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lately while i have been going out i have been seeing more windows phones out in the wild. Although where i am at i see like 25 iphones a few droids but i never saw windows phones. Well now i am actually seeing windows phones out in the wild occasionly. 2012 looks like it could be a good year for windows phones. Who knows maybe 2012 will be the year of windows phones?

Sounds promising. Which phone do you have?

Yes I beleive once they drop Apollo the masses will come flocking unless iphone 5 is real promising, but people are going to start looking for a change and I beleive WP7 will be it for them. WP7 is already striking the interest of many but so many people see the features Android and iOS has to offer and they end up following the sheep. Seen it happen numerous times. Once we get a compeitive phone on the market then we can really compete.

I own a samsung focus

937dytboi said:
Yes I beleive once they drop Apollo the masses will come flocking unless iphone 5 is real promising, but people are going to start looking for a change and I beleive WP7 will be it for them. WP7 is already striking the interest of many but so many people see the features Android and iOS has to offer and they end up following the sheep. Seen it happen numerous times. Once we get a compeitive phone on the market then we can really compete.
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At what point in sales numbers do people quit being people, and become sheep ?

Its more of people following the fad, for no good reason, at least the people ive ran into and asked myself, me personally I dont care. But it seems that people that arent techie seem to go where everybody else go without trying other things on the market. This girl at my job was absolutely tired of her Android because it ran like crap. Obviously her next choose was iOS, I told her to look at WP7 and I also gave her good reasons to get the WP7. Few days later she gets the iOS. My cousin who is an avid Nokia guy and always stood by them was looking to get a Nokia WP7 device. Few weeks later he gets the HTC Amaze, reasoning: the Amaze is the most powerful phone on the market. Even though I told my cousin WP7 doesnt need the same power to operate like it should he still choose the Android device. From my experience with several other people it seems like they are scared to step out of the realm and try something different. Therefore they follow the sheep without giving the WP7 a try. Im not mad at there decision because im not the one using their device.

I don't think WP7 will rise again. I don't really know what deal thought Nokia to do with Microsoft, but everything is far behind possible. Mango should have brought at least the same functionalities tan Android, but at this time, I don't have even wifi theetering on my LG, where the most of branded LG have. everything is missing in WP7, and I saw the new galaxy phone with Android 4 will be there soon. maybe in a couple of months I'll get my theetering, where the Android and iOS will get a new load of things

937dytboi said:
Its more of people following the fad, for no good reason, at least the people ive ran into and asked myself, me personally I dont care. But it seems that people that arent techie seem to go where everybody else go without trying other things on the market. This girl at my job was absolutely tired of her Android because it ran like crap. Obviously her next choose was iOS, I told her to look at WP7 and I also gave her good reasons to get the WP7. Few days later she gets the iOS. My cousin who is an avid Nokia guy and always stood by them was looking to get a Nokia WP7 device. Few weeks later he gets the HTC Amaze, reasoning: the Amaze is the most powerful phone on the market. Even though I told my cousin WP7 doesnt need the same power to operate like it should he still choose the Android device. From my experience with several other people it seems like they are scared to step out of the realm and try something different. Therefore they follow the sheep without giving the WP7 a try. Im not mad at there decision because im not the one using their device.
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Well that's probably because the App selection on WP7 is even worse than on Android and basically no one owns it, a lot of people buy Android for the same reason they buy iPhones, they know the name, WP7 is new and no one likes change much. WP7 is VERY nice, but the features are boring, and yeah it brings a new UI but that's all that it does, I don't think it will be a big OS anytime soon, Android and iOS will be in the top for a long time.

Give this to the second page for it to descend into the usual "WP7 sucks" thread. Cant allow the spread of any positive WP7 news now, can we?

IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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I guess it'll be late then. Tango will not add that many things, but Apollo is the key here.

karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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Agreed
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karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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hold your horses there, how many phones will be running vanilla android= a few. Excuse me but every windows phone runs amazing and yes i read reviews for ics but android is still android and over time it will run like crap. I owned an android and used it now i am on windows phone and loving it. I dont think i can go back to android. IOS sells very well so i dont think you can say it "sucks" but the interface is still quite boring and i would never get an "i" device.

Just my 2 cents, If you compared iOS, Android & WP7 for their 1st year achivement, then you will see how fast the trend is that WP try to catch up to compete with Android & iOS.
Conclusion is,
take what you love, rather than bash it after you get it, whether it is an Android, an iDevice, or a WP.

karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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Tango is a minor update, the equivalent of NoDo. It's not going to be adding anything major except potentially support for things like LTE and NFC. There were also early rumors of system wide search being added.
Mango has put WP7 at a decent place. It isn't up to par with iOS or Android but it is usable. It just needs attractive devices and a better catalog of apps. Hopefully Nokia's US devices will keep things moving until the major update later next year.

I was showing a female friend my HD7 the other day and i could not believe it when she said the interface was cluttered and ugly, this coming from some one who owns and iPhone 4. The iphone GUI was cutting edge when it came out but endless pages of applications that offer no information rather then the occasion number to indicate an event is rather outdated. Although Live tiles have not been implement as well i and most probably Microsoft would of hoped.
Her only problem with the WP7 interface was that is scrolls down, to be honest i would not be surprised if they change this in a future update to co inside with all the other metro UI offerings. I love my HD7 but i agree Microsoft has to really pick up the ball and significantly increase its list of features and specifications if they want to compete.

lovenokia said:
hold your horses there, how many phones will be running vanilla android= a few. Excuse me but every windows phone runs amazing and yes i read reviews for ics but android is still android and over time it will run like crap. I owned an android and used it now i am on windows phone and loving it. I dont think i can go back to android. IOS sells very well so i dont think you can say it "sucks" but the interface is still quite boring and i would never get an "i" device.
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Wether ICS will "run like crap" (your speculation)with some time/usage or not does not matter. What matters is it will be yet another major update to the OS, enough to pull in more new customers and prompt people that like signing contracts to re-up.
Previously everyone speculated that Mango and its 500 features was going to slaughter all the other mobile os's. When that didn't happen, the rumor mill turned to "when we get some cool hardware" we will slaughter ios/bb/android.
I belive the post above mine mentiones a girl saying wp7 is "ugly".. while she prefers the 3 deminsional ios icons, and lots of them. I've heard other people call wp7 "flat" before, but this is the first mention on xda. The changes wp7 is going to have to have will include a visually stunning CHANGE from the current setup. New customers have seen it, for over a year now. If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?

ohgood said:
Wether ICS will "run like crap" (your speculation)with some time/usage or not does not matter. What matters is it will be yet another major update to the OS, enough to pull in more new customers and prompt people that like signing contracts to re-up.
Previously everyone speculated that Mango and its 500 features was going to slaughter all the other mobile os's. When that didn't happen, the rumor mill turned to "when we get some cool hardware" we will slaughter ios/bb/android.
I belive the post above mine mentiones a girl saying wp7 is "ugly".. while she prefers the 3 deminsional ios icons, and lots of them. I've heard other people call wp7 "flat" before, but this is the first mention on xda. The changes wp7 is going to have to have will include a visually stunning CHANGE from the current setup. New customers have seen it, for over a year now. If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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why do you spend all day here if you hate wp7 and dont even own one?
Get a life....

ohgood said:
If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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Advertising. They have really got to create interest, create a desirable image, or tout features that the others do not have.......
You know, stuff like...
A group of business people outdoors on a jobsite going over something. There is a problem, and people in the group begin fumbling with obvious androids and iphones and computers trying to get the information. Zoom in on the pretty woman with the windows phone who opens excel, grabs the info, edits it, and then becomes the hero of the situation while showing the others the information. Someone will say, "what kind of phone is that", and then Cue the "Windows Phone 7" logo.
or
Two college students are walking toward a mall, they see three pretty girls. "We should call Shaun to meet up with us", one says. "Yeah right", says the other, "he's probably gaming on his xbox". "I'll text him and see if he can come", cue the image him texting in the background. In the foreground, close up on the windows phone 7, hit xbox live, and him messaging and getting a reply. Zoom back in on the texter who says, "he didn't reply". The Winphone7 user says, "he'll be here in 15 minutes". "How do you know that?" the first clueless student says..... Cue the Windows Phone 7 logo.
They have got to advertise. I am expecting a blitz when they launch the Nokia phones here in America. We will see

leftspeaker2000 said:
I was showing a female friend my HD7 the other day and i could not believe it when she said the interface was cluttered and ugly, this coming from some one who owns and iPhone 4. The iphone GUI was cutting edge when it came out but endless pages of applications that offer no information rather then the occasion number to indicate an event is rather outdated. Although Live tiles have not been implement as well i and most probably Microsoft would of hoped.
Her only problem with the WP7 interface was that is scrolls down, to be honest i would not be surprised if they change this in a future update to co inside with all the other metro UI offerings. I love my HD7 but i agree Microsoft has to really pick up the ball and significantly increase its list of features and specifications if they want to compete.
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Sad but true. People are just not open to change. I showed my phone to several friends. The ones using Symbian were instantly amazed, but the ones who had used Android found it ugly. As if a sea of confusing icons is the only way a UI should look like. They say, "S**t, you can't theme it to something different?"
I can only feel sad for their lack of understanding. I owned a Nexus S, and i am just not going back to it.

Windows Mobile 7 on Samsung Galaxy SII T-989

Who dares?
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.

Would be cool to dual boot like the HD2 days. But TBH Sui, we barely have any devs for anroid let alone start a whole new can of worms with WP7. Like the idea though.... +1

Wp7 doesn't support multiple cores.
$1 gets you a reply

Kailkti said:
Wp7 doesn't support multiple cores.
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Except for, you know, the already released dual-core WP7 phones.

Good Point Kallkti, but soon it will. I was at a mircosoft event and we will see an update in a few months to support it. In theory couldnt we just use one core like ....idk the original froyo/GB code, and keep the second core sleeping. I never wrote kernel code im only asking

lol we dont even have a working CM7 or Miui...yet you want this?! i dont think it'll ever happen

GS2 doesn't meet hardware requirements for 6 hardware buttons and who knows what else, but seems to me if someone wants a WM7 phone, you get one.
Another thought - get an HTC HD2 - ROMs available for WM 6.5, 7 and just about every flavor of android available. A little slow (1 GHz) but satisfies all other requests.

I think it'd be awesome, been thinking about this myself. Probably damn difficult if not impossible to do at this point.
My girlfriend has a Samsung focus and it's pretty sweet. I find myself getting jealous over her phone at times especially with the zune pass lol.
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Why
Sui Generis said:
Who dares?
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
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Why would you ruin a perfectly good phone and turn it into an unstable brick?

The question is not who dares. But why? Lol
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They have not released any dual core wp7 phones.

Windows Phone 7 will never work unless Microsoft makes it open source. The Hd2 was lucky only because the Hd7 has the same exact internals and even that phone doesn't run Windows flawlessly.
Its like trying to put iOS or RIM's software on the GSII. It will never work and if you are lucky to get it to boot it will be extremely buggy!!!!
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I just don't understand why you would want that OS on such an amazing piece of hardware. WM7 in my opinion is just too limited in the things you can do, hence the reason why people including myself rid of 6.5 from their HD2's.

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Except for, you know, the already released dual-core WP7 phones.
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What windowsphone7 phones have you seen with dual cores? Even the top of the line phones are single core be ause the OS doesn't support it yet.
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wp7 runs extremely smooth and looks very nice. i don't know why this phone has no cool stuff, we have a bunch of competent developers, even cyanogen is working on this phone. i'm hoping that in the next 3 months development will explode for this phone.

like stated before if we can't even get a stable version of cm7 or miui we are deff not getting this here....... lol

If it's looks you want there might be a launcher theme out there you could try
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Sui Generis said:
Who dares?
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
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i still have my hd2. its cool as hell but i never used wm6-7. why because it sucks-hard. why would you want that? Oh if you like wm and like your phone, download a wm7 launcher. i think thats going to be the most development youll see.

Charlie Brown said:
The question is not who dares. But why? Lol
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Windows Phone 7.5 is a better OS than Android. Does it have as much developer support? No. But speaking strictly of the OS itself, it's much more efficient, handles battery life much better, is smoother out of the box. It just needs more love from software developers.
That said, what the OP is suggesting is never going to happen. Least of all on the Hercules/T989

OriginalMemnock said:
Windows Phone 7.5 is a better OS than Android. Does it have as much developer support? No. But speaking strictly of the OS itself, it's much more efficient, handles battery life much better, is smoother out of the box. It just needs more love from software developers.
That said, what the OP is suggesting is never going to happen. Least of all on the Hercules/T989
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Ya saying Windows phone anything is better than android is just straight up garbage sorry. If that was the case it wouldn't have 1% marketshare while the richest company in the world is marketing and pushing it.
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Is Windows Phone suffering from Osborne effect ?

From the day wp7 released, the next release is always hyped up and touted as 'the' release to use. Similar thing happened when Microsoft showed a sneak peek of Mango 6 months before release and people started saying that everybody should wait for mango phones. Now WP8 details have leaked and everybody says we must wait for next gen phones to buy. This seems to be an ideal case of Osborne effect, where an announcement of a future version ahead of its availability impacts sales of the current generation. What do you guys think ?
p.s : To people who have not heard about this, check out in wikipedia about osborne effect. Since i am a newbie i am not allowed to paste links in the thread.

rstheboss said:
From the day wp7 released, the next release is always hyped up and touted as 'the' release to use. Similar thing happened when Microsoft showed a sneak peek of Mango 6 months before release and people started saying that everybody should wait for mango phones. Now WP8 details have leaked and everybody says we must wait for next gen phones to buy. This seems to be an ideal case of Osborne effect, where an announcement of a future version ahead of its availability impacts sales of the current generation. What do you guys think ?
p.s : To people who have not heard about this, check out in wikipedia about osborne effect. Since i am a newbie i am not allowed to paste links in the thread.
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and the point being...

rstheboss said:
From the day wp7 released, the next release is always hyped up and touted as 'the' release to use. Similar thing happened when Microsoft showed a sneak peek of Mango 6 months before release and people started saying that everybody should wait for mango phones. Now WP8 details have leaked and everybody says we must wait for next gen phones to buy. This seems to be an ideal case of Osborne effect, where an announcement of a future version ahead of its availability impacts sales of the current generation. What do you guys think ?
p.s : To people who have not heard about this, check out in wikipedia about osborne effect. Since i am a newbie i am not allowed to paste links in the thread.
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Quite true. WP was rushed to the market and it's still lacking,
so it's the only way to promote it really.

doministry said:
Quite true. WP was rushed to the market and it's still lacking,
so it's the only way to promote it really.
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Lol, dude, don't you get tired of making the same pathetically repetitive posts over and over and over. We get it, it lacks in your eyes.
Anyway, OP, I think that's every platform. I'm sure a lot of people aren't buying Kinect sensors now waiting for Kinect 2, etc.

Its called Marketing, and it happens everywhere, including on other phone platforms and even phones. So... nothing new.

ummm no it doesn't happen on other phone platforms.
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Um yes they do. Look at apple. You think engineers can really take prototypes to a bar and lose them? Not with apples Nazi like control. what MS should do though is make the statement official that all 2nd generation phones will do Apollo so peeps don't wait.
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vetvito said:
ummm no it doesn't happen on other phone platforms.
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It doesn't happen on android because android is completely fragmented. Phones are still being sold with versions of the OS from two years ago. The difference is they are all called "Android OS" no matter which version is on it. Only tech savvy know there is a difference in versions.
Apple, has a schedule'ish they follow for updates.

People are dumb and they forget that new things are always around the corner. I pre-ordered 5 Lumia 900s and we're going to enjoy the **** out of them all year at least, probably a lot longer.
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ummm no it doesn't happen on other phone platforms.
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Android 4.0 is out. Now go look at all the Android phones selling every day (millions or something) and ask yourself which OS is on them?

I don't want to make this thread into a os war but what I meant was that windows phone 7 is the only os about which people are always excited about the next release and not the present. Nobody suggests to buy wp7 now because there is always something to wait for the next. I am aware that the leak about wp8 may not be intentional but it definitely affects phones like lumia 900. People who would have upgraded from first gen windows phones for the look and feel of nokia, will now wait and suggest the same to their friends - Wait for the next flagship. Nokia 1000 maybe ?

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Its called Marketing, and it happens everywhere, including on other phone platforms and even phones. So... nothing new.
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I am talking about an unintentional leak of wp8. Not the marketing for current crop of phones. Any sane tech guy would suggest new buyers asking for advice to wait for wp8 or buy some other phones after this leak and the coverage/hype it got.

Ha. Now a blog post about the same topic in WMPOWERUSER with same osbourne effect exactly a couple of hours i started this thread. I think they read every other thread discussed here for their blog posts.

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Nobody suggests to buy wp7 now because there is always something to wait for the next.
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I disagree. Looking at the threads where people are asking which WP to buy, I can't see people saying "wait for Windows Phone 8". Eight months is a long time to wait for a smartphone. Maybe the situation could be different if you already have a Windows Phone.
Also, I think this will affect iPhone more than Windows Phone. Over the next six months, I think you'll see more coverage / rumors about iPhone 5 than WP8.

rstheboss said:
I don't want to make this thread into a os war but what I meant was that windows phone 7 is the only os about which people are always excited about the next release and not the present. Nobody suggests to buy wp7 now because there is always something to wait for the next. I am aware that the leak about wp8 may not be intentional but it definitely affects phones like lumia 900. People who would have upgraded from first gen windows phones for the look and feel of nokia, will now wait and suggest the same to their friends - Wait for the next flagship. Nokia 1000 maybe ?
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NOPE. Rubbish.
Go look at those threads asking for which windows phone to buy?
I don't think a single post apart from the trolls would suggest waiting for next upgrade. Instead people are even suggesting Gen1 WP like HD7 or Samsung Focus. The non-android approach of WP where all handsets get upgrade for 2 years makes it a dead easy choice. Buy ANY one you like, the software will upgrade along with the release.
Hardware wise - yes unless you want NFC, Dual Cores - you would want to wait. Unlike iOS, there are huge screen, small screens, S-LCD, AMOLED, more than one OEM, different prices, different looks, same OS, same apps. Don't see what retard would want to suggest to wait, unless he owned/owns an android.

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Ha. Now a blog post about the same topic in WMPOWERUSER with same osbourne effect exactly a couple of hours i started this thread. I think they read every other thread discussed here for their blog posts.
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I doubt it. The issue is being discuss on a number for forums.

rstheboss said:
I am talking about an unintentional leak of wp8. Not the marketing for current crop of phones. Any sane tech guy would suggest new buyers asking for advice to wait for wp8 or buy some other phones after this leak and the coverage/hype it got.
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I understand your point. Some people are just argumentative and ready to bash a non confirming view.
Perfect example just the responses in this thread.
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Android 4.0 is out. Now go look at all the Android phones selling every day (millions or something) and ask yourself which OS is on them?
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What does that have to do with the topic?
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magicsquid said:
I disagree. Looking at the threads where people are asking which WP to buy, I can't see people saying "wait for Windows Phone 8". Eight months is a long time to wait for a smartphone. Maybe the situation could be different if you already have a Windows Phone.
Also, I think this will affect iPhone more than Windows Phone. Over the next six months, I think you'll see more coverage / rumors about iPhone 5 than WP8.
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Reguardless of wether it effects the waiting og the ios devices, every single one of them will buy.... another iphone. 4SS, 5, whatever. Its a very simple decision.

rstheboss said:
I am talking about an unintentional leak of wp8. Not the marketing for current crop of phones. Any sane tech guy would suggest new buyers asking for advice to wait for wp8 or buy some other phones after this leak and the coverage/hype it got.
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I still see that exact same scenario with every platform, more so on Android than any other.
That being said, there is ALWAYS something better around the corner. But Windows Phone and iOS are two of the few platforms where anyone sane can say that you can get a phone now and be pretty certain that the next update or iteration can run on it. That was a major point of Windows Phone from the start, and if you are seeing the opposite, then you are probably talking to or reading threads from people who know nothing about the platform.
There is really only one platform where I tell people specifically that there is always something newer and shinier around the corner, and that's Android. Fragmentation of the platform, uncertainty about future updates and manufacturer/carrier support, along with the fact that everyone and their mother is churning out tons of different hardware at absolutely unprecedented rates are chief reasons for saying so.
Also, you've got to remember that Windows Phone being a young platform, you're going to have a lot of people talking more about its potential because it is early in it's lifetime. The same thing happened with Android and iOS. The Internet was absolutely buzzing with the potential of both platforms as they both grew and matured. Now that both platforms have somewhat matured, you don't have as much talk about the future and their potential as you used to (but it certainly still happens). The same will be for Windows Phone. As Microsoft develops and continues to expand its platform, people are going to continue to talk about its potential and its future until it gets mature enough where you won't see huge, major changes. Where every update the biggest change will be the version number, more so than the features of the platform.
Of course people are excited for Windows Phone's future and want to talk about it, but there are also many people very happy with it right now as well, its just more fun to talk about the "what ifs" and the "what could be".
Wait till something leaks about iOS 6 or Android 5.0, the same buzz about its potential and future will spike. As usual.
So again, nothing new.

Please provide a link or source to other platforms talking about a new update a half a year before release. Please.
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Lumia owner cheated and angry.

Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
2. No

A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.

pgsxdjp said:
A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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I believe it's a very good point for the class action against MS and AT&T. Just keep googling for that and be ready to join

Won my lumia 900, and I planed to get an updated wp8 device anyway, so, to answer your question, no I don't feel cheated. I might be angry at myself anyway for buying one knowing dual core was coming in a few months (if I had signed a contract)

Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all. I imagine more is coming in 7.8 than they stated today. Joe Belfiore was very specific that they have MANY great things to talk about with consumer features, but that wasn't the point of the conference today.

I'll feel pretty cheated if the only features WP7.8 gets is the new start screen...

pgsxdjp said:
A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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Im going to sell.

The technoweenie in me wants to buy a WP8 when it comes out, but the realistic human in me feels cheated...
I just bought the Lumia 900, and to hear that a new version of the OS is coming out soon and that the product I just bought will be un-supported and development ceased (for the most part) pisses me off...
I'm pissed off enough that I'm still waiting for a purple screen fix, and now this?

If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
Looks like the Lumia 900 is going to be the Galaxy S+ of the Windows world.
Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
Not receiving updates seems to get normal in the mobile industry in some way.
This would be the point to switch to Android for me, but I'm not a big WP7 fan I have to admit.
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land.apfel said:
If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
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Why? We don't even know the Windows Phone 7.8 features?
land.apfel said:
Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
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We've received two manufacturer updates already. And there have been at least two announced future updates... Tango and Windows Phone 7.8.
dtboos said:
Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all.
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This is an interesting concept. So you think we should actually wait and see what updated features we will be getting before criticizing them? Great idea!
gbjohnson said:
Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
2. No
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Once all Windows Phone 8 and 7.8 are out why don't you ask this question and add a poll to your thread? Make it a good poll with at least one option that says I'm satisfied.

There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.

at45 said:
There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.
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I don't know about the Hardware requirements. I haven't watched the keynote, but I don't think they've given a NFC requirement for all phones. Interesting thought. I guess it could happen. I don't think it will, although it would be nice, of course. Then again, maybe WP7.8 will be better than thought. Who knows?

I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
Ok so we may not get the true multi tasking and Skype running in the background - we don't actually know yet - but did you buy your phone only on the basis that you would definitely get that one day? Is your phone suddenly going to stop working the day WP8 comes out? Are app developers all suddenly going to abandon the installed base of users for a new OS that doesn't have one yet?

When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.

OndraSter said:
When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.
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Its always been said that skype couldnt work on WP7 due to the way the OS operates and while its not great im still happy they released some sort of app rather then not bother at all

sensboston said:
I believe it's a very good point for the class action against MS and AT&T. Just keep googling for that and be ready to join
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You can't be serious?!

Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.

bmstrong said:
Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.
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This is different. The Lumia is a flagship that just came out. I'm amazed at how some of you are okay with this.
"Get over it and move to the future."?
Wtf man, what about all the people who got this on contract? You expect them to just "move to the future" and buy a new device off contract this early on?
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LOL... I think Nokia gonna do something to help out the customer who did bought the Lumia product recently... I got what you mean...
Da, it sucks to register for a device for 2 years and then stuck with it (that is why i never sign the damn contract). But i believe Windows Phone 7.8 is actually Windows Phone 8 BUT without all the functions that require the physical hardware to handle.
Time will tell. Personally, i don't feel any lost, i changed phone almost every holiday season of the year. 2010 = First Windows Phone (HD7), 2011 = Mango Windows Phone (Eternity) , 2012 = Windows Phone 8. I am curious about what HTC has to offer for us.

redwhiteandblue said:
I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
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I think you may have just described Microsoft's reason for not updating existing phones i.e. not because they are too old or too slow but because they won't benefit enough from the new features to justify the investment.
"Microsoft’s Greg Sullivan revealed the reasons behind the company’s choice not to offer a direct upgrade from Windows Phone 7.x to Windows Phone 8.
Describing some of the latest hardware changes in Windows Phone 8, that we outline here, Sullivan explained that "the nature of the investment [in Windows Phone 8] is primarily in areas that are not exploitable by existing hardware." Windows Phone 8 introduces support for multi-core processors, amongst other things, so the "Lumia 900 getting support for using dual-core or NFC doesn't mean a lot," says Sullivan, "because it doesn't have the hardware to take advantage of that." Microsoft decided to focus its efforts on Windows Phone 8 to make it as good as it possibly could. "To do the work to bring all of those elements to a platform that can't exploit them wasn't necessarily the most efficient use of resource," explains Sullivan."
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Damage control suggestions for Microsoft/Nokia in light of all this?

Although I understand why WP8 will not be compatible with existing devices, the bad PR is not exactly helping Microsoft/Nokia. The consolation prize of WP7.8 is not enough to dispel the Osborne Effect that is very likely to occur between now and the time WP8 devices are released.
So let's use this topic to suggest some damage control possibilities based on what's happening NOW, not what Microsoft coulda/shoulda/woulda done (there are plenty of other topics covering the latter).
I think Microsoft/Nokia/carriers should have a trade-in program: trade in a WP7 device for credit off of a new WP8 device. Depending on the trade-in amount, it may or may not stop the bleeding from the Osborne-inflicted wounds, though.
Any other suggestions?

killerb255 said:
I think Microsoft/Nokia/carriers should have a trade-in program: trade in a WP7 device for credit off of a new WP8 device.
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Why? They gave you a Lumia 900 or free. What more do you want?

An expansion of the "Registered Enthusiasts" program that would give us carrier locked stock images of a stripped down WP8 build or a $100 credit from Microsoft upon request.

sitizenx said:
Why? They gave you a Lumia 900 or free. What more do you want?
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Aside from the word "you" in the second sentence, good point. Many people got the Lumia 900 for free with contract, so it's not like they're being totally shafted.
Other suggestions or rebuttals? Keep in mind that the PR is still bad, and people are not exactly thinking "well, I got a free phone, I should be grateful." They're thinking "OMG, M$ jus skrewd mez!"

Look at the big picture.
The market share wasn't going to get any bigger in the next 3 to 5 months, especially with no new flash ship devices on the horizon.
With Windows 8 and this kernel, there will be a surge of developers. Tons of amazing apps, the market share will explode.
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I think they should stop talking to us as if we're retarded. Just that. Come clean and say "we're not updating you to WP8 because we don't want to". Enough with the "kernel re-write" stuff, it doesn't make sense. It's like saying you can't run Windows 8 on a Windows XP PC with enough power to run it because it has a different kernel.

I think trade in is the way forward. Based on IMEI they would know what phones were sold free, subsidized or full price. Pay the trade in value accordingly.
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I am thinking along the lines of put as many goodies in the WP7.8 build and that way the consumers get a taste of the new OS and then go out and buy a new WP8, Not far from what's already in the pipeline I know but just exactly the way I would now treat this situation, Not everyone will be happy, But then again when is everyone ever happy

guilhermedsx said:
I think they should stop talking to us as if we're retarded. Just that. Come clean and say "we're not updating you to WP8 because we don't want to". Enough with the "kernel re-write" stuff, it doesn't make sense. It's like saying you can't run Windows 8 on a Windows XP PC with enough power to run it because it has a different kernel.
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A better analogy would be comparing Windows 9x (95/98/Millennium) with NT (2000/XP/Vista/7/8). Those have different kernels, but can run on the same x86 processors.
Either way, your point has merit. Windows RT is being written for ARM architecture...why not Windows Phone 8? One possibility could be that current hardware is just too dang slow, and we could have another early-gen Android-like situation, where single-core Android phones that aren't optimized (i.e.: rooted, Wi-Fi turned off, kill unused background apps, etc) run slow.
If the problem is more of a political/financial one, rather than a technical one, then I'm sure the fine cooks here at XDA will eventually come up with a way to run a Windows Phone 8 ROM on existing hardware.
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I am thinking along the lines of put as many goodies in the WP7.8 build and that way the consumers get a taste of the new OS and then go out and buy a new WP8, Not far from what's already in the pipeline I know but just exactly the way I would now treat this situation, Not everyone will be happy, But then again when is everyone ever happy
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Hopefully they release a complete list of updates to be put in Windows Phone 7.8, if for no other reason than to try and pacify the masses.
...of course this is assuming that the complete list consists of more than just the WP8 UI update...
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Look at the big picture.
The market share wasn't going to get any bigger in the next 3 to 5 months, especially with no new flash ship devices on the horizon.
With Windows 8 and this kernel, there will be a surge of developers. Tons of amazing apps, the market share will explode.
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True, but I wonder if Nokia can afford to wait that long...

The start screen isn't the only update in 7.8; its just the only one we KNOW about. Microsoft didn't completely release WP7.8 to the public because they aren't done with it. So don't jump to conclusions because you might just be happy with what's in the update.

If the problem is more of a political/financial one, rather than a technical one, then I'm sure the fine cooks here at XDA will eventually come up with a way to run a Windows Phone 8 ROM on existing hardware.
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Hoping that the current hardware will work on 8... but they could throw all the hardware under the bus... as we saw from 6.x to 7.
Other than us 'enthusiasts', does the casual phone user really care whether their 900 will work with WP8 (other than the availability - or lack therof - of apps)?
The fact that none of the 6.x programs will work on 7 tells you that usoft is in it for the long haul (either that, or they made a SERIOUS miscalculation)! I know... it's a total re-vamp of the software.. had to do it... is 8 going to be as drastic of a change?
At least they are saying 'WP7 programs might have to have a 'minor' tweak' to run on 8... will give WP7 users some hope.
(I'm on the edge of getting a 900 (still running my tilt 2), but I'm not happy about some of the aps that I use on the t2 aren't available for WP7). The developers say 'they are looking into it'...
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Nokia has done trade-ins before. I remember them doing it for at least the last 2 years.
At least this would be an option for those are complaining that they are stuck with the same phone for the remaining of their contract. Plus, it would help generate some momentum when the new devices are introduced. Microsoft is going to need to WP8 users right away and cannot wait multiple years to reach 2%. So give people who were loyal a discount when the phones are launched.
Microsoft, Nokia, and others could very well do nothing like when WP7 replaced Windows Mobile. We also know that there were large numbers of people who left permanently when this happened.

eeeelliott said:
The start screen isn't the only update in 7.8; its just the only one we KNOW about. Microsoft didn't completely release WP7.8 to the public because they aren't done with it. So don't jump to conclusions because you might just be happy with what's in the update.
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Actually, Microsoft have apparently said that WP7.8 is the start screen only. See links below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLEB8CC228C5239441&v=fTNHgfy7lY8&feature=player_detailpage#t=5052s
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476

tim051 said:
The fact that none of the 6.x programs will work on 7 tells you that usoft is in it for the long haul (either that, or they made a SERIOUS miscalculation)! I know... it's a total re-vamp of the software.. had to do it... is 8 going to be as drastic of a change?
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No. WP7 programs will still work on WP8.
tim051 said:
Hoping that the current hardware will work on 8... but they could throw all the hardware under the bus... as we saw from 6.x to 7.
Other than us 'enthusiasts', does the casual phone user really care whether their 900 will work with WP8 (other than the availability - or lack therof - of apps)?
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No.