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So... after first being impatient and buying a T-Mobile Note3 on Craigslist to use on AT&T and then later seeing how the bootloader locked AT&T Note3 was rooted by DG and Chainfire I ended up getting a contract renewal with AT&T after all and went with the AT&T Note3.
Now I thought I might try to experiment a little and see if I can replicate that root method on the T-Mobile Note3 because it's so brilliant and doesn't trigger the Know warranty void flag.
I can confirm it works just as well on the T-Mobile Note3 !!
ALL CREDIT for the method goes to DesignGears and Chainfire! The Original Thread is HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2474422
All steps are exactly the same. THIS IS ONLY FOR N900TUVUBMI7 firmware, so that must be the current one installed on your phone.
Please follow all steps in the original AT&T thread, just skip the oneclick.exe and start with flashing the root_de_la_vega.tar using ODIN.
There is not really a need to so this if you already rooted with the AutoRoot method and triggered the Knox flag. This is for the careful guys who have NOT rooted yet, only want root (no custom ROM or recovery) and would rather like to preserve that Know Warranty 0x0 Flag
Link to the needed file for T-Mobile Note3 is HERE:
http://www.electron73.org/XDA/N900T/ROOT_DE_LA_VEGA-TMO.ZIP
Enjoy
Nice! If I wanted to go stock again, can I just flash the stock firmware in odin and it wont trip the knox flag?
lm that guy said:
Nice! If I wanted to go stock again, can I just flash the stock firmware in odin and it wont trip the knox flag?
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Unfortunatley, once you trip the Knox Flag you can't untrip it - doing Odin to Stock will return you to stock but it does not remove the Knox flag...once it's tripped - it's tripped.
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Unfortunatley, once you trip the Knox Flag you can't untrip it - doing Odin to Stock will return you to stock but it does not remove the Knox flag...once it's tripped - it's tripped.
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Oh no I haven't tripped my Knox flag yet I was asking if I use this method to root and I wanted to go back to stock later down the road, Will I trip the Knox flag if i odin the official stock firmware?
Its good to have this method available for those who are very conscious of Knox falg/warranty. Personally:
I will be doing a full root on my second N3. I have to; in the memory of my first N3... RIP where ever you are now.
lm that guy said:
Oh no I haven't tripped my Knox flag yet I was asking if I use this method to root and I wanted to go back to stock later down the road, Will I trip the Knox flag if i odin the official stock firmware?
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I am not positive - but I think if you flash anything - it will trip it - if you odin back to stock - it would include a new kernel and that would tirp the flag - I may be wrong - but I believe I read this the other day.
WHy would you want to return to stock? To return the phone or something if something went wrong? Maybe there is another way to remove root.?
I dont think you even have to remove root. There will be now ay to tell if you are rooted using that method. Unless you use app that ask you SU permission. So before return just do Factory Reset. That i think should take care of things. IMHO.
lm that guy said:
Oh no I haven't tripped my Knox flag yet I was asking if I use this method to root and I wanted to go back to stock later down the road, Will I trip the Knox flag if i odin the official stock firmware?
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No, if you ODIN back to full stock or do a factory reset/wipe the Knox flag will NOT be triggered. That flag only triggers if you install a CUSTOM recovery or kernel (custom rom).
For the Galaxy S3, there's also a "no trip root" thread where you simply flash a root-injected TouchWhiz, which I used, and as long as you never flash anything non-Samsung in ODIN, you'll never trip the flash counter flag (which can be reset with TriangleAway anyway, unlike the KNOX flag afaik). But, once rooted, you don't need ODIN, and flashing TWRP recovery via the GooManager app (or dd'ing the img over the recovery partition) doesn't trip the flag, nor does subsequent ROM flashes from recovery over the system partition.
Is it the same situation here, or is the KNOX flag different, in that it will always get tripped as soon as it sees an unsigned partition on bootup?
Darn.. Wish I came upon this like 2 days after I had my TMO note 3. Ive already tripped my Knox. Oh well.
Has anybody tested this method. Does it work
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DriftorX said:
Darn.. Wish I came upon this like 2 days after I had my TMO note 3. Ive already tripped my Knox. Oh well.
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The one thing that will eventually have me tripping my Knox flag is if a nice custom kernel comes along. But until then, a simple way to root without tripping the flag will hold me over :fingers-crossed:. Also I'm returning my phone in a week so it's important I don't trip it right now. I want to root and play around with my phone until then.
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Has anybody tested this method. Does it work
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I will test in about 10 minutes when my phone gets finished charging to 100% and will report back. :laugh:
Edit: everything works Thanks OP for posting this!!
Just rooted via this method. It worked fine and knox is stil 0x0. It also didn't factory reset my phone like I thought it would, I'm going to do it anyway, but I wasn't getting any FCs or anything either. Thank you for getting this out to us TMO users!
I don't get it. Rooting doesn't trip knox regardless. But flashing a custom kernel or rom does. So what is the point of this method if it will trip knox as soon as you flash a kernel or rom anyway.
HughesNet said:
I don't get it. Rooting doesn't trip knox regardless. But flashing a custom kernel or rom does. So what is the point of this method if it will trip knox as soon as you flash a kernel or rom anyway.
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For one you can use apps that require root. Also, you can uninstall bloatware and push apks to your phone using adb etc. A little more work than flashing a prebuilt custom rom, but you can get many of the same results.
*You also said rooting doesn't trip knox regardless, but it actually does unless you do it via this method.
Just did this. Easy as cake. Now I just need to sim unlock my note to use my ATT sim and I will be good to go!!
effortless said:
For one you can use apps that require root. Also, you can uninstall bloatware and push apks to your phone using adb etc. A little more work than flashing a prebuilt custom rom, but you can get many of the same results.
*You also said rooting doesn't trip knox regardless, but it actually does unless you do it via this method.
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I know you don't need a custom rom for some things. I run stock deodex myself. I flashed custom recovery immediately after root. I guess I thought that is what triggered knox. Either way matters little to me though. I know tmobile won't check knox counter if I use jump and even if they did I could sell on ebay and come out ahead. So I don't really understand why people worry about it. Insurance covers it if you damage it or need warranty service.
HughesNet said:
I know you don't need a custom rom for some things. I run stock deodex myself. I flashed custom recovery immediately after root. I guess I thought that is what triggered knox. Either way matters little to me though. I know tmobile won't check knox counter if I use jump and even if they did I could sell on ebay and come out ahead. So I don't really understand why people worry about it. Insurance covers it if you damage it or need warranty service.
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Yeah... Seems to me like a kinda-sorta placebo effect or simply one of those things that people can use who *must* have everything completely untraceable to the "T." Like you said, there's virtually no "real" reason this is very necessary, far's I can tell... But, regardless, good work on this - without a doubt - and definitely always a big "plus" to have multiple working methods! :good:
HughesNet said:
I don't get it. Rooting doesn't trip knox regardless. But flashing a custom kernel or rom does. So what is the point of this method if it will trip knox as soon as you flash a kernel or rom anyway.
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exactly. I think op might not know everything like he is implying. he just wants some attention
*****es be be like "nice phone"
mocsab said:
I am not positive - but I think if you flash anything - it will trip it - if you odin back to stock - it would include a new kernel and that would tirp the flag - I may be wrong - but I believe I read this the other day.
WHy would you want to return to stock? To return the phone or something if something went wrong? Maybe there is another way to remove root.?
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If people read up on how KNOX actually works, there wouldn't be so much confusion.
The KNOX WARRANTY VOID flag is set to 0x1 when the bootloader detects (via Qualcomm SecureBoot) that you are booting either a kernel or a recovery that isn't SELinux enforcing (it displays a message such as RECOVERY IS NOT SEANDROID ENFORCING - Set Warranty Bit: recovery). It remembers that the partition you booted was insecure and flags it in its own little memory area. It sets individual warranty bits for each partition - boot (kernel), recovery, cache (if you happen to put something there that it doesn't approve of), system. If ANY of those partition warranty bits are set, the KNOX WARRANTY VOID flag is set to 0x1.
This is all explained in the KNOX white paper available on the Samsung web site.
Now, if someone figures out how to write-enable the protected flash area so the flag can be reset AND disable Qualcomm SecureBoot so that it doesn't set the flag over and over again, we'll be in business. For now, only Samsung knows how to do it.
Well, I have a Note 3 and the only thing I have done is root it, I did not trip the knox counter, made sure of it. It read 0x0. Well today when using my phone it randomly shut off on me while browsing my email and it threw itself into a boot loop.
Nothing I did was able to fix it so at that point I went into kies and did the firmware upgrade to put it back to stock and I was quite surprised when I entered download mode. The knox counter now read 0x1. I went through with the firmware and it didn't fix it. Since the knox counter was tripped at this point I just said screw it and loaded a custom recovery on the device to wipe everything out of it that way including system and data, then tried to flash the stock rom. It didn't work.
I then tried Kies again, didn't work. How is this possible? How do I randomly trip the Knox counter doing nothing and my phone randomly bricks on me? I now am stuck with a paperweight that is out of warranty even though I made sure it was prior to doing anything.
In that many rooted with triggering the knox flag and it didn't prevent them from using their phone, that is not the issue.
You may just have a hardware issue. There are those that might be able to figure it out though.
krelvinaz said:
In that many rooted with triggering the knox flag and it didn't prevent them from using their phone, that is not the issue.
You may just have a hardware issue. There are those that might be able to figure it out though.
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I thought hardware issue as well, but why did it randomly trip the counter? That's why it is concerning to me.
What method did u use to root.
NOTE 3
BACARDILIMON said:
What method did u use to root.
NOTE 3
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Root De La Vega
The only things that are supposed to trip the Knox flag with that method are:
Flashing a custom ROM will trip the flag
Flashing a custom Kernel will trip the flag
Flashing a custom Recovery will trip the flag
What recovery did you use did you wipe the system or format the system. If you did the latter you and can get into download mode I would flash the stock ROM with the pit to repartition your memory. I had to do this with my s4
If u have insurance. Moderator edit, discussion or intimation of fraud of any kind is forbidden on XDA...
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I've got a new s4 coming from my insurance plan Cuz I broke my screen.
Is there anyway I can get twrp installed without having to sit down at a computer? So I can restore my backup and have it root itself? Help much appreciated.
Search for Towelroot. I believe it will root the Tmo S4 without tripping the Knox flag. I don't think it requires a computer.
And, then once rooted you can install TWRP Manager from the Play Store.
TowelRoot will give you root. When you flash a custom recovery it will trip Knox.
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What do you mean it'll trip knox? Ive never had any issues with anything called knox when I rooted and flashed on my original S4 a couple years ago when I first got it.
@The Sickness , are you saying that I WILL run into knox issues if I use this towelroot?
How do I avoid any knox issues? I don't really have access to a computer so all I'm really trying to do is get it rooted with twrp installed, without using a computer if possible. But if I have to use a computer to avoid knox issues, then let me know.
Thanks
Your new phone will come with 4.3 or 4.4.2. Both have Knox Bootloader.
TowelRoot will give you root. When you flash a custom recovery it will trip Knox. The only way to avoid Knox is to keep the stock recovery. And it will not allow you to flash custom roms.
TowelRoot root is a apk. You just run it and your done.
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The Sickness said:
Your new phone will come with 4.3 or 4.4.2. Both have Knox Bootloader.
TowelRoot will give you root. When you flash a custom recovery it will trip Knox. The only way to avoid Knox is to keep the stock recovery. And it will not allow you to flash custom roms.
TowelRoot root is a apk. You just run it and your done.
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So your telling me there is no way to flash custom roms on my new s4?
That seems unlikely. How is everybody else flashing custom roms on newer S4s?
I'm seeing things on Google that suggest I can just uninstall knox. If I uninstall it first, then root, will I be ok? Or if I disable it while rooting?
SaintCity86 said:
What do you mean it'll trip knox? Ive never had any issues with anything called knox when I rooted and flashed on my original S4 a couple years ago when I first got it.
@The Sickness , are you saying that I WILL run into knox issues if I use this towelroot?
How do I avoid any knox issues? I don't really have access to a computer so all I'm really trying to do is get it rooted with twrp installed, without using a computer if possible. But if I have to use a computer to avoid knox issues, then let me know.
Thanks
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The Knox flag is a indicator to Samsung that you've installed a Custom Recovery. They instituted the check and the flag in the boot loader for 4.3. All the new phones come with this and there is no way to downgrade to a bootloader that doesn't have the check. Unless you are using the phone on a secure company network that requires it, Knox doesn't affect you in any way. Some people have claimed that it MAY cause you problem returning your phone for warranty, but at this point NO ONE has shown that they have had any issues returning their phone with the Knox flag tripped.
You can verify your bootloader, and view the flag's status once you get the phone by going into download mode - power off the phone. Then, hold the Vol Down button while powering on the phone. Hold the Vol Down until you get to a screen that has a Warning about Custom OS. Press the Vol Up button, and you will see a screen with a very small font and the first line will say "ODIN MODE" If your bootloader has the Knox check and flag, you will see line that says: KNOX WARRANTY VOID:. Next to that line with be either 0x0 or 0x1. If the flag is tripped, it will say 0x1.
If you don't have that line in your bootloader, then you don't have Knox, and you should be able to do what you want. However, if you want to keep your phone Knox free, you won't be able to do Over The Air (OTA) updates. You'll have to manually install ROMS, and never flash an updated bootloader.
I've tripped my Knox flag by flashing TWRP to my phone and have never worried about it.
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Ok tripping it just means it's telling Samsung im messing with it?
It's not actually preventing me from installing custom recoveries or roms?
I thought he was saying I wouldn't be able to do it Cuz of knox.
I don't care about tripping any flags, I've got the premium insurance plan. That's actually how I just got the new s4, by filing a claim.
That's the nice thing about insurance on these devices, messing with the bootloader and installing roms Falls under accidental damage, which is covered.
Sure the deductible is 175 dollars.... But just to replace the glass on one of these can cost upwards of 300 dollars. Worth the 11 dollars a month n deductible. I will be canceling it now though. If this one breaks, I'll just upgrade.
Thanks for the help guys.
I said if you keep STOCK RECOVERY you can't flash roms
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The Sickness said:
I said if you keep STOCK RECOVERY you can't flash roms
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I can read what u wrote. I thought when you guys said the knox flag would trip, that it meant I wouldn't be allowed to install custom roms.
I don't care about any flags, just so long as I'll be able to flash stuff like normal.
The SIMPLEST SAFEST and EASIEST would be to just install My Backup Pro.
it has a "Migrate" mode which allows you to send all that you wish to transfer to the new device and on that new device all you need to do is add the app and instead of "Sending" the data, just select "Receive". (takes only seconds) That way you won't muck up your warranty on the new device till you're SURE there is nothing wrong with it... (just coz it was "refurbished" does not mean it works flawlessly! :>)
Aloha and Good Luck!
Thanks for the info. But I disagree. It seems I just root with this towelroot' install twrp' and restore.
However, I'll be installing a clean rom, insane v9, and reinstalling ask my apps from scratch. Just start brand new.
This brand new S4 will last me till the "sapphire glass" S6 is released, for sure.
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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If your baseband is NB4 or NE6 you can use "Towelroot" for rooting
otherwise if your baseband is NF1 or NF4 Towelroot will not work.
Towelroot will not trip knox.
If you flash any custom recovery knox will get triggered
but so far no one lost their warranty due to triggering knox.
Without custom recovery you will not be able to flash any
custom roms.
Good luck!
Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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You can use your insurance even with knox tripping. It only voids your samsung warranty, not your insurance. Just an fyi.
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my friend tmobile insurance doesnt care if you have knox trip off
either way you pay one 175 for a new note or screen fix we so i dont matter if you damage the phone or the system
Thanks towelroot worked great with my NB4 baseband..and my needed app works great as well.
Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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Just use The EffortLess Way to root NF4 without tripping KNOX!
Okay so i got the g920 p today, rooted with pingpong root method and the knox is 0x0 cool. My question i have is if i twrp with odin will it trip the knox? I know on my old note 2 it never did but i was 4.1.1 bootloaders forever lol. Any help with this would,be great. Im a flash a,holic and came from att to sprint.
Side question i have is if in fact the knox trips is/will there be a way to reset the counter? Triangle away,worked for me on the s5, s4 and note 2 when accidntally happened. Wouldnt uninstaling knox keep it from tripping or what about disabling it? My bad for noob questions lol
if i twrp with odin will it trip the knox
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is/will there be a way to reset the counter
--not currently/maybe (doubtful)
Wouldnt uninstaling knox keep it from tripping or what about disabling it?
--no, the OS level components have little to do with the KNOX bit baked into the boot loader.
Triangle away,worked for me
--Triangle away only resets the soft counters (ie flash counter). I don't believe it resets the binary flag.
From other reports the KNOX bit doesn't matter for warranty stuff.
Thanks. I found that flashfire lets me do the same as twrp minus the custom stuff aosp and the like.