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MetroTube to be disappearing from the marketplace on January, 1st.

A few minutes ago on twitter:
@LazywormApps
Today is a very sad day for us. We apologize for this unfortunate situation and promise to make it up to you all...
http://lazywormapps.com/
http://lazywormapps.com/letterToCustomers.pdf
http://www.wpcentral.com/metrotube-be-discontinued-after-january-1st
Honestly, that sucks ****. One of the best and outstanding apps for Windows Phone is gonna be pulled from the marketplace. Let me get this straight.. I don't blame the developers (LazywormApps), since they decided to follow the terms of service that apply to Youtube.com. I blame Google for not providing the appropriate API or at least allow the use of workarounds.
It think this is a pretty good reason to show our support, even though I'm currently now sure about how exactly. Maybe turn to Google support, or Microsoft? Or whatever. I'm sure if enough users help, things could change.

Pretty ****ed up :/
I wonder if google will ever release more APIs...

its a real shame

That sucks, Windows Phone gets a bit less appealing everyday.
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Peew971 said:
That sucks, Windows Phone gets a bit less appealing everyday.
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I wonder if we are so app-centric in a people-centric UI!

What a lame argument, you can't get the experience you get from MetroTube without an app. Apps are important, those saying otherwise are just lunatics.
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Google are the reason they are pulling it:
“Unfortunately, Google has refused to allow Microsoft’s new Windows Phones to access this YouTube metadata in the same way that Android phones and iPhones do. As a result, Microsoft’s YouTube “app” on Windows Phones is basically just a browser displaying YouTube’s mobile Web site, without the rich functionality offered on competing phones. Microsoft is ready to release a high quality YouTube app for Windows Phone. We just need permission to access YouTube in the way that other phones already do, permission Google has refused to provide.”
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-our-windows-phone-7-youtube-app-sucks-because-of-google/

Peew971 said:
What a lame argument, you can't get the experience you get from MetroTube without an app. Apps are important, those saying otherwise are just lunatics.
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It's in no a way an argument! However the fact that absence of an app made it so unappealing should definitely be classified as app-centric user who knowing that the OS lacks apps should have bought an android in first place!

I wonder why metrotube did not mention Google Restriction on MetaData and said HD as the reason
And if that is so How did the App work ?

wpxbox said:
I wonder why metrotube did not mention Google Restriction on MetaData and said HD as the reason
And if that is so How did the App work ?
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If my memory serve me right, they used some undocumented api and some TOC violation to make HD video available to WP7, I didn't keep the source link, maybe someone here can help?

Lol that's my luck.....i just purchased it two days ago! I've typically just used the browser but heard so many good things about the app I figured I'd give it a shot. What a shame because it actually is a very nice app.

We want metrotube even without HQ/HD streaming!

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We want metrotube even without HQ/HD streaming!
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Go ahead and tell @LazywormApps

That's sucks, and I paid for this app.
Oh well, supertube will suffice. Lets blame Google.

I can't believe Google is STILL blocking wp7 from this. I really want to know why they are doing this, and even more how they are allowed to block only a single platform.

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I can't believe Google is STILL blocking wp7 from this. I really want to know why they are doing this, and even more how they are allowed to block only a single platform.
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What makes me wonder is the fact that there's a very well working YouTube app for XBox 360. So why is the API officially available for THIS specific Microsoft platform, but not for Windows Phone?

It could just come down to not wanting the competition to have a feature that you use as a major selling point. The Xbox platform doesn't compete with Android, but WP7 does.
With iOS, the contract between YouTube and Apple was established before there was an Android platform (and, I suspect, before the Google acquisition of YouTube was completed). But, since the contract is already in place, I suspect that Google's hands are tied on that front (at least until the terms of the contract expire, if ever).

RoboDad said:
It could just come down to not wanting the competition to have a feature that you use as a major selling point. The Xbox platform doesn't compete with Android, but WP7 does.
With iOS, the contract between YouTube and Apple was established before there was an Android platform (and, I suspect, before the Google acquisition of YouTube was completed). But, since the contract is already in place, I suspect that Google's hands are tied on that front (at least until the terms of the contract expire, if ever).
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+1
I have a samsung focus and an HTC flyer. I am amazed to see heavenly lag free browsing, no force closes, tightest social integration, apps managemnt with games going to Xbox category, all photos in one place, office, skydrive, etc etc on my focus. Mango is plain awesome. As for phone, I don't need an android phone after seeing the performance of my flyer vis a vis my focus. Though flyer is not bad in performance, I just wish there were mango tablets available in market. I will definitely go for a mango or tango tablet once it is available in market.
That's why Google is afraid of this new age os.
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anyone tried supertube

can anybody try to capture the application? i think that could be the best thing. So in the future we could just deploy this app with a xap deployer.

Nokia Really Shaping Windows Phone OS

To tell you all the truth, Nokia is really shaping Windows Phone OS. They are always adding new enhancements and apps to the Phone which really make the OS more lovely to use. They have really made the other OEMs WACK and lets take my HTC phone for example, the HTC apps never change and they really don't have any enhancements to the OS....all goes to HTC Android Phones with sense 4.0 and no new apps at the HTC section at the Marketplace. Nokia just introduced the transport and reading hub which I like very much and I think it's time the other OEMs start doing something on enhancements on the OS to attract more customers or else most of us will switch to Nokia when Apollo arrives.
Can't even imagine I have to wait for 3 solid months for the CNN and ESPN apps.....whilst Lumia Holders are enjoying....hmmmmm!

Really thanks to Windows Break Project, I use Nokia App in my Samsung Focus

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Really thanks to Windows Break Project, I use Nokia App in my Samsung Focus
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I've been able to use all but Nokia Drive and the MWC app. I'm about to try the ACC app now.

That's because for Nokia it is very important that Windows Phone is succesfull.
Other OEMs mainly have Android and make most of their money from Android.
That's not to say that I wouldn't want e.g. HTC to bring Beats Audio to Windows Phone, but I can understand why they wait.
If Nokia's Lumias sell well in the future, this MIGHT very well help WP7 including other OEMs.

That's the least they could do for MS, a company that is basically their backbone and their future. Nokia/MS is what you call a true partnership. Symbian has great quality apps and it would be only right for them to bring that same quality over to WP. Can't wait to get my lumia 900+nokia purity HD. I'm going to be the happiest camper on the block. Expect lumia 900 to sell very ell in the states.
But on the other hand I have to agree other OEM's need to put forth quality efforts in building better quality product such as Nokia. But you have to also realize that our other OEMS's that are putting out devices also have commitments to Android which is selling well, so I. wOuldnt expect much from them until they see how well NOKIA is going to sell, Apollo arrives, and the ecosystem of windows products interaction with different types of devices such as Xbox, tablets, pc's, laptops, and windows phones
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That's because for Nokia it is very important that Windows Phone is succesfull.
Other OEMs mainly have Android and make most of their money from Android.
That's not to say that I wouldn't want e.g. HTC to bring Beats Audio to Windows Phone, but I can understand why they wait.
If Nokia's Lumias sell well in the future, this MIGHT very well help WP7 including other OEMs.
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But Nokia also has Symbian? Its not that WP is their only OS. Almost all of the OEMs have more than One OS to deliver to.

Is Nokia causing fragmentation on Windows Phone with their exclusive apps? YES

Saw this great article (http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-causing-fragmentation-windows-phone-their-exclusive-apps) and it's worth discussion. Actually I'm pissed about what Nokia is doing. Is it by force to use a Nokia device?? If I dont, why I'm I being punnised for it by not getting some good apps?
Nokia has made moves to gain some big titles (and leverage) for their hardware. Who does it hurt? Who does it benefit and is it a good thing? I say a BIG NO, it's not a good thing. Good for Nokia but not for the OS (Windows Phone)
The real deal is, Nokia’s strategy to get these apps and games on their hardware will definetely hurt Windows Phone and I can see Nokia's Version of Windows Phone coming out real soon and it aint good.
Pissed this morning, Always Nokia, Nokia, Nokia all ove the news with exclusive good apps.....WTF

All of the applications will be timed exclusive to nokia phones. Since the applications will be arriving sooner or later to other windows phones, i see no harm is being made. That being said, i think this is nokia trying to make developers care for the windows phone platform and is helping them to develop their applications for windows. That is probably why they get a timed exclusive for their phones. In the end, every windows phone user will be benefited as more applications will arrive to the platform!

I do not see why this is a bad thing.
1. Every manufacturer has their exclusive apps. Nokia is not the first one to do this, it's what manufacturers need on WP7 to differ themselves from each other.
2. Some of these are not even proper exclusives. These are timed exclusive and will be available to other phones at a later time as well.

I agree with you but wait for a year or what? Why do I have to wait soo long to get a CNN or ESPN app on my phone? How many people can just wait for apps they want desperately? I just can't wait and I just can't get a Lumia device so what? How about we that fall in this category?

Kenzibit said:
I agree with you but wait for a year or what? Why do I have to wait soo long to get a CNN or ESPN app on my phone? How many people can just wait for apps they want desperately? I just can't wait and I just can't get a Lumia device so what? How about we that fall in this category?
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ESPN has another app, and is also available online. CNN can be pulled into any RSS reader. Are these the only examples you have?
If so, the argument is very weak.
For the apps that dont exist - would they at all anyway if not for Nokia? Would you get them any sooner if not for Nokia? At all?
I see no validity in the argument for fragmentation. App availability by region has always been there. Is China causing fragmentation in WP7 because Twitter and Facebook have been removed for any handset sold in China?

Kenzibit said:
I agree with you but wait for a year or what? Why do I have to wait soo long to get a CNN or ESPN app on my phone? How many people can just wait for apps they want desperately? I just can't wait and I just can't get a Lumia device so what? How about we that fall in this category?
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Because Nokia is investing the time and money to develop these apps in the first place or at least is incenting the content owner (CNN or ESPN) to create these apps.
as eknutson described it already: If not for Nokia, you'd probably not see these apps at all or at least a lot later, when the OS has seen a wider range of adoption.
Let me also point out that some apps are not even without an alternative. Take the announced "BOX" app: Why wait for an official app, if "Boxfiles For Box.net FREE" does the same job?
If you managed to live without a paypal app this long, why not another 6 months?

hMM
i have to admit the ESPN app on Nokia is nice, I just used the switcher app in the forum.

LOL, what is all the nonsense about fragmentation?
You act like the apps won't work on other WP devices.
Nokia coughed up their own money to make the developers bring these apps to WP and you want them to then share with other OEMs?!?
OEMs who have been in the game significantly longer and have simply twiddled their thumbs and blamed MS for all WP woes while pumping out me-too devices as opposed to innovating?
BE REAL!
Thank Nokia for giving these developers the incentive to give WP the time of day.
Once they begin working on their apps, they will realize just how easy it is to code for the OS, leading to more apps in the future as opposed to the current developers having to rely on APIs that blocked all the time (Pandora, Instagram) so they too can produce their own original apps for the platform.
Plus fragmentation refers to the OS version, not the apps themselves.
And if you're so mad about it, go buy a Nokia device.

Well let's see, either Nokia gets them first by paying cash out of their own pockets and then in time shares it with the OEMs who couldn't care less about doing anything for the platform, or we don't get them at all because no OEM cares. Without Nokia, WP7 really would be a lesser OS. Don't get me wrong, I used a DVP for almost a year before the first Nokia device got sent my way, but Nokia made WP7 MUCH better.
Not only does this give us the games, it builds the framework to create future versions of the game. This is helping WP7 perpetually, now stop getting angry that you picked up a piece of recycled android hardware and be happy for all that Nokia has done for our fine OS.

Other OEM's are free to make deals with big development companies too...

But they won´t, take a look at HTC for example, they could make deal with Route 66 about navigation, for example one/two free maps, but no, they offer you trial, and then you must pay.

Excellent comments so far but I still don't think it's fair for people to benefit more than others on the same OS. In the Android world, I think it's about OS customizations and not apps benefits. All apps are acquired by everyone, the only difference being your customizations and experience.
Secondly, I know some HTC and MS workers will see this post, after all they are here with us under disguise ;-)

Yea, right, I hate everyone who owns an HTC because he has an sound enhancer...wait, I don´t, I don´t even hated LG for having DLNA app in front of many others...just think please!
Some companies put simply more effort into the platform, HTC puts it into the Android OS, Nokia is so far first OEM whose commitment can be really seen, and you want to hate just because of that? Gimmie a break.

It could encourage HTC and Samsung to retreat even more from Windows Phone, if their sales get that much worse in comparison.
And if they instead take the initiative and start on the same strategy then that would be fragmentation, just like the article says. Temporary fragmentation, to be sure, but what happens when someone realizes that "I either buy HTC and get this and this app, or Samsung and get this and this app, or Nokia and get this and this app"?

thebobp said:
It could encourage HTC and Samsung to retreat even more from Windows Phone, if their sales get that much worse in comparison.
And if they instead take the initiative and start on the same strategy then that would be fragmentation, just like the article says. Temporary fragmentation, to be sure, but what happens when someone realizes that "I either buy HTC and get this and this app, or Samsung and get this and this app, or Nokia and get this and this app"?
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Going on this way Android should have failed real quick then. But apparently it's alive and well...to me stepping up the competion always leads to a win for the user. Without HTC and other OEMs skinning the older, fugly and piss poor versions of Android there would have been no Android boom at all IMHO. Thanks to them actually investing on the platform, it is now the most relevant phone OS in the world. Not bad heh?

vnvman said:
Going on this way Android should have failed real quick then. But apparently it's alive and well...to me stepping up the competion always leads to a win for the user. Without HTC and other OEMs skinning the older, fugly and piss poor versions of Android there would have been no Android boom at all IMHO. Thanks to them actually investing on the platform, it is now the most relevant phone OS in the world. Not bad heh?
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I'm not talking about skinning (which the user can rationalize as "am i buying this look or that look?" ) but apps actually being unavailable depending on which phone you buy. Say all manufacturers start advertising very hard: "come to us; the others don't have these apps!" Unfortunately, this is negative advertising, and incoming users would start wondering "eh, why don't i just go to iOS, where i'll have all of them?" that's the essence of fragmentation.
Of course, the other alternative (that nobody else bothers to escalate) is almost as bad.
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This thread must be a wind-up. Seriously -- no one could be complaining about "fragmentation" due to one OEM deciding to bring more value to their own handsets.

Kenzibit said:
Is Nokia causing fragmentation on Windows Phone with their exclusive apps? YES
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I don't understand your use of the word "fragmentation." At present if a developer chooses to make an app that works on ALL Windows Phones they can. If some developer is sitting on their @$$ and only servicing the iphone market and a manufacturer makes a deal and pays the developer to make an exclusive app for their phone I don't see what the problem is. It's not like they are saying, hey ebay I know you have a Windows Phone app. Why don't I pay you to pull it and only make it for my handsets.
HTC can join the party or fold. By Nokia enticing developers with ITS OWN MONEY they are only expanding the Windows Phone eco system. I don't really see a time in the future where so many apps are bought up everyone has a hard time getting an app on their phone. Once a critical mass of apps are on Windows Phone more handsets will sell and developers will create apps without incentives. Heck if someone enticed epocrates to create a Windows Phone version of their software I would buy that brand of phone. That would be better than the current state of affairs (ie nothing).

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I don't understand your use of the word "fragmentation." At present if a developer chooses to make an app that works on ALL Windows Phones they can. If some developer is sitting on their @$$ and only servicing the iphone market and a manufacturer makes a deal and pays the developer to make an exclusive app for their phone I don't see what the problem is. It's not like they are saying, hey ebay I know you have a Windows Phone app. Why don't I pay you to pull it and only make it for my handsets.
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Same result either way: the app is available only for Nokia (at least temporarily). If you agree the latter is fragmentation, then you'll agree the former is. Fragmentation for a good reason is still fragmentation.
Right now it's not that worrisome; what is worrisome is if the others happen to respond in kind. Then we'll really have fragmentation of apps - "such and such is available only on HTC Windows Phone, such and such only on Samsung Windows Phone, and such and such only on Nokia".

That's not "fragmentation," it's "exclusivity."
Different issue.

WP7.5 Mango vs. Android Jelly Bean

I see that there are no threads here or comparisons between these two or videos...
I know that they are completely different OSs but WP has always been bragging about smoothness of their OS.
From recent reviews of Galaxy Nexus running Jelly Bean, i see no reason to ever complain about lagging.
For those who're talking about instability of Android, that is a personal choice of installing ****ty apps and tweaking it in the ways it wasn't
supposed to be tweaked anyway (Android has matured enough from random/"no reason" crashes).
The main thing which I'm interested in is speed and fluidity.

Its dead here bro. No point in comparing something dead to the living.
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I'm coming from mango on my Samsung focus. Jelly bean wins hands down. It's not even funny.
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Well it is wrong to compare as WP7 (dead) with JB. Wait for fall and than we can compare WP8 with Android. And I give 100% WP8 wins Android in all ways. Eco system between PC and WP8 or other devices will be best than Android or Apple. And believe me developers move from android to Microsoft. Because any app for WP8 works on PC as well or PC app works with WP8. Better gaming etc.
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^ I fell for the exact same vaporware. Do some research and you'll see that is just not true.
Besides, people purchase real programs for the desktop, not apps. Simply because the full web is at your fingertips.
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Nettwerk said:
Well it is wrong to compare as WP7 (dead) with JB. Wait for fall and than we can compare WP8 with Android. And I give 100% WP8 wins Android in all ways. Eco system between PC and WP8 or other devices will be best than Android or Apple. And believe me developers move from android to Microsoft. Because any app for WP8 works on PC as well or PC app works with WP8. Better gaming etc.
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The customers mindset is not the same between desktop and mobile. The salespitch to devs is that EVERYONE will be buying apps like crazy..... But it didn't happen on wp7 yet, and w8 is not exactly turning people into sheeple like Apple has.
Also:
"wait till mango comes out, its gonna kill android"
"wait till tango"....
"wait till Apollo"....
"wait till surface".....
"wait till" insert new vaporware here.
It's not happening. People simply aren't waiting for Microsoft to wake up and catch up. People are buying NOW, today, and a lot of products.

ohgood said:
The customers mindset is not the same between desktop and mobile. The salespitch to devs is that EVERYONE will be buying apps like crazy..... But it didn't happen on wp7 yet, and w8 is not exactly turning people into sheeple like Apple has.
Also:
"wait till mango comes out, its gonna kill android"
"wait till tango"....
"wait till Apollo"....
"wait till surface".....
"wait till" insert new vaporware here.
It's not happening. People simply aren't waiting for Microsoft to wake up and catch up. People are buying NOW, today, and a lot of products.
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I was willing to wait till Apollo (I waited for Nodo, Mango, still waiting for Tango-HD7), until MS said that my WP7 phone will not be upgraded. Just got a Galaxy S3, and really enjoying it.

Nettwerk said:
Well it is wrong to compare as WP7 (dead) with JB. Wait for fall and than we can compare WP8 with Android. And I give 100% WP8 wins Android in all ways. Eco system between PC and WP8 or other devices will be best than Android or Apple. And believe me developers move from android to Microsoft. Because any app for WP8 works on PC as well or PC app works with WP8. Better gaming etc.
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Real PC apps won't work on WP8. I thought the same but i read a bunch of things and even tablet versions of Windows 8 wont support it. It's logical for PC to support mobile apps, but the other way around, not so much.
Edit: Look at your windows programs (assuming you're not using W8). You're not getting them on your phone.

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Its dead here bro. No point in comparing something dead to the living.
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That's a cold dose of reality right there my friend.
LL13-

Oh well. I enjoy my dead software for the moment. Then in a few months when some new Nexus or some Nokia WP8 thing comes out I'll figure out what to pick. I've been using WP for 7 months now, I know its flaws but I still like it, good design never gets old I guess. I'm not a fanboy of any OS, when I'm bored about my phone I pick a new one, simple as that. I'm not going balls deep with any platform tho, so I don't really feel like "bragging" about what I have/"bashing" what I don't. Honestly seeing that JB is now smooth can only make me happier, especially because I'm getting a TF300 soon. Peace out.
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[email protected] said:
I was willing to wait till Apollo (I waited for Nodo, Mango, still waiting for Tango-HD7), until MS said that my WP7 phone will not be upgraded. Just got a Galaxy S3, and really enjoying it.
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I did the same thing and got a Samsung galaxy s3. The deal breaker for me was wp7 would not be upgraded so basically it means that my Samsung focus us dead. i feel horrible that the poor people that recently bought a Nokia lumia now has a dead device. Now ms said sometime in the fall, so if us carriers like att has not even thought about testing it, even windows 7.8 would be released to carriers that will take their time to push next year.
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I did the same thing and got a Samsung galaxy s3. The deal breaker for me was wp7 would not be upgraded so basically it means that my Samsung focus us dead. i feel horrible that the poor people that recently bought a Nokia lumia now has a dead device. Now ms said sometime in the fall, so if us carriers like att has not even thought about testing it, even windows 7.8 would be released to carriers that will take their time to push next year.
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I recently sold my Omnia 7 because I figured that it will become worthless when WP8 arrives since it can't upgrade.
Looking at the WP8 presentation, I'm deeply disappointed in MS because the main thing they're talking about is still "live tiles that no other phone
has". That's just pathetic. Resizeable tiles?.... It wasn't even MS that brought the idea... I saw it about a year ago from some guy here on xda and
now it's their main thing. Other things are just WP trying to catch up with Apple And Android with the same things they already have (wow... offline maps).
I'm too switching to Jelly Bean. Don't have enough for s3, but closely enough for used Galaxy Nexus

Nettwerk said:
Well it is wrong to compare as WP7 (dead) with JB. Wait for fall and than we can compare WP8 with Android. And I give 100% WP8 wins Android in all ways. Eco system between PC and WP8 or other devices will be best than Android or Apple. And believe me developers move from android to Microsoft. Because any app for WP8 works on PC as well or PC app works with WP8. Better gaming etc.
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so, a beta release of wp8 is something you seriously consider competition for a 3 month old jellybean?
what do you expect to see to see winning over android as you stated 100% ? sales?
the portion of your comment suggesting that developers are just slobbering at the opportunity to jump from Android to wp8 sounds desperate and delusional. you might find some Nokia engineers out of work and be grudgingly apply for a seat, but I doubt that too.
wp7 failed to attract developers AND consumer mind share. what will be different, this time?

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wp7 failed to attract developers AND consumer mind share. what will be different, this time?
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Windows 8/RT compatibility?

ohgood said:
It's not happening. People simply aren't waiting for Microsoft to wake up and catch up. People are buying NOW, today, and a lot of products.
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Well, I am, so I guess you are wrong. When my contract ran out I got a One X, which I sold after a week. Just couldn't go back to the Android UI, feels old and fugly to me after wp7 for a year. Sooooo, back on my HD7 and waiting for apollo. Whatever floats your boat, I guess

I'm getting tired of those threads... I guess it's time for me to leave XDA after so many years. That forum is simply not the no. 1 place for MS/WM/WP discussion anymore. Just look at the first page, it contains about 90% Android articles. And I am really getting sick of that repetitive Android is better than everything else bullsh... I want serious discussions about that OS I am using and not those dumb comparisons.
What I don't understand is the fact that some of you guys lost hope in MS/WP and switched to an Android device by now but you're still discussing here with your everyday pessimistic posts against MS.

morpheuszg said:
I'm getting tired of those threads... I guess it's time for me to leave XDA after so many years. That forum is simply not the no. 1 place for MS/WM/WP discussion anymore. Just look at the first page, it contains about 90% Android articles. And I am really getting sick of that repetitive Android is better than everything else bullsh... I want serious discussions about that OS I am using and not those dumb comparisons.
What I don't understand is the fact that some of you guys lost hope in MS/WP and switched to an Android device by now but you're still discussing here with your everyday pessimistic posts against MS.
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Exactly. People should really start sticking either to the general forum or simply to the one of the OS they HAVE CHOOSEN. This kind of stuff only encourages flame wars and pointless random *****ing. I do understand that this is a critical moment for the platform, but one MUST have something better to do then cry about it all all day, let's try to be constructive, please.

My intentions when opening this thread is to see a real comparison between features and performance of WP (no matter which version) and Android Jelly Bean.
Sorry if I started another flame thread.
I doesn't matter if its 7.5 or 7.8. MS was always talking about smoothness of their OS, but Jelly Bean responded with Project Butter.
What is MSs response to that?

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Windows 8/RT compatibility?
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Not going to happen, sorry. RT is entirely different. I believed the same thing until I researched it.
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Windows 8/RT compatibility?
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Ok, you may have a point for some devs with the rt/8 possibilities. as stated, they're both vapor ware still. will it cause developers to salivate thinking of the money to be made? dunno
so what will get the consumers minds racing, then? you need consumers to feed those devs .
mmmm, even this is off topic it seems. sorry, op, but its difficult to compare vapor to a working product.

ome next month, will WP7 become the forgotten OS?

I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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trappxl said:
I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device? and some of you askings are already there i use 7.8 and have the new start screen, some new colors are also there. And i can tell you i'am realy good served with 7.8 and the feature set of 7.5! belive me that most people would buy an 7.8 before an wp8 device, i think of normal consumers. Normal consumers want "cheaper phones" but good phones, that an Lumia 900 on 7.8 for me and it cost now only a half of a lumia 920! is the lumia 920 realy worth twice? i think no! generally speaking as a long time wp7 user. It has not so much new features which are worth now to pay 600€ for a lumia 920. and with the lumia price drop to about 320€ it is only the half. it can be also found to 300€.

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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device?
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Same way as iOS has passbook app? They don't have NFC but passbook can help keep stuff in one place secure - boarding passes, credit cards, store cards blah blah.
So yeah wallet hub can have possible uses even without any NFC support.

Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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trappxl said:
Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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Most likely they won't - at least Nokia won't. Considering how huge its feature phone market is, if anything it will try and push all the old WP7.x phones as "first smartphones" to those feature phone customers. To be honest, none of the WP7.x are that complicated or feature loaded to overwhelm or underwhelm a beginner in smartphone world. Believe it or not, feature phone market is much much much bigger than smartphone world. These WP7.x babies can easily beat any low end entry level Android!

I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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trappxl said:
I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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OR may be as few threads about 3-4 months back discussed at lengths that MSFT knew it all along. WP8 was in making even before the launch of WP7. For such a giant company it makes sense to have it all planned. With WP7 there was no way OEM other than Nokia would go full-on with it. Hence Nokia exclusive deal even with carriers. Now, WP is little known. With ecosystem launch MSFT can bet on other OEMs too. That phase of WP7 was to try and create a loyal following and bit of mindshare on the back of Nokia's mindshare while Nokia stops the slidings downfall from Symbian. Now it might be the right time when even other OEMs are interested to cash in on what is supposed to be the biggest launch of MSFT in it's history. This works well for MSFT too and hence HTC gets signature phones, Nokia gets exclusives and MSFT gets WP in plenty more hands. A happy family?

I do agree that Microsoft knew this all along. I mean it made sense what they did from a company perspective, but they didn't do any consumers any favors. If I were Microsoft to do it this way, I'd have gone with better minimum requirements, better software support. I'm not sure if they will do that anymore.
I'm on the fence...I like WP. I'm not a fan of how Microsoft has handled things. From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use like that than iOS.
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trappxl said:
From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use
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That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.

drupad2drupad said:
That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.
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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.

As a US consumer, I like both. I like Android to tinker and that's where my Galaxy Nexus comes in. I'm using BlackBean ROM as my daily driver and i love it. I haven't had any need to flash the other ROMs I have because this one fulfills my need to tinker but still have something stable enough to use daily.
But as a pure daily driver, WP fits my needs better. I like the Focus S a lot. I wish when I bought it I could have interlop unlocked it, but the one I bought was already updated. My carrier, T Mobile, took the mid range phones and 8GB onboard storage isn't enough for me.
Still, this is the second time MSFT has done this, the first being going from the HD2 and 6.5 to WP7. I give them credit in that they will have released Nodo, Mango, Tango and 7.8, but only Nodo and Mango were significant (7.8 not included, as it is still so TBD). They let the carriers have too much play because they did t hand the OS release correctly and killed some good devices in the Focus S, Titan 2 among others. If they wanted to be so much like Apple they should learn from the iPhone 3G update to iOS4.0.1. See how they gave the 3GS a ton of support? Its a shame but my guts says 7.8 will be as barren as Tango, which means I may not upgrade until WP 8 Gen 2 or WP9.
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blah blah blah... Same cries again... :bored:

Will WP7 forgotten OS? Well, not for me! I'm waiting for Lumia 510 to be launched in my country since my mom needs a replacement of her old battered phone. Next month, my sister will be buying her first smartphone. She will see and compare WP7 and WP8. If she doesn't see enough advantages of WP8 over WP7 then she will pick WP7.
This pretty much should explain views of an average consumer.

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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.
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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.

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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.
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I agree with you that from business point, it's not worth too much for MS. But still, they put a lot effort to get this tiny share of smartphone market and with this act, they might just lose many of those that's quite unhappy about the fact they got dumped. I have a WP, an android tab and a iPhone, when apple released iOS6, I found iPhone 3gs still can take some advantage of the new OS, which is quite amazing given my tab won't be supported for any new updates and my WP will be in the dark. So seems to me, investing in iPhone is a better idea somehow, the quality is better than those OEMs too. (my monthly bill will be the same for iPhone or WP with LTE)
I don't mean to argue anything, it is just my feeling of the strategy every different companies chose, preference of those companies. I was firmly against iPhone because I have Sprint which had no iPhone to choose from and I won't pay for the overhead. Then Sprint brought in iPhone and I got one and am happy about the result, proved that it is not just a hype. Myself, I was using TP2 then switched to WP(got for free) and I'm happy mostly after a long time(got used to those craps eventually) and will keep using that WP(had to do a repair because of part of the screen stopped responding)

I'm not trying to flog a dead horse here but not everyone has cash to upgrade at the launch of new tech. As long as MSFT provides some support for WP7 and doesn't completely kill it, then I'd be more incline to stay with WP. Yes the average Joe won't hack their phone but at least with Android if you pay attention and read the forums rooting your phone is worth something a bit more.
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I'm happy with my Gen 1 HTC hd7. Even after tmobile killed it, the custom roms kept coming. And eventually I plan on getting the htc 8x. My HTC has been solid for two years now. Wp8 will have everything my WP 7.8, but better hardware and specs. I'm not too involved in development, but theres lots of homebrew apps. If you want a solid, os go with wp8. If you want more customization, go android. You want last year go ios.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only things I want out of 7.8 are a file explorer and the ability to sync whatever files I want. I'm talking about doc files if you add to them or whatnot they automatically sync when you plug in your phone. I had that setup on my wm 6.5
The obvious start screen we all know we're getting.
A notification hub or bar or whatever
Customization options for ring tones (already have but you know what I mean) custom sms, email, alarm alerts
and for me I would love to be able to have a lock screen with a lot more versatility. For instance an app like amazing weather could push current weather conditions with animations to the lock screen.
Would that make most of us happy? So let's see if MS gives it to us but I won't hold my breath.

See, there is still too much that MSFT locked down in WP7. Some of the HTC devices, like the Mozart, had a LED that could be used for notifications. The Titan's notification LED is a bit more useful, but the one thing in used to love about my BB9780 (my G Nex does this too) is how you could assign different colors for different types of notifications. An orange LED for missed calls and notifications would have been enough.
What I would love to see is the ability to open an app from the lockscreen by tapping on the notification. We can already control the music player from lock screen, why not a medium to long press on an email icon at the bottom of the lock screen to slide up the lock sreen then open the email app? I think that would help for those missed notifications that you don't see when they come in at the top bar in real time. They could also give us the last five types of notifications and save the "us choosing what five we want to get notifications for" as I read they may do in WP8.
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I don't think Microsoft (and Nokia) will completely abandon WP7. Nokia did say that apps that don't require hardware support from the new WP8 devices (such as NFC and multi-core processors) will be available for WP7.x.
Although I'm hoping that newer games such as the new Angry Birds Star Wars (to be released on November 8) from Rovio would be available for WP7.8 users. (After reading the press release, they did say that the game will be available for Windows Phone - here's me hoping that by windows phone they meant both 7.x and 8 users).
Besides, why are we berating Microsoft and Nokia? This happens even to Android and iOS users. Motorola recently posted an announcement explaining why not every devices they have in the market will be upgradable to Android Ice Cream Sandwich, HTC also once announced that its Desire line of handsets would not be upgradable to Gingerbread (although backlash from angry users prompted HTC to create a version of Gingerbread with some memory intensive features removed). iOS is also not an exception. Sure, your 3GS can be upgraded to iOS 6 but try downloading a new app and, oh wait: only compatible with 4th generation iPhone and iPod Touch (pretty sure it will change to "compatible with 5th generation iPhone and iPod Touch only). So, yeah, you have iOS 6 on paper but you don't really have iOS 6 in all its glory.
Do we really need a new operating system when our current OS does everything we need flawlessly? I think I'd find it harder to stomach thinking that my Lumia 800 has WP8 but can't actually do what WP8 was set out to do. I'd stick with my Lumia for the moment and after two years, upgrade to a (hopefully its still there) new Nokia Lumia running the latest WP-OS.