Hi I would ask this in the developer forum but i can't post there yet so I'm stuck here...I was wondering if it would be possible to get webos on the kindle fire 2nd gen I know its not the popular but I think webos would be a great addition to the list of os's we could run...Thanks for reading this.
Wow, never heard of it, had to look it up... Well if its open source it might be possible, but it doesn't look like its using a android base, only a Linux base from what I read. And yes I know android is Linux based but there's some stuff that's compiled a certain way for android Linux. Like the fact we use a android arm compiler and such and some android options in the kernel defconfig. I don't have time to look into it myself, I already am trying to debug Firefox OS, which from what I heard may be similar to webOS in the sense I think both are HTML driven. I have a port running on the 7" HD, shouldn't take much doing to compile a build for the other models as well, I just haven't gotten around to it. I might take a look at webOS's source code just to see what kinda porting process it has but from what I read its more of an os used on TV's than phones at the moment. Then again that was wiki.
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I forgot about Firefox os I think it would be awesome to have it running I could try and help you port it if you wouldn't mind guiding me a little in the beginning. I will also see about porting web os myself but it could take along time.
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My Firefox port is pretty much ready to compile for the other kindles theoretically, I just might have to adjust some selinux properties like I did on the 7" that overlapped with ones set by hashcode. I was just holding off on building it for the other devices because of numerous bugs I've been trying to fix but I don't know c++ and I haven't had any devs volunteer. I might run a build off sometime this week I'll let you test since I don't have the device. I might have to clear my Firefox os source code directory out soon to make room for a project I'm trying to do on a old pos phone that has hardly any support. Long story short I'm cheap, have no micro-sdcard's handy, and can't flash any ROMs on it from cwm without a sdcard so I said why not compile twrp... Then I found out that I couldn't find any of the device tree published for the cm 10.1 build... But yea maybe I'll build a test build and see if it works, more than likely though I'm assuming video playback will be broken. If you know any c++ and want to help with porting I have the source code published on my github with some instructions, just look at my thread in the 7" dev section. Not sure if I committed the gralloc fix changes yet to the repo so it switches out of shmem.
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I don't know any c++ but within the next few months I'll hopefully be getting into college for c++ and java and I do plan on learning a little before then so hopefully with enough work we could get Firefox os running just as good as android on these tablets
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Sweet, I should try signing up again this year and see if I can get in myself. Had issues in the past because I don't have an SAT on record due to some unfortunate circumstances.
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im going to my community college and i'll be able to take the SAT placement test there that might be something you could look into i dont know how community colleges to it other states or cities but where i live thats an option
I assume we can take SAT's here at the colleges but I graduated highschool about 3 years ago so I need some prepping.
Well good news is I updated some of the setup so now I can begin a port for kf2, bad news is I am missing something from my manifest I assume, and so I keep getting a nice "no rule to make target" error, I have a theory as to what I'm missing but I'm not positive.
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Awesome I can't wait until Firefox is on here and due to some health issues ( flu like cold ) I havent touched my computer in a few days I should get back to working on stuff today of tomorrow tho
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I am a big android fan and can accomplish most of what people report they can accomplish with their phones provided they can post a decent how-to, but this is my second semester in college for computer science and i am starting to get a base of understanding and i want to start to be more active in the community so now that you know that i know NOTHING but can flash roms and such i want to get the ATT Note, it will be subsidized and under warranty and the size doesnt bother me BUT coming from the atrix i am frustrated that it seems everybody has EVERYTHING before i had it, so i would love to get the Nexus to ensure being up to date, Can you nexus people tell me if it is imperative for me to be a nexus owner to learn the workings of my green robot or am chasing the best gear without yet being able to utilize any of it yet. I presume you all enjoy the nexus and this forum will be a bit biased but really my question is, if i am not a real developer but a tinker will the nexus be a help or should i just get hardware i enjoy and hope the developer community will be strong for that model? Thanks for reading such a long post and for your thoughtful replies
If you are interested in Android why are you worried about devices? Android OS is the same on all, like Gingerbread, ICS etc. I don't know why you are concerned about what device to choose. Sorry if I am misunderstanding your question.
well, that is part of the question, should i care so much about the device?
i am asking in the nexus forum because if the device mattered then the nexus i presume would be the one to get, i just didnt know if things were at all simpler on the nexus,
the droid razr maxx now has a developer edition with an unlocked bootloader, so apparently there is a razr that is exactly the same as another razr except it is better developing on so i guess not all phones are the same that run android.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/29/motorola-announces-razr-developer-edition-with-unlocked-bootload/
I have a used/rooted HTC Evo i'd happily sell you, if you simply need a wifi capable android device to code on
im looking to buy a new phone and wonder if i should consider the nexus to be the best phone to buy and be able to learn on or if any phone that has an unlocked bootloader will suffice, i have an unlocked atrix which does fine but i want some new tech!
Am I understanding you correctly, you want to know which phone you should get because you want to start developing apps for Android?
If this is the case then the Nexus might be a better choice than the Note as it's sort of a reference device, and a lot of the phones coming out will have the same sort of features. With the Note you'd be testing your apps on a really large screen and you might find later on that they don't work as well on other devices.
I'm no expert or anything, I could be completely wrong!
this is exactly the type of thing im looking to hear, i think my preference is the note but if the community in general feels similar to this i think i will get the nex
Bump? I'm so curious on your thoughts xda
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You can program and test with your Aitrix too. Honestly, you don't need a Galaxy Nexus or any Nexus device to do any Android app. development. If you really get into development, you might want one, so you can test your apps on Ice Cream Sandwich.
If you're in a hurry to get your hands dirty, might as well learn using the latest API, and as such there are only 2 devices with officially released ICS, the galaxy nexus and the nexus s. Sure, some devices have unofficial ports and leaks, but if you encounter a problem, you can't be too sure if it's the OS's fault or the app. Also, it would probably be a good idea to hold on to your Atrix, so you can test your app with gingerbread as well.
Well there are various points to consider...
Obviously it's useful to have a phone the can run ICS to develop with the newest API. But as almost nobody has ICS on the phone, for now it might be more interesting to test with an android version people really have in masses. Then again, this is nothing nexus specific.
The support of the galaxy nexus from the android open source project (AOSP) is the main feature of the google nexus phone. But for software development this only really gets interesting if you start to move from developing normal applications that everyone (without root) can install from the market to working on custom ROMs that have code changes in the core (google) android code. Or if you need debugging tools not available on normal end-user builds (engineering builds seem to have lots of more development features, debug symbols for native (JNI) libraries, etc).
If you just start out coding it's likely that you don't really end up doing that very soon (but i know someone who started working on really low-level x86 assembly just after learning to code, so YMMV).
And then again many of these features will be available also if CyanogenMod is available on the phone you're using (as they make the AOSP code work somehow on their devices).
And you should look at the hardware features too: e.g. Galaxy Nexus: NFC; Note: drawing tablet style digitizer.
I think there's no simple and fast answer, and i'm doing any really low-level android work to really know what's needed.
It really depends on what you intend to do and how much you can work around various roadblocks on the way.
Mozilla is set to announce b2g "boot to gecko" next week at MWC.
It's a mashup of ChromeOS and webOS for phones and tablets. It builds on Android linux userland to provide gonk as an interface for gecko.
The net result is that the entire phone is implemented via HTML5. Even telephony, etc is done through HTML5 applications.
It's all open source (more open than the Google flavor) and there seems to be code available to make builds for the Galaxy S2 and Crespo. I don't know enough about Android to know where to put Nexus files where they would need to go.
Please note, the "Toro" device in the B2G repository is NOT the Galaxy Nexus. They're using a reference device that is called the "toro maguro" (yes, even more confusing).
Anyway, it would help Mozilla to have more users/testers/hackers and I think it has a lot of potential.
I'm a proficient programmer, I just don't know a lot about embedded linux or android builds themselves. I would be interested in bountying up if someone was interested in doing this or if they were interested in telling me how I could go about it.
Sounds interesting. I like my Android though, however if they do provide us with a build I would be interested in at least giving it a chance.
We'll see in 5 days!
Anyone interested in porting now?
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/27/2827682/mozillas-boot-to-gecko-hands-on-demo
.....it actually looks surprisingly cool
Its been already ported to the sg2
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yeah xda mod pulsar_g2 did it for the sgs2
Interesting... But I don't get the point still...
That seems interesting.....however if its purely online, it will require a huge data plan, stable and speed internet connection, right? What are the advantages of building an entirely online OS?
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I know it's been ported to the SGS II. It's not much to port since it uses Android's linux to boot up into gonk/gecko. However, it's beyond me to actually figure out exactly what bits go where.
Also, The Verge was wrong earlier. There are already plenty of HTML5 APIs for apps to work "offline" just like in Android.
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Mozilla is set to announce b2g "boot to gecko" next week at MWC.
It's a mashup of ChromeOS and webOS for phones and tablets. It builds on Android linux userland to provide gonk as an interface for gecko.
The net result is that the entire phone is implemented via HTML5. Even telephony, etc is done through HTML5 applications.
It's all open source (more open than the Google flavor) and there seems to be code available to make builds for the Galaxy S2 and Crespo. I don't know enough about Android to know where to put Nexus files where they would need to go.
Please note, the "Toro" device in the B2G repository is NOT the Galaxy Nexus. They're using a reference device that is called the "toro maguro" (yes, even more confusing).
Anyway, it would help Mozilla to have more users/testers/hackers and I think it has a lot of potential.
I'm a proficient programmer, I just don't know a lot about embedded linux or android builds themselves. I would be interested in bountying up if someone was interested in doing this or if they were interested in telling me how I could go about it.
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dude "toro maguro" just means both the cdma and gsm flavors of the gnex. i believe toro is the cdma version and maguro is the gsm one if i remember correctly
It looks laggy on Engadget. Stupid HTML5.
Is it laying on top of gingerbread or ice cream sandwich?
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Is it laying on top of gingerbread or ice cream sandwich?
Its not 'laying' on anything. It is a whole operating system.
Its coded out of HTML 5 so anyone with basic knowledge could start to make changes to the os. It will also be completely truly open source.
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But this is coming to the VZW G-Nex Right?
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But this is coming to the VZW G-Nex Right?
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Not at the moment, I'm begging someone to port it. But it's not even porting, it ought to just be throwing the AOSP Galaxy Nexus /system bits and kernel into the existing B2G structure.
b2g's userland linux is called "gonk" but it's 99% android right now.
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dude "toro maguro" just means both the cdma and gsm flavors of the gnex. i believe toro is the cdma version and maguro is the gsm one if i remember correctly
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No, The "Toro Maguro" is the name of their internal device they're deving on. It is not the Galaxy Nexus. I'm well aware that the CDMA Nexus is called Toro and the GSM is called Tuna/Maguro.
It's almost like I said that the first time for a reason...
I've been so excited to see this get off the ground when I first saw the Verge article of it. I'm actually thinking that this would encourage me to make a flashable ROM for the first time, especially that I've seen B2G's huuuge potential. A lightweight, flexible OS that could be modified and themed EXACTLY to how I want it, and available on virtually any android device with an unlocked bootloader. Such amazing possibilities await!
Lets hope for some ports real real soon!
I want to start porting QNX for the kindle. I love the swiping gestures like webOS.
I have the build of qnx for the TI OMAP 4430 (which the kindle has) and i have the 6.3 update zip from Amazon. Im not really sure exactly what im doing so if i could get help. I believe this is very possible.
Lets Do It!
QNX as Blackberry's Tablet OS?
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LOL!
I'm posting this from my PlayBook
If you want TabletOS, you should just buy a Playbook; at the same price as the KFire, and you can buy my Tablet TV app
I don't think you could get QNX onto the Fire. RIM has the PlayBook pretty well locked down.
PS - QNX isn't technically the same thing as TabletOS. TabletOS is QNX, but not all QNX systems are RIM tablets.
Technically you could port qnx to the fire, but only if you were a rim engineer... qnx is closed source and without them I see the port a mission impossible....
What do you mean by you have the "build" of QNX? Because QNX is closed-source I am trying to figure out what you meant by the "build", if you have the source and it's possible, if all you have is the device that runs QNX, not possible!
QNX Wiki
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What do you mean by you have the "build" of QNX? Because QNX is closed-source I am trying to figure out what you meant by the "build", if you have the source and it's possible, if all you have is the device that runs QNX, not possible!
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I just took a quick look online and it appears that QNX is/was open source. It was a Canadian company that was bought out by RIM. But, when RIM bought them they removed most of the code from the open source world, however there is still an online community that has some builds, including one for the TI 4430 chip. Checkout QNX Wiki. It seems like this could be entirely possible. I'm no developer, but hopefully this is a step in the direction you are thinking. Thanks for innovating.
I don't know much about this QNX but as for the CM7/CM9 Rom that we are having, JackPot did a binary port, meaning that the only way to get a rom is to port it from a similar device, which is why we still don't have HoneyComb running on our Kindle Fire. But I'm not entirely sure until I see the "build" that we are having! But even if that is possible we're gonna' need an expert on this, which is in someway impossible since all the great devs are focusing on Kernel 3.0 and make ICS flawless!
But you could try porting WebOS because now it's open-source .
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Well i have the zip file with qnx's BSP for kindle Fire's TI OMAP 4430. And yes your right all the good devs are working on ICS. In the future maybe. And WebOS source I know is available but i think im gonna leave the dev work to the pros. Im not even out of high school so i dont know much but am willing to learn and am very interested in supporting all the devs that work hard to enhance our products.
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Well i have the zip file with qnx's BSP for kindle Fire's TI OMAP 4430. And yes your right all the good devs are working on ICS. In the future maybe. And WebOS source I know is available but i think im gonna leave the dev work to the pros. Im not even out of high school so i dont know much but am willing to learn and am very interested in supporting all the devs that work hard to enhance our products.
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No offense so don't get me wrong but why would you want QNX on Kindle Fire, we have CM7,CM9 and AOKP, what does QNX have that is better than Android?
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No offense so don't get me wrong but why would you want QNX on Kindle Fire, we have CM7,CM9 and AOKP, what does QNX have that is better than Android?
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Its not about wwhat does what best. Its about choice, diversity and the freedom to say, **** it. I wanna run blackberry on my kindle.
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Its not about wwhat does what best. Its about choice, diversity and the freedom to say, **** it. I wanna run blackberry on my kindle.
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Yup, that's what open-sourced Android is all about, but it's not a disaster if we can't do this somehow!
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If RIM goes under, you may get your wish. HP went under and the result was that WEBOS was open-sourced.
So in was browsing the web to add to the ACHD server pool and came across some dedicated server listings. As some people know CPU ram and such are needed to compile android. I was wondering anyone is interested in helping me to secure a server that can be used for devs uses that include but not limited to compiling, building and hosting ROMs?
While I host stats servers' hosting for download and dev sharing vps I haven't thought of ordering a dedicated one for this purpose until someone brought it up to me awhile ago and I found something that might be possible.
Wouldn't help any of these devs on this forum and possibly others to help development? If several would like it. I would organize a way to get it month to month, organize scheduling and setting up what I can for hosting as much as possible as bandwidth is cheap now.
So what is everyone's ideas on this? A dedicated servers that devs just have to apply to use and then use it for whatever uses it can handle... Of course related to android and their device specifically.?
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I believe they already have this.
But is it really important? On my machine (which, is a gaming PC - 8 core 4.2ghz, 16Gb RAM), I could compile this and still work on other tasks. I'd have to imagine most developers have a custom built or a higher-end market PC.
Or am I missing something?
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I believe they already have this.
But is it really important? On my machine (which, is a gaming PC - 8 core 4.2ghz, 16Gb RAM), I could compile this and still work on other tasks. I'd have to imagine most developers have a custom built or a higher-end market PC.
Or am I missing something?
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Several have talked to me about it. But i believe it is mainly for building and content delivery in the same package. If i thought i needed to add it to the server pool i would have done so instead of just posting about it.
Also most developers don't have a custom rig even close to that. How do i know? i interact with them and host many devs stuff and they reached out to me with interest about something like this for awhile.
A rig like that is just to costly for most to have. While i do have a rig similar. Except twice the ram. (Faster than hdd anyday) i can confidently say its not as common as one would think.
Their main reasons for interest is the gbit port for downloading all resources, then any updates faster and able to start compiling right away and then be ready to deliver right away.
My only suggestions and offerings come from a devs interest when they ask me to host something or about the feasibility ability about something for them. So what it looks like to me os that not everyone has access to compile and host right away.
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Cross posting this from another thread I made. For those of you, who now have Root, I am wondering if any of you would be interested in installing a Linux Distribution alongside your Android OS...well Fire OS. I have tested this on 4 devices so far, one being the Amazon HD 8.9. Since the HD 10 just got root, I am interested to see how a Linux OS would work on Fire OS, if at all. This would be a fully operational installation of a Linux distribution that runs alongside of Android.
If you're concerned about bricking your tablet, don't worry, this is very, very low risk, and pretty much impossible to brick your device. It will either work, or it won't. It's that simple. Note you need at least 4GB free space of internal storage, or if you have an sdcard slot, you can partition part of it to install a Linux distribution (that will be part two of my guide). I believe this will be a success on these tablets because I've tested it on three vastly different Samsung devices, with success on all of them. Samsung customizes (butchers) the framework in much of the same fashion as Amazon. If it works on the Kindle 8.9, it should work equally as good, maybe even better on the HD 10.
Please see my long, but detailed XDA guide.
Got it working but, its not proper. App Image runner ontop of the OG OS.
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Got it working but, its not proper. App Image runner ontop of the OG OS.
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I'm not sure what you mean?
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I'm not sure what you mean?
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Its like running a VM. Is there a way to get a full install instead?
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Its like running a VM. Is there a way to get a full install instead?
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This is a 'full install.' you need the VNC if you want a graphical interface. You can also use a ssh client, but I haven't been able to figure that out yet.
If you want to replace android with Linux, it just isn't possible anymore. For now, this is about as good as you are going to get. I'm almost done with the second Guide. Perhaps that's more what you mean.
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This is a 'full install.' you need the VNC if you want a graphical interface. You can also use a ssh client, but I haven't been able to figure that out yet.
If you want to replace android with Linux, it just isn't possible anymore. For now, this is about as good as you are going to get. I'm almost done with the second Guide. Perhaps that's more what you mean.
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Its a Virtual Machine running on top of android. So your stuck with the available resources from the primary OS (android).
Its better than nothing since this device is basically dead on this Forum.
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Its a Virtual Machine running on top of android. So your stuck with the available resources from the primary OS (android).
Its better than nothing since this device is basically dead on this Forum.
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Not true. You can download apps and what not. You can do just about the same things as you could in a desktop with Linux. You have git, gcc, etc. But at the moment l, unless you have a Nexus, this is the best there is. The virtual aspect is unavoidable.
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Not true. You can download apps and what not. You can do just about the same things as you could in a desktop with Linux. You have git, gcc, etc. But at the moment l, unless you have a Nexus, this is the best there is. The virtual aspect is unavoidable.
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You can do all that in a virtual machine. What he's saying is, since it's a vm, you only get access to system resources not in use by the host operating system. No complaints. Again, it's better than nothing if that kind of thing is what you're looking for.
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You can do all that in a virtual machine. What he's saying is, since it's a vm, you only get access to system resources not in use by the host operating system. No complaints. Again, it's better than nothing if that kind of thing is what you're looking for.
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Right. But you can interact with those resources. This has always been the only mass way to install Linux. There used to be a way, but I couldn't replicate it. Keep an eye on Ubuntu though.
I'm interested but will it run native or chroot?
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I'm interested but will it run native or chroot?
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Supposed to be both, but have only been able to get chroot going.
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I think native might require BL unlock but I'm not even close to an expert I will say that it whould be cool to port a ChromeOS varient chromium or cloudready even
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I think native might require BL unlock but I'm not even close to an expert I will say that it whould be cool to port a ChromeOS varient chromium or cloudready even
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I think, though I'll have to look, I had a Gentoo Android installation. I never tried it and not sure if I still have it. Supposedly it just needs installing into /data. I'll look for it and a link and post my findings a little later.
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I think native might require BL unlock but I'm not even close to an expert I will say that it whould be cool to port a ChromeOS varient chromium or cloudready even
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Not close to expert on Android on ARM myself, although I used to dumpster dive for 386 PCs when I discovered linux and 486s we're just coming out, and I was "stuck" with a 68k Mac. Bought the first bootable Linux CD back in the 90s (Debian), got Linux running on a DEC Alpha soon after, so I've been around the block. I don't see any reason at all to get linux on a Fire except as an academic challenge. ChromiumOS (and ChromeOS) are crippled Linux. Period. CloudReady is just Chrome tweaked for old x86 PCs. Linux itself would just give you some extra developer tools, maybe. Perhaps a pro might secretly do penetration testing with a Kindle that way, but it would be like trying to fish with firecrackers. Might as well get a RPi. Is there a particular app you want to run? I can see trying to break from Amazon's walled garden with an alt Android, but anything else and you might as well write your own OS. That's about the level of challenge you're talking about. Dragonfire1024- am I right? I don't mean to be harsh, just realistic. Personally, I'd rather spend time on development boards like the Pi, than reverse engineer a Fire to that extent.
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Not close to expert on Android on ARM myself, although I used to dumpster dive for 386 PCs when I discovered linux and 486s we're just coming out, and I was "stuck" with a 68k Mac. Bought the first bootable Linux CD back in the 90s (Debian), got Linux running on a DEC Alpha soon after, so I've been around the block. I don't see any reason at all to get linux on a Fire except as an academic challenge. ChromiumOS (and ChromeOS) are crippled Linux. Period. CloudReady is just Chrome tweaked for old x86 PCs. Linux itself would just give you some extra developer tools, maybe. Perhaps a pro might secretly do penetration testing with a Kindle that way, but it would be like trying to fish with firecrackers. Might as well get a RPi. Is there a particular app you want to run? I can see trying to break from Amazon's walled garden with an alt Android, but anything else and you might as well write your own OS. That's about the level of challenge you're talking about. Dragonfire1024- am I right? I don't mean to be harsh, just realistic. Personally, I'd rather spend time on development boards like the Pi, than reverse engineer a Fire to that extent.
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To each their own I guess. My goal is to at some point get nethunter to work in a better capacity than this guide. There's a lot more you can do with parts of Linux. For example, attempt to root other devices, build parts of or whole ROMs, etc.
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Has there been any progress on this? I'm looking to use this as digital signage where there isn't space in a wall box for a RPi or similar SBC.
sorry for posting this question here but it I've tried to find a better place and failed...what's the best option(s) for this thing if it hasn't been rooted already? I'm ready to just sell it and move on if I can't do something other than what Amazon intended.
Ubuntu touch on fire hd 8
I would love to put Ubuntu touch on my 8" fire has this been done and can I use ubports to do it and what works??