Hi all,
I'm heading over from the Evo4g finally. After tearing through these forums, I wanted to confirm what I've been reading. My plan is to throw TWRP on the phone and try out a couple of roms.
From what I have read, installing TWRP will trip the KNOX flag no matter what method is used. Correct?
I bought this device off craigslist and it is fully paid off. I don't have any sort of warranty on it. It doesn't seem like tripping this flag matters in any way to me whatsoever. Is there anything I cannot do with the phone or with t-mobile service after tripping it, or is it purely a warranty thing?
Thanks
If the phone isn't warrantied you can do what you want.
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Correct, flashing a custom recovery will trip the flag no matter what. The only thing that won't work afterwards is the Knox security container, which most people want gone anyways.
That's what I was hoping. Thanks.
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I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?
t3tr1s_ said:
I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?
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Knox isn't really for T-mobile to detect root/custom firmware but for Samsung warranty. A fair amount of people on here have stated that they still sent their phones in to Sammy for warranty and they still got their phones fixed. T-mobile really only look for cracked screens, water damage and that the phone powers on and boots up. Not to say you'll never have an issue but i would say it's not really that big of a deal to trip the Knox counter. Especially if you bought the insurance like Asurion. I don't think they even care if your rooted and ROM'd
Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
t3tr1s_ said:
Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?
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On the old 4.3 firmware yes you can root with Root De La Vega and not trip the Knox counter but once you put ANY custom recovery it will trip the counter. Now on the OTA 4.4.2 that was released on Wednesday, the only 2 current ways to root (TWRP or Philz CWM) will trip the Knox counter no matter what. So until something comes out like an updated ROOT De La Vega, there's no way to even root without tripping the Knox counter.
Also from what i read, RDLV isn't being developed anymore so unless they decide to do something with it for the all the 4.4.2 releases hitting phones these days there may not be anything for a bit to root without tripping knox.
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Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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That is true for 4.3 but so far you can't on 4.4 from everything I have seen. Do you now of a way to not trip knox on 4.4?
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Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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Did I miss something? Is there a way to Root 4.4.2 without tripping Knox? I don't care I've tripped Knox the first night i had my N3 but I didn't think there was a way. Kningo and RDLV i thought borked the phones and caused bootloops.
My t-mobile store says that if you root your phone then it voids your warranty, so obviously they won't allow me to upgrade... So I know they check for it.. How is it you guys have stores where they don't seem to care?
I am apparently one of 3 people who actually use Knox... Is there a way to get root without tripping the Knox counter? There are two methods listed in the One-Stop Shop thread, but it looks like both of them disable Knox. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated!
Edit: Forgot to mention that I am on the latest AT&T OTA (MK6). I have flashed plenty of times before, just trying to keep Knox on this phone since it is fresh from warranty service.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here...and say that the root binary...will be detected by knox....even if the root attempt does not trip the counter...
The rom will detect root and flag you constantly...
And here is the bigger problem in my mind...
If you manage to root...without tripping the knox counter...and you use the device normally...
If/when the day comes you need service....the bootloader flash counter will still show a custom binary flash count even though knox does not...and if you attempt to unroot....you will never be able to return to full stock with the official 4.3 loader....(gasping for air )...LOL
Long story short...
Root and Knox do not get along...and your warranty will be gone even if Knox and it's container remain intact...
Leave it stock...IMHO...g
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I've got a new s4 coming from my insurance plan Cuz I broke my screen.
Is there anyway I can get twrp installed without having to sit down at a computer? So I can restore my backup and have it root itself? Help much appreciated.
Search for Towelroot. I believe it will root the Tmo S4 without tripping the Knox flag. I don't think it requires a computer.
And, then once rooted you can install TWRP Manager from the Play Store.
TowelRoot will give you root. When you flash a custom recovery it will trip Knox.
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What do you mean it'll trip knox? Ive never had any issues with anything called knox when I rooted and flashed on my original S4 a couple years ago when I first got it.
@The Sickness , are you saying that I WILL run into knox issues if I use this towelroot?
How do I avoid any knox issues? I don't really have access to a computer so all I'm really trying to do is get it rooted with twrp installed, without using a computer if possible. But if I have to use a computer to avoid knox issues, then let me know.
Thanks
Your new phone will come with 4.3 or 4.4.2. Both have Knox Bootloader.
TowelRoot will give you root. When you flash a custom recovery it will trip Knox. The only way to avoid Knox is to keep the stock recovery. And it will not allow you to flash custom roms.
TowelRoot root is a apk. You just run it and your done.
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The Sickness said:
Your new phone will come with 4.3 or 4.4.2. Both have Knox Bootloader.
TowelRoot will give you root. When you flash a custom recovery it will trip Knox. The only way to avoid Knox is to keep the stock recovery. And it will not allow you to flash custom roms.
TowelRoot root is a apk. You just run it and your done.
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So your telling me there is no way to flash custom roms on my new s4?
That seems unlikely. How is everybody else flashing custom roms on newer S4s?
I'm seeing things on Google that suggest I can just uninstall knox. If I uninstall it first, then root, will I be ok? Or if I disable it while rooting?
SaintCity86 said:
What do you mean it'll trip knox? Ive never had any issues with anything called knox when I rooted and flashed on my original S4 a couple years ago when I first got it.
@The Sickness , are you saying that I WILL run into knox issues if I use this towelroot?
How do I avoid any knox issues? I don't really have access to a computer so all I'm really trying to do is get it rooted with twrp installed, without using a computer if possible. But if I have to use a computer to avoid knox issues, then let me know.
Thanks
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The Knox flag is a indicator to Samsung that you've installed a Custom Recovery. They instituted the check and the flag in the boot loader for 4.3. All the new phones come with this and there is no way to downgrade to a bootloader that doesn't have the check. Unless you are using the phone on a secure company network that requires it, Knox doesn't affect you in any way. Some people have claimed that it MAY cause you problem returning your phone for warranty, but at this point NO ONE has shown that they have had any issues returning their phone with the Knox flag tripped.
You can verify your bootloader, and view the flag's status once you get the phone by going into download mode - power off the phone. Then, hold the Vol Down button while powering on the phone. Hold the Vol Down until you get to a screen that has a Warning about Custom OS. Press the Vol Up button, and you will see a screen with a very small font and the first line will say "ODIN MODE" If your bootloader has the Knox check and flag, you will see line that says: KNOX WARRANTY VOID:. Next to that line with be either 0x0 or 0x1. If the flag is tripped, it will say 0x1.
If you don't have that line in your bootloader, then you don't have Knox, and you should be able to do what you want. However, if you want to keep your phone Knox free, you won't be able to do Over The Air (OTA) updates. You'll have to manually install ROMS, and never flash an updated bootloader.
I've tripped my Knox flag by flashing TWRP to my phone and have never worried about it.
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Ok tripping it just means it's telling Samsung im messing with it?
It's not actually preventing me from installing custom recoveries or roms?
I thought he was saying I wouldn't be able to do it Cuz of knox.
I don't care about tripping any flags, I've got the premium insurance plan. That's actually how I just got the new s4, by filing a claim.
That's the nice thing about insurance on these devices, messing with the bootloader and installing roms Falls under accidental damage, which is covered.
Sure the deductible is 175 dollars.... But just to replace the glass on one of these can cost upwards of 300 dollars. Worth the 11 dollars a month n deductible. I will be canceling it now though. If this one breaks, I'll just upgrade.
Thanks for the help guys.
I said if you keep STOCK RECOVERY you can't flash roms
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The Sickness said:
I said if you keep STOCK RECOVERY you can't flash roms
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I can read what u wrote. I thought when you guys said the knox flag would trip, that it meant I wouldn't be allowed to install custom roms.
I don't care about any flags, just so long as I'll be able to flash stuff like normal.
The SIMPLEST SAFEST and EASIEST would be to just install My Backup Pro.
it has a "Migrate" mode which allows you to send all that you wish to transfer to the new device and on that new device all you need to do is add the app and instead of "Sending" the data, just select "Receive". (takes only seconds) That way you won't muck up your warranty on the new device till you're SURE there is nothing wrong with it... (just coz it was "refurbished" does not mean it works flawlessly! :>)
Aloha and Good Luck!
Thanks for the info. But I disagree. It seems I just root with this towelroot' install twrp' and restore.
However, I'll be installing a clean rom, insane v9, and reinstalling ask my apps from scratch. Just start brand new.
This brand new S4 will last me till the "sapphire glass" S6 is released, for sure.
Just now, first time reading about this Knox bit. I just this morning purchased from Best Buy a Galaxy Tab S 8.4" tablet. Going to old habits, I immediately look to a rooting method, and what some of the more popular ROMs are. But just curious on feedback, should I be worried about this Knox bit? If I ever have to return to stuck for a warranty claim, are they immediately able to tell that bit has been flipped? Does flipping the bit really lead to potential overheating and other issues?
Thoughts?
Well.. Someone claimed that they got warrenty repaired even if knox was tripped. And it was a power button defect. And someone else said that they still had to pay since they tripped knox.
So its a 50/50 chance that samsung will repair your tab s if knox is tripped. I too was worried. Rooted and tripped knox and had no hardbricks so far. Twrp and odin saves me from softbricks but odin can fail sometimes.
To answer your question: knox being tripped doesnt do anything it just trips an efuse and say that knox is tripped. It doesnt overheat or nothing. If you return it for warrenty claim they can tell if it was tripped. Some may not check some do. Hope this helps!
That does help, thank you!!!
I have two more questions:
1) If I have a hardware failure I can't fix myself, can I still pay to have it fixed by an authorized Samsung person? I understand it just wouldn't be covered under warranty.
2) It's not clear to me if it's tripped on whatever rooting changes (guessing so), or if it's when ROMs are loaded. Assuming it's rooting (which must typically bring new kernel?), does anything thing there's a chance that if we hold out that someone will find a rooting method that won't trip it. I stumbled across the Galaxy Tab Pro section and I see they claim to have a rooting method that doesn't trip the bit. So wondering if I suffer without root for a while if we might see such a thin here? Mind you, I know no one is a fortune teller.
crackface said:
That does help, thank you!!!
I have two more questions:
1) If I have a hardware failure I can't fix myself, can I still pay to have it fixed by an authorized Samsung person? I understand it just wouldn't be covered under warranty.
2) It's not clear to me if it's tripped on whatever rooting changes (guessing so), or if it's when ROMs are loaded. Assuming it's rooting (which must typically bring new kernel?), does anything thing there's a chance that if we hold out that someone will find a rooting method that won't trip it. I stumbled across the Galaxy Tab Pro section and I see they claim to have a rooting method that doesn't trip the bit. So wondering if I suffer without root for a while if we might see such a thin here? Mind you, I know no one is a fortune teller.
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1. If they check you tripped knox and denied your warranty claim, I belive they will ask you the option to pay for the fix. Though I cant be sure as thats what I heard but im pretty sure.
2. Well cfautoroot flashes root and reverts your recovery back to stock. Um.. With the towelroot method of not tripping knox... For the tab pro you downgrade your kernel/build. Though no one has tried downgrading their kernel to like a build before towelroot was patched for the tab s.. I dont know if it will work for the tab s.
I dont even know if we will see a universal root like towelroot. Geohotz is working for google and isnt updating towelroot for newer devices. But there is a huge bounty for rooting the note4 or something like that. But the chances of it working for other devices are pretty low. Hope this helps!
Is there anyway to root the Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 4(SM-N910P) with out Tripping KNOX? I have tried towel root and it is not supported. Any help would be appreciated
Chain fire auto root then install twrp through the ROM I think. I just flashed through Odin though
I believe there is no way not to trip the knox if you root. It is a permanent change. However sprint will honor the warranty as long as you flash back to stock.
Damn, one can only hope. And when I had my s4 and I tripped knox. I had a SIM card issue, and they said sense it was tripped there is nothing I can do.. sorry about your luck
I had my s4 and it lost all audio in the headphone port somehow and I was running slimrom at the time. He wanted to see my phone and he asked if he could install root checker, of course I said yes. But said one sec let me check something, went into the settings and disabled root that way. He did his thing and then fixed my phone. When I turned in my phone, I am on the easy pay thing, it was still rooted and Knox was tripped. After I had my new phone and was ready to walk out. I asked him about it. He said he didn't care cause it gets shipped out and they wipe the phones and reinstall the factory image.
I guess it just depends on the tech that's helping you.
My screen had a bit of dust under the screen, I was rooted Knox tripped and had the screen replaced no questions asked. Like stated above just depends on the tech.
Shouldn't have posted this here and needs to be moved.
Does the sprint exchange work if you didn't buy it at store ..? Bought mine at bestbuy