I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device? and some of you askings are already there i use 7.8 and have the new start screen, some new colors are also there. And i can tell you i'am realy good served with 7.8 and the feature set of 7.5! belive me that most people would buy an 7.8 before an wp8 device, i think of normal consumers. Normal consumers want "cheaper phones" but good phones, that an Lumia 900 on 7.8 for me and it cost now only a half of a lumia 920! is the lumia 920 realy worth twice? i think no! generally speaking as a long time wp7 user. It has not so much new features which are worth now to pay 600€ for a lumia 920. and with the lumia price drop to about 320€ it is only the half. it can be also found to 300€.
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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device?
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Same way as iOS has passbook app? They don't have NFC but passbook can help keep stuff in one place secure - boarding passes, credit cards, store cards blah blah.
So yeah wallet hub can have possible uses even without any NFC support.
Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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Most likely they won't - at least Nokia won't. Considering how huge its feature phone market is, if anything it will try and push all the old WP7.x phones as "first smartphones" to those feature phone customers. To be honest, none of the WP7.x are that complicated or feature loaded to overwhelm or underwhelm a beginner in smartphone world. Believe it or not, feature phone market is much much much bigger than smartphone world. These WP7.x babies can easily beat any low end entry level Android!
I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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OR may be as few threads about 3-4 months back discussed at lengths that MSFT knew it all along. WP8 was in making even before the launch of WP7. For such a giant company it makes sense to have it all planned. With WP7 there was no way OEM other than Nokia would go full-on with it. Hence Nokia exclusive deal even with carriers. Now, WP is little known. With ecosystem launch MSFT can bet on other OEMs too. That phase of WP7 was to try and create a loyal following and bit of mindshare on the back of Nokia's mindshare while Nokia stops the slidings downfall from Symbian. Now it might be the right time when even other OEMs are interested to cash in on what is supposed to be the biggest launch of MSFT in it's history. This works well for MSFT too and hence HTC gets signature phones, Nokia gets exclusives and MSFT gets WP in plenty more hands. A happy family?
I do agree that Microsoft knew this all along. I mean it made sense what they did from a company perspective, but they didn't do any consumers any favors. If I were Microsoft to do it this way, I'd have gone with better minimum requirements, better software support. I'm not sure if they will do that anymore.
I'm on the fence...I like WP. I'm not a fan of how Microsoft has handled things. From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use like that than iOS.
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From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use
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That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.
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That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.
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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.
As a US consumer, I like both. I like Android to tinker and that's where my Galaxy Nexus comes in. I'm using BlackBean ROM as my daily driver and i love it. I haven't had any need to flash the other ROMs I have because this one fulfills my need to tinker but still have something stable enough to use daily.
But as a pure daily driver, WP fits my needs better. I like the Focus S a lot. I wish when I bought it I could have interlop unlocked it, but the one I bought was already updated. My carrier, T Mobile, took the mid range phones and 8GB onboard storage isn't enough for me.
Still, this is the second time MSFT has done this, the first being going from the HD2 and 6.5 to WP7. I give them credit in that they will have released Nodo, Mango, Tango and 7.8, but only Nodo and Mango were significant (7.8 not included, as it is still so TBD). They let the carriers have too much play because they did t hand the OS release correctly and killed some good devices in the Focus S, Titan 2 among others. If they wanted to be so much like Apple they should learn from the iPhone 3G update to iOS4.0.1. See how they gave the 3GS a ton of support? Its a shame but my guts says 7.8 will be as barren as Tango, which means I may not upgrade until WP 8 Gen 2 or WP9.
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blah blah blah... Same cries again... :bored:
Will WP7 forgotten OS? Well, not for me! I'm waiting for Lumia 510 to be launched in my country since my mom needs a replacement of her old battered phone. Next month, my sister will be buying her first smartphone. She will see and compare WP7 and WP8. If she doesn't see enough advantages of WP8 over WP7 then she will pick WP7.
This pretty much should explain views of an average consumer.
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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.
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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.
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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.
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I agree with you that from business point, it's not worth too much for MS. But still, they put a lot effort to get this tiny share of smartphone market and with this act, they might just lose many of those that's quite unhappy about the fact they got dumped. I have a WP, an android tab and a iPhone, when apple released iOS6, I found iPhone 3gs still can take some advantage of the new OS, which is quite amazing given my tab won't be supported for any new updates and my WP will be in the dark. So seems to me, investing in iPhone is a better idea somehow, the quality is better than those OEMs too. (my monthly bill will be the same for iPhone or WP with LTE)
I don't mean to argue anything, it is just my feeling of the strategy every different companies chose, preference of those companies. I was firmly against iPhone because I have Sprint which had no iPhone to choose from and I won't pay for the overhead. Then Sprint brought in iPhone and I got one and am happy about the result, proved that it is not just a hype. Myself, I was using TP2 then switched to WP(got for free) and I'm happy mostly after a long time(got used to those craps eventually) and will keep using that WP(had to do a repair because of part of the screen stopped responding)
I'm not trying to flog a dead horse here but not everyone has cash to upgrade at the launch of new tech. As long as MSFT provides some support for WP7 and doesn't completely kill it, then I'd be more incline to stay with WP. Yes the average Joe won't hack their phone but at least with Android if you pay attention and read the forums rooting your phone is worth something a bit more.
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I'm happy with my Gen 1 HTC hd7. Even after tmobile killed it, the custom roms kept coming. And eventually I plan on getting the htc 8x. My HTC has been solid for two years now. Wp8 will have everything my WP 7.8, but better hardware and specs. I'm not too involved in development, but theres lots of homebrew apps. If you want a solid, os go with wp8. If you want more customization, go android. You want last year go ios.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only things I want out of 7.8 are a file explorer and the ability to sync whatever files I want. I'm talking about doc files if you add to them or whatnot they automatically sync when you plug in your phone. I had that setup on my wm 6.5
The obvious start screen we all know we're getting.
A notification hub or bar or whatever
Customization options for ring tones (already have but you know what I mean) custom sms, email, alarm alerts
and for me I would love to be able to have a lock screen with a lot more versatility. For instance an app like amazing weather could push current weather conditions with animations to the lock screen.
Would that make most of us happy? So let's see if MS gives it to us but I won't hold my breath.
See, there is still too much that MSFT locked down in WP7. Some of the HTC devices, like the Mozart, had a LED that could be used for notifications. The Titan's notification LED is a bit more useful, but the one thing in used to love about my BB9780 (my G Nex does this too) is how you could assign different colors for different types of notifications. An orange LED for missed calls and notifications would have been enough.
What I would love to see is the ability to open an app from the lockscreen by tapping on the notification. We can already control the music player from lock screen, why not a medium to long press on an email icon at the bottom of the lock screen to slide up the lock sreen then open the email app? I think that would help for those missed notifications that you don't see when they come in at the top bar in real time. They could also give us the last five types of notifications and save the "us choosing what five we want to get notifications for" as I read they may do in WP8.
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I don't think Microsoft (and Nokia) will completely abandon WP7. Nokia did say that apps that don't require hardware support from the new WP8 devices (such as NFC and multi-core processors) will be available for WP7.x.
Although I'm hoping that newer games such as the new Angry Birds Star Wars (to be released on November 8) from Rovio would be available for WP7.8 users. (After reading the press release, they did say that the game will be available for Windows Phone - here's me hoping that by windows phone they meant both 7.x and 8 users).
Besides, why are we berating Microsoft and Nokia? This happens even to Android and iOS users. Motorola recently posted an announcement explaining why not every devices they have in the market will be upgradable to Android Ice Cream Sandwich, HTC also once announced that its Desire line of handsets would not be upgradable to Gingerbread (although backlash from angry users prompted HTC to create a version of Gingerbread with some memory intensive features removed). iOS is also not an exception. Sure, your 3GS can be upgraded to iOS 6 but try downloading a new app and, oh wait: only compatible with 4th generation iPhone and iPod Touch (pretty sure it will change to "compatible with 5th generation iPhone and iPod Touch only). So, yeah, you have iOS 6 on paper but you don't really have iOS 6 in all its glory.
Do we really need a new operating system when our current OS does everything we need flawlessly? I think I'd find it harder to stomach thinking that my Lumia 800 has WP8 but can't actually do what WP8 was set out to do. I'd stick with my Lumia for the moment and after two years, upgrade to a (hopefully its still there) new Nokia Lumia running the latest WP-OS.
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http://m.gizmodo.com/5902860/every-windows-phone-ever-will-get-the-windows-phone-8-upgrade
Good news...
Hopefully because I just bought a Lumia 800 to change my trophy.
I want to believe this but, till a solid direct from Microsoft says it, not at developer evangelist for Microsoft, I will believe it.
If you look at all the facts, there has not been a single word about this directly from Microsoft in the last few months. There is a lot of factors why older devices might not get WP8, new hardware, new standards on displays, etc.
So, as it gets closer to an acutal release and Microsoft says something clearly stating that all first and 2nd gen devices will get Windows Phone 8, I will believe it.
Personly, I expect it. WHy ? The biggest problem with Android is fragmentation. One *new* device comes with 2.3 others come with 4.0 and most people who are not part of XDA (and not afraid to "root" their phone) wont see or even attempt to upgrade. As a buyer goes, I want the newest sofware on my device when I buy it and it's a much better value if I can have the current version a year down the line. This is what Microsoft needs to do to keep growing WP7 device sales.
Time will tell but, again till Microsoft says it, it's just another rumor....
I agree wholeheartedly.
I'd even be happy if older devices got a "subset" of WP8, to be honest. However, with that said, I'm still using my first gen Samsung Focus, it's gotten nothing but faster and more feature complete with each update, and it's been my intention all along to grab a WP8 native devices when they come out, so I'll be OK either way.
One thing I'm glad for: even if WP7 first generation devices don't wind up with an upgrade, Microsoft has been very conscientious about making each update trimmer and faster than the one before, so people "stuck" with WP7 aren't going to be screwed over by a crappy software update that cripples their device, a la Apple with the iOS4/iPhone 3G debacle. And honestly, if the first gen WP8 devices aren't up to what I expect, well, then I'm happy to keep using my first generation device until they do get their. I'm hoping to hell that all the secrecy surrounding WP8 means that it'll be a mind blowing spec, with a full-bore implementation of TellMe, integrated Kinect camera and mic array, etc. Time will tell!
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I want to believe this but, till a solid direct from Microsoft says it, not at developer evangelist for Microsoft, I will believe it.
If you look at all the facts, there has not been a single word about this directly from Microsoft in the last few months. There is a lot of factors why older devices might not get WP8, new hardware, new standards on displays, etc.
So, as it gets closer to an acutal release and Microsoft says something clearly stating that all first and 2nd gen devices will get Windows Phone 8, I will believe it.
Personly, I expect it. WHy ? The biggest problem with Android is fragmentation. One *new* device comes with 2.3 others come with 4.0 and most people who are not part of XDA (and not afraid to "root" their phone) wont see or even attempt to upgrade. As a buyer goes, I want the newest sofware on my device when I buy it and it's a much better value if I can have the current version a year down the line. This is what Microsoft needs to do to keep growing WP7 device sales.
Time will tell but, again till Microsoft says it, it's just another rumor....
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Interesting tweets from Paul Thurrott.
andrewje_home: @thurrott what's your take on the wp7 -> wp8 upgrade rumours? Would be silly of MS to cut off existing users. There lack of comment is poor.
thurrott: @andrewje_home There is no way they will broadly support upgrades. I'd be surprised if a single phone was upgradeable.
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192632302591942656
Kee: @thurrott buying 900 and no update after 6 months. That sucks
thurrott: @eskeemo What makes you think there will be "no update"?
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192633133559066625
I have seen a post that old phones will get an update but it won't be Windows 8. Wonder if Paul is also implying this.
eldarmurtazin: @verge they have Apollo style update in pipeline for wp7 (ui, some apps, tweaks). But it isn't Apollo. People will like it I think
https://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin/status/192500720371638272
Yes, I know the source isn't always the most reliable
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Interesting tweets from Paul Thurrott.
andrewje_home: @thurrott what's your take on the wp7 -> wp8 upgrade rumours? Would be silly of MS to cut off existing users. There lack of comment is poor.
thurrott: @andrewje_home There is no way they will broadly support upgrades. I'd be surprised if a single phone was upgradeable.
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192632302591942656
Kee: @thurrott buying 900 and no update after 6 months. That sucks
thurrott: @eskeemo What makes you think there will be "no update"?
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192633133559066625
I have seen a post that old phones will get an update but it won't be Windows 8. Wonder if Paul is also implying this.
eldarmurtazin: @verge they have Apollo style update in pipeline for wp7 (ui, some apps, tweaks). But it isn't Apollo. People will like it I think
https://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin/status/192500720371638272
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And this is the thing. People are thinking because they don't get the "Apollo" OS that they won't get feature & tweak updates ect. They will.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5903416/current-windows-phones-may-not-be-getting-upgraded-after-all
So. No. I'll have to change my thread title. Ah. Rumors.
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And this is the thing. People are thinking because they don't get the "Apollo" OS that they won't get feature & tweak updates ect. They will.
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Yeah there are already two versions of Tango in the pipeline, the one going on the 256MB devices and the one that's a refresh for Mango. So why not two Apollo's.
Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.
That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
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Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.
That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
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Apple design his own hardware.
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Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.
That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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& in his definition of fragmentation, Apple is too. There will always be fragmentation when you add new features/enhance/mature an OS. The problem with fragmentation that MS was talking about is that what you can do on an Android is wholly dependent on the device you have. My ex-roommates have non top of the line Androids & they are total garbage. You have no flash support, no hotspot support, it lags to all hell (ui takes seconds to respond to touch input)/etc. All WP7's look the same & perform almost the same. This is the kind of fragmentation MS was talking about. How a Top tier Android could have all these cool features & be fast & smooth while low end devices are garbage.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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Is that like telling lumia 800 users they should've bought lumia 900 if they wanted internet sharing capabilities?
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Is that like telling lumia 800 users they should've bought lumia 900 if they wanted internet sharing capabilities?
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No.
Because internet sharing is present even on Lumia 800 and doesn't need any extra hardwares. You missed the exact point I was making.
However, if Lumia 800 users wanted a 4.3 inches screen with LTE support and FFC, then they should have waited for Lumia 900. Similarly if anyone wants a dual-core processor and high screen res to show off, they shouldn't buy Lumia 900 because MSFT Apollo won't obviously add those hardware features to any phone! Hence anything that depends on dual-core processor (it won't be the OS!) will not work on Lumia 900.
If you need a gyroscope for an app or a feature which Windows Phone 8 will have in it's "required hardware specs" - you cannot expect that feature to show up on old phones. They don't have the hardware to support the OS/software.
However, if WP UI overhaul takes place or added features like folders, shortcuts, IE improvement, Office or any other added integration like Skype kicks in, I don't see why current hardware won't be able to support it! It will. It can. 1Ghz is more than enough as it is. These added features don't need extra processor. May be extra memory? So then Nokia Lumia 610 might seem a little slow if that.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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Indeed, 5 phones, but second generation got 3 years of support. That's remarkable, lets admit. I dont like iPhone, but I envy how Apple just go, release their updates without carriers crying around, at the same time to everyone. Lets give them some credit here.
And fragmentation is fragmentation. I never doubt my 3 months old iPhone wouldnt be updated. My Lumia, otherwise.. This silence of MS is making me anxious.
Just think, why MS would keep in secret something like "the second generation will be updated"?! Makes no sense. It's not marketing strategy, it's worse for them with all those rumors.
And everytime someone ask one of the team, they avoid the direct answer.
I had a HTC Trophy, and 3 months ago bought a Lumia 800. I regret that for now.
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No.
Because internet sharing is present even on Lumia 800 and doesn't need any extra hardwares. You missed the exact point I was making.
However, if Lumia 800 users wanted a 4.3 inches screen with LTE support and FFC, then they should have waited for Lumia 900. Similarly if anyone wants a dual-core processor and high screen res to show off, they shouldn't buy Lumia 900 because MSFT Apollo won't obviously add those hardware features to any phone! Hence anything that depends on dual-core processor (it won't be the OS!) will not work on Lumia 900.
If you need a gyroscope for an app or a feature which Windows Phone 8 will have in it's "required hardware specs" - you cannot expect that feature to show up on old phones. They don't have the hardware to support the OS/software.
However, if WP UI overhaul takes place or added features like folders, shortcuts, IE improvement, Office or any other added integration like Skype kicks in, I don't see why current hardware won't be able to support it! It will. It can. 1Ghz is more than enough as it is. These added features don't need extra processor. May be extra memory? So then Nokia Lumia 610 might seem a little slow if that.
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Sorry that a link to a picture of something resembling a phone screen with Chinese characters and a bunch of speculation in English text underneath.
People throw fragmentation all over the Android world, yet turn blind eye to things like Bing non-support in markets where MSFT launched their product, etc.
Simply put, there are too many excuses surrounding this platform, and MSFT seem to play that card pretty well with 90% satisfaction rate as the one of few statistics thrown around.
http://andrewtechhelp.com/andrews-t...feature-availability-matrix-the-mango-edition
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bmstrong said:
http://m.gizmodo.com/5902860/every-windows-phone-ever-will-get-the-windows-phone-8-upgrade
Good news...
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We heard this about the HTC HD2 and moving to Windows 7.
Safety Notice:
DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH
But still, even if 8 isn't officially released, you can put money on a port. Gotta love XDA.
EDITED: NOT HAPPENING.
If my Lumia doesn't get the new kernel and UI and MSFT pulls a Galaxy S feature pack they can kiss my behind goodbye
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narta said:
If my Lumia doesn't get the new kernel and UI and MSFT pulls a Galaxy S feature pack they can kiss my behind goodbye
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Goodbye!
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/wininfo-short-takes-april-20-2012-142888
Honestly, I find myself not caring at all. I didn't want to stay on my old WP7 handset, I didn't want to switch to Android or iPhone. Instead I'm going to enjoy this fantastic Lumia 900 until I feel it's time to move to Apollo at the end of the year or early next year. I can take it back still, but I don't want to. I know people still on Gingerbread that are perfectly happy, I myself declined the honeycomb update on my tablet. Stop freaking out about specs and updates and versions in the future and just enjoy your phone.
But yes this is still not official, still plenty of time to change their stance.
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Goodbye!
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/wininfo-short-takes-april-20-2012-142888
Honestly, I find myself not caring at all. I didn't want to stay on my old WP7 handset, I didn't want to switch to Android or iPhone. Instead I'm going to enjoy this fantastic Lumia 900 until I feel it's time to move to Apollo at the end of the year or early next year. I can take it back still, but I don't want to. I know people still on Gingerbread that are perfectly happy, I myself declined the honeycomb update on my tablet. Stop freaking out about specs and updates and versions in the future and just enjoy your phone.
But yes this is still not official, still plenty of time to change their stance.
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I think it's wrong that MSFT is allowing such harmful speculation as to the support of previous generation devices. Their silence is allowing people to get in a tizzy over what could be absolutely nothing. I met someone last month at a dinner party who works at MSFT and said that Apollo runs beautifully on the Lumia 900.
I find flaw with the article you linked when it said...
"Second, the experience would be terrible; Windows Phone 8 is based on Windows 8, not Windows Phone 7.x, and requires headier, higher-end hardware with two or more core processors."
This is in direct opposition to the entire purpose of the Tango release to allow for lower-end hardware. Why would MSFT make an effort to allow for more affordable devices if the WP8 platform won't work on them in the future? This means that lower-end devices will never exist on WP8 until dual core becomes cheap.
Rather, what I think this article gets wrong is that WP8 does not require dual core, but allows for it to exist in the first place.
WP7 has a high floor and a low ceiling. Tango lowered the floor and Apollo will be raising the ceiling. Whether we'll get the update is up in the air, but I'm personally anticipating it to happen.
MSFT does need to stop being so secretive though. It's hard to build and keep a fanbase under the current business model.
So the nokia lumia 900 have been out now for months, the title of the thread says it: is there a jailbreak or its equivalent for the lumia 900? if not, is it coming in the future??
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bertin89 said:
So the nokia lumia 900 have been out now for months, the title of the thread says it: is there a jailbreak or its equivalent for the lumia 900? if not, is it coming in the future??
Thanks
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ummm...<looking over my shoulder> ....is this your first windows phone....
bertin89 said:
So the nokia lumia 900 have been out now for months, the title of the thread says it: is there a jailbreak or its equivalent for the lumia 900? if not, is it coming in the future??
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Sideloading, it's called a DEV unlock. MS stopped supported it a little bit ago.
http://labs.chevronwp7.com
actually you can still dev unlock your nokia lumia 900, just there isnt much you can do that way.
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Sideloading, it's called a DEV unlock. MS stopped supported it a little bit ago.
http://labs.chevronwp7.com
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I think you might be a touched mixed up here. Dev Unlock is still available. It requires registration with MS via marketplace, and does cost $$, though there are several options. The Chevron unlock took advantage of a hole in the OS Scheme to produce a similar unlock. Microsoft did close that hole in NODO I believe. For a short while a variation of the Chevron unlock was available, with support from MS. I believe this has now expired and is no longer available.
Whether or not a true jail break will be available for the lumia is unknown. MS appears to have put a good deal of effort into this type of security. This is not to say it won't be broken. Also, to say the great minds of XDA are on it. Maybe some of the great minds, most likely few to none. Most of the great minds of XDA are android based, where hacking, modding and rooting, though not exactly easy, is common.
With all that said, I'd like to believe, nothing is really impossible...except may be the Cubs winning the World Series.
It is somewhat ironic that the most secure platform (to date) is the least supported. You'd think developers would be more inclined to produce for a platform where their software isn't likely to be pirated. Obviously there is the issue of WP selling less than iOs or Android phones but that's due to lack of apps!
This is my first Windows Phone and so far loving it and I would not want to pirat any software.
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It is somewhat ironic that the most secure platform (to date) is the least supported. You'd think developers would be more inclined to produce for a platform where their software isn't likely to be pirated. Obviously there is the issue of WP selling less than iOs or Android phones but that's due to lack of apps!
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That is an interesting point.. I guess they (developers) care more about volume, than anything else.
People seem to love the platform tho.. You rearly hear people complain about WP, so that is indeed good news for Microsoft and Nokia.. the developers will follow the consumers.
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It is somewhat ironic that the most secure platform (to date) is the least supported. You'd think developers would be more inclined to produce for a platform where their software isn't likely to be pirated. Obviously there is the issue of WP selling less than iOs or Android phones but that's due to lack of apps!
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There are always opinions by closet experts as to why things are the way they are. I can recall when Android came out...everyone laughed...Same for iPhone, both have gone on to change the industry.
I'm of the personal opinion that Windows Phone's place in the world is less about Android and Apple and more about Microsoft. Microsoft, for whatever reason, gave away the smart phone market. Perhaps through lack of foresite...or perhaps indifference, it doesn't matter. They went from First to Worst.
As you look at a renewed Microsoft, and the progress it has made attempting to catch up, you have to be impressed. Google and Apple have a keen idea looking straight at the Windows Phone. In 2 years they've gone from Gen 1 laughers( just like android) to competitive models, without sacrificing their core goals.
The list of complaints about Windows Phone is interesting:
-No customization
-Rooting
-No apps.
I'm really not sure how important they are in the scheme of things. You want a picture of your dog or grandma on the home screen....hmmmm
No rooting....what this breaks down to is trying to get something for free. How can I hotload ...sideload...a favorite app...or by pass the fee for tethering...
No Apps. Just how many apps do you need? The MS Marketplace is approaching 100k apps.Everyday, more and more name apps are coming to Windows Phone. How is this any different from what Android and Apple did? They did not have a full library for years.
In the Hardware range, the biggest complaints are:
-No dual/Quad Core
-No SD card
-Lack of Hardware offerings
Microsoft has said, they will not offer dual/quad core until they can resolve the battery issues. I do not want to be one of those people who says... " Hey, I got a Quad core thingy"....whose battery last 45 minutes. A small core of hardcore people use their phones to a more fuller potential than MOST other people. Using cloud storage and streaming, office integration...exchange and enterprise mails with Cloud capabilities. My girlfriend uses her Samsung Focus S more fully than I do my lumia. She runs an entire HR department, from her phone. It's amazing.
No SD card. This is a good one. We all want the ability to carry our stuff with us. But SD card integration is a hack. Its a hack in tablets, It's a hack in phones. Microsoft has said, until they can integrate it seemlessly, its not part of the design of their phones. Apple doesn't do it. People respect them. Android does do it....And Android is another word for hack.
Lack of Hardware: Is not exactly the fault of MS, Android or Apple. They write their wishlist. The OEMs come back with the designs. It was very obvious, Gen 1 got the bottom of the barrell. This years Mango's releases, got better. WP 8 should see competitive hardware and design.
Once the hardware for WP is on par with the 10,000 yearly Android releases, then the real battle will begin. I read something about xbox the other day....xbox sells more games than sony and nintendo combined. And Xbox is replacing Zune, extending into TV, and has a huge focus on the Marketplace.
The bottom line reality is this, in my opinion. Its all about $$. Android is attractive because, to the OEM, its free. Apple and WP both cost the OEM $$. But, Android is the least reliable hardware out there. Apple may be reliable and attractive, but it costs more...way more to the OEM. They are looking for a viable competitor. WP falls in the middle, with the added luxuary of being able to sync directly with a PC, Laptop, and I bet, a Tablet.
I think the odds of WP being way more successful in the future is strong...regardless of the number of apps. Do you really need 45,000 weather apps to scroll through, before you decide to download Weather Channel?
lumia 900
Hi all new to this forum, recently. Bought. The lumia and love it compared to my last phone (android os). I came across a site called mobile9 that did themes for the lumia. I loved all the different choices of tiled live themes but to no avail I could not download the xap file as windows doesn't support it. I looked everywhere and came about chevron wp7 I sent the cert file to my phone in an email and saved the cert to my phone all looked promising untill the next bit. I was required to open the chevron.exe file it came up with two tick boxes one for a pin lock check and one for something else. I clicked the unlock button and it came up with a oops error saying make sure my usb is connected which it was and make sure Zune is up which it was. It says that it can't connect coz of that. So if anybody knows what else I can do to get those groovy tiles on my phone then help please and in laymens terms as I don't understand technical jargon. Hope someone. Can help real frustrated.
spampocket said:
Hi all new to this forum, recently. Bought. The lumia and love it compared to my last phone (android os). I came across a site called mobile9 that did themes for the lumia. I loved all the different choices of tiled live themes but to no avail I could not download the xap file as windows doesn't support it. I looked everywhere and came about chevron wp7 I sent the cert file to my phone in an email and saved the cert to my phone all looked promising untill the next bit. I was required to open the chevron.exe file it came up with two tick boxes one for a pin lock check and one for something else. I clicked the unlock button and it came up with a oops error saying make sure my usb is connected which it was and make sure Zune is up which it was. It says that it can't connect coz of that. So if anybody knows what else I can do to get those groovy tiles on my phone then help please and in laymens terms as I don't understand technical jargon. Hope someone. Can help real frustrated.
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Probably can't use it anymore http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598062&page=2 and you needed a token from here http://labs.chevronwp7.com/ to use it in the first place.
alodar1 said:
There are always opinions by closet experts as to why things are the way they are. I can recall when Android came out...everyone laughed...Same for iPhone, both have gone on to change the industry.
I'm of the personal opinion that Windows Phone's place in the world is less about Android and Apple and more about Microsoft. Microsoft, for whatever reason, gave away the smart phone market. Perhaps through lack of foresite...or perhaps indifference, it doesn't matter. They went from First to Worst.
As you look at a renewed Microsoft, and the progress it has made attempting to catch up, you have to be impressed. Google and Apple have a keen idea looking straight at the Windows Phone. In 2 years they've gone from Gen 1 laughers( just like android) to competitive models, without sacrificing their core goals.
The list of complaints about Windows Phone is interesting:
-No customization
-Rooting
-No apps.
I'm really not sure how important they are in the scheme of things. You want a picture of your dog or grandma on the home screen....hmmmm
No rooting....what this breaks down to is trying to get something for free. How can I hotload ...sideload...a favorite app...or by pass the fee for tethering...
No Apps. Just how many apps do you need? The MS Marketplace is approaching 100k apps.Everyday, more and more name apps are coming to Windows Phone. How is this any different from what Android and Apple did? They did not have a full library for years.
In the Hardware range, the biggest complaints are:
-No dual/Quad Core
-No SD card
-Lack of Hardware offerings
Microsoft has said, they will not offer dual/quad core until they can resolve the battery issues. I do not want to be one of those people who says... " Hey, I got a Quad core thingy"....whose battery last 45 minutes. A small core of hardcore people use their phones to a more fuller potential than MOST other people. Using cloud storage and streaming, office integration...exchange and enterprise mails with Cloud capabilities. My girlfriend uses her Samsung Focus S more fully than I do my lumia. She runs an entire HR department, from her phone. It's amazing.
No SD card. This is a good one. We all want the ability to carry our stuff with us. But SD card integration is a hack. Its a hack in tablets, It's a hack in phones. Microsoft has said, until they can integrate it seemlessly, its not part of the design of their phones. Apple doesn't do it. People respect them. Android does do it....And Android is another word for hack.
Lack of Hardware: Is not exactly the fault of MS, Android or Apple. They write their wishlist. The OEMs come back with the designs. It was very obvious, Gen 1 got the bottom of the barrell. This years Mango's releases, got better. WP 8 should see competitive hardware and design.
Once the hardware for WP is on par with the 10,000 yearly Android releases, then the real battle will begin. I read something about xbox the other day....xbox sells more games than sony and nintendo combined. And Xbox is replacing Zune, extending into TV, and has a huge focus on the Marketplace.
The bottom line reality is this, in my opinion. Its all about $$. Android is attractive because, to the OEM, its free. Apple and WP both cost the OEM $$. But, Android is the least reliable hardware out there. Apple may be reliable and attractive, but it costs more...way more to the OEM. They are looking for a viable competitor. WP falls in the middle, with the added luxuary of being able to sync directly with a PC, Laptop, and I bet, a Tablet.
I think the odds of WP being way more successful in the future is strong...regardless of the number of apps. Do you really need 45,000 weather apps to scroll through, before you decide to download Weather Channel?
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Excellent post. Very much how I feel after using ICS, IOS for years.
Happily a WP7 user and will NEVER go back.
EMINENT1 said:
Excellent post. Very much how I feel after using ICS, IOS for years.
Happily a WP7 user and will NEVER go back.
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Thank you. However, I was a first generation Adopter, from, WM 6.5. I was NOT happy. I ran to Android and stayed there for a year. That year seemed like 5 though. I went through...oh heck....you see my sig line. There is something to be said for a phone that just works.
There will always be phones that have features you wish yours had. But, I very much try to be fair about it, meaning....do I want that ability to by pass fees....or do I truely think that phone is better. For me the Nexus 1 was awesome....I still have it. When the hacks took over and started mucking with it....some of the functionality lost its luster....and the excitment about a phone that works disappeared.
I'll be honest here.....since I got my Samsung Focus S, coming over from a Droid Bionic, I have not looked at an Android. I was focued solely on WP. When the 900 came out....I've looked at nothing else. I have had to adjust my impressions of the phones....instead of thinking ...whats next....I now think...what can I do. I've experienced no lack of focus or functionality with my Lumia since I turned it on. Using the cloud, I now use it for about 80% of all my electronic needs away from the Desktop computer at work. I turn on the laptop at home occasionally. I have a Kindle Fire, yes, a droid, for my reading pleasure. But Windows Phone has solidified my preference for a simple solid device...that does not require hacking to extend functionality or evade costs. Thats not a jab at people who do root. I've just grown tired of it. Want wifi to really work....install this hack. What to tether...for free...install this hack..but don't complain about what you can't do afterwards...
I like the direction of Windows Phone. Its not perfect, wasn't designed to be. But I am looking forward to WP8 and Win8 tablets and integration across the board. Its just simple...and it just works...
@Alodar1
I like what you wrote in this thread!
I am expecting a Lumia 900 in the mail, but was surprised that WP7 does not allow WIFI to stay on after sleep. Now I am considering selling the 900 since I find myself a lot of times in areas with no reception and where WIFI is abundant (university campus).
Ringtones
Number one reason for me to jailbreak my Lumia 900 is to assign full songs as ringtones. No, please don't tell me cut & edit songs it's a chores, really. I want it just touch and pick. Yes, I am still using my HTC android phone to date and the lumia is for Tom & Jerry entertainment D). If the Lumia 900 is announced non-upgrade-able to Apollo then mine will go on craigslist. I bet many lumia 900 owners will be pissed as well.
My first smartphone ever was a WinMo and I say that I would defend Microsoft mobile platform. However, WinPhone isn't really inbetween iOS and Android in terms of functionality. iOS locks everything down along with Apple the only hardware maker. Android has flash and other goodies customizations and comes in many forms from different OEMs. WinPhone, really, is just a locked down optimized OS and different form factors! It doesn't get popular because it doesn't have goodies on both side, namely, FLASH. Form factor isn't enough to buy Android users, and locked down system won't sway iOS users either, because WinPhone comes quite late into the game. Honestly, integrating flash and allowing freedom of ringtones would make WinPhone more attractive to the average consumers (they want to visit flash videos on the go, they want to hear their custom ringtones). Bottom line is WinPhone offers nothing new, feature wise, to the mobile world... Plus, Microsoft made a very bad move with initial WinPhone release: an incomplete OS. The result was obvious that it couldn't compete with the other two established mobile platforms and lost its ground even further.
Damn, had no idea how important, full length custom ringtones were. Took me 15 minutes to make nine of them. And there are apps that will pluck clips from the Internet for you, or even do the editing part for your full length tracks. Full length ringtones are resource hogs. And have no place in WP.
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I agree with those who have issue with certain customization issues. What I want from my 900 is the ability to add whatever ringtones I want, whatever sounds for sms alerts I want and a full blown file explorer.
I don't care about locks and I don't care about paying for apps. As far as I'm concerned, someone took the time to make the app it only makes sense they get paid for it. I view apps the same way I view music. If it's a quality product I'll gladly pay for it. ...don't get me started on what I think if it's not a quality product.
All that being said I want to be able to add sounds I want to be able to add and organize my pictures (the way I want) and I want to be able to add the apps I want. (some perfectly good third party apps that aren't on the marketplace for whatever reason, I'm speaking of the batter percentage app)
All this said I love my 900 and I do hope Apollo will solve the couple of minor issues because if it does, well it will just be that much better now won't it.
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@Alodar1
I like what you wrote in this thread!
I am expecting a Lumia 900 in the mail, but was surprised that WP7 does not allow WIFI to stay on after sleep. Now I am considering selling the 900 since I find myself a lot of times in areas with no reception and where WIFI is abundant (university campus).
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And if it doesn't work for you, you should move to something that does. Its why you buy certain phones in the first place. I've never thought about WIFI. I have strong wifi at home and at work....so I never really miss anything. I might have to do a test sometime...to see how I could be impacted with wifi off, during a rest period....it may change my mind....
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Damn, had no idea how important, full length custom ringtones were. Took me 15 minutes to make nine of them. And there are apps that will pluck clips from the Internet for you, or even do the editing part for your full length tracks. Full length ringtones are resource hogs. And have no place in WP.
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Anyone who wants custom ringtones and make them pretty quick for their windows phone there is an app called YouRang which is very easy to use and its GREAT!!! also you can make ringtones quickly!
xsever said:
@Alodar1
I like what you wrote in this thread!
I am expecting a Lumia 900 in the mail, but was surprised that WP7 does not allow WIFI to stay on after sleep. Now I am considering selling the 900 since I find myself a lot of times in areas with no reception and where WIFI is abundant (university campus).
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you heard wrong
my wifi is always on and working in the background
With the release of WP8 and cutoff of supports for the current WP7 lineups, MS just shot themselves in the foot by doing two things:
_ Introduce fragmentation: now developers have to work extra harder to support both the existing WP7.x customers and the new WP8 customer base.
_ Piss off and alienating all the customers that have been with MS through ups and downs: note that this is more important because WP has never been popular, most people will either get an Android or iPhone and only the loyal and diehards get WP7. With this announcement, MS has effectively give all its loyal users the middle finger. For users who haven't abandoned WP despite being shafted by the whole HD2 and WM6.5 fiasco, this will be the LAST STRAW, trust me.
A bit about my phone history, I have had an HD2, a Samsung Focus and a Dell Venue Pro but no more, I will not give M$ another chance. Trick me once, shame on you, trick me twice shame on me. History will repeat itself, MS will once again abandon users of WP8 and WP8.5 when announcing WP9. The only ones who haven't realized this is the die-hard MS fanboys who are keep on coming back to M$ no matter how bad M$ treats them.
Heed my advices, give other platforms a try and use this as a breakup point for this abusive relationship. M$ doesn't deserve your money and your time. Use that money to buy something that will be properly supported and more importantly you will be treated like a valuable customer.
that is what i'm planning to do, the WP7.5 market is still under 100k apps if i'm not mistaken, if i'm a developer, do i actually continue to make SW for the 7.5 or 8 group? if i start producing for 8, how much customer base does M$ gonna guarantee to have? i'm switching back to android for my next phone, but for the time being, i'll still use the 900 for some period of time coz i actually like the design... but M$ just gave another reason for developer NOT to develop apps for them...
darren486 said:
that is what i'm planning to do, the WP7.5 market is still under 100k apps if i'm not mistaken, if i'm a developer, do i actually continue to make SW for the 7.5 or 8 group? if i start producing for 8, how much customer base does M$ gonna guarantee to have? i'm switching back to android for my next phone, but for the time being, i'll still use the 900 for some period of time coz i actually like the design... but M$ just gave another reason for developer NOT to develop apps for them...
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TROLLS.....Ask yourself this question:
If you have a 3GS iphone with IOS 5 is it the same as the 4s??
MS will update all phones but if you don't have the hardware to take full advantage of OS it is NOT their fault.
Apple, Android and everybody else do the same...
Enough with this iPhone 3GS BS, the 3GS is over 3 years old. How long are you fanboys going to use that as an excuse to justify how the Lumia users were treated ?
If you want to compare, let's compare iPhone 4. iPhone 4 was released in 2010 but they are still supported, they have the iOS 5 and will be able to take advantage of the iOS 6 kernel. You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
Stop fooling yourself and wake up. If you don't want to wake up, suit yourself. I am out of this rocky boat and will move to where I will be treated better.
Apple still omits some features from older phones when a new version of iOS is released. iOS 5 was released and the iPhone 4 didn't get Siri, however that phone is fully capable of running Siri. Talk about getting screwed.
Android users a lot of times don't even get the updates they need, it all depends on the device they have, and new/replacement Android phones are released at an insane rate as well.
By the time WP8 is released the Lumia will be roughly 7-8 months old.
I don't think Lumia 900 owners are totally getting screwed.
I am glad Microsoft will be adding some of features the Lumia 900 will be able to run efficiently. Otherwise adding full blown WP8 to the device may bog it down and it will run terrible.
The Lumia 900 also lacks the hardware for some of the new features such as NFC. Why add these software features to a phone that cannot take advantage of them.
This is how Apple, Google and Microsoft all do business.
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Enough with this iPhone 3GS BS, the 3GS is over 3 years old. How long are you fanboys going to use that as an excuse to justify how the Lumia users were treated ?
If you want to compare, let's compare iPhone 4. iPhone 4 was released in 2010 but they are still supported, they have the iOS 5 and will be able to take advantage of the iOS 6 kernel. You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
Stop fooling yourself and wake up. If you don't want to wake up, suit yourself. I am out of this rocky boat and will move to where I will be treated better.
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Very well said and the Lumia is way newer than older iPhone models that still got big chunks of the updates.
If Microsoft released WP8 for the Lumia and the phone couldn't handle it and ran sluggish people would *****, instead they are releasing WP 7.8 for it and people are *****ing.
No matter what Microsoft does, people are going to whine about it.
Welcome to the world of tech. If you are always worried about not having the latest and greatest, then you'd spend your time waiting for the next great device 3-6 months from now and you'd never buy a phone.
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You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
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Except that is exactly what is happening. It can't run every iOS 6 feature, including the headlining turn-by-turn navigation. It can't even run the headline iOS 5 feature, that's iPhone 4S exclusive too.
If Microsoft had just basically lied and called this the Windows Phone 8 update with some missing features, there would be no uproar. But because they opted not to take the Apple route, everyone's got their knickers in a twist.
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Except that is exactly what is happening. It can't run every iOS 6 feature, including the headlining turn-by-turn navigation. It can't even run the headline iOS 5 feature, that's iPhone 4S exclusive too.
If Microsoft had just basically lied and called this the Windows Phone 8 update with some missing features, there would be no uproar. But because they opted not to take the Apple route, everyone's got their knickers in a twist.
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I agree , the iphone 4 and 4S ,won't have NFC features ... No android phone has gotten an update in a timely fashion. Nokia and Ms are on top of it.
Plus with WP there is no need for Dual core and sd cards that is reserved for memory hogs with leaks , I won't mention names.
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With the release of WP8 and cutoff of supports for the current WP7 lineups...
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I stopped reading your uninformed rant right there. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the subject matter if you want people to take you seriously.
And every new iPhone comes out with 1 or two new exclusive features while the rest comes to older generations because of their appropriately phrased "hardware upgrade". WP is what? New generation has many new features while older generations get maybe 1 or 2 new things? Now if you think Apple is doing it wrong and MS is doing the right thing, it's time to look at sales chart and consumer satisfaction. Oh maybe you still think MS is right and ignore that very few people are with you on this boat.
Android, on the other hand, is well known for its fragmentation in update, everyone is aware of it. The deal is, Gingerbread is almost complete. Android is like an arm race "may the most powerful phone win" kind of thing. Android never boasts about update but the Nexus line did get its update. Had MS had enough balls to confirm the fate of the Lumia 900 before its launch, I doubt the sexy phone would have seen the light of day. Now if WP8 announces another type of marketplace, that would mean a death certificate has been signed for WP7.
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Except that is exactly what is happening. It can't run every iOS 6 feature, including the headlining turn-by-turn navigation. It can't even run the headline iOS 5 feature, that's iPhone 4S exclusive too.
If Microsoft had just basically lied and called this the Windows Phone 8 update with some missing features, there would be no uproar. But because they opted not to take the Apple route, everyone's got their knickers in a twist.
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Enough with this iPhone 3GS BS, the 3GS is over 3 years old. How long are you fanboys going to use that as an excuse to justify how the Lumia users were treated ?
If you want to compare, let's compare iPhone 4. iPhone 4 was released in 2010 but they are still supported, they have the iOS 5 and will be able to take advantage of the iOS 6 kernel. You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
Stop fooling yourself and wake up. If you don't want to wake up, suit yourself. I am out of this rocky boat and will move to where I will be treated better.
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if you want an iPhone, go buy an iPhone. But don't use wp8 as the excuse. Fanboy or no, any argument used to defend your point is wrong. Apple foes the same thing. Android is worse. So if you want an iPhone,go buy one. I hope you end up happy.
Ok, iPhone 4 might not be able to run all features available in iOS 6 but it has iOS 6 kernel and will be able to use all the apps made for iOS 6, what part of that do you guys not understand ?
Lumia 900 WILL NOT have the new kernel in WP8 and will be obsolete in a few months since it WILL NOT run apps made exclusively for WP8. Do you see iPhone 4 not being able to run any apps made exclusively for iPhone 4S ? Some features in iOS 6 are not included since any company has the right to reserve the latest and best features for their latest models. Everybody knows that.
Talking with you M$ fanboys is no better than talking to a brick. If you like the way you are treated, then good for you. Keep up supporting your beloved company, nobody is going to interfere. This thread is mainly for the new buyers or for the undecided to see how they have been f*cked by M$.
alodar1 said:
if you want an iPhone, go buy an iPhone. But don't use wp8 as the excuse. Fanboy or no, any argument used to defend your point is wrong. Apple foes the same thing. Android is worse. So if you want an iPhone,go buy one. I hope you end up happy.
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Wow I am speechless, this kind of ignorance is simply staggering. I was citing how Apple supports their customers, not a propaganda on why people should buy an iPhone.
And FYI, I WILL NOT buy an iPhone because I oppose Apple and their business practice. Instead, I will buy a Galaxy Nexus because I know I will be properly supported. Almost bought a Nokia Lumia 800 but luckily I didn't.
Already sold all my WP7 phones prior to the announcement since I had a bad feeling about it, luckily I did because people are dumping their phones on ebay now and Nokia Lumia 900 has been dropping in its value like crazy. If you don't believe me, check ebay. Have fun with your outdated and obsolete POS Nokia Lumia, folks.
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With the release of WP8 and cutoff of supports for the current WP7 lineups, MS just shot themselves in the foot by doing two things:
_ Introduce fragmentation: now developers have to work extra harder to support both the existing WP7.x customers and the new WP8 customer base.
_ Piss off and alienating all the customers that have been with MS through ups and downs: note that this is more important because WP has never been popular, most people will either get an Android or iPhone and only the loyal and diehards get WP7. With this announcement, MS has effectively give all its loyal users the middle finger. For users who haven't abandoned WP despite being shafted by the whole HD2 and WM6.5 fiasco, this will be the LAST STRAW, trust me.
A bit about my phone history, I have had an HD2, a Samsung Focus and a Dell Venue Pro but no more, I will not give M$ another chance. Trick me once, shame on you, trick me twice shame on me. History will repeat itself, MS will once again abandon users of WP8 and WP8.5 when announcing WP9. The only ones who haven't realized this is the die-hard MS fanboys who are keep on coming back to M$ no matter how bad M$ treats them.
Heed my advices, give other platforms a try and use this as a breakup point for this abusive relationship. M$ doesn't deserve your money and your time. Use that money to buy something that will be properly supported and more importantly you will be treated like a valuable customer.
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your premise already flawed. "Piss off and alienate all MS customers that have been through the UPS and downs"
I for one am neither pissed off nor alienated. I bought the first PPC v1 from MS. I've owned every version of windows mobile...several on fact. I've owned android and iPhones. I am NOT pissed off or alienated. And I count many, make that MANY people on XDA alone that are more like me, than you. I applause MS for drawing a line...so, so...i do not have problems trying to get 'NEXT' to run correctly in my phone. So my 'NEXT' phone can focus on running as well as it can. I also expect WP 9, or whatever to make the same hard choices.
I also know that as long as I keep my 900, it will be supported. It is not obsolete. It will only be obsolete when it stops being able to do what I bought it for. I know it will still be supported, long after I stop using it.
I respect your opinion. I respect your right to feel shafted. I respectfully say, you're wrong. This is still a great phone with a great future.
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RandomXIII said:
Wow I am speechless, this kind of ignorance is simply staggering. I was citing how Apple supports their customers, not a propaganda on why people should buy an iPhone.
And FYI, I WILL NOT buy an iPhone because I oppose Apple and their business practice. Instead, I will buy a Galaxy Nexus because I know I will be properly supported. Almost bought a Nokia Lumia 800 but luckily I didn't.
Already sold all my WP7 phones prior to the announcement since I had a bad feeling about it, luckily I did because people are dumping their phones on ebay now and Nokia Lumia 900 has been dropping in its value like crazy. If you don't believe me, check ebay. Have fun with your outdated and obsolete POS Nokia Lumia, folks.
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man...why couldn't you have become speechless, before you wrong this reply. Leave, please. Buy whatever device you wish. That Samsung is surely the greatest plone in the word...including explosions and plastic case. Its predecessor proved just how great android is. Have fun...enjoy...and please don't reply..my pos lumia doesn't explode, but it might get offended considering the galaxy of information you've presented.
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Lumia 900 WILL be obsolete in a few months since it WILL NOT run apps made exclusively for WP8.
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Whether you agree with the guy or not, that is a very valid point he is making!
We all know how good a smartphone is nowadays without lots of apps. (Symbian, WebOS, etc...)
Why don't we all take a deep breath, relax, and see if the creative geniuses a.k.a xda developers can cook something up when WP8 comes out. Shall we?
AnyMal said:
Why don't we all take a deep breath, relax, and see if the creative geniuses a.k.a xda developers can cook something up when WP8 comes out. Shall we?
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With the way MS has everything closed, I am starting to lose my hope. If it were to rain, we'd start seeing clouds by now
if people keep whining about every os that they have on their phone. Why dont you build your own OS from scratch. Sell it to someone. Let them hear complain about your stuff. DEYMN!!!
Go back to Dumb phone era so you could stop complaining
I'm not happy. I was expecting a WP 8 update. I want to know, however, what features are WP 7 users really not getting in 7.8?
NFC? - Don't have the hardware
higher resolution/dual cores etc - Not an expert but I'm guessing this can't be done
Wallet Hub- Needs NFC anyway I would think.
Better multitasking - This one would be nice to have, but I wouldn't be surprised if they included better multi-tasking for the lumia 900...if not...that sucks
Better Camera app - wouldn't be surprised if we got this...if not...what more funtionality does the camera app really need? Nokia camera just came out with panorama shots...you can get apps with burst shots...what are really lacking?
Believe me, I'm not happy about any of this...the behind our backs marketing of lumia 900 as the non-beta phone etc etc...i think it's a scam....but...what arguement are we actually making? What else do you want to see in the WP 7.8 package? I'm not saying this to say "you're wrong" I'm asking this because I honestly don't know the answer. If the update comes with better multitasking, start screen, and the guarantee that apps will work the same on 7.8 as on wp8...and that none of these features will create lag on the phone...i will be perfectly content...then again I was content when my HTC aria go android 2.2...with no flash player capabilities...I don't think any of these damn companies have gotten their acts together...but I'm pissed Nokia went behind our backs not telling us the truth just to make a couple bucks.
Been thinking a bit.
I have been waiting for a Nokia WP phone since dec.2011. I'm sure that just like many of you, I have been disappointed by the lack of WP8 update.
But then, I looked at my phone.
I currently own a Motorola defy +, a device which currently is stuck at Android 2.3.4. I never got a 4.0 update for my phone. The reason? Phone stability. The community did indeed attempt to port 4.0 on my phone, but sadly, I see it as a potential failure; there are still lots of bugs to iron out, and it will take more time to fix than what I suppose the devs will ever waste time on.
Do I complain? Hardly. I complain about the OS being Android and thus a cheap, unstable OS. But nothing else.
So, 2.3 isn't that bad, and 4.0 isn't that necessary. I live with it.
Now, how I see stuff in the WP universe?
7.8 isn't that bad, and 8.0 isn't that necessary.
I live with it.
And honestly, I am really tempted to get a lumia 800. And maybe even will. I seriously doubt that cheap 8 phones will appear instantly, since people want dual-cores and more RAM, and, and...
But I think that WP7.8 will remain the cheap version of 8, and that we will even see new phones with 7.8 on board. All for the sake of OS stability.
You can't be the fastest guy with your tech stuff unless you're bloody rich.
I think most people who panicked for not having Windows 8 on their phones are more so because they think:
a) They won't have new apps instantly
b) Devs won't develop anything new instantly
c) New features won't come to their phone instantly
I've spent my Sunday watching that video from Dev summit again. I am going to swallow my posts from earlier (full of optimism, they were) and say that no, we might after all not get any features from WP8 but only the start screen. But then you know what? I am fine with that.
Just like you said, OS wise - those who purchased Lumias or Titans, surely were and are happy with the OS as it is, else why would they shell out so many pounds for a phone. Now that we've established that people are happy with their phone in the state in which they bought it, let us talk about 'support'.
I am fine with the whole idea because, I have convinced myself that new apps won't stop coming instantly, devs won't stop developing instantly, new features won't stop coming to my phone instantly. For at least another year after the launch of WP8, things will stay as they are. Then, WP *might* die. Because I haven't forgotten how long it took them to kill WM6.5, I know it will take them even longer while Nokia uses their Lumias as low end phones.
Here is an example - An Eclair (2.1 phone) is still being sold and purchased for about £190 on play.com while we have what 2 or 3 (?) Android ICS phones out in the wild? http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...apixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html
Now if you consider WP7.8 to be WP ICS, then by that analogy, WP7.5 is an Froyo phone for WP range. I don't see why Nokia or any other OEMs can't offer at least for another year, WP7.8 (aka ICS WP) along with WP8 (aka Jelly bean WP). Nokia's Lumia 710 (Mango aka Froyo-like) phone is being sold for £130 currently anyway!
At least for WP, ALL apps and games run on its Eclair (pre-NoDo), Froyo (Mango), Gingerbread (Tango), WP7.8 (ICS) and WP8 (Jelly bean)!
What we are forgetting in mid of all these first world crisis is that Nokia's attempt to save itself also includes re-entering the market + attracting those feature phone users for whom WP7 or WP7.5 or WP7.8 = a smartphone because they need a phone to text, call, email and use couple of apps at max!
I am going to leave this post here and will come back to say I told you so (hopefully) a year after WP8 launch, when MSFT would have supported all the Lumias and Titans for 18 months at least by then
That is the big question: what will the Windows Phone answer for the low-end and emerging market? Will it be these running 7.8 or 8? Honestly, I cannot see Microsoft wanting both to co-exist for very long.
To MS, 7 has not been exactly a big hit with the general public. Plus, I would think that Microsoft would want to get all Windows Phone users onto 8 as soon as possible. That way, they can grow the platform the fastest without being dragged down by the old OS. When WP8 launches later this year, they want a big splash where lots of people buy into it right away. They cannot afford no interest or even a lackluster response. That is why I think Nokia and/or Microsoft should consider a trade-in program where WP7 users get some sort of discount on a WP8 device. At least this way, the tech news websites will report that WP8 is off to a great start. When 7 was launched, there were sites that called it DOA.
drupad2drupad said:
I think most people who panicked for not having Windows 8 on their phones are more so because they think:
a) They won't have new apps instantly
b) Devs won't develop anything new instantly
c) New features won't come to their phone instantly
I've spent my Sunday watching that video from Dev summit again. I am going to swallow my posts from earlier (full of optimism, they were) and say that no, we might after all not get any features from WP8 but only the start screen. But then you know what? I am fine with that.
Just like you said, OS wise - those who purchased Lumias or Titans, surely were and are happy with the OS as it is, else why would they shell out so many pounds for a phone. Now that we've established that people are happy with their phone in the state in which they bought it, let us talk about 'support'.
I am fine with the whole idea because, I have convinced myself that new apps won't stop coming instantly, devs won't stop developing instantly, new features won't stop coming to my phone instantly. For at least another year after the launch of WP8, things will stay as they are. Then, WP *might* die. Because I haven't forgotten how long it took them to kill WM6.5, I know it will take them even longer while Nokia uses their Lumias as low end phones.
Here is an example - An Eclair (2.1 phone) is still being sold and purchased for about £190 on play.com while we have what 2 or 3 (?) Android ICS phones out in the wild? http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...apixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html
Now if you consider WP7.8 to be WP ICS, then by that analogy, WP7.5 is an Froyo phone for WP range. I don't see why Nokia or any other OEMs can't offer at least for another year, WP7.8 (aka ICS WP) along with WP8 (aka Jelly bean WP). Nokia's Lumia 710 (Mango aka Froyo-like) phone is being sold for £130 currently anyway!
At least for WP, ALL apps and games run on its Eclair (pre-NoDo), Froyo (Mango), Gingerbread (Tango), WP7.8 (ICS) and WP8 (Jelly bean)!
What we are forgetting in mid of all these first world crisis is that Nokia's attempt to save itself also includes re-entering the market + attracting those feature phone users for whom WP7 or WP7.5 or WP7.8 = a smartphone because they need a phone to text, call, email and use couple of apps at max!
I am going to leave this post here and will come back to say I told you so (hopefully) a year after WP8 launch, when MSFT would have supported all the Lumias and Titans for 18 months at least by then
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And may I add to those users who purchased your phones in the last 6 months, what is wrong with your phone now? Has it contracted a mobile virus since last Wednesday that has rendered it useless? Does it not perform the same as the day you bought it? If your answer is "no" to any of the above, then you need to see a professional. You have panicked yourselves into a frenzy that requires medication.
drupad2drupad said:
I think most people who panicked for not having Windows 8 on their phones are more so because they think:
a) They won't have new apps instantly
b) Devs won't develop anything new instantly
c) New features won't come to their phone instantly
I've spent my Sunday watching that video from Dev summit again. I am going to swallow my posts from earlier (full of optimism, they were) and say that no, we might after all not get any features from WP8 but only the start screen. But then you know what? I am fine with that.
Just like you said, OS wise - those who purchased Lumias or Titans, surely were and are happy with the OS as it is, else why would they shell out so many pounds for a phone. Now that we've established that people are happy with their phone in the state in which they bought it, let us talk about 'support'.
I am fine with the whole idea because, I have convinced myself that new apps won't stop coming instantly, devs won't stop developing instantly, new features won't stop coming to my phone instantly. For at least another year after the launch of WP8, things will stay as they are. Then, WP *might* die. Because I haven't forgotten how long it took them to kill WM6.5, I know it will take them even longer while Nokia uses their Lumias as low end phones.
Here is an example - An Eclair (2.1 phone) is still being sold and purchased for about £190 on play.com while we have what 2 or 3 (?) Android ICS phones out in the wild? http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...apixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html
Now if you consider WP7.8 to be WP ICS, then by that analogy, WP7.5 is an Froyo phone for WP range. I don't see why Nokia or any other OEMs can't offer at least for another year, WP7.8 (aka ICS WP) along with WP8 (aka Jelly bean WP). Nokia's Lumia 710 (Mango aka Froyo-like) phone is being sold for £130 currently anyway!
At least for WP, ALL apps and games run on its Eclair (pre-NoDo), Froyo (Mango), Gingerbread (Tango), WP7.8 (ICS) and WP8 (Jelly bean)!
What we are forgetting in mid of all these first world crisis is that Nokia's attempt to save itself also includes re-entering the market + attracting those feature phone users for whom WP7 or WP7.5 or WP7.8 = a smartphone because they need a phone to text, call, email and use couple of apps at max!
I am going to leave this post here and will come back to say I told you so (hopefully) a year after WP8 launch, when MSFT would have supported all the Lumias and Titans for 18 months at least by then
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Change the third instantly to forever and change another two instantly to probably would be the correct answer, though no one would like to commit the fact.:cyclops:
A smartphone without proper apps is just a dumbphone. For those who lives well without apps, low end Android and Symbian phones would fit their needs while saving their money, why bother spending more than 500EUR for such a device? (Don't tell me the AT&T offer unless you can bring it worldwide) Let's see how M$ deal with this situation.
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And may I add to those users who purchased your phones in the last 6 months, what is wrong with your phone now? Has it contracted a mobile virus since last Wednesday that has rendered it useless? Does it not perform the same as the day you bought it? If your answer is "no" to any of the above, then you need to see a professional. You have panicked yourselves into a frenzy that requires medication.
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lol you think you are smart by saing that...but you dont know everything...you haven't considered a lot of things.
Do you consider it is fair...for a user to spend 400€ for a high end device, only to find 3 months later that all the support (updates + apps) is gone?
Make no mistake...a smart dev will code for wp8 because he writes 1app and he gets 3, with very little effort. And so the apps for wp7 will stop flowing...and a phone with no apps is allmost useless. To demonstrate this...try reseting your phone and use it without any aditional apps for a month...see how that turns out.
More over, MS is refering to 2nd gen as legacy devices, as if my lumia 800 was released in 2005, and there is talk that wp 7.8 devices will be sold as a low end version of wp8 Thats exactly what i imagined when i made the switch to lumia and please tell me how would you feel if you phone, that you worked so hard to get, would be considered a low-end device in a few months
MS is making this even worse by not porting all the possible features to wp 7.8.
So pls excuse me if i vent my anger on MS and ppl like you that support its decision so blindly.
Yes i am very happy with my lumia and this will not change, but the public opinion will.
You must understand that the current wp users, as myself, made the decision to go with WP because we didnt like android and ios, even if everyone uses ios and android. We, as wp users where going to battle against ios and android showing that it can be done better. I saw great potential in the OS and trusted MS and Nokia to deliver. Insted the whole thing backfires and MS abandons its efforts on the OS and breaks all promises and trust to the users.
People like me are beging to realise the actual interst of a company, and this is sad because we trusted MS, they involve themselves in so many student projects and are not afraid to inovate, but they dont really care about the users, they just care about the money. They abandoned wm 6.5 now wp 7.8 ... Whats next
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Do you consider it is fair...for a user to spend 400€ for a high end device, only to find 3 months later that all the support (updates + apps) is gone?
Make no mistake...a smart dev will code for wp8 because he writes 1app and he gets 3, with very little effort. And so the apps for wp7 will stop flowing...and a phone with no apps is allmost useless. To demonstrate this...try reseting your phone and use it without any aditional apps for a month...see how that turns out.
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I myself have considered a lot of things about the WP7.8 update, but I didn't realize MS disallows the use of apps as soon as WP8 is released... oh, wait. it doesn't!
The WP7 Marketplace will not instantly disappear. You will still be able to install all of the apps already in the marketplace. Granted, the flow of apps *might* slow down but surely it wont stop instantly seeing as WP8 needs to gain adoption before being a reasonable mobile ecosystem to abandon WP7. But WP7 has a magnitude of apps already available to its disposal that cover a lot of functions so your phone will not be useless unless it is already useless.
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Do you consider it is fair...for a user to spend 400€ for a high end device, only to find 3 months later that all the support (updates + apps) is gone?
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Thats odd, I must admit... You claim that WP7 won't be updated, but later on you acknowledge that WP7.8 is coming - don't you feel you're contradicting yourself just a little bit?
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and please tell me how would you feel if you phone, that you worked so hard to get, would be considered a low-end device in a few months
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First, I never realized that Nokia stated that the Lumia 800 is a high-end device as it was clearly NOT - it was a common knowledge that Nokia can and will introduce a more advanced device after the Lumia 800 (which was indeed the Lumia 900) and moreover - even the Lumia 900 was not supposed to be "high-end" but more of a "mid-high-end" as high-end devices which are TRULY high-end and are already sold in the market (with dual and quad cores) are not supported in the current version of WP7, and the MS-Nokia hardware leap will not occur until WP8 is released...
Ah, and BTW - A device which you just bought theoretically WILL BE old and maybe even low-end in just a few months. Thats the nature of this market, where the technology pace is leaping a whole generation in less than a year - you can NEVER win this race, you just have to buy the most suitable device for you at the moment and replace it after a year if you wish to keep yourself "up-to-date" hardware-wise...
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lol you think you are smart by saing that...but you dont know everything...you haven't considered a lot of things.
Do you consider it is fair...for a user to spend 400€ for a high end device, only to find 3 months later that all the support (updates + apps) is gone?
Make no mistake...a smart dev will code for wp8 because he writes 1app and he gets 3, with very little effort. And so the apps for wp7 will stop flowing...and a phone with no apps is allmost useless. To demonstrate this...try reseting your phone and use it without any aditional apps for a month...see how that turns out.
More over, MS is refering to 2nd gen as legacy devices, as if my lumia 800 was released in 2005, and there is talk that wp 7.8 devices will be sold as a low end version of wp8 Thats exactly what i imagined when i made the switch to lumia and please tell me how would you feel if you phone, that you worked so hard to get, would be considered a low-end device in a few months
MS is making this even worse by not porting all the possible features to wp 7.8.
So pls excuse me if i vent my anger on MS and ppl like you that support its decision so blindly.
Yes i am very happy with my lumia and this will not change, but the public opinion will.
You must understand that the current wp users, as myself, made the decision to go with WP because we didnt like android and ios, even if everyone uses ios and android. We, as wp users where going to battle against ios and android showing that it can be done better. I saw great potential in the OS and trusted MS and Nokia to deliver. Insted the whole thing backfires and MS abandons its efforts on the OS and breaks all promises and trust to the users.
People like me are beging to realise the actual interst of a company, and this is sad because we trusted MS, they involve themselves in so many student projects and are not afraid to inovate, but they dont really care about the users, they just care about the money. They abandoned wm 6.5 now wp 7.8 ... Whats next
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I may not be as smart as you since you seem to have a crystal ball that the rest of us lack. Please provide one link, just one will do, where Microsoft has said that "all the support (updates + apps) is gone?". You've been a member here since January so I'm confident you have read articles regarding the state of affairs with Windows Phone. In all that time you didn't catch one single article that stated that legacy devices were probably NOT going to get Apollo? That's a 50/50 proposition. If you like those odds then Vegas is your kind of town. Oh wait, that's right, you have a crystal ball. Face it, you saved up some money and were itching to go out and spend it immediately without considering that tech items change very rapidly.
Questions
Just few questions guys.
1. MSFT and other WP manufacturers are still selling WP7 devices. If you want a WP, are you gonna buy now? Why?
2. Is it worthy to buy WP7 at this time? Why?
3. I have WP7 2nd Gen, are you going to advise me to buy WP8 when it come out in market? why?
By the way, I have heard that Nokia dropped sales at its worst in 16 yrs after MSFT announced that they(MSFT) are not gonna update current WP device to WP8. Some manufacturers stopped WP7 production and will wait until WP8 came out. But some won't participate in WP8 trend.
4. What might be the reason why Nokia's sales went down in full blast? I believe some other manufacturers have the same scenario but not as same as what happened with Nokia.
5. What do you think why WP sales went down?
efektos said:
Thats odd, I must admit... You claim that WP7 won't be updated, but later on you acknowledge that WP7.8 is coming - don't you feel you're contradicting yourself just a little bit?
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After the 7.8 startscreen lands on current 7.5 hardware you can wave BB to updates...thats it...MS will be all about the new wp8. Pls dont play stupid on this..you know what we are talking about.
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First, I never realized that Nokia stated that the Lumia 800 is a high-end device as it was clearly NOT - it was a common knowledge that Nokia can and will introduce a more advanced device after the Lumia 800 (which was indeed the Lumia 900) and moreover - even the Lumia 900 was not supposed to be "high-end" but more of a "mid-high-end" as high-end devices which are TRULY high-end and are already sold in the market (with dual and quad cores) are not supported in the current version of WP7, and the MS-Nokia hardware leap will not occur until WP8 is released...
Ah, and BTW - A device which you just bought theoretically WILL BE old and maybe even low-end in just a few months. Thats the nature of this market, where the technology pace is leaping a whole generation in less than a year - you can NEVER win this race, you just have to buy the most suitable device for you at the moment and replace it after a year if you wish to keep yourself "up-to-date" hardware-wise...
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a giro and a ff camera dosen't make a phone that much better 800 and 900 are almost the same, except the 900 was built primarily as an US device, while the 800 has the right form factor for EU and Asia.
I wont debate over what you said about the lumia 800 not being high end...its a matter of opinion. Actually I'll go into into in just a bit
For example i dont find the GSIII to be a better phone. I dosent matter how many CPUs you have and how much ram...its how you use those resources..and that GSIII still lags...but other users that are not so mad with android...might like it 10 times more than a lumia. It depends on what you like, and over the years, I realized its a loosing battle trying to convince someone that your point of view is the right one.
That being said, I think you are missing the point I was trying to make in my post, your reply is offtopic, and i have the feeling you are arguing just for the sake or arguing.
ebautista said:
Just few questions guys.
1. MSFT and other WP manufacturers are still selling WP7 devices. If you want a WP, are you gonna buy now? Why?
2. Is it worthy to buy WP7 at this time? Why?
3. I have WP7 2nd Gen, are you going to advise me to buy WP8 when it come out in market? why?
By the way, I have heard that Nokia dropped sales at its worst in 16 yrs after MSFT announced that they(MSFT) are not gonna update current WP device to WP8. Some manufacturers stopped WP7 production and will wait until WP8 came out. But some won't participate in WP8 trend.
4. What might be the reason why Nokia's sales went down in full blast? I believe some other manufacturers have the same scenario but not as same as what happened with Nokia.
4. What do you think why WP sales went down?
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You said "4." 2 times.
fatclue said:
I may not be as smart as you since you seem to have a crystal ball that the rest of us lack. Please provide one link, just one will do, where Microsoft has said that "all the support (updates + apps) is gone?". You've been a member here since January so I'm confident you have read articles regarding the state of affairs with Windows Phone. In all that time you didn't catch one single article that stated that legacy devices were probably NOT going to get Apollo? That's a 50/50 proposition. If you like those odds then Vegas is your kind of town. Oh wait, that's right, you have a crystal ball. Face it, you saved up some money and were itching to go out and spend it immediately without considering that tech items change very rapidly.
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i believe it will not "gone". But slowly will go down. If WP8 will release, developers will be divided. Some will do native (C/C++), some will stay in wp7 coz MSFT said WP7 apps will still run in WP8, and some will do both but of course eventually will stop supporting wp7 as time goes.
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OptimusLove said:
You said "4." 2 times.
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updated. thanks man!
fatclue said:
I may not be as smart as you since you seem to have a crystal ball that the rest of us lack. Please provide one link, just one will do, where Microsoft has said that "all the support (updates + apps) is gone?". You've been a member here since January so I'm confident you have read articles regarding the state of affairs with Windows Phone. In all that time you didn't catch one single article that stated that legacy devices were probably NOT going to get Apollo? That's a 50/50 proposition. If you like those odds then Vegas is your kind of town. Oh wait, that's right, you have a crystal ball. Face it, you saved up some money and were itching to go out and spend it immediately without considering that tech items change very rapidly.
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I dont have a crystal ball, i have a brain, and im not sure which one of those two you're missing.
Think about it, what happened to WM6.5? how many updates did the OS get after it was ditched? not to mention that the store was closed. What do you think it will happen to WP7.x ? crystal ball anyone ?
I know how things run in the industry, I've been taking part in this for a long time, but i have never seen something fade this quickly. The lumia phones are not even a year old
who does this?? apple? i dont think so, you can still get new apps on a 3GS that is a 3 year old phone...google?? no...you can get all the stuff you like and more on a galaxy S or htc desire, 2 years old....and you will continue to get new stuff for much more.
look..its not about Apollo, its about the fact that wp8 apps cant run on wp7 hardware....this is fatal for 7.x
because of this the app well will dry out, the big players will code on wp8 and all the new stuff will be there...even if there are devs still loyal to wp7.x...the game is over for the 7.x market.
If you take into consideration other platforms, this wasn't supposed to happen...and thats why people are mad, because they feel used, we where like bait used just to get to 100000 apps, then thrown away ... you cant blame the people for feeling this way...I think they have every rite to do so, but hey should be mad on MS, and somehow i think Nokia will be more affected ...
continuity is key in this war of ecosystems.
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I dont have a crystal ball, i have a brain, and im not sure which one of those two you're missing.
Think about it, what happened to WM6.5? how many updates did the OS get after it was ditched? not to mention that the store was closed. What do you think it will happen to WP7.x ? crystal ball anyone ?
I know how things run in the industry, I've been taking part in this for a long time, but i have never seen something fade this quickly. The lumia phones are not even a year old
who does this?? apple? i dont think so, you can still get new apps on a 3GS that is a 3 year old phone...google?? no...you can get all the stuff you like and more on a galaxy S or htc desire, 2 years old....and you will continue to get new stuff for much more.
look..its not about Apollo, its about the fact that wp8 apps cant run on wp7 hardware....this is fatal for 7.x
because of this the app well will dry out, the big players will code on wp8 and all the new stuff will be there...even if there are devs still loyal to wp7.x...the game is over for the 7.x market.
If you take into consideration other platforms, this wasn't supposed to happen...and thats why people are mad, because they feel used, we where like bait used just to get to 100000 apps, then thrown away ... you cant blame the people for feeling this way...I think they have every rite to do so, but hey should be mad on MS, and somehow i think Nokia will be more affected ...
continuity is key in this war of ecosystems.
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In case you missed it, the 6.5 Marketplace shut down last month. Yes, May 2012. Sorry Sparky, your gloom and doom forecasts are way out of whack. I still use WM and it works the same, if not better than, as it did 3 years ago. There is no self-destruct button on these things once a newer system comes to town. Face it, technology moves faster than your 2-year contract. Why do I even bother wasting my time? I'm out.
I own lumia 800. The OS 7.5 doesn't have the basic features like call timer in call history. Do you think we can live with that. I bought this phone trusting MS and nokia that they would bring in the proper updates. Now its all gone... I am a loyal user of windows phone. I am using windows phone since WM 2003 SE.
EDIT: WP 7 & 7.5 were only a beta test!!! They USED us
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OptimusLove said:
You said "4." 2 times.
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1. MSFT and other WP manufacturers are still selling WP7 devices. If you want a WP, are you gonna buy now? Why?
I will not buy a WP ever again. Only some one who doesnt know anything about the phone would buy Wp 7 now.
2. Is it worthy to buy WP7 at this time? Why?
NO
3. I have WP7 2nd Gen, are you going to advise me to buy WP8 when it come out in market? why?
We have spent a fortune buying lumia 800 and 900 we dont want to spend again atleast for 1.5 or 2 years
By the way, I have heard that Nokia dropped sales at its worst in 16 yrs after MSFT announced that they(MSFT) are not gonna update current WP device to WP8. Some manufacturers stopped WP7 production and will wait until WP8 came out. But some won't participate in WP8 trend.
4. What might be the reason why Nokia's sales went down in full blast? I believe some other manufacturers have the same scenario but not as same as what happened with Nokia.
They would have anticipated it but not this much. Maybe MS is playing in such a way to reduce the market share of nokia to buy it for cheap price
5. What do you think why WP sales went down?
Word of mouth. I tell everyone not to buy a WP
rajan17_88 said:
I own lumia 800. The OS 7.5 doesn't have the basic features like call timer in call history. Do you think we can live with that. I bought this phone trusting MS and nokia that they would bring in the proper updates. Now its all gone... I am a loyal user of windows phone. I am using windows phone since WM 2003 SE.
EDIT: WP 7 & 7.5 were only a beta test!!! They USED us
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1. MSFT and other WP manufacturers are still selling WP7 devices. If you want a WP, are you gonna buy now? Why?
I will not buy a WP ever again. Only some one who doesnt know anything about the phone would buy Wp 7 now.
2. Is it worthy to buy WP7 at this time? Why?
NO
3. I have WP7 2nd Gen, are you going to advise me to buy WP8 when it come out in market? why?
We have spent a fortune buying lumia 800 and 900 we dont want to spend again atleast for 1.5 or 2 years
By the way, I have heard that Nokia dropped sales at its worst in 16 yrs after MSFT announced that they(MSFT) are not gonna update current WP device to WP8. Some manufacturers stopped WP7 production and will wait until WP8 came out. But some won't participate in WP8 trend.
4. What might be the reason why Nokia's sales went down in full blast? I believe some other manufacturers have the same scenario but not as same as what happened with Nokia.
They would have anticipated it but not this much. Maybe MS is playing in such a way to reduce the market share of nokia to buy it for cheap price
5. What do you think why WP sales went down?
Word of mouth. I tell everyone not to buy a WP
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What are you going to buy instead?
Android? Never guranteed to upgrade and most apps only work on top end devices
iPhone? same UI as last 4 years, and one year old iPhone being left out of big features
The grass is not greener on the other side.
On the contary Nokia have the best record of updating phones out of any manufacturers out there. Even my Nokia 5800 which is now 4 years old still gets regular updates.
1/ Android does many things. It is nearly complete feature-wise. My HTC G2 runs like a champ. Plus everybody knows about droid fragmented updates but they don't care, the thing is live, not beta.
2/ I hate iPhone because it is expensive and full of fanboism. Still it is better for 1 year old phone to miss only one or two exclusively new features than a six-month old to get only one new visual feature and miss out the functional rest. See the difference there?
v_garg said:
What are you going to buy instead?
Android? Never guranteed to upgrade and most apps only work on top end devices
iPhone? same UI as last 4 years, and one year old iPhone being left out of big features
The grass is not greener on the other side.
On the contary Nokia have the best record of updating phones out of any manufacturers out there. Even my Nokia 5800 which is now 4 years old still gets regular updates.
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v_garg said:
What are you going to buy instead?
Android? Never guranteed to upgrade and most apps only work on top end devices
iPhone? same UI as last 4 years, and one year old iPhone being left out of big features
The grass is not greener on the other side.
On the contary Nokia have the best record of updating phones out of any manufacturers out there. Even my Nokia 5800 which is now 4 years old still gets regular updates.
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I will even consider buying blackberry or iPhone just for their customer support which is way better than MS support.
WP8 has a user base of zero right now - and is unlikely to be more than WP7 by the end of the year .. why will devs not write for wp7 as well as WP8 ? for the majority of apps the Silverlight/XNA is fine.. for the Apps for which this not true then they won't run anyhow.. not at all like WM6.5 - in that case none of the apps were x-compatible to WP7 and you had to start again.. clearly not the case here..
Oh, and what's with the "M$" nonsense - like Google & Apple don't care about $$$ ? - duh I forgot those guys channel all their profits into searching for a cure for cancer...
Isnt it simple to call Verizon or whatever to cancel the contract and get a refund? Just asking, It just seems that after the announcement, Every single WP user went ALL RAGE!!!! But, hasnt anyone thought of contacting the carrier instead?
OptimusLove said:
Isnt it simple to call Verizon or whatever to cancel the contract and get a refund? Just asking, It just seems that after the announcement, Every single WP user went ALL RAGE!!!! But, hasnt anyone thought of contacting the carrier instead?
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Doesn't breach any contract by the carriers, hardware manufacturers or software vendors. Don't see why would Verizon, HTC/Nokia or MSFT is liable for any refund.
OptimusLove said:
Isnt it simple to call Verizon or whatever to cancel the contract and get a refund? Just asking, It just seems that after the announcement, Every single WP user went ALL RAGE!!!! But, hasnt anyone thought of contacting the carrier instead?
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How exactly are the carriers responsible that they should nullify the contract? It's been no secret that there was an extreme likelihood that current WP7 phones would not get the Apollo upgrade. There was nothing official. Prudence would dictate that you wait for an official statement or wait until something is actually released before committing to a 2 year contract. Some people just didn't want to wait and now feel "entitled" to something they never deserved. Gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough.
fatclue said:
How exactly are the carriers responsible that they should nullify the contract? It's been no secret that there was an extreme likelihood that current WP7 phones would not get the Apollo upgrade. There was nothing official. Prudence would dictate that you wait for an official statement or wait until something is actually released before committing to a 2 year contract. Some people just didn't want to wait and now feel "entitled" to something they never deserved. Gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough.
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Its the user that will request to nullify so that, they(the user) can sell the phone, save the money to buy a new one.
OptimusLove said:
Its the user that will request to nullify so that, they(the user) can sell the phone, save the money to buy a new one.
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I know it's the user who wants to cancel. What I meant was why would the carrier agree to nullify? Buyer's remorse? Sorry, make an informed purchase like the rest of us or pay the unsubsidized price if you want to swap devices on a whim.
Let us start a petition to end all the petitions.
nicksti said:
Let us start a petition to end all the petitions.
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Count me in!
nicksti said:
Let us start a petition to end all the petitions.
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Agreed, I bet those petitioners dont know their carriers phone numbers.
nicksti said:
Let us start a petition to end all the petitions.
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Agreed. Not to sound mean or insensitive, but man am I sick and tired of all the whiny, prissy, entitled little asshats stamping around like a deranged toddler who's parent says no to the damned coco puffs.
I bought my Samsung Focus almost 2 years ago, and in that time MS has given me numerous updates for free, ALL of which have not just added features but actually IMPROVED the performance of the device and reduced the memory footprint. We already know Tango will do the same, and it's a safe bet that the new Start screen won't dramatically impact memory usage.
Contrast that with my Apple experience, where for 2 years every new version of iOS became more bloated and made my phone run slower and slower, each and EVERY time claiming the new OS version number as newer devices, yet NEVER giving me all the features of those devices, and ultimately ruining--yes, RUINING--my device to the point where it was unusable due to the slowness of its bloated, hackneyed OS.
When Microsoft finishes the run of WP7 devices, each and EVERY phone that runs the OS will continue to be usable, will continue to run better than it ever has in its lifespan, and will continue to be supported by a marketplace that currently has more than 100,000 apps.
Let me be plain: there is NOTHING HERE TO WHINE ABOUT. Grow up, accept that you're never going to own a piece of technology that will be "future proof," and move forward with your life.
There is NO SUCH THING as future proof. It's a marketing lie, and if you're dumb enough to believe it that's nobody's fault but your own.
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In the U.S., if you get a subsidized phone you could always leave before the contract expires. However, you are obligated to pay an early termination fee. Exact amount depends on how long you stayed so far. People who bought the 2nd generation Windows Phones probably started their 2 year term not too long ago and would pay a relatively high fee.
As far as the number of petitions goes, I think it shows that users are not happy seeing their relatively new device already obsolete because it cannot run any WP8 apps. It is not just the most-demanding apps or ones that demand better hardware. It is all of them.
Even if this sort of thing happens with Android or Apple, it is still a problem here because there are so many petitions/complaints. Add to this that there was a platform reset just 2 years ago with Windows Mobile and the fact that there are not too many Windows Phone users to begin with, I think this is an issue in which Microsoft has to be proactive and find a workable solution. Google and Apple can afford to piss off a few customers as their base is huge. Unfortunately, Microsoft does not have that luxury. Likewise, it does Microsoft no good if their users are complaining at the same time MS is trying to get these same people onto WP8.
Microsoft, Nokia, and whomever else should just implement some type of trade-in program where current WP7 users can get a WP8 device with a fair discount. Then if people want a WP8 device right away, they do not have to wait over a year until your contract ends. I am sure Microsoft wants tons of WP8 users immediately to attract app developers. With a trade-in, this would certainly happen. If Microsoft does nothing, people could very well stay angry and go to Android or Apple when their contract is up. Even if everybody suddenly accepts the current WP7 situation and became happy with MS, it would still take a long time (if ever) for WP8 to get reach a decent sized userbase. That is why I believe Microsoft should do something to get almost everybody using WP7 onto WP8 come this fall.
jasongw said:
Agreed. Not to sound mean or insensitive, but man am I sick and tired of all the whiny, prissy, entitled little asshats stamping around like a deranged toddler who's parent says no to the damned coco puffs.
I bought my Samsung Focus almost 2 years ago, and in that time MS has given me numerous updates for free, ALL of which have not just added features but actually IMPROVED the performance of the device and reduced the memory footprint. We already know Tango will do the same, and it's a safe bet that the new Start screen won't dramatically impact memory usage.
Contrast that with my Apple experience, where for 2 years every new version of iOS became more bloated and made my phone run slower and slower, each and EVERY time claiming the new OS version number as newer devices, yet NEVER giving me all the features of those devices, and ultimately ruining--yes, RUINING--my device to the point where it was unusable due to the slowness of its bloated, hackneyed OS.
When Microsoft finishes the run of WP7 devices, each and EVERY phone that runs the OS will continue to be usable, will continue to run better than it ever has in its lifespan, and will continue to be supported by a marketplace that currently has more than 100,000 apps.
Let me be plain: there is NOTHING HERE TO WHINE ABOUT. Grow up, accept that you're never going to own a piece of technology that will be "future proof," and move forward with your life.
There is NO SUCH THING as future proof. It's a marketing lie, and if you're dumb enough to believe it that's nobody's fault but your own.
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Lool.
Here's a email I sent to Microsoft's [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Hi Everyone,
I'm sending this email for two reasons. First I have been a Windows Phone user since 2004 when HP released the first pocket pc phone, HP 6315. I then purchased the HP 6515 and HP 6915. I then purchased the HTC Touch P4000 windows 5.0 and then HTC Touch diamond 6.1, HTC Touch Pro 2 windows 6.5.
And when Microsoft released Windows Phone 7, I purshased HTC Surround and then just last week I purchased for my wife the new Nokia 900 and the HTC Titan2 for my self, plus my two kids have a HTC Surround and HTC HD7S.
The reason that I mentioned all these phone is to show my dedication to the windows phone platform, and just two let you know I have been a long time Windows user as well. My first Windows desktop was Windows 1.0.
I heard this week that our second generation phones won't get the Windows Phone 8 upgrade, Considering we just bought that latest phones and they will be outdated in a couple of months, I feel for the first time ripped off considering Apples Iphone 3 will upgrade to os6.
I would thing that you would want to keep your loyal customers, and for the first time I'm debating if we don't get the update to Windows Phone 8 to change phone platforms, and this really hurts considering how much I believe in Microsoft's products. THanks again I look forward to your response.
Yours Truly,
Mark Connors
MC Engineers
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
NSCSA Safety Certified 2012
[email protected]
Here is Peter Chou for HTC reply:
Dear Mark,
Thanks for supporting HTC products for so long and so many years. Win8 is a big step so we are not able to upgrade to win 7 devices. However we will have a win7 upgrade version which will have most of the win8 experience.
Regards.
Peter
Here's Steven Rlop for Nokia reply:
Dear Mark,
There are advances in hardware in future devices that will enable new experiences that will not be available on the existing devices. And yet, you will see some of the WP8 features on WP 7 devices, and, on the Nokia devices, there is a wide array of additional capability being provided. Just as with an older Apple product that cannot do many of the new things, we will continue to enhance what can be done.
Regards,
Stephen
Here's my reply back to everyone.
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for your quick reply. I'm a PLC programmer and software developer myself so I know how it works with hardware and software. That being said when Microsoft released Windows 7 they created Windows starter for pc's with minimum hardware specs,
So why doesn't Microsoft create Windows Phone 8 for the new devices and Windows Phone 8 light for the older devices. I realize that Windows Phone 7.8 is that lighter version but in the public's eyes they look at it as not getting the next version of Windows Phone 8. And last I think if Microsoft rolls out the lighter version and calls it Windows Phone 8 for first and second generation phones plus explain it has most of the functionalities as the new phones, the majority of Windows Phone users would understand. Thanks again for your response.
Mark Connors
MC Engineers
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
NSCSA Safety Certified 2012
[email protected]
Peter Chou response was.
Mark, this is a good idea. We can look into that direction. Thanks again.
The interesting thing was the fact that Microsoft has never responded to any of my emails, so again it's like Microsoft really doesn't care about their customers.
I believe that Microsoft could have created two versions of Windows Phone 8, with support for new and old devices and if the first and second devices didn't support the particular software it wouldn't be activited in the first or second phones.
Mark Connors
MC Engineers
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
NSCSA Safety Certified 2012
[email protected]
I've got an idea. Let's allow the free enterprise system to do its thing. Those of you who feel "cheated" by Microsoft can go ahead and switch to another platform of your choosing. Those who switch to Android, be careful of what you wish for..... Those who switch to iOS, same goes for you too. When the dust settles and Google releases Jelly Bean, let's see how many existing handsets get the update. When OS6 comes out, let's see how slow and buggy your precious iPhone becomes. Be proactive, do what you need to do. But for God's sake do it and STFU already!
I'm sorry for my reply; I only wanted to express my concerns for the way Microsoft is dealing with the first and second generation devices. I wasn't trying to start a battle. Again I'm sorry, and your right it's hard to type and reply on a small screen without making mistakes..
mcsc said:
Apparently you missed the hole reason for the letter and if you could read between the lines and how long I have been with microsoft you would realize that I would never change platforms. That being said a a Engineer, microsoft could have released this differently. My letter was a point out that Bill, and Steve didn't even have the decently to reply.
And last if you can't reply with dignity using a acronym STFU, then you should post.
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(1) I wasn't referring to you.
(2) You should be embarrassed to sport your credentials so ostentatiously when you can't go a full sentence with either a spelling or grammatical error. Literally, not one correct sentence in your post.
(3) You and I have different methods to show angst. You write letters, I use acronyms. My dignity is intact.
BTW, I have credentials too. I have responsibilities within the healthcare field that you can't possibly fathom. My state & federal licensing credentials are quite impressive as well. I just like to let my hair down on these boards.
Gotta agree with fatclue...
The grammar in that post would be an embarrassment if the audience was 4th graders, and it was directed to 4 senior executives. Maybe the author should pursue a credential in business writing.
Also, why would anyone expect a reply from Bill Gates? Isn't he off feeding kids with malaria or something? I would hope that the rest have better things to do.
Respectfully,
Rev. Dr. Thaddeus James O'Pootertoot III, MD, JD, CPA, Ph.D, MBCP, MCA, MCAD, MCAS, MCDBA, MCDST, MCITP, MCLC, MCM, MCNE, MCP, MCP+I, MCP+SB, MCP+SB, MCPD, MCSA, MCSD, MCSD, MCSE, MCSE+I, MCT, MCTS, MCTs, MOS, MOUS, and all-around nice guy
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@mcsc: I see your mistake: you think that because the iPhone 3GS will receive "iOS6" that means it'll be receiving the same OS as the later iPhones. I get the mistake--I made it myself, once.
But the fact is this: iPhone 3GS will NOT be receiving the same OS as later models. It'll show the same VERSION number--merely a string of text--but in no sense can it be called "the same OS." Instead, it contains a subset of what the newer version of the OS (which, let's face it, is itself a minor iteration of a stale OS) will have on newer devices, and if you want to get the full set of features, you WILL have to buy the iPhone 5, make no mistake. Even 4S will lack some of the features that iOS 6 will deliver to iPhone 5.
Essentially, Microsoft and Apple do the same thing, but with a clear distinction: Apple tells a lie-"look! We're giving you the latest OS!", and Microsoft tells the truth--"Sorry, your device won't support the new OS, but we'll make sure you get a few of its features."
The question is: do you prefer a pretty lie or a less pretty truth?
Your so right, I didn't look at it this way. I am quite happy with my phone and getting the windows phone 7.8 update, I just thought that microsoft should have released it as windows phone 8 for everyone, minas the enhancements that the first and second generation devices didn't support.
Forget about the 3GS, how old is it, really?
iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S, one year apart. The only thing the 4 didn't receive when the 4S came out was Siri, one exclusive feature for new model. If you want to look at the 3GS, it lacked facetime, one feature announced with the iPhone 4.
Here MS and Nokia have, what? Soon to be 6 months old L900 before a major update. What'll it receive? only one new visual feature while the functional rest is left out vs. "hey we are saving one new feature for our new model." Don't quote me where I got WP 7.8 only has the startscreen, if you want to believe WP and Nokia it's on you, not me, I'm done believing. What's more? the 3GS, while being 3 years old (released June 2009), is not considered a beta device and it served well, it still retains some value. Lumia 900? From $99 to free in 2 months (I don't count the $100 credits post launch), much like a feature phone. Plus, the thing is hyped this and that despite the OS isn't fully matured at this point of the competition, while iOS and Android can out-function WP any way. If not for loyalty and hope, who have been buying WP up until 6/20? After this treatment, I know many will be very skeptical about buying WP8. I myself will wait until WP8 truly establishes itself as a complete OS before buying. Can you confidently recommend WP? I know I no longer can't.
And before someone tells me to go buy an iOS or Android, think again. Is there anyone to tell people to "go buy a WP"? MS and Nokia, i am sure, don't want their consumer base to tell others to buy products from their primary competitors. iOS and Android don't care, because no one says go buy a WP. People would just be like, "what's that?," anyway. If WP users think the other consumers are missing out goodies in WP, then MS and Nokia are missing out their market share.
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@mcsc: I see your mistake: you think that because the iPhone 3GS will receive "iOS6" that means it'll be receiving the same OS as the later iPhones. I get the mistake--I made it myself, once.
But the fact is this: iPhone 3GS will NOT be receiving the same OS as later models. It'll show the same VERSION number--merely a string of text--but in no sense can it be called "the same OS." Instead, it contains a subset of what the newer version of the OS (which, let's face it, is itself a minor iteration of a stale OS) will have on newer devices, and if you want to get the full set of features, you WILL have to buy the iPhone 5, make no mistake. Even 4S will lack some of the features that iOS 6 will deliver to iPhone 5.
Essentially, Microsoft and Apple do the same thing, but with a clear distinction: Apple tells a lie-"look! We're giving you the latest OS!", and Microsoft tells the truth--"Sorry, your device won't support the new OS, but we'll make sure you get a few of its features."
The question is: do you prefer a pretty lie or a less pretty truth?
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