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Dumbing down search function to only include internet searches, no local (device) searches!!! weak sauce...
I only used this search once since december.
Maybe Google updated the nexii at the I/ O to pass it out to the devs is the same reason Apple doesn't want it on the nexus it will be in the community and out of their hands....idk my 2ยข
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ICS already removes most of my favorite features of android. Long press for widgets, a simple settings button.
Didn't hear anyone ***** about that. Now that its something petty everyone is Mega butt hurt.
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I have spotlight search on my iPhone and have never once used it. I'm not saying no one uses this feature since I don't but life will move on for Android without it.
Maybe they just remove the feature from the phones in stores. After you buy it, you'll get an OTA and everything's back to normal. ;-)
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Maybe they just remove the feature from the phones in stores. After you buy it, you'll get an OTA and everything's back to normal. ;-)
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Yeah that would be complicated for Google.
Just a thought... so they're saying that root or not you're gonna get the downgrade (unless you're on a custom rom) but surely if you rename a couple of unimportant system files or say, flash a different radio the ota won't stick will it?
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Just a thought... so they're saying that root or not you're gonna get the downgrade (unless you're on a custom rom) but surely if you rename a couple of unimportant system files or say, flash a different radio the ota won't stick will it?
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You may get the notification, just simply ignore it.........
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Never used that feature to be honest, so it's a price I'm personally willing to pay to prevent a ban. I'm sure some people use it frequently, but I'd think even they'd agree that it's better than getting the phone banned. Ensuring the continual growth of this phone's user base is only beneficial for current owners.
I hope it gets reversed. Universal search is something Android does so nicely. Being able to go in the settings and decide which apps can be included for example IMDB or foursquare so you can initiate search/check-in without first going into the app itself.
I really hope that pending patent for Google in regards to notification drawer eventually goes through. Before iOS implemented that feature I heard quite a fair share of complaints from friends with iphones primarily about how annoying a bunch of pop up notifications can be.
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Getting more and more reluctant towards Apple. I used to dislike that company due to their religious fanboys, but... After all those pseudo-patent actions... No comments.
I personally use the search-all feature a lot, both for quick contact access (have a couple hundrets of people in my People app) as well as for quick app launch (well, being an app junkie, swiping through all the launcher pages eats hell lotta time) and for web search as well.
As far as I remember, search-all feature was available in old Symbian phones as well, and some implementations were also available in WinMo. How could this be patented by the fruit-company? Getting more and more tired of not-so-brilliant judges granting dumb bans. Judges should cancel dumb patents instead!
(like rectangular shape patent!! how come one can patent a RECTANGULAR SHAPE?! Slide to unlock - ok, nice feature, but how come anyone could grant as generic patent as "unlocking by dragging one object along path to a specific position"?!)
I can't wait for the day Apple looses its cool with the worlds sheep population. And I hope some big company sues the absolute **** out of apple.
Karma is a *****
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Why are there 2 threads for the same topic?
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Why are there 2 threads for the same topic?
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Definitely not seeing the other thread. Its no big deal anyways.
Good to see Samsung (might) get their best device rolling once more. Had they not I would went on an iPhone murder rampage.
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I have 3 boys, ages 11-15, and not an Apple product in the house - I implemented my own ban long ago. Though now that I've got my Nuxus, I really want to experiment with using it as a desktop replacement, and the demo video I've seen makes Apple's Magic Trackpad look like the ideal way to do it.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/07/03/samsung-and-google-to-release-ota-update-to-galaxy-nexus-to-avoid-injunction-ban/
Dumbing down search function to only include internet searches, no local (device) searches!!! weak sauce...
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Yeah, honestly, I've never used search to find local content on my phone. However, I did use individual applications own search (like contacts perhaps?). I don't think all of this suing Apple is doing is going to have much harm if any.
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Getting more and more reluctant towards Apple. I used to dislike that company due to their religious fanboys, but... After all those pseudo-patent actions... No comments.
I personally use the search-all feature a lot, both for quick contact access (have a couple hundrets of people in my People app) as well as for quick app launch (well, being an app junkie, swiping through all the launcher pages eats hell lotta time) and for web search as well.
As far as I remember, search-all feature was available in old Symbian phones as well, and some implementations were also available in WinMo. How could this be patented by the fruit-company? Getting more and more tired of not-so-brilliant judges granting dumb bans. Judges should cancel dumb patents instead!
(like rectangular shape patent!! how come one can patent a RECTANGULAR SHAPE?! Slide to unlock - ok, nice feature, but how come anyone could grant as generic patent as "unlocking by dragging one object along path to a specific position"?!)
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I totally agree. I'm not a patent lawyer and I don't know the history completely of mobile devices - but - it does seem that older devices had this search-all-content feature before Apple ever did. Remember, Apple implemented this feature back in the 3G days I beleive which was in 2008. Hell, I think the 8320 Blackberry had this feature if I'm not mistaken and was released in 2007 - I'll dig my old BB 8320 out and look for this.
Now, if Apple ultimately wins this case it WILL set a precedent for future cases and allow them to win more easily if they decide to pursue other handset makers. I personally think Google should just include the web-search only interface/widget and then offer up another Search-All widget in the market which would then overwrite the current one installed.
I wonder if this means that we will no longer be able to do things like initiate a text message or a call by voice. I sure hope not, because I use these features almost daily. It really is a shame that Apple has to have such ridiculous anticompetitive practices. Without competition, everyone will lose in the end.
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I occasionally use search and see the results returned from all phone items. While handy and not directly used, I do like this.
My hope is that Samsung does nothing until the trial. If it works the way I have read, any logical design or function can be contested in patent disputes. (E.g. rectangular phone, search means search...not just web search).
This approach protects competitors who are in the same business and work toward logical design. Note that this is my interpretation of what I read and by no means fact.
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Why are there 2 threads for the same topic?
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They were going to make 1 but deciding to make 2 just to annoy you.
J/K
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A thread was recently opened where a dropbox apk was pulled from a new phone and made available to android users on other phones, in this particular case, the SGS2. The apk allowed a user to have 48 GB of extra space on the Dropbox service. The thread was subsequently closed due to the apk being labeled as warez. A few arguments were made that because the apk in that form was not available in the Play Store it was therefore warez. That seems wrong to me. Many apks are made available by hackers and devs that are from other phones and are not available on the Google Play Store.
On Dropbox you are only able to get 2GB of storage for free if you sign up for the service. This apk got around that limitation and gave a free level user much more. I understand, I think, why some consider this warez but how is it fundamentally different from other apks that are snatched from phones and made available to people who chose not to purchase the phone the apk was developed to sell? All exclusive apps in a new phone are a form of business investment. If someone takes an awesome camera app that cannot be otherwise obtained unless one buys the new phone, then how is porting that apk to say a legacy phone where now a user can access that investment for no money?
Are there licensing issues at play here that make a ported camera apk or other similar type apk ethical to port? I find this to be an interesting ethical and perhaps technical issue. I'd like to learn more about the underpinning thought process for declaring some things warez while other software is just another ported apk.
If you know how this works, please chime in. I'm very interested. Maybe others are as well. Thanks in advance for anything you can offer.
Yea that was my trend they got shut down. Guess I will keep my secrets to my self from now on! Don't want to piss anyone off or get banned from xda! Everyone is so scared of Warez and being labeled as a pirate! Only going to get worse as time goes by!
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Might want to remove all the Adobe flash apk trends floating around since they are not being supported by Jelly Bean devices or Roms. According to Adobe. That can also be called Warez right? Or I'm I wrong?
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Yea that was my trend they got shut down. Guess I will keep my secrets to my self from now on! Don't want to piss anyone off or get banned from xda! Everyone is so scared of Warez and being labeled as a pirate! Only going to get worse as time goes by!
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Might want to remove all the Adobe flash apk trends floating around since they are not being supported by Jelly Bean devices or Roms. According to Adobe. That can also be called Warez right? Or I'm I wrong?
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Wrong. Pirated apps are modified applications that are different than their original intent. This could be an application that was compiled to be free, to "steal" media, to expand on services such as this drop box "hack".
There are plenty of android websites that are devoted to promoting this type of content. Even though the FBI shut down 3 this week, there are hundreds more.
With that said, I have a few apps in my library that I probably shouldn't. Shhhh.......
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I think they should use the imei numbers instead of the build numbers.
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I'm a Pirate by trade! So lock me up and throw away the key! 3 get shut down and 100s more just pop up. They will never be able to stop it! It's just the start!
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i like the part where the guy who reported it, kept on crying this is warez, this is warez! like what this OP was saying. If you're using any of the ROMs that uses the s3 launcher... WAREZ~!
like dude just report it if you don't like it and move on.
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I'm a Pirate by trade! So lock me up and throw away the key! 3 get shut down and 100s more just pop up. They will never be able to stop it! It's just the start!
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In America they are trying to pass laws which allow the government full control of the internet.. it's honestly scary.
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In America they are trying to pass laws which allow the government full control of the internet.. it's honestly scary.
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Yea just another way the feds/government are trying to control us! So.much for land of the free! Nothing is free here. What a joke! Lol
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Good question. I wondered the same thing.
There is a thread on a modified version of skype that actually gives audible ring tones, among other things that skype developers neglected. It's quite ingenious work.
Is it warez too??
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Everyone at some point or another has used warez. I do however agree the Dropbox .apk wasn't warez but however was an exploit. I myself used it because morally I see nothing wrong with it and I thank the guy. I support Drop box and have been using it for as long as I can remember. When people steal from developers like Applanet did before it got closed down, well that's just unacceptable.
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Did not realize there was such shakey ground when figuring out what warez is. Quite simple it has always been any modified app(usually paid) that has been made to use without purchase of a license. Lets be honest warez have been around for ever and ever and a day. Some of the people that cry about stuff really need to go sit down somewhere.
Its ok to cry about eg. dropbox but then use a rom with the wifi hack in it? Download mp3's with a special app or use one of the many other questionable apk's according to his/her definition of warez.
Definition for warez:
Web definitions:
Warez refers primarily to copyrighted works distributed without fees or royalties, and may be traded, in general violation of copyright...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez
With regards to the specific dropbox.apk, it is stealing since that space on dropbox was not allocated to users of older phone models. I wouldn't call it "warez" as such, but it was allowing people to have access to space that they did not pay for or that the manufacturer of their phone did not pay for through their deal with dropbox. Dropbox allows people to have a certain amount of space for free. People using this apk were taking more than they were allowed to access. That is wrong and XDA should not allow it.
The difference between that apk and other apks being ported over is that this apk was not designed to run as a self contained application like a game or something, but as a link to off-device storage. These are very different situations so not really analogous. An inexact but somewhat better analogy would be a paid application for a specific device that someone else ports to another device but they are charging for it and not giving money or credit to the original developer. This is not right and would also not be allowed on XDA.
Also, Dropbox DID reclaim that space. I know a number of people in the Sensation forum were sent notices and lost that extra space and the stuff on it.
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A thread was recently opened where a dropbox apk was pulled from a new phone and made available to android users on other phones, in this particular case, the SGS2. The apk allowed a user to have 48 GB of extra space on the Dropbox service. The thread was subsequently closed due to the apk being labeled as warez. A few arguments were made that because the apk in that form was not available in the Play Store it was therefore warez. That seems wrong to me. Many apks are made available by hackers and devs that are from other phones and are not available on the Google Play Store.
On Dropbox you are only able to get 2GB of storage for free if you sign up for the service. This apk got around that limitation and gave a free level user much more. I understand, I think, why some consider this warez but how is it fundamentally different from other apks that are snatched from phones and made available to people who chose not to purchase the phone the apk was developed to sell? All exclusive apps in a new phone are a form of business investment. If someone takes an awesome camera app that cannot be otherwise obtained unless one buys the new phone, then how is porting that apk to say a legacy phone where now a user can access that investment for no money?
Are there licensing issues at play here that make a ported camera apk or other similar type apk ethical to port? I find this to be an interesting ethical and perhaps technical issue. I'd like to learn more about the underpinning thought process for declaring some things warez while other software is just another ported apk.
If you know how this works, please chime in. I'm very interested. Maybe others are as well. Thanks in advance for anything you can offer.
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With regards to the specific dropbox.apk, it is stealing since that space on dropbox was not allocated to users of older phone models. I wouldn't call it "warez" as such, but it was allowing people to have access to space that they did not pay for or that the manufacturer of their phone did not pay for through their deal with dropbox. Dropbox allows people to have a certain amount of space for free. People using this apk were taking more than they were allowed to access. That is wrong and XDA should not allow it.
The difference between that apk and other apks being ported over is that this apk was not designed to run as a self contained application like a game or something, but as a link to off-device storage. These are very different situations so not really analogous. An inexact but somewhat better analogy would be a paid application for a specific device that someone else ports to another device but they are charging for it and not giving money or credit to the original developer. This is not right and would also not be allowed on XDA.
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If we extend your argument to a ROM, which is a collection of Apps and system,
if someone ports the sgs3 launcher to sgs2, is that warez?
If someone ports the HTC sense to sgs, is that warez?
Should the whole mod community be shut down?
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If we extend your argument to a ROM, which is a collection of Apps and system,
if someone ports the sgs3 launcher to sgs2, is that warez?
If someone ports the HTC sense to sgs, is that warez?
Should the whole mod community be shut down?
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Samsung and HTC might say yes to those questions. I don't know myself, this is a gray area and the XDA team seems to take the general approach that if a reasonable person could think it is warez, then it is removed to avoid potential liability issues for the site as a whole.
For the launcher and sense specifically, I am not positive but I believe that the source code has been released and is available to all to download and compile, putting them on a completely different level than compiled apks which have been modified.
We have had this talk many times. The deal is that the devices OEM has paid said service for the ability to offer it on the phone. If it is used on any other phone that it was not paid to be on is what makes makes it warez. Like swype. It is allowed to be in a rom if the device came with it preinstalled but if it wasn't then it is considered warez. If a company asks us to pull it then we will.
As for the launchers. If Sense was ever fully ported to a non HTC device be sure that HTC would issue a C&D order that we would follow and then pull all links for it.
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We have had this talk many times. The deal is that the devices OEM has paid said service for the ability to offer it on the phone. If it is used on any other phone that it was not paid to be on is what makes makes it warez. Like swype. It is allowed to be in a rom if the device came with it preinstalled but if it wasn't then it is considered warez. If a company asks us to pull it then we will.
As for the launchers. If Sense was ever fully ported to a non HTC device be sure that HTC would issue a C&D order that we would follow and then pull all links for it.
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The twiz launcher has been ported to non Samsung devices.
Also wouldn't things like the old NFL app that was ported to non Verizon phones be the same situation? Those forums weren't closed the entire season until Verizon fixed it permanently then it didn't matter. Or porting the Sony launcher to a Samsung device, or porting the COD game from the xperia play... these are all examples of the exact same situation as the drop box situation. I don't use drop box that much so it doesn't matter to me, I just don't understand the line between porting for a benefit of developing and warez. Understanding how to get an app to work across different devices is considered developing isn't it? Cyanogen got a C&D letter for developing a version of android to be released on a device that got the exact same version months later. So in theory, isn't every JB port considered to be warez? Every leak? Every ported leak?
Situations like this are what cause a lower likelihood of people contributing back. If someone found an exploit, let the app creators fix the hole. That's the way it was for the NFL app. That was eventually turned into a hack. Then Verizon found a way to block it so only their customers could use it.
Just my $0.02
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The twiz launcher has been ported to non Samsung devices.
Also wouldn't things like the old NFL app that was ported to non Verizon phones be the same situation? Those forums weren't closed the entire season until Verizon fixed it permanently then it didn't matter. Or porting the Sony launcher to a Samsung device, or porting the COD game from the xperia play... these are all examples of the exact same situation as the drop box situation. I don't use drop box that much so it doesn't matter to me, I just don't understand the line between porting for a benefit of developing and warez. Understanding how to get an app to work across different devices is considered developing isn't it? Cyanogen got a C&D letter for developing a version of android to be released on a device that got the exact same version months later. So in theory, isn't every JB port considered to be warez? Every leak? Every ported leak?
Situations like this are what cause a lower likelihood of people contributing back. If someone found an exploit, let the app creators fix the hole. That's the way it was for the NFL app. That was eventually turned into a hack. Then Verizon found a way to block it so only their customers could use it.
Just my $0.02
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As for the CM team they got a C&D order to remove the gapps from their rom, which they did and is the reason AOSP roms dont have them included.
No that is not considered Developing. That is just porting. Big diff.
Understand that XDA works in the grey on alot of things, but if we get asked to pull something from the apps developers then we will pull it.
An example of what zelendel said about being asked to remove something, can be found here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1891055&postcount=287
Velcro. What a rip off!
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As for the CM team they got a C&D order to remove the gapps from their rom, which they did and is the reason AOSP roms dont have them included.
No that is not considered Developing. That is just porting. Big diff.
Understand that XDA works in the grey on alot of things, but if we get asked to pull something from the apps developers then we will pull it.
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As I understood, the C&D was for releasing their newest market without permission. The agreement was made to remove gapps and make a recovery of them available to people who use them. This is also where the development for CM started taking off. This leaves then issue of gapps for all ROMs then. Since they are still ports are to be removed and added using the flash able zip (aosp style)?
I'm not trying to cause a rift. Just trying to help define a line. Does this mean drop box contacted a mod and asked the file to be removed?
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I'm not trying to cause a rift. Just trying to help define a line. Does this mean drop box contacted a mod and asked the file to be removed?
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The dropbox offer was only good for two years. It's just a marketing promo to get new users hooked and then charge them the normal rate. Maybe they are happy to have more people hooked. Otherwise why wouldn't they block it or reverse it at the server side?
Regarding software intended for a certain phone us considered warez If used on another phone, is there an official statement about this from the phone manufacturers??
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Ok, I am not sure exactly where I should be posting this(whether in the Q&A forum, or the general forum or the apps forum, etc). But I am in need and search of a bill managing application that is free and does the following: allows me to put it all of monthly bills, when they are due, how often the occur, lets me put in how much my paychecks are each week, allows me to divide each bill into multiple payments a month(like it tells me how much I need to set aside from each paycheck up to the due date for the bill).
Did I post this in the right section first off, if not, what section should I have correctly posted this in ?
Does anyone know of a bill managing app that is free and lets me do what I need/want it to do ?
mint.com is nice
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I use clear checkbook. Would hate life without.
anMoney is still on sale for $5 (normally $15).
I don't know if I'm posting in the right place but I had something on my mind I wanted to throw out there. I really liked the marketplace and loved getting the good deals. I was wondering if there was a way to bring it back but not leave it open to every one to make there own deals. Maybe if could elect some trustworthy members that are well known and had positive feedback to make all transactions through. Trades or sales those members will be the middle man. Process will be a little slower and a little more money for shipping because it will be making two stops instead of one but at least it gives you a opportunity to experience the marketplace again. This should eliminate scams along as the members we choose are trustworthy. Maybe if we prepare our self to pay at least 30 for shipping. Reason being is because on a average is about $10 to ship maybe more depending on if you get insurance, but 10 to ship to the middle man, 10 to get to the destination and $10 paid to the middle man for handling our transaction. Just a thought.
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Yeah they've done this many times in another forum I used to go to for kicks, (solecollector).
What I dont understand though, is why XDA closed it in the first place.
They are not liable for anything, everything is the buyer/sellers liability as it was THEIR own self who chose to do the transaction.
As long as XDA is not liable for anything, I think they should bring it back.
A lot of people have left these forums due to that.
Hopefully they re-open it soon...
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Yeah they've done this many times in another forum I used to go to for kicks, (solecollector).
What I dont understand though, is why XDA closed it in the first place.
They are not liable for anything, everything is the buyer/sellers liability as it was THEIR own self who chose to do the transaction.
As long as XDA is not liable for anything, I think they should bring it back.
A lot of people have left these forums due to that.
Hopefully they re-open it soon...
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While perhaps not necessarily legally liable, when scams occur right and left, it may have been an ethics decision on the part of the staff. If you owned a site or property rife with immoral or illicit behavior, although you could legally not be held liable, you might still take action to attempt to protect the "innocent" if you will, even at the expense of some good deals.
Ultimately it was the staff decision to shut it down, and I doubt anyone is going to convince them otherwise at this point unless they decide on a new system according to their own internal discussions.
Wish they would reconsider reopening it also
I find myself visiting XDA less ever since the market place was closed... really hope they do bring it back one day. :/
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Me too. I really think that system could work
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I use xda less now too
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At the time, we said we were looking at what else we could do. I think you won't be disappointed if you "sit tight" so to speak.
I'm not a themer so I'm not even sure how useful this would be. But while it's old software, supposedly it's still incredibly powerful for graphics designers?
If it's not useful then just ignore this thread.
Free today-only:
http://dailysoftwaredeal.com/seller/adobe-photoshop-cs2-free/
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I'm not a themer so I'm not even sure how useful this would be. But while it's old software, supposedly it's still incredibly powerful for graphics designers?
If it's not useful then just ignore this thread.
Free today-only:
http://dailysoftwaredeal.com/seller/adobe-photoshop-cs2-free/
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FYI - This will not work on current versions of OSX.
Those serials match the ones that Adobe put out there for owners of Photos hop CS2 who were having activation issues, back in 2013 I believe. You are not supposed to use those serials if you don't legitimately own the software.
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/creative-suite-2-activation-end-life.html
Any deal of the day type site offering Photoshop CS2 for free seems super shady to me.
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