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Windows Mobile 7 on Samsung Galaxy SII T-989

Who dares?
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.

Would be cool to dual boot like the HD2 days. But TBH Sui, we barely have any devs for anroid let alone start a whole new can of worms with WP7. Like the idea though.... +1

Wp7 doesn't support multiple cores.
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Kailkti said:
Wp7 doesn't support multiple cores.
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Except for, you know, the already released dual-core WP7 phones.

Good Point Kallkti, but soon it will. I was at a mircosoft event and we will see an update in a few months to support it. In theory couldnt we just use one core like ....idk the original froyo/GB code, and keep the second core sleeping. I never wrote kernel code im only asking

lol we dont even have a working CM7 or Miui...yet you want this?! i dont think it'll ever happen

GS2 doesn't meet hardware requirements for 6 hardware buttons and who knows what else, but seems to me if someone wants a WM7 phone, you get one.
Another thought - get an HTC HD2 - ROMs available for WM 6.5, 7 and just about every flavor of android available. A little slow (1 GHz) but satisfies all other requests.

I think it'd be awesome, been thinking about this myself. Probably damn difficult if not impossible to do at this point.
My girlfriend has a Samsung focus and it's pretty sweet. I find myself getting jealous over her phone at times especially with the zune pass lol.
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Sui Generis said:
Who dares?
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
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Why would you ruin a perfectly good phone and turn it into an unstable brick?

The question is not who dares. But why? Lol
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They have not released any dual core wp7 phones.

Windows Phone 7 will never work unless Microsoft makes it open source. The Hd2 was lucky only because the Hd7 has the same exact internals and even that phone doesn't run Windows flawlessly.
Its like trying to put iOS or RIM's software on the GSII. It will never work and if you are lucky to get it to boot it will be extremely buggy!!!!
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I just don't understand why you would want that OS on such an amazing piece of hardware. WM7 in my opinion is just too limited in the things you can do, hence the reason why people including myself rid of 6.5 from their HD2's.

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Except for, you know, the already released dual-core WP7 phones.
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What windowsphone7 phones have you seen with dual cores? Even the top of the line phones are single core be ause the OS doesn't support it yet.
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wp7 runs extremely smooth and looks very nice. i don't know why this phone has no cool stuff, we have a bunch of competent developers, even cyanogen is working on this phone. i'm hoping that in the next 3 months development will explode for this phone.

like stated before if we can't even get a stable version of cm7 or miui we are deff not getting this here....... lol

If it's looks you want there might be a launcher theme out there you could try
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Sui Generis said:
Who dares?
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
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i still have my hd2. its cool as hell but i never used wm6-7. why because it sucks-hard. why would you want that? Oh if you like wm and like your phone, download a wm7 launcher. i think thats going to be the most development youll see.

Charlie Brown said:
The question is not who dares. But why? Lol
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Windows Phone 7.5 is a better OS than Android. Does it have as much developer support? No. But speaking strictly of the OS itself, it's much more efficient, handles battery life much better, is smoother out of the box. It just needs more love from software developers.
That said, what the OP is suggesting is never going to happen. Least of all on the Hercules/T989

OriginalMemnock said:
Windows Phone 7.5 is a better OS than Android. Does it have as much developer support? No. But speaking strictly of the OS itself, it's much more efficient, handles battery life much better, is smoother out of the box. It just needs more love from software developers.
That said, what the OP is suggesting is never going to happen. Least of all on the Hercules/T989
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Ya saying Windows phone anything is better than android is just straight up garbage sorry. If that was the case it wouldn't have 1% marketshare while the richest company in the world is marketing and pushing it.
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Do I need a Nexus to learn to program?

I am a big android fan and can accomplish most of what people report they can accomplish with their phones provided they can post a decent how-to, but this is my second semester in college for computer science and i am starting to get a base of understanding and i want to start to be more active in the community so now that you know that i know NOTHING but can flash roms and such i want to get the ATT Note, it will be subsidized and under warranty and the size doesnt bother me BUT coming from the atrix i am frustrated that it seems everybody has EVERYTHING before i had it, so i would love to get the Nexus to ensure being up to date, Can you nexus people tell me if it is imperative for me to be a nexus owner to learn the workings of my green robot or am chasing the best gear without yet being able to utilize any of it yet. I presume you all enjoy the nexus and this forum will be a bit biased but really my question is, if i am not a real developer but a tinker will the nexus be a help or should i just get hardware i enjoy and hope the developer community will be strong for that model? Thanks for reading such a long post and for your thoughtful replies

If you are interested in Android why are you worried about devices? Android OS is the same on all, like Gingerbread, ICS etc. I don't know why you are concerned about what device to choose. Sorry if I am misunderstanding your question.

well, that is part of the question, should i care so much about the device?
i am asking in the nexus forum because if the device mattered then the nexus i presume would be the one to get, i just didnt know if things were at all simpler on the nexus,
the droid razr maxx now has a developer edition with an unlocked bootloader, so apparently there is a razr that is exactly the same as another razr except it is better developing on so i guess not all phones are the same that run android.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/29/motorola-announces-razr-developer-edition-with-unlocked-bootload/

I have a used/rooted HTC Evo i'd happily sell you, if you simply need a wifi capable android device to code on

im looking to buy a new phone and wonder if i should consider the nexus to be the best phone to buy and be able to learn on or if any phone that has an unlocked bootloader will suffice, i have an unlocked atrix which does fine but i want some new tech!

Am I understanding you correctly, you want to know which phone you should get because you want to start developing apps for Android?
If this is the case then the Nexus might be a better choice than the Note as it's sort of a reference device, and a lot of the phones coming out will have the same sort of features. With the Note you'd be testing your apps on a really large screen and you might find later on that they don't work as well on other devices.
I'm no expert or anything, I could be completely wrong!

this is exactly the type of thing im looking to hear, i think my preference is the note but if the community in general feels similar to this i think i will get the nex

Bump? I'm so curious on your thoughts xda
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You can program and test with your Aitrix too. Honestly, you don't need a Galaxy Nexus or any Nexus device to do any Android app. development. If you really get into development, you might want one, so you can test your apps on Ice Cream Sandwich.

If you're in a hurry to get your hands dirty, might as well learn using the latest API, and as such there are only 2 devices with officially released ICS, the galaxy nexus and the nexus s. Sure, some devices have unofficial ports and leaks, but if you encounter a problem, you can't be too sure if it's the OS's fault or the app. Also, it would probably be a good idea to hold on to your Atrix, so you can test your app with gingerbread as well.

Well there are various points to consider...
Obviously it's useful to have a phone the can run ICS to develop with the newest API. But as almost nobody has ICS on the phone, for now it might be more interesting to test with an android version people really have in masses. Then again, this is nothing nexus specific.
The support of the galaxy nexus from the android open source project (AOSP) is the main feature of the google nexus phone. But for software development this only really gets interesting if you start to move from developing normal applications that everyone (without root) can install from the market to working on custom ROMs that have code changes in the core (google) android code. Or if you need debugging tools not available on normal end-user builds (engineering builds seem to have lots of more development features, debug symbols for native (JNI) libraries, etc).
If you just start out coding it's likely that you don't really end up doing that very soon (but i know someone who started working on really low-level x86 assembly just after learning to code, so YMMV).
And then again many of these features will be available also if CyanogenMod is available on the phone you're using (as they make the AOSP code work somehow on their devices).
And you should look at the hardware features too: e.g. Galaxy Nexus: NFC; Note: drawing tablet style digitizer.
I think there's no simple and fast answer, and i'm doing any really low-level android work to really know what's needed.
It really depends on what you intend to do and how much you can work around various roadblocks on the way.

An news on 4.0.4 upgrade for gsm

Multi touch bug ftl and slow multitasking.
Was really hoping Google would solve these problems earler
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hurricurry said:
Multi touch bug ftl and slow multitasking.
Was really hoping Google would solve these problems earler
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Multi touch bug is a complete killer. Really can't wait for 4.0.4 AOSP hopefully soon

The news is that not everyone is on 4.0.2 yet. If you can't wait then grab a custom rom, otherwise a whole lot of patience may be necessary.

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The news is that not everyone is on 4.0.2 yet. If you can't wait then grab a custom rom, otherwise a whole lot of patience may be necessary.
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Totally true.
Google is not really considering Galaxy Nexus a Nexus device it seems. Some other systems have gotten newer version of Android already.
At least my Galaxy Nexus runs bloatware-free official Android, even if the build is totally outdated by now. The only real benefit of having a Galaxy Nexus it seems.

Well, I actually don't think it is all that bad. The oldest ISC version out there is still only around 3 months old and better than 99% of Android's entire installation base.
The fact that a few manufacturers jumped on AOSP so soon is great and I'm happy for those users. I don't see the need to be 'first' and it doesn't sour my experience any. Google obviously thought the GN would re-fork with 4.0.3 by now but sometimes bugs get in the way of developer's best intentions.

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Well, I actually don't think it is all that bad. The oldest ISC version out there is still only around 3 months old and better than 99% of Android's entire installation base.
The fact that a few manufacturers jumped on AOSP so soon is great and I'm happy for those users. I don't see the need to be 'first' and it doesn't sour my experience any. Google obviously thought the GN would re-fork with 4.0.3 by now but sometimes bugs get in the way of developer's best intentions.
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Well yeah, but the things that annoy me are the bugs that are present in 4.0.2 and have been fixed in 4.0.4. And not only that, but also the API features of 4.0.3+ that was supposed to be the 'base' version of Android 4.0.
I don't mind how long major releases would take, but this is a small incremental update. I am just surprised that it takes so long to serve it to 'Google phone'.

kristovaher said:
Totally true.
Google is not really considering Galaxy Nexus a Nexus device it seems. Some other systems have gotten newer version of Android already.
At least my Galaxy Nexus runs bloatware-free official Android, even if the build is totally outdated by now. The only real benefit of having a Galaxy Nexus it seems.
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Newer versions such as what? The latest aosp is 4.0.3 and not 4.0.4. It's quite obvious that 4.0.4 is not ready.
The Galaxy nexus is a Google supported device and is a nexus.
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Well, if you look from it from the other side. Google might actually spare us from the still-bugged 4.0.3 version wich is AOSP. Also, JBQ already confirmed that the 4.0.4 version contained a "nasty bug" and wasn't ready for release.
If you look at it that way, new devices with 4.0.3 is still bugged in a way. And Google wants to keep those versions away from their current Nexus.
Just my way of being patient

Oddly enough, some of the tablets shown at MWC (on 4.0.3) had multi touch issues. This brings in a whole new strand of questions...
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In regards to the latest os .... can anyone tell me what phone has ics update already???? And I've said phone ohh and it has to be released now announced
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hurricurry said:
Multi touch bug ftl and slow multitasking.
Was really hoping Google would solve these problems earler
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I was really hoping people would stop *****ing about OTAs.
Sorry, but you all sound like a bunch of whiney kids. You'll never be satisfied because the OTAs will never be quick enough to satisfy people. Google is not going to give you nightly builds of ICS. So just calm down and wait for it to be finished and pushed out.

martonikaj said:
I was really hoping people would stop *****ing about OTAs.
Sorry, but you all sound like a bunch of whiney kids. You'll never be satisfied because the OTAs will never be quick enough to satisfy people. Google is not going to give you nightly builds of ICS. So just calm down and wait for it to be finished and pushed out.
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You just love calling everyone whiney kids don't you?
People are pissed because we have a Nexus that for the first time, is NOT leading the way in terms of OS version. We are pissed because of the overwhelming silence from Google.
It would take them 15 minutes to post a blog on where things are at.

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You just love calling everyone whiney kids don't you?
People are pissed because we have a Nexus that for the first time, is NOT leading the way in terms of OS version.
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Yes I do. And people deserve to be given some perspective.
What do you mean? ~1% of Android devices have ICS. How is that not leading the way in terms of OS version when we're the only phone with it? Nothing has a higher OS (and don't say "omg the NS has 4.0.3!"). The Galaxy Nexus launched Android 4.
Why are you crying about not having 4.0.3/4.0.4 over 4.0.2. If its not ready, its not ready. That's why we don't have it officially yet. For all you know Google is holding off till 4.0.5, 4.0.6, or 4.1... no one knows.
Like your phone for what it is. You're like a dog chasing his tail when you get something great and always look for the next best thing. You'll spend your entire time with the device wanting more, and you'll never enjoy what you have.
Like I said in the other thread: OTA's will never come fast enough for people. If Google started pushing one every month (regardless of how what it did or didn't include/fix), it still wouldn't be fast enough because people would prefer it was 3 weeks instead, then 2 weeks, then 1 week, then nightlies. And guess what? Google isn't going to do nightly OTAs of ICS (not even close!). If you want nightlies, go build a ROM from CM source and change things for yourself. Or better yet, build straight from AOSP source and fix the bugs yourself. Make a thread for it and let people ***** at you for not fixing them faster.

maybe this is why apple is having better success in the mobile world then google and all the others.
while all i have is an old ipod touch from apple, and have GN and ACER tablet, the fact is that google ANNOUNCED 4.0.3 as THE LASTEST STABLE release, however, even on the official supported hardware i still have 4.0.2
this is why i personally compare android to the old windows mobile system.
on the old windows mobile system, if you wanted to upgrade to the latest, you had to hack the device and upgrade yourself, and even then not all devices could be upgraded to all OSs. when i talk to people about android, i still find mayself telling them that even on the official hardware you need to hack the device to get the official upgrade.
if google and all the open source will learn a little from old mistake they will build a better test environments and stop calling any buggy version an official release, or make sure that all devices be able to get the latest version when it is announced (ipod/iphone 3rd gen can still be updated to ios5 even if it can barely work with it) .
the simple fact is, the android is repeating all of the mistakes that even microsoft with WP7 have learned, and am not showing even the slightest inclinations to make a change to this inadequate system of multiversioning....

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maybe this is why apple is having better success in the mobile world then google and all the others.
while all i have is an old ipod touch from apple, and have GN and ACER tablet, the fact is that google ANNOUNCED 4.0.3 as THE LASTEST STABLE release, however, even on the official supported hardware i still have 4.0.2
this is why i personally compare android to the old windows mobile system.
on the old windows mobile system, if you wanted to upgrade to the latest, you had to hack the device and upgrade yourself, and even then not all devices could be upgraded to all OSs. when i talk to people about android, i still find mayself telling them that even on the official hardware you need to hack the device to get the official upgrade.
if google and all the open source will learn a little from old mistake they will build a better test environments and stop calling any buggy version an official release, or make sure that all devices be able to get the latest version when it is announced (ipod/iphone 3rd gen can still be updated to ios5 even if it can barely work with it) .
the simple fact is, the android is repeating all of the mistakes that even microsoft with WP7 have learned, and am not showing even the slightest inclinations to make a change to this inadequate system of multiversioning....
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I'll tend to agree with most of what you said.... Apple has this down to a T with releasing OS versions. Everyone with the previous 2 versions of the hardware is completely guaranteed to get the update the day that it comes out. Models 3 years ago may or may not get a full update, but they'll at least get a partial update (with some features pulled). You know what you're getting and you know when you're getting it. You'll never be in limbo. When Apple announces a new iOS version, they explicitly say which models will get it. The consistency is good.
WP7 is a bit better analogy of what Android has to strive for IMO. Android covers tons of carriers, devices, etc. but still needs to be able to handle pushing OTAs to everyone in a timely matter. This is a huge logistical hurdle for MS (or Google) to try jump. MS is handling it by putting very strict guidelines on what hardware can be used and what you can/can't do to the software (which is pretty much nothing). This makes the OTA process a 1000 times easier for MS to implement. What it leads to is basically knowing that the OTA update will work on all of these different devices because they're about 90% identical in hardware, and 99% identical in software. The only hurdle for them is pretty much getting carriers to accept the terms of pushing the OTA.
While Google could implement a system like this, it'd be at least a year out. Because in order for this MS-style system to work, Android would have to have specific hardware and software guidelines. The problem being that Android is open source and free, and manufacturers can really do whatever they want. They only have to follow some very relaxed "guidelines" to get GAPPS. Even if Google wanted to push OTAs to all of these phones in their current state they couldn't. Google doesn't hold the code from Samsung, HTC, LG, Huawei, and others because they're each doing it in house. There is no unifying OTA that can be pushed. Ultimately Google has no say in what happens after they certify it for GAPPS support. At that point, its between the manufacturers and carriers what is going to happen.
Google needs to start hitting manufacturers where they can, with GAPPS. Its the only closed-source part of Android and its a really really important one. They need to start forcing UI guidelines and skinning policies that let OTAs flow smoother. On the carrier side, they need to start pushing carriers to allow manufacturers to push them when its ready. Google can only do so much to carriers though. At that point they can threaten, but again its not up to Google what happens with those devices once the licenses go out. Its not a Google sale to the carrier, its a manufacturer sale. Until every phone Google sells is a Nexus, they won't be able to tell carriers what to do. Although the market share is huge for Android, it doesn't have the same unified push to bully carriers like Apple has.
....but I've got a couple other points as well on your post. You're making it sound like the Galaxy Nexus is running 4.0.2, and the rest of devices are running/being sold with 4.0.3 (the "stable" build). This is not the case. Whether its running the most "stable" build or not, the GNex is the most up to date of all Android phones out there right now. And we'll be getting stock 4.0.3 before anyone, and all of those phones being sold from this point w/ 4.0.3 will have skins attached as well.

martonikaj said:
the GNex is the most up to date of all Android phones out there right now. And we'll be getting stock 4.0.3 before anyone
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Why doesn't the Nexus S factor into your argument?

Evangelion01 said:
Why doesn't the Nexus S factor into your argument?
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First off, the Nexus S update has yet to be pushed to everyone. Its still halted because of bugs (and the NS4G doesn't have it officially, either). Second, simply because it's 4.0.3 doesn't mean that it's "better" than 4.0.2 on the Galaxy Nexus. For all intents and purposes, it's the same update... look at the NS4G and NS on Gingerbread. One was on 2.3.5, the other on 2.3.7... doesn't mean one was better than the other, but simply the NS4G needed specific build # because its a different device.
If you're splitting hairs of 4.0.3 vs. 4.0.2 to try and win this argument, it's not going to work.

now here is where we can start the argument... 4.0.3 is better then 4.0.2 if only due to the codex hardware fix.
But that is not the question. The issue is it was officially released as latest stable, however only after official release somehow all of a sudden the official Google phones are full of bugs and it is not good for them. If it is not developed and tested on the official hardware, then why put the official stamp on everything? Where is Google QA? Why buy Google official devices if we cannot even get the minimum we expect from the name? Pay attention, I am not talking about vendor devices, only on official stamped device/software....
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Scottatron said:
You just love calling everyone whiney kids don't you?
People are pissed because we have a Nexus that for the first time, is NOT leading the way in terms of OS version. We are pissed because of the overwhelming silence from Google.
It would take them 15 minutes to post a blog on where things are at.
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+1
Couldn't have put it better myself. Google really needs to pull its **** together and give us some of that 4.0.4 goodness!

Thank god for unlockable bootloaders and XDA devs, huh. Oh, wait......
From my point of view (and mine only) I knew the nexus would have an unlockable boot loader, I knew there would be a root exploit before I even brought the device and I knew the devs here would provide better then Google themselves, that's why I personally, brought the phone. Fortunately you didn't choose HTC. The delays are longer and the devices more secure. What I'm trying to say is, make the most the the nexus and this community and get a custom ROM or makesure you choose devices in the future for the right reasons. Let's face it, very few of us brought it for the specs....
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anyone else....

NOTE: before i begin i want to say that im NOT bashing anyone or any developers!!! i love them and thank them for everything that they have done to make android what it is!!!! THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!
now to begin..
do you guys think that both software and hardware (at least in the mobile world) are moving too fast?
Hardware:i mean look at the tegra series, with Wayne, Grey, Logan, and last but not least Stark (definitely not least; it is projected to 75 times stronger then tegra2) . and now we have a $200 tablet with a quadcore CPU with 178 degree viewing angle. that runs better then a $500 tablet! YES, thats right the nexus 7 run better (as in it is smoother, higher benchmark, and games will run better, less lag) then the asus transformer prime!!!!
Software: look how much has change between gingerbread (2.3.7) and jellybean (4.1). it has grown to be sooooo much. and developers (this is what im talking about at the top... im NOT bashing) but they can't keep up, and not only the people making custom ROMs but OEMs cant keep up. the jellybean SDK is out (and hopefully soon the source will be too) and we dont even have ICS! and look at cyanogen mod they brought ICS nightlies to a few specific devices but soon ICS will be an old version of android. and hopefully they will try to keep up with android. the code keeps changing so developers (like CM, AOKP, and straight AOSP) have to relearn the source code.
the mobile world is changing at a amazing rate and things will never be the same

again im NOT bashing i thank everyone

The devs here are ahead of the manufacturers. It's not really that it's moving so fast, it's just that the manufacturers are behind. Think about it, as a company, would you continue to lay out to your employees to update a phone that you're no longer selling (making money on)?
Realize that the Google phones (nexus etc) are receiving jelly bean, etc as they are built...
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basketthis said:
The devs here are ahead of the manufacturers. It's not really that it's moving so fast, it's just that the manufacturers are behind. Think about it, as a company, would you continue to lay out to your employees to update a phone that you're no longer selling (making money on)?
Realize that the Google phones (nexus etc) are receiving jelly bean, etc as they are built...
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yes the one specific device that google planned the hardware for....
but...
look at CM7 it got to a lot of devices (stable) ( i think between 60 and 80) but CM9 has gotten to a select few ( not stable but nightlies) and there is a new version of android that hopefully they will move to

I personally think either the OEMs need to pick up the pace and make a commitment to the customers that they will support their phones for 24 months and that if a new version of android drops. They will have it available for download to that device within. 6months of release. What does this mean for the OEM. They would have to hire more quality employes that can code and bust ass. Or Google needs to pish back releases from once a year to once every 18 months or so. I personally feel the oems should rise up and start making some waves and getting g these updates and phone knocked out. They could do it if they wanted. But they don't want to hire more employees and **** cause that would cut into profits. This k about it. If there was a team of 8-10 devs per device for a manufacturer. Their sole job would be to keep that device updated with the latest software. Once the 24 month mark hit the device. Move them to another new device and start again. Yeah it would cost more. But it would make for happy customers and happy customer buy more phones from you.
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I don't think it's moving to fast. I'm a firm believer that tech companies have tech that to us would be 5 years advanced, but they're just sitting on it to stretch it out and milk the money.
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jamcar said:
Hardware:i mean look at the tegra series, with Wayne, Grey, Logan, and last but not least Stark (definitely not least; it is projected to 75 times stronger then tegra2).
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Why are these tegra thingys named after super heros
Wayne- Bruce Wayne a.k.a. Batman
Grey- Jean grey a.k.a. phoenix
Logan- James howlett a.k.a. wolverine
Stark- anthony edward stark a.k.a. iron man
Also why does marvel have so much more love than dc. They are both pretty great. At least they got the best man in dc Batman
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jamcar said:
NOTE: before i begin i want to say that im NOT bashing anyone or any developers!!! i love them and thank them for everything that they have done to make android what it is!!!! THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!
now to begin..
do you guys think that both software and hardware (at least in the mobile world) are moving too fast?
Hardware:i mean look at the tegra series, with Wayne, Grey, Logan, and last but not least Stark (definitely not least; it is projected to 75 times stronger then tegra2) . and now we have a $200 tablet with a quadcore CPU with 178 degree viewing angle. that runs better then a $500 tablet! YES, thats right the nexus 7 run better (as in it is smoother, higher benchmark, and games will run better, less lag) then the asus transformer prime!!!!
Software: look how much has change between gingerbread (2.3.7) and jellybean (4.1). it has grown to be sooooo much. and developers (this is what im talking about at the top... im NOT bashing) but they can't keep up, and not only the people making custom ROMs but OEMs cant keep up. the jellybean SDK is out (and hopefully soon the source will be too) and we dont even have ICS! and look at cyanogen mod they brought ICS nightlies to a few specific devices but soon ICS will be an old version of android. and hopefully they will try to keep up with android. the code keeps changing so developers (like CM, AOKP, and straight AOSP) have to relearn the source code.
the mobile world is changing at a amazing rate and things will never be the same
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Probably most of you didn't catch the Reddit post about Linus's talk recently, but I do agree with him on one thing. "Nvidia, **** you (flips the camera the bird)!"
http://m.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/
LOL
" Then he took a bit of shot at Microsoft — the historical rival of Linux. He said that Linux is the only operating system that uses the same kernel across all devices — and that this includes Microsoft Windows. “Nobody has ever done that before,” he said. “[Microsoft] claims they’re trying to [create a single kernel with] Windows 8. They’re lying. They’re not. They’re full of ****.”"
I love Linus for not being afraid to speak his mind wherever that might be.

the only reason i choose the tegra series is because the majority of people know about it and they are very powerful chips

gtuansdiamm said:
Why are these tegra thingys named after super heros
Wayne- Bruce Wayne a.k.a. Batman
Grey- Jean grey a.k.a. phoenix
Logan- James howlett a.k.a. wolverine
Stark- anthony edward stark a.k.a. iron man
Also why does marvel have so much more love than dc. They are both pretty great. At least they got the best man in dc Batman
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why does google name android after deserts and their phones after fish?!?!?

jamcar said:
why does google name android after deserts and their phones after fish?!?!?
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Phones after a fish? I know the word nexus has multiple meanings. As for the deserts thing I'm not sure. I have wondered this myself.
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jamcar said:
why does google name android after deserts and their phones after fish?!?!?
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Their phones are named after fish?!?
Please eloborate
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gtuansdiamm said:
Their phones are named after fish?!?
Please eloborate
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Goldfish for example...
Crespo, Maguro, Tuna...
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Mattix724 said:
Goldfish for example...
Crespo, Maguro, Tuna...
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Wow!!! I never noticed that.
I have to agree??? I think that it is moving too fast. You cant even hold a phone for 6 months now with out it being outdated. The nexus was supposed to be the top android phone, and I think google dropped the ball on that with the nexus s, and then they started making them carrier specific, which ruins the freaking point of having a nexus. Now you have samsung releasing "s voice" before google releases "google now", samsung releasing a quad core before google, blah, blah, blah..... I dont know. The majority of phones dont have ICS yet, but here comes google releasing JB. OEMs have been fu**ing off "trying" to release ICS, now they have another hurdle to get over. I dont even care anymore. Hell, I have been looking at buying another samsung moment just to have boring again.

Mattix724 said:
Goldfish for example...
Crespo, Maguro, Tuna...
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All I know was that nexus s was crespo and I didn't know that was a fish
Which devices are the rest?
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gtuansdiamm said:
All I know was that nexus s was crespo and I didn't know that was a fish
Which devices are the rest?
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"soju" for Nexus S (worldwide version, i9020t and i9023)
"sojua" for Nexus S (850MHz version, i9020a)
"sojuk" for Nexus S (Korea version, m200)
"sojus" for Nexus S 4G (d720, archived, for reference only)
"yakju" for Galaxy Nexus "maguro" (GSM/HSPA+)
"takju" for Galaxy Nexus "maguro" (GSM/HSPA+) (with Google Wallet)
"nakasi" for Nexus 7
"mysid" for Galaxy Nexus "toro" (CDMA/LTE) (archived, for reference only)

[Q] Tizen?

I hath seen the videos, downloaded the SDK (cant figure out how to do jack though), read the forums, etc. But what I would like to know is if anybody is working on getting it on the GNex. It looked very impressive, and would either have to make a hard decision between Ubuntu, Tizen or the next Android. Or else buy another phone and load one on the wifes, one on my DD and one on the other. Any comment or info especially is appreciated. Thanks.:good:

Honestly you're probably going to be fairly dissatisfied with any new OS vs Android at its current level. They will be at a 5+ year disadvantage to what took Google half a decade to achieve.

I can see where you are coming from. However with the amount of pressure put on anything new coming out, I would think it would be fairly polished. Not to mention Tizen will run Android apps.

I really want to try a new OS on my VZW Nexus but there are none that I have found yet. Hopefully Ubuntu OS and Tizen make its way to the vzw varient of the gnex

jaed.43725 said:
I can see where you are coming from. However with the amount of pressure put on anything new coming out, I would think it would be fairly polished. Not to mention Tizen will run Android apps.
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Tizen will run all android apps?
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shahrukhraza said:
Tizen will run all android apps?
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It's called Dalvik. It's a Virtual Machine. It powers all Android apps, including the system. Build Dalvik for some other platform, and you have Android apps on it.

jaed.43725 said:
I can see where you are coming from. However with the amount of pressure put on anything new coming out, I would think it would be fairly polished.
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Not really. Look at Windows Phone. Microsoft has tons of money and their WP8 OS is absolute featureless garbage, even after 2 years that Microsoft had with WP7.
The only way to make Tizen better than Android is to make it truly open to the community and allow more than just one company/foundation/organization to pump features, patches, optimizations into it.

I didn't say anything about better. But since you mention it having to be open, yes Tizen is completely open. From what I gather is that it being HTML5 is supposed to make it easier to develop for (however my knowledge of code is limited). I do encourage everyone to watch the videos on YouTube and learn about it. It is at the least fascinating.
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Is there any news about Tizen? Anyone know when it will be coming out? Thanks.

jaed.43725 said:
Is there any news about Tizen? Anyone know when it will be coming out? Thanks.
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Tizen devices are supposed to be coming out sometime Q1 or Q2.

I am hoping there will be a build for the GNex. I would be hard torn between Ubuntu and Tizen. Will our phones even support Tizen for that matter?

jaed.43725 said:
I am hoping there will be a build for the GNex. I would be hard torn between Ubuntu and Tizen. Will our phones even support Tizen for that matter?
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Im guessing there will be a build. The gnex is still used by alot of people.
This sounds great cant wait.

Any news on the Tizen front? If I could dev this thing I so would for my VZW Nexus. Is there someone working on it that I can follow or help?