are raised above the glass. So my finger snags when I'm swiping up or down on the screen. Super annoying and I'm going to exchange it for sure, if I even keep this phone in general.
2. The LED notification light....if you can call it one. Is HTC the only smartphone manufacturer that doesn't understand the importance and desire from consumers to have a bright, legible and multi-colored LED notification light? The one on the M7 and now M8 is pathetic. Might as well not even have one. It is the size of a pinhole, can only show green or amber, and it is next to useless.
To HTC's credit, the one on the M8 does seem to be a bit more visible than it was on the M7, but it could be in my head. And also keep in mind that I knew exactly what I was getting into when I bought the M8, so it's my own fault with this issue. I still wanted to mention it however as it still bothers me.
3. The camera. I will keep this one short as there is constant discussion about it and people have varying opinions. My opinion is that it's lackluster, and I never thought I would say my Nexus 5 camera is better than a premium flagship phone. But it is, and I will leave it at that.
And once again, I knew what I was getting into before I purchased the M8, but I fell for HTC's duo camera marketing thinking it might somehow make 4mp's better than 4mp's. It didn't and I'm disappointed for the most part.
4. Software....I don't know what it is, but Sense 6 feels cold and empty to me. Coming from the Nexus 5, I know this might sound like a bizarre statement, but something feels off and I can't quite pinpoint it. It feels, dare I say, boring. Yes it is fast and smooth, I will give it that. But that's about where it ends for me.
I also can't wrap my head around HTC still not addressing their messaging app oddity. On the M7, when you got a new text message and opened the app, the new message wouldn't immediately appear and it would refresh quickly and then it would show up. I don't know about anyone else, but that is super duper annoying to me. And it's sadly still present on the M8.
Some might say, "use Hangouts or a 3rd party app". And I would say "nope". I hate how Hangouts handles SMS and MMS and I don't like to use 3rd party apps for text messaging. Just personal preference.
5. The physical aspect of the phone itself....it's just too tall. I understand they had to cram amps, a bigger battery, etc into the phone. But almost as tall as the Note 3? Come on. The phone feels good in the hand however, but it's just a little cumbersome. And I still hate the top of phone power button placement even thought they moved it from the left side to right.
With all of that being said, I still really, really like this phone believe it or not. The above average sound from the speakers, good battery life, good reception (compared to my Nexus 5), very nice quality screen, and fluid performance all add up for me.
So now I'm in the dilemma of deciding if the cons outweigh the pros enough to return the phone. Are my gripes unreasonable? Am I alone here? Any advice or thoughts?
Thanks!
You are not alone...I have owned pretty much every Android flagship as well.
At least some if not most will have the same gripes.
I have a One on the way soon but I am not as particular (at least I think so).
1. I never had screen fitment issues. I owned about 4 M7's (don't ask lol)
2. Notification light...ya this one bugs me. You pointed out yourself and I'll leave it at that.
3. I give up on the camera discussion. I'll refrain on chiming in on this because this can go on for days. In the end, I'm ok with it. If I want good shots, I have a regular camera.
4. I love Sense..simple, clean, and fast. I don't need all the bells and whistles. If I do, I pull out my Note 3 which is used for work mainly.
The One (pun intended) thing that keeps me coming back is the M7/M8 just does what it does best...be a smartphone. I think the biggest complaint is the camera. I think the M8's strong points are more than enough to make up for the lackluster camera which isn't the best but it's adequate.
For you WizeGuyDezignz, the questions is are you willing to return/sell/exhange the M8 for all the things you point out?
WizeGuyDezignz said:
4. Software....I don't know what it is, but Sense 6 feels cold and empty to me. Coming from the Nexus 5, I know this might sound like a bizarre statement, but something feels off and I can't quite pinpoint it. It feels, dare I say, boring. Yes it is fast and smooth, I will give it that. But that's about where it ends for me.
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YES
I was just recollecting today about how much I disliked my M7 (and how happy I was to trade it for an S4), and I couldn't remember why.
This is the #1 reason why (with bad battery life of course)! There is so little color and so little contrast that the whole UI is BORING! TouchWiz on the S4 was colorful and inviting. Although it was more bloated, the experience was more pleasant somehow.
I also have to agree with all of your other gripes. The build "quality" seemed quite lacking (and mine was pretty good compared to some of the "Ones" that looked like trash out of the box). Apple does it right with the metal. HTC, not so much. I'm canceling my M8 Dev order and either going for a GPE or an S5. I'd never hated a phone as much as I had the M7 (just /using/ it made me unhappy), and I really don't want to go through the same thing with the M8 (Sense hasn't changed much and I'm sure it will go down the same). If I were you, I'd return it and go for an S5 or GPE as well.
And no, you aren't alone/crazy, but maybe I am
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I have a M7 right now, will be getting M8 when T-Mobile has it. But I'll chime in as well, since theyre pretty similar.
1. Yea, I agree. I had tons of issues with my first M7, my second M7 is better but still not perfect. Your issues with the M8 sound a lot better than either of my M7s though.
First one: Badly mis-aligned top and bottom speaker grilles. Recessed power button (had to use my nail to really push it). Screen wasnt flush with the bottom grille.
Second one (current one): Top and bottom grilles are better, but still slightly misaligned. Power button is normal. Screen is slightly sunken in on the lower left corner, but I'm not sure if this developed over time.
2. Yep.. I miss the notification lights from my old phones. They all did this better than the HTC One, except for the HTC G2... which had an equally useless tiny LED behind the speaker grille... hmmmmmmm
3. I'm one of the few that actually likes the camera. I have no need for so many megapixels. My Canon 5D Classic has 12.8MP and my Panasonic GM1 has 16MP. Even with these cameras I dont like to zoom in 100%, even with my sharpest lenses in the best lighting I rarely want to zoom in that far. Theres no need for a phone to have that much... I'd say 8MP at most, but I'm fine with the 4MP right now.
4. I dont have an issue with Sense. But maybe you feel its "cold" because its completely black and white? I believe Sense 6 allows you to change the colors a bit, so try that.
5. Yeaa.. its a pretty big phone. I'm not sure how I'll adjust to the M8 after having my M7. I would rather lose the speakers since I don't use em anyway but meh. Maybe next year.
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YES
I was just recollecting today about how much I disliked my M7 (and how happy I was to trade it for an S4), and I couldn't remember why.
This is the #1 reason why (with bad battery life of course)! There is so little color and so little contrast that the whole UI is BORING! TouchWiz on the S4 was colorful and inviting. Although it was more bloated, the experience was more pleasant somehow.
I also have to agree with all of your other gripes. The build "quality" seemed quite lacking (and mine was pretty good compared to some of the "Ones" that looked like trash out of the box). Apple does it right with the metal. HTC, not so much. I'm canceling my M8 Dev order and either going for a GPE or an S5. I'd never hated a phone as much as I had the M7 (just /using/ it made me unhappy), and I really don't want to go through the same thing with the M8 (Sense hasn't changed much and I'm sure it will go down the same). If I were you, I'd return it and go for an S5 or GPE as well.
And no, you aren't alone/crazy, but maybe I am
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Yeah, the reason why I posted this was to type all of my thoughts out to make me think more logically. On the surface, I want to keep the M8 for the style/design, speakers, etc. But I can't let that be the only reason. I need to look beyond those things and value the functionality of the software and the user experience.
This is why I am actually going to consider the S5. I already pre-ordered it for my gf since she wants to stick with Samsung. So I am going to give hers a test drive and make up my mind at that time.
Thanks for your input!
They aren't completely black and white (one is though), but all four themes lack contrast. There's no "custom" theme option from what I've seen (ability to customize the four main colors), and the whole thing looks too bland to me because of it. To each their own, but Sense just doesn't cut it for me. Although I've installed ROMs numerous times, I always find myself back at stock for one reason or another. Hence, I'm against putting a custom ROM on the M8 to fix the colors.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, the reason why I posted this was to type all of my thoughts out to make me think more logically. On the surface, I want to keep the M8 for the style/design, speakers, etc. But I can't let that be the only reason. I need to look beyond those things and value the functionality of the software and the user experience.
This is why I am actually going to consider the S5. I already pre-ordered it for my gf since she wants to stick with Samsung. So I am going to give hers a test drive and make up my mind at that time.
Thanks for your input!
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Honestly, I think it would be better to just install a custom launcher or wait for custom roms (if you dont mind unlocking/rooting your phone).
Samsung's Touchwiz is the worst thing I have ever used. I've never owned a Samsung phone but I've helped plenty of friends with their S3s, S4s, etc. I also cant stand the plastic build. And the S5 looks like a bad ripoff of the original Nexus 7.
WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, the reason why I posted this was to type all of my thoughts out to make me think more logically. On the surface, I want to keep the M8 for the style/design, speakers, etc. But I can't let that be the only reason. I need to look beyond those things and value the functionality of the software and the user experience.
This is why I am actually going to consider the S5. I already pre-ordered it for my gf since she wants to stick with Samsung. So I am going to give hers a test drive and make up my mind at that time.
Thanks for your input!
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Hey of course! I agree with typing stuff out. Sometimes it really helps
I've been in the exact same situation as you, wanting to get the M8 because of the metal/hype/great reviews, but if you don't like the UI you don't like the UI. I'm very glad I could help, and don't forget you helped me also! It was your post that made me realize why I disliked the M7 so much
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Honestly, I think it would be better to just install a custom launcher or wait for custom roms (if you dont mind unlocking/rooting your phone).
Samsung's Touchwiz is the worst thing I have ever used. I've never owned a Samsung phone but I've helped plenty of friends with their S3s, S4s, etc. I also cant stand the plastic build. And the S5 looks like a bad ripoff of the original Nexus 7.
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I considered the Google Launcher, but all of the stock apps have the theme/color issue too. Probably the biggest reason I've stayed away from ROMs (except for when I've tried them of course ) is that they're never 100% perfect, and rarely as stable as stock.
The GPE caught my eye, but I'd just assume get a Nexus 5... Some metal, speakers, SD slot, and a bit more battery life are in no way worth a $300 premium IMO (and more weight+slower updates). Does the GPE even support the Dot View?
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... You all know there has been TONS of themes for Sense made here on xda right? Can make it look however you like.. sure there's no built in option for it in the ui itself, but there are flashable zips aplenty here. That should be a non-issue. And if you like the nexus(aka stock/aosp), the same launchers work for this phone and the m7. Can even convert the m7 to GPE, and I'm sure the m8 will be the same once we get soff..
As for build quality, you need to at least exchange the phones, I've had 3 m7's and now the m8 and all are absolutely perfect. No raised speaker grills or anything of the sort. Had to just be a bad luck at the time(s) or something :/
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HolyAngel said:
... You all know there has been TONS of themes for Sense made here on xda right? Can make it look however you like.. sure there's no built in option for it in the ui itself, but there are flashable zips aplenty here. That should be a non-issue. And if you like the nexus(aka stock/aosp), the same launchers work for this phone and the m7. Can even convert the m7 to GPE, and I'm sure the m8 will be the same once we get soff..
As for build quality, you need to at least exchange the phones, I've had 3 m7's and now the m8 and all are absolutely perfect. No raised speaker grills or anything of the sort. Had to just be a bad luck at the time(s) or something :/
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For Sense 6 though?
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For Sense 6 though?
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Nippero said:
For Sense 6 though?
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I know my team already has some made and working on more, and I know there are a couple other teams/people making themes for sense 6 too but don't have any links handy. It's taking a little longer as there were massive changes compared to 5.5 but yeah there are themes out for sense6 and there will be a bunch more soon.
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And I'll be honest:
Even if the colors were nice and had good contrast, it still wouldn't work for me. The whole thing: menus, blinkfeed, settings, they're all too /flat/. This may seem weird, but the new TouchWiz has some "texture" to the menus and such.
Also, as an iOS user, I was actually insanely surprised about how similar Samsung's settings and quick toggles are to iOS 7's... But hey. I like it
Here's what I mean:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Some of those icons, shapes, and colors all look quite similar to me.
Not to mention Samsung reverse-engineered iCloud backups so if you switch you can get all your iMessages, texts, call logs, calendar appointments, app data, and other stuff on your S5 XD
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HolyAngel said:
I know my team already has some made and working on more, and I know there are a couple other teams/people making themes for sense 6 too but don't have any links handy. It's taking a little longer as there were massive changes compared to 5.5 but yeah there are themes out for sense6 and there will be a bunch more soon.
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Sounds good, I'm looking forward to trying some of them when theyre out then. Assuming I can unlock the T-Mobile M8 variant that I'll have... hope I can lol.
SolarTrans said:
And I'll be honest:
Even if the colors were nice and had good contrast, it still wouldn't work for me. The whole thing: menus, blinkfeed, settings, they're all too /flat/. This may seem weird, but the new TouchWiz has some "texture" to the menus and such.
Also, as an iOS user, I was actually insanely surprised about how similar Samsung's settings and quick toggles are to iOS 7's... But hey. I like it
Here's what I mean:
Some of those icons, shapes, and colors all look quite similar to me.
Not to mention Samsung reverse-engineered iCloud backups so if you switch you can get all your iMessages, texts, call logs, calendar appointments, app data, and other stuff on your S5 XD
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That does look kindaa similar. But I'm sure there are plenty of valid arguments on both sides... Didnt Windows Phone do the whole flat look in general first?
Meh. I stopped supporting Samsung a while ago for my own reasons, so I have no idea who did what first anymore.
Yeah I don't care who did it first, but I just wanted to emphasize how hard Sammy is trying to get iOS users to switch. They'll get my money, but it'll be used on my "mess around" line. No Android offering can take me away from iOS 100% yet
Edit: Windows phone was the OG flat--more reminds me of Sense than iOS though (very little color, mostly 2-3 tone). iOS is colorful and flatter than it was, but not Sense 6 or WP8 flat.
I had a Lumia 1520 for a while, and hated it for the same reason I did the M7 (OS colors).
On WP, there was nothing you could do to change it
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Guys and gals, let me start off by saying that I am an absolute phone whore. Last year alone, I owned almost every single flagship at one point or another. I've rooted all my phones, have flashed 100's of roms, etc. You can check my posting history, blah, blah. I'm not trying to brag or anything, I just want people to know that I'm not some Android noob.
Anyhow, I am most recently coming from a Nexus 5 and a Note 3 before that. Last year, I owned the HTC One M7 twice. Each time for about a week. The first time is when my gf and I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile. When we didn't get good reception at work, we switched to AT&T and I once again got the M7. We are still on AT&T, but I dumped my M7 after a week on AT&T for the Note 3. Anyhow, here were my issues with the M7 that I see again with the M8:
1. After all the constant "excellent build quality" praise that the M7 and now M8 constantly get, I really just don't see it. Based on materials alone, yes, the M7 and M8 are excellent in materials. In actual build quality, they are both quite poor in my opinion. Both of my M7's from last year had screen fitment issues where they weren't flush with the top and bottom speaker grills. It annoyed the heck out of my OCD self and was one of the few reasons why I returned them both.
My M8 has a very similar issue. On the right side of the phone, the top and bottom speaker grills are raised above the glass. So my finger snags when I'm swiping up or down on the screen. Super annoying and I'm going to exchange it for sure, if I even keep this phone in general.
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I also have this, does anyone else? Is this a fault and should I be sending this back? Only have a day or two left cooling period so need to decide asap.
thanks
i will let go of all the nega on the main OP
however regarding build, we all been there before, a unit or two or even a dozen will never reflect something that is in mass production
products coming from China will forever have a possibility of imperfections, yes even iphones, for that if you are really picky just replace your unit
millions of happy M7 owners will disagree with you there, yes there was a bad batch at launch but it quickly moved on
so why go through this everytime as if its something new, just hand pick or replace your unit and move on
SolarTrans said:
And I'll be honest:
Even if the colors were nice and had good contrast, it still wouldn't work for me. The whole thing: menus, blinkfeed, settings, they're all too /flat/. This may seem weird, but the new TouchWiz has some "texture" to the menus and such.
Also, as an iOS user, I was actually insanely surprised about how similar Samsung's settings and quick toggles are to iOS 7's... But hey. I like it
Here's what I mean:
Some of those icons, shapes, and colors all look quite similar to me.
Not to mention Samsung reverse-engineered iCloud backups so if you switch you can get all your iMessages, texts, call logs, calendar appointments, app data, and other stuff on your S5 XD
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The One with Sense 6.0 has a theme chooser builtin, it makes the theme making VERY easy for XDA folks.
Just pay a visit to the themes section and see how in just 5 days how much themes are made and consider 1000x more in a couple of weeks, INCLUDING colors and icons of your beloved ios 7
Well guys, I returned my M8 today and pre-ordered the S5. While in the AT&T store as I was waiting for them to process my return, I played with the S5 that they had in the store. I'm sold and it's a better fit for me. The M8 got really boring very fast. I guess I'm not a Sense fan.
Oh well, I understand the people who are fans. Good luck all!! :good:
I have had my first hands on the M8 today. Speed aside, I swear I wasn't impressed. The M7 is a legendary phone like the Galaxy S2 was. This M8 is the same as the M7 but taller and the metal is brushed. Now that I have had my hands on the M8 I can honestly say that I prefer the M7 (looks).
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Hi guys, want to buy new phone and looking to get the best for my money, so Its up to M8, G3 and S5. I like M8 and G3 more than S5 but I put it here because they were flagships and it has the best camera and good battery. So would you buy M8 again if you need to buy a phone now, rather than this two, and do you regret buying it? I need to pay about 50e more for M8 from G3, or 30e more from S5, is it worth it? Its important foe me to get stock android M on it, I guess M8 will get it? Thank you.
That's a tricky question to ask on the M8 forum. Obviously, pretty much everyone here owns the M8, and bought it for a reason. You probably won't get many responses in this device forum to the effect of the G3 or S5 being better!
I compared the M8 and S5 side by side before buying (way back in May 2014) and if you haven't done so already, I highly recommend it. The M8 is simply a beautiful piece of industrial engineering, which looks and feels high end in every way. In comparison (of even on its own, for that matter), the S5 is a cheap feeling, plasticky piece of junk. Any notion that the M8 and S5 were at all comparable on paper; quickly dissolved once I compared both devices in person. It simply became no contest.
And while on paper, the chipset specs should be identical, the TouchWiz interface makes the S5 a laggy mess compared to the M8 (and most of Samsung's devices for last year's "generation" suffer for this). You can just Google the S5 lag, and find all sorts of complaints. This was when I compared back on KitKat, so I'm not sure if the S5's lag is any better on Lollipop. But it was outright noticeable and embarrassing when I compared the 2 side by side.
I never checked out the G3 in person. I have never been a fan of the industrial design of the LG phones (just seemed cheap to me), and the reviews led me to conclude the G3 was not worth my consideration. "Better" than past Lg devices, but still just plastic, and to me no comparison to the M8. I've seen a few folks on here that have switched from the G3 to the M8, and would never go back.
NestorC said:
I like M8 and G3 more than S5 but I put it here because they were flagships and it has the best camera and good battery.
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I'm not sure where you are getting the notion that S5 has the "best" camera. That is somewhat subjective. Most folks just look at the paper specs (MP mostly) and say the M8 has a bad camera, without understanding how cameras work.
Anandtech has some really objective and technical phone reviews. Their conclusion was that the S5 has better resolution (obviously) and detail in daylight, but clearly inferior to the M8 in low light (to the point that the S5 pics look just miserable). So its impossible to say the S5 camera is "best" all around, and somewhat depends on how/when you use your camera phone, also.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/2
As for Android M, it looks like HTC "confirmed" it via Twitter for the M8 (as reliable as that may be).
Samsung has yet to confirm M for the S5, as far as I can see from Googling. Nothing seems confirmed for the G3, either.
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That's a tricky question to ask on the M8 forum. Obviously, pretty much everyone here owns the M8, and bought it for a reason. You probably won't get many responses in this device forum to the effect of the G3 or S5 being better!
I compared the M8 and S5 side by side before buying (way back in May 2014) and if you haven't done so already, I highly recommend it. The M8 is simply a beautiful piece of industrial engineering, which looks and feels high end in every way. In comparison (of even on its own, for that matter), the S5 is a cheap feeling, plasticky piece of junk. Any notion that the M8 and S5 were at all comparable on paper; quickly dissolved once I compared both devices in person. It simply became no contest.
And while on paper, the chipset specs should be identical, the TouchWiz interface makes the S5 a laggy mess compared to the M8 (and most of Samsung's devices for last year's "generation" suffer for this). You can just Google the S5 lag, and find all sorts of complaints. This was when I compared back on KitKat, so I'm not sure if the S5's lag is any better on Lollipop. But it was outright noticeable and embarrassing when I compared the 2 side by side.
I never checked out the G3 in person. I have never been a fan of the industrial design of the LG phones (just seemed cheap to me), and the reviews led me to conclude the G3 was not worth my consideration. "Better" than past Lg devices, but still just plastic, and to me no comparison to the M8. I've seen a few folks on here that have switched from the G3 to the M8, and would never go back.
I'm not sure where you are getting the notion that S5 has the "best" camera. That is somewhat subjective. Most folks just look at the paper specs (MP mostly) and say the M8 has a bad camera, without understanding how cameras work.
Anandtech has some really objective and technical phone reviews. Their conclusion was that the S5 has better resolution (obviously) and detail in daylight, but clearly inferior to the M8 in low light (to the point that the S5 pics look just miserable). So its impossible to say the S5 camera is "best" all around, and somewhat depends on how/when you use your camera phone, also.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/2
As for Android M, it looks like HTC "confirmed" it via Twitter for the M8 (as reliable as that may be).
Samsung has yet to confirm M for the S5, as far as I can see from Googling. Nothing seems confirmed for the G3, either.
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I know that, just wanted to hear from the people who own it, use it for some time, thats the real review. I guess no one regret buying it.
Well I like G3 because its affordable (330e) and I get 32GB with 3gb of RAM but as I have seen M8 is still faster. That big screen looks nice in that compact body(same size as M8) like LG UI which is highly customizable. But M8 have that speakers which are something best on Android and I guess little better battery. Metal unibody doesnt mean a lot if I put it in a tpu case, but looks sexy. Is it hard to use power button on the top?
As the best, I was thinking best out of these 3, but M8 dont have that bad camera, watched some reviews and samples, but still in daylight S5 makes better pictures. Still S5 is no more interesting for me, its too ugly and everyone has it, G3 wins it so now its G3 vs M8.
Thanks for response.
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I know that
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You know what??? When someone takes the time to type several paragraphs to answer your (rather vague) question (plus inaccurate statement of "best camera") and you type a vague response of "I know that", it sounds somewhat insulting.
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That big screen looks nice in that compact body(same size as M8) like LG UI which is highly customizable. But M8 have that speakers which are something best on Android and I guess little better battery. Metal unibody doesnt mean a lot if I put it in a tpu case, but looks sexy. Is it hard to use power button on the top?
As the best, I was thinking best out of these 3, but M8 dont have that bad camera, watched some reviews and samples, but still in daylight S5 makes better pictures. Still S5 is no more interesting for me, its too ugly and everyone has it, G3 wins it so now its G3 vs M8.
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Top power button is fine. I don't actually understand folks that find its an issue. Power button on the back (G3) seems awkward to me, if not outright strange. Maybe its something you get used to, if you own it. But I also think that friends and family members not used to your phone will be puzzled by the power button location.
The screen on the G3 is supposed to be nice. But yes, the stereo front spacing speakers on the M8 are just wonderful. Its something that should have been on smartphones for years. In my opinion, a back speaker is simply horrible design. They are just trying t save space on the front (not that great a reason) while putting the speaker in the worst possible location.
A lot of what you are talking about at this point (screen size, using a TPU case) is personal preference and individual usage patterns. So I mostly think you just need to decide for yourself.
As far as regrets, as I mentioned, I've seen some folks on here that regretted the G3, and moved on to the M8. Maybe if you look in the G3 forum, you can find some folks that did the opposite. But I somewhat doubt it. Personally, I feel the M8 is the best phone of its generation (2014). If I broke or lost mine even now, there is a good chance I would just replace it with another M8.
Not sure if modding is a concern of yours. But this is XDA after all, and the M8 has a great community. A bit more quiet as folks have moved to the M9. But still pretty robust.
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You know what??? When someone takes the time to type several paragraphs to answer your (rather vague) question (plus inaccurate statement of "best camera") and you type a vague response of "I know that", it sounds somewhat insulting.
Top power button is fine. I don't actually understand folks that find its an issue. Power button on the back (G3) seems awkward to me, if not outright strange. Maybe its something you get used to, if you own it. But I also think that friends and family members not used to your phone will be puzzled by the power button location.
The screen on the G3 is supposed to be nice. But yes, the stereo front spacing speakers on the M8 are just wonderful. Its something that should have been on smartphones for years. In my opinion, a back speaker is simply horrible design. They are just trying t save space on the front (not that great a reason) while putting the speaker in the worst possible location.
A lot of what you are talking about at this point (screen size, using a TPU case) is personal preference and individual usage patterns. So I mostly think you just need to decide for yourself.
As far as regrets, as I mentioned, I've seen some folks on here that regretted the G3, and moved on to the M8. Maybe if you look in the G3 forum, you can find some folks that did the opposite. But I somewhat doubt it. Personally, I feel the M8 is the best phone of its generation (2014). If I broke or lost mine even now, there is a good chance I would just replace it with another M8.
Not sure if modding is a concern of yours. But this is XDA after all, and the M8 has a great community. A bit more quiet as folks have moved to the M9. But still pretty robust.
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Sorry, not so good with english, I meant I know about this you said "That's a tricky question to ask on the M8 forum. Obviously, pretty much everyone here owns the M8, and bought it for a reason. You probably won't get many responses in this device forum to the effect of the G3 or S5 being better!"
Still, thank you for your time and help, dont be angry on me, I didnt want to hurt your feelings
It looks like M8 is better buy, will see to get one if I can find it, its little harder here, now is M8s popular.
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Sorry, not so good with english
Still, thank you for your time and help, dont be angry on me, I didnt want to hurt your feelings
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No worries. I'll let it go this time.