A thread was recently opened where a dropbox apk was pulled from a new phone and made available to android users on other phones, in this particular case, the SGS2. The apk allowed a user to have 48 GB of extra space on the Dropbox service. The thread was subsequently closed due to the apk being labeled as warez. A few arguments were made that because the apk in that form was not available in the Play Store it was therefore warez. That seems wrong to me. Many apks are made available by hackers and devs that are from other phones and are not available on the Google Play Store.
On Dropbox you are only able to get 2GB of storage for free if you sign up for the service. This apk got around that limitation and gave a free level user much more. I understand, I think, why some consider this warez but how is it fundamentally different from other apks that are snatched from phones and made available to people who chose not to purchase the phone the apk was developed to sell? All exclusive apps in a new phone are a form of business investment. If someone takes an awesome camera app that cannot be otherwise obtained unless one buys the new phone, then how is porting that apk to say a legacy phone where now a user can access that investment for no money?
Are there licensing issues at play here that make a ported camera apk or other similar type apk ethical to port? I find this to be an interesting ethical and perhaps technical issue. I'd like to learn more about the underpinning thought process for declaring some things warez while other software is just another ported apk.
If you know how this works, please chime in. I'm very interested. Maybe others are as well. Thanks in advance for anything you can offer.
Yea that was my trend they got shut down. Guess I will keep my secrets to my self from now on! Don't want to piss anyone off or get banned from xda! Everyone is so scared of Warez and being labeled as a pirate! Only going to get worse as time goes by!
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Might want to remove all the Adobe flash apk trends floating around since they are not being supported by Jelly Bean devices or Roms. According to Adobe. That can also be called Warez right? Or I'm I wrong?
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Yea that was my trend they got shut down. Guess I will keep my secrets to my self from now on! Don't want to piss anyone off or get banned from xda! Everyone is so scared of Warez and being labeled as a pirate! Only going to get worse as time goes by!
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Might want to remove all the Adobe flash apk trends floating around since they are not being supported by Jelly Bean devices or Roms. According to Adobe. That can also be called Warez right? Or I'm I wrong?
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Wrong. Pirated apps are modified applications that are different than their original intent. This could be an application that was compiled to be free, to "steal" media, to expand on services such as this drop box "hack".
There are plenty of android websites that are devoted to promoting this type of content. Even though the FBI shut down 3 this week, there are hundreds more.
With that said, I have a few apps in my library that I probably shouldn't. Shhhh.......
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I think they should use the imei numbers instead of the build numbers.
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I'm a Pirate by trade! So lock me up and throw away the key! 3 get shut down and 100s more just pop up. They will never be able to stop it! It's just the start!
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i like the part where the guy who reported it, kept on crying this is warez, this is warez! like what this OP was saying. If you're using any of the ROMs that uses the s3 launcher... WAREZ~!
like dude just report it if you don't like it and move on.
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I'm a Pirate by trade! So lock me up and throw away the key! 3 get shut down and 100s more just pop up. They will never be able to stop it! It's just the start!
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In America they are trying to pass laws which allow the government full control of the internet.. it's honestly scary.
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In America they are trying to pass laws which allow the government full control of the internet.. it's honestly scary.
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Yea just another way the feds/government are trying to control us! So.much for land of the free! Nothing is free here. What a joke! Lol
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Good question. I wondered the same thing.
There is a thread on a modified version of skype that actually gives audible ring tones, among other things that skype developers neglected. It's quite ingenious work.
Is it warez too??
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Everyone at some point or another has used warez. I do however agree the Dropbox .apk wasn't warez but however was an exploit. I myself used it because morally I see nothing wrong with it and I thank the guy. I support Drop box and have been using it for as long as I can remember. When people steal from developers like Applanet did before it got closed down, well that's just unacceptable.
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Did not realize there was such shakey ground when figuring out what warez is. Quite simple it has always been any modified app(usually paid) that has been made to use without purchase of a license. Lets be honest warez have been around for ever and ever and a day. Some of the people that cry about stuff really need to go sit down somewhere.
Its ok to cry about eg. dropbox but then use a rom with the wifi hack in it? Download mp3's with a special app or use one of the many other questionable apk's according to his/her definition of warez.
Definition for warez:
Web definitions:
Warez refers primarily to copyrighted works distributed without fees or royalties, and may be traded, in general violation of copyright...
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With regards to the specific dropbox.apk, it is stealing since that space on dropbox was not allocated to users of older phone models. I wouldn't call it "warez" as such, but it was allowing people to have access to space that they did not pay for or that the manufacturer of their phone did not pay for through their deal with dropbox. Dropbox allows people to have a certain amount of space for free. People using this apk were taking more than they were allowed to access. That is wrong and XDA should not allow it.
The difference between that apk and other apks being ported over is that this apk was not designed to run as a self contained application like a game or something, but as a link to off-device storage. These are very different situations so not really analogous. An inexact but somewhat better analogy would be a paid application for a specific device that someone else ports to another device but they are charging for it and not giving money or credit to the original developer. This is not right and would also not be allowed on XDA.
Also, Dropbox DID reclaim that space. I know a number of people in the Sensation forum were sent notices and lost that extra space and the stuff on it.
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A thread was recently opened where a dropbox apk was pulled from a new phone and made available to android users on other phones, in this particular case, the SGS2. The apk allowed a user to have 48 GB of extra space on the Dropbox service. The thread was subsequently closed due to the apk being labeled as warez. A few arguments were made that because the apk in that form was not available in the Play Store it was therefore warez. That seems wrong to me. Many apks are made available by hackers and devs that are from other phones and are not available on the Google Play Store.
On Dropbox you are only able to get 2GB of storage for free if you sign up for the service. This apk got around that limitation and gave a free level user much more. I understand, I think, why some consider this warez but how is it fundamentally different from other apks that are snatched from phones and made available to people who chose not to purchase the phone the apk was developed to sell? All exclusive apps in a new phone are a form of business investment. If someone takes an awesome camera app that cannot be otherwise obtained unless one buys the new phone, then how is porting that apk to say a legacy phone where now a user can access that investment for no money?
Are there licensing issues at play here that make a ported camera apk or other similar type apk ethical to port? I find this to be an interesting ethical and perhaps technical issue. I'd like to learn more about the underpinning thought process for declaring some things warez while other software is just another ported apk.
If you know how this works, please chime in. I'm very interested. Maybe others are as well. Thanks in advance for anything you can offer.
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With regards to the specific dropbox.apk, it is stealing since that space on dropbox was not allocated to users of older phone models. I wouldn't call it "warez" as such, but it was allowing people to have access to space that they did not pay for or that the manufacturer of their phone did not pay for through their deal with dropbox. Dropbox allows people to have a certain amount of space for free. People using this apk were taking more than they were allowed to access. That is wrong and XDA should not allow it.
The difference between that apk and other apks being ported over is that this apk was not designed to run as a self contained application like a game or something, but as a link to off-device storage. These are very different situations so not really analogous. An inexact but somewhat better analogy would be a paid application for a specific device that someone else ports to another device but they are charging for it and not giving money or credit to the original developer. This is not right and would also not be allowed on XDA.
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If we extend your argument to a ROM, which is a collection of Apps and system,
if someone ports the sgs3 launcher to sgs2, is that warez?
If someone ports the HTC sense to sgs, is that warez?
Should the whole mod community be shut down?
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If we extend your argument to a ROM, which is a collection of Apps and system,
if someone ports the sgs3 launcher to sgs2, is that warez?
If someone ports the HTC sense to sgs, is that warez?
Should the whole mod community be shut down?
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Samsung and HTC might say yes to those questions. I don't know myself, this is a gray area and the XDA team seems to take the general approach that if a reasonable person could think it is warez, then it is removed to avoid potential liability issues for the site as a whole.
For the launcher and sense specifically, I am not positive but I believe that the source code has been released and is available to all to download and compile, putting them on a completely different level than compiled apks which have been modified.
We have had this talk many times. The deal is that the devices OEM has paid said service for the ability to offer it on the phone. If it is used on any other phone that it was not paid to be on is what makes makes it warez. Like swype. It is allowed to be in a rom if the device came with it preinstalled but if it wasn't then it is considered warez. If a company asks us to pull it then we will.
As for the launchers. If Sense was ever fully ported to a non HTC device be sure that HTC would issue a C&D order that we would follow and then pull all links for it.
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We have had this talk many times. The deal is that the devices OEM has paid said service for the ability to offer it on the phone. If it is used on any other phone that it was not paid to be on is what makes makes it warez. Like swype. It is allowed to be in a rom if the device came with it preinstalled but if it wasn't then it is considered warez. If a company asks us to pull it then we will.
As for the launchers. If Sense was ever fully ported to a non HTC device be sure that HTC would issue a C&D order that we would follow and then pull all links for it.
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The twiz launcher has been ported to non Samsung devices.
Also wouldn't things like the old NFL app that was ported to non Verizon phones be the same situation? Those forums weren't closed the entire season until Verizon fixed it permanently then it didn't matter. Or porting the Sony launcher to a Samsung device, or porting the COD game from the xperia play... these are all examples of the exact same situation as the drop box situation. I don't use drop box that much so it doesn't matter to me, I just don't understand the line between porting for a benefit of developing and warez. Understanding how to get an app to work across different devices is considered developing isn't it? Cyanogen got a C&D letter for developing a version of android to be released on a device that got the exact same version months later. So in theory, isn't every JB port considered to be warez? Every leak? Every ported leak?
Situations like this are what cause a lower likelihood of people contributing back. If someone found an exploit, let the app creators fix the hole. That's the way it was for the NFL app. That was eventually turned into a hack. Then Verizon found a way to block it so only their customers could use it.
Just my $0.02
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The twiz launcher has been ported to non Samsung devices.
Also wouldn't things like the old NFL app that was ported to non Verizon phones be the same situation? Those forums weren't closed the entire season until Verizon fixed it permanently then it didn't matter. Or porting the Sony launcher to a Samsung device, or porting the COD game from the xperia play... these are all examples of the exact same situation as the drop box situation. I don't use drop box that much so it doesn't matter to me, I just don't understand the line between porting for a benefit of developing and warez. Understanding how to get an app to work across different devices is considered developing isn't it? Cyanogen got a C&D letter for developing a version of android to be released on a device that got the exact same version months later. So in theory, isn't every JB port considered to be warez? Every leak? Every ported leak?
Situations like this are what cause a lower likelihood of people contributing back. If someone found an exploit, let the app creators fix the hole. That's the way it was for the NFL app. That was eventually turned into a hack. Then Verizon found a way to block it so only their customers could use it.
Just my $0.02
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As for the CM team they got a C&D order to remove the gapps from their rom, which they did and is the reason AOSP roms dont have them included.
No that is not considered Developing. That is just porting. Big diff.
Understand that XDA works in the grey on alot of things, but if we get asked to pull something from the apps developers then we will pull it.
An example of what zelendel said about being asked to remove something, can be found here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1891055&postcount=287
Velcro. What a rip off!
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As for the CM team they got a C&D order to remove the gapps from their rom, which they did and is the reason AOSP roms dont have them included.
No that is not considered Developing. That is just porting. Big diff.
Understand that XDA works in the grey on alot of things, but if we get asked to pull something from the apps developers then we will pull it.
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As I understood, the C&D was for releasing their newest market without permission. The agreement was made to remove gapps and make a recovery of them available to people who use them. This is also where the development for CM started taking off. This leaves then issue of gapps for all ROMs then. Since they are still ports are to be removed and added using the flash able zip (aosp style)?
I'm not trying to cause a rift. Just trying to help define a line. Does this mean drop box contacted a mod and asked the file to be removed?
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I'm not trying to cause a rift. Just trying to help define a line. Does this mean drop box contacted a mod and asked the file to be removed?
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The dropbox offer was only good for two years. It's just a marketing promo to get new users hooked and then charge them the normal rate. Maybe they are happy to have more people hooked. Otherwise why wouldn't they block it or reverse it at the server side?
Regarding software intended for a certain phone us considered warez If used on another phone, is there an official statement about this from the phone manufacturers??
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I understand that they don't allow them in ROM's and to be discussed on XDA. My question is in regards to moderators deleting threads but seem to have no issue with people asking about free Wifi tethering.
Technically you're supposed to pay Sprint for that feature but a lot of ROM's include the Wifi Tether app for free. I just don't understand how some things are swept under a rug and other things are accepted.
Who knows what the answer to this is brother. But it for Damn sure seems like you are still stuck on The Ultimate Droid thread being deleted. I read that whole thread and you were basically flaming on XDA for making people adhere to the rules. Take the Ultimate Droid rants elsewhere because we all know when you talk about closing a thread in this post its in regard to that Rom thread being closed. And I would say if people were trying to profit off of posting tethering stuff like the dev of the ultimate Droid was then that would be morally and legally wrong. Stop crying.
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I'm just looking for an answer to a question. You didn't even remotely touch on the topic at hand. I just want to know what people think about being able to tether for free and how many ROM's on this website have it included. If you visited this website as much as I do you'd understand why I'm bringing this up.
Actually, I do on a daily basis hence the xda app on my phone . And I did touch on it, no one is trying to profit off of tether, its kind of the same as downloading music.. the people who get sued and stuff by the riaa are those who try to profit from the music they didn't buy. Either way its not morally one hundred percent okay but its not like were killing anyone.
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The wifi tether app is free, so it can be included. Swype ask xda to remove it, even though it was free, so it had to be removed. Fancy widget was removed because it was a direct ripoff of a HTC program. Someones pay wallpaper was removed because it is warez. If sprint decided to go after the author of wifi tether, I'm sure XDA would force its removal.
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The wifi tether app is free, so it can be included. Swype ask xda to remove it, even though it was free, so it had to be removed. Fancy widget was removed because it was a direct ripoff of a HTC program. Someones pay wallpaper was removed because it is warez. If sprint decided to go after the author of wifi tether, I'm sure XDA would force its removal.
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Agreed, you know Sprint has employees who check xda for legal stuff. I'm sure if they had a problem with this they would have done something by now. Especially as many updates as we have had by now Sprint could block tether apps besides their own if they really cared. Just as they patch root exploits.
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I understand that they don't allow them in ROM's and to be discussed on XDA. My question is in regards to moderators deleting threads but seem to have no issue with people asking about free Wifi tethering.
Technically you're supposed to pay Sprint for that feature but a lot of ROM's include the Wifi Tether app for free. I just don't understand how some things are swept under a rug and other things are accepted.
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First of all, I think the main aim of the moderators/site owners is to maintain the popularity and relevance of this site. I am sure Sprint is aware of the Wifi Tether App in all the ROMS given the numerous sprint employees that post here regularly. If it bothered Sprint the site would hear about it and probably make a decision at that point. I doubt Sprint cares given the free publicity their devices get here.
Now if the WiFi tether app itself was being sold for profit and was included for free(warez) then I am sure the developers would mind which several of them probably have when their apps were included in ROMS.
You seem to expect the moderators to spend their time analyzing every single thread and deliver some kind of justice. That is not going to happen, their aim is to keep the site trouble-free, popular and relevant. Even if it means to err on the side of caution and sideline one/two developers who have been known to create issues.
If I felt as strongly as you do about the issue I would put my money where my mouth is and delete my account on this site and join somewhere I felt more comfortable. Would save me a lot of aggravation.
Cheers !
plus wireless tether has been around a little long than sprints evo hotspot has it may not have been for this device but it was around
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Who knows what the answer to this is brother. But it for Damn sure seems like you are still stuck on The Ultimate Droid thread being deleted. I read that whole thread and you were basically flaming on XDA for making people adhere to the rules. Take the Ultimate Droid rants elsewhere because we all know when you talk about closing a thread in this post its in regard to that Rom thread being closed. And I would say if people were trying to profit off of posting tethering stuff like the dev of the ultimate Droid was then that would be morally and legally wrong. Stop crying.
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Yeah, Yellowcard this is the same guy on the other thread. I also was following that thread and I don't think it was cool that he was flaming on xda.
Why can't we all, just get along!?
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Why can't we all, just get along!?
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Your signature...is absolutely epic.
Is this a joke.. You guys are actually trying to explain the differences ?? OMG!!!
THERE IS NONE!!
ONE LIES AND THE OTHER SWEARS TO IT!!!
The OP is right... It makes NO sense what so ever and there is no possible way you could argue that.
Lets see if I can make it easier to understand. If I kill someone, I go to jail...this is warez, its illegal no matter how you slice it. Now if I beat my wife (i do not, and do not support it, just an example) and she refuses to press charges, I do not go to jail...this is wifi tether, its only illegal if someone cares. Hope this had made it easier to understand.
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I understand that they don't allow them in ROM's and to be discussed on XDA. My question is in regards to moderators deleting threads but seem to have no issue with people asking about free Wifi tethering.
Technically you're supposed to pay Sprint for that feature but a lot of ROM's include the Wifi Tether app for free. I just don't understand how some things are swept under a rug and other things are accepted.
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The sprint hotspot free ove a 30 a month charge from sprint?
How big is that compared to a one dollar or two app???
Clueless...
Pretty much that's what it is. The only difference is that one person "steals" and people don't get their props/recognition. I guess it's OK to steal and get out of paying for a feature while racking up bandwidth. People say I'm complaining about this and that but when it comes down to it they look stupid because they are also doing shady **** too.
My 2 cents for what its worth.
WiFi tethering is a functionality built into froyo. In order to get it working, the feature is either hacked to remove Sprint authentication, or you can download another app that allows the same functionality. You'll also note that "sprint WiFi tethering" is not available as a standalone app from the market - again, its already built into the software of the phone. This is no different than the hack that allowed wireless n for WiFi, before it was available, or to set your phone to pick up Verizon towers for better coverage. The phone already supported that functionality, it just took some hacks to get it working.
The other items mentioned as warez are not inherently built into the phones. Devs (most of them ordinary guys like us), have an idea for a great app, work on them for days/weeks/months and may decide to release them for a fee when complete. Xda is a developers forum, with stress on developers. It only stands to reason that they would take a hard line when people give away those paid apps for free.
And to the op, if you were really interested in getting answers to your questions, you could have easily sent a pm to a mod. By starting this thread, you obviously just wanted to stir the pot some more. It's been said before, there are other sites that don't care about the all the work devs put into their apps, where you can get all the free apps you want without paying for them. Xda is simply not that kind of forum.
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Personally I realize that I am a guest. So not to be imposing I limit my pov.
You are not alone in your POV.
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gqstatus0685 said:
I understand that they don't allow them in ROM's and to be discussed on XDA. My question is in regards to moderators deleting threads but seem to have no issue with people asking about free Wifi tethering.
Technically you're supposed to pay Sprint for that feature but a lot of ROM's include the Wifi Tether app for free. I just don't understand how some things are swept under a rug and other things are accepted.
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technically the wifi tether is built into android naturally, carriers lock that down to add on a cost to unlimited data that your already paying for
This is an issue, do to if Im already paying for unlimited data, what clarifies it to what kind of data it has to be. Is the internet not the internet, these kind of add-on fees are what telco's your trying to push on to wire lines ( unsuccessful so far, i for get the name of the bill). Bt the mobile is a very grey area right now, this is also why ATT for one has a tiered system now
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I'm just looking for an answer to a question. You didn't even remotely touch on the topic at hand. I just want to know what people think about being able to tether for free and how many ROM's on this website have it included. If you visited this website as much as I do you'd understand why I'm bringing this up.
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You can tether for free???
Someone needs to define software and hardware to the OP, because if we use his definitions, roms and rooting methods are also warez.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/07/03/samsung-and-google-to-release-ota-update-to-galaxy-nexus-to-avoid-injunction-ban/
Dumbing down search function to only include internet searches, no local (device) searches!!! weak sauce...
I only used this search once since december.
Maybe Google updated the nexii at the I/ O to pass it out to the devs is the same reason Apple doesn't want it on the nexus it will be in the community and out of their hands....idk my 2¢
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ICS already removes most of my favorite features of android. Long press for widgets, a simple settings button.
Didn't hear anyone ***** about that. Now that its something petty everyone is Mega butt hurt.
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I have spotlight search on my iPhone and have never once used it. I'm not saying no one uses this feature since I don't but life will move on for Android without it.
Maybe they just remove the feature from the phones in stores. After you buy it, you'll get an OTA and everything's back to normal. ;-)
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Maybe they just remove the feature from the phones in stores. After you buy it, you'll get an OTA and everything's back to normal. ;-)
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Yeah that would be complicated for Google.
Just a thought... so they're saying that root or not you're gonna get the downgrade (unless you're on a custom rom) but surely if you rename a couple of unimportant system files or say, flash a different radio the ota won't stick will it?
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Just a thought... so they're saying that root or not you're gonna get the downgrade (unless you're on a custom rom) but surely if you rename a couple of unimportant system files or say, flash a different radio the ota won't stick will it?
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You may get the notification, just simply ignore it.........
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Never used that feature to be honest, so it's a price I'm personally willing to pay to prevent a ban. I'm sure some people use it frequently, but I'd think even they'd agree that it's better than getting the phone banned. Ensuring the continual growth of this phone's user base is only beneficial for current owners.
I hope it gets reversed. Universal search is something Android does so nicely. Being able to go in the settings and decide which apps can be included for example IMDB or foursquare so you can initiate search/check-in without first going into the app itself.
I really hope that pending patent for Google in regards to notification drawer eventually goes through. Before iOS implemented that feature I heard quite a fair share of complaints from friends with iphones primarily about how annoying a bunch of pop up notifications can be.
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Getting more and more reluctant towards Apple. I used to dislike that company due to their religious fanboys, but... After all those pseudo-patent actions... No comments.
I personally use the search-all feature a lot, both for quick contact access (have a couple hundrets of people in my People app) as well as for quick app launch (well, being an app junkie, swiping through all the launcher pages eats hell lotta time) and for web search as well.
As far as I remember, search-all feature was available in old Symbian phones as well, and some implementations were also available in WinMo. How could this be patented by the fruit-company? Getting more and more tired of not-so-brilliant judges granting dumb bans. Judges should cancel dumb patents instead!
(like rectangular shape patent!! how come one can patent a RECTANGULAR SHAPE?! Slide to unlock - ok, nice feature, but how come anyone could grant as generic patent as "unlocking by dragging one object along path to a specific position"?!)
I can't wait for the day Apple looses its cool with the worlds sheep population. And I hope some big company sues the absolute **** out of apple.
Karma is a *****
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Why are there 2 threads for the same topic?
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Why are there 2 threads for the same topic?
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Definitely not seeing the other thread. Its no big deal anyways.
Good to see Samsung (might) get their best device rolling once more. Had they not I would went on an iPhone murder rampage.
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I have 3 boys, ages 11-15, and not an Apple product in the house - I implemented my own ban long ago. Though now that I've got my Nuxus, I really want to experiment with using it as a desktop replacement, and the demo video I've seen makes Apple's Magic Trackpad look like the ideal way to do it.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/07/03/samsung-and-google-to-release-ota-update-to-galaxy-nexus-to-avoid-injunction-ban/
Dumbing down search function to only include internet searches, no local (device) searches!!! weak sauce...
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Yeah, honestly, I've never used search to find local content on my phone. However, I did use individual applications own search (like contacts perhaps?). I don't think all of this suing Apple is doing is going to have much harm if any.
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Getting more and more reluctant towards Apple. I used to dislike that company due to their religious fanboys, but... After all those pseudo-patent actions... No comments.
I personally use the search-all feature a lot, both for quick contact access (have a couple hundrets of people in my People app) as well as for quick app launch (well, being an app junkie, swiping through all the launcher pages eats hell lotta time) and for web search as well.
As far as I remember, search-all feature was available in old Symbian phones as well, and some implementations were also available in WinMo. How could this be patented by the fruit-company? Getting more and more tired of not-so-brilliant judges granting dumb bans. Judges should cancel dumb patents instead!
(like rectangular shape patent!! how come one can patent a RECTANGULAR SHAPE?! Slide to unlock - ok, nice feature, but how come anyone could grant as generic patent as "unlocking by dragging one object along path to a specific position"?!)
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I totally agree. I'm not a patent lawyer and I don't know the history completely of mobile devices - but - it does seem that older devices had this search-all-content feature before Apple ever did. Remember, Apple implemented this feature back in the 3G days I beleive which was in 2008. Hell, I think the 8320 Blackberry had this feature if I'm not mistaken and was released in 2007 - I'll dig my old BB 8320 out and look for this.
Now, if Apple ultimately wins this case it WILL set a precedent for future cases and allow them to win more easily if they decide to pursue other handset makers. I personally think Google should just include the web-search only interface/widget and then offer up another Search-All widget in the market which would then overwrite the current one installed.
I wonder if this means that we will no longer be able to do things like initiate a text message or a call by voice. I sure hope not, because I use these features almost daily. It really is a shame that Apple has to have such ridiculous anticompetitive practices. Without competition, everyone will lose in the end.
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I occasionally use search and see the results returned from all phone items. While handy and not directly used, I do like this.
My hope is that Samsung does nothing until the trial. If it works the way I have read, any logical design or function can be contested in patent disputes. (E.g. rectangular phone, search means search...not just web search).
This approach protects competitors who are in the same business and work toward logical design. Note that this is my interpretation of what I read and by no means fact.
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Why are there 2 threads for the same topic?
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They were going to make 1 but deciding to make 2 just to annoy you.
J/K
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For as long as most android users, most have been with android since the beginning. We now have gaming, interactive apps and all sorts of cooky apps. Some to most of which are priced.
Here's an article I found trying to find Indie PC games for android "I failed".
http://www.webpronews.com/android-users-dont-want-to-pay-for-anything-2012-07 it talks about android users don't pay for apps, mostly because of root/no trial-free version.
This struck me as interesting because honestly I'd figure devs to be happy to share there work with the world for free. I honestly myself believe devs who charge just want money.
I do unfortunately buy some of these terrible products, but do give props and respect to those who do manage to make a fantastic app.
If its priced at least make it a good app, give a trial or free version.
This is where gaming comes in, obviously we know if not most games are marked with prices with no free trials and are half assed.
So I can see where piracy comes in, no one wants to pay 5.99$ for a half assed game. I've bought some games I regret and I proudly say if they release another I will pirate it. Sometimes its better to stay free, if its a great app or a dev who has done previous great work I would support them.
Yes I do pirate and I don't. Its where I stand with the devs and apps.
I'm shocked we don't pay for ROMs honestly.. these devs are fantastic at what they do and yes its for free, so props to them "unless it would be illegal which I don't believe it is" :sly:
Anyway.. I'm curious what you guys think?
Feel the same, do you support every dev in the play store?
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This is not meant to be offensive, but I might rant a bit.
Devs sharing their work for free? Have you ever programmed, taken a programming course, or had to pay 80k for a bachelors in Computer Science? It is time consuming to think of a good idea, implement it well, and then squash bugs. It takes HOURS, days, if not months.
Yes, there are devs who charge for crappy apps and I agree, some devs are greedy. However, isn't paying for an app the same logic as paying for a pizza? Yes, you can make one yourself, but its not like you can make a quality pizza without spending a lot in ingredients or machines (ovens, etc)--you're paying for the convenience of it being done already for you.
This applies to apps as well. You may be able to program something similar given enough time, but you are paying for the convenience and their time for making the app for you to use. Just because it is digital and not tangible doesn't make it any less work.
Now I agree that there should be some sort of trial for an app to see whether or not its good or that you like it. Unfortunately, the world doesnt run on this type of honesty and nobody would pay if it were offered for free. Thats why devs have to charge and thats why some people pirate. However, if you do pirate, please throw the developer some money if you really enjoy their app or use it frequently, otherwise if they go broke, how will they keep developing your favorite app?
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You are right.
No argument* I want it to be a clean talk amongst android users.
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I don't see this thread going anywhere but down hill and fast
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Same goes for PC games. PC gamers can't rent games so they pirate. If you buy a PC game , guess what, you're stuck with it.
But, as for android apps at least we can get a refund which eleviates the need for a trial in some circumstances
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Piracy is a huge issue on Android, but like any thing you just have to put a little effort into making it more difficult to crack. Although a lot of people say that leaving it free with ads actually makes them more money then charging for it.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/26/how-free-apps-can-make-more-money-than-paid-apps/
edit: if you like indie games you should check out the humble bundle
OP, your logic is horrible. I do applaud your honesty, no matter how awful I believe it to be. Devs create content have a free will choice to make, and those who charge are well within their rights to do so. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO STEAL, EVER. Now, having said that, some devs create content as their job. How can they buy food and pay rent if people steal their stuff. This thread is a failure, other than highlighting the challenge Google has in locking down Android to prevent piracy but still allow side loading and customizing.
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Didn't jellybean announce new device specific encryption for apps. Though I'm doubting it won't be cracked...
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Didn't jellybean announce new device specific encryption for apps. Though I'm doubting it won't be cracked...
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Yup says that in the article.
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You're basically asking for a carpenter to build a house and give it away for free. Development costs time and money, and they have every right to ask back so that they can continue.
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I think everyone likes free stuff，this is normal
When i was new to android, i swore i would never pay for an app or game, and was happy that way. Then i got titanium backup and loved it, but hated that i couldn't batch restore, so i broke down and bought premium. Then i started frequenting these forums, seeing how much effort some of these devs out into their apps, games, etc. Now i pay for them, gladly, an i look for paid apps by respected devs first. Mostly i do it for functionality, but also to support. Titanium Backup, Franco kernel, CWM touch recovery, root explorer and many more I've bought and will gladly continue to do so. I get better apps and i support further development. Win/win in my book.
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Right, because 5.99 is such an exorbitant price... so many other things that I could do with that money that would have lasting value... wait. No, not really.
If you don't want to spend the money on the app then you don't really want it. Don't steal.
Because of this thinking and abuse Android is full of crap adware/push adware games, and you don't see most quality games released for Android. That is so sad.
I just have one question: do you work for free? Or do your poor employer have to shell out some bucks to have you working there? Yes, I wonder why those bastard devs charge for they hard work, or use those ad craps to try to get some money out of their hard work...
And also, you say, there is a lot of sh1tware, yes, there are, as there are a lot of sh1temployees.... You hire them, they do not do their work, they get fired... You buy sh1tware, you realize it is sh1t, then you won't ever buy anything from those bastards again... I really loved when you had an entire day to get a refund in Android Market, but them, a lot of smartass3s had to abuse it, and just use the game/app for the entire day and ask for a refund, doing that for several games/apps....
So, if Android market for games is like it is today, is just because most people think like you, either don't buy anything at all, they prefer to stick to a free ad game than paying 5-7-10 bucks for a quality game like Infinity Blade, or, worse, they just pirate it, and yes, installous and jailbreak exist for iOS, but this is not as easy as just ticking a box in settings menu and then downloading APK's from anywhere...
Don't get me wrong, I love the way Android is open, but, unfortunately, most people suck and doesn't know how to use freedom, instead, they abuse and try to get advantages out of it...
Unfortunately Google will probably end up walling their garden because of these issues, or at least surrounding it with thorn bushes
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I hate how articles act like piracy isn't an issue on other platforms....
A jailbroken iphone has tons of pirate app stores
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I hate how articles act like piracy isn't an issue on other platforms....
A jailbroken iphone has tons of pirate app stores
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Yup. Jail broke my brother's iPhone and the first thing he ask is, "OK load it up with apps for free."
I stared at him and made him learn it himself. He did, but still, $1 doesnt kill.
I just bought COD: BOZ, a $7 app. The closest I am to pirating is "Game Sharing".
Me and my friends put each other's Gmail account(requires a lot of trust Cuz we can tamper with each other's mail & stuff) on each other's phone and share our purchased apps. Done.
I do admit I pirate once in a while(Nova 3 being one, so laggy that it wasn't worth the price.)
But there is one punishment I love about Jailbreakers, if you pirate your apps, u can't put em back in when you unjailbreak to upgrade to the next iOS.
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If I have helped you.... hit that sexy thanks button. ^_^
Pretty much all the people I know who own an iPhone or iPod touch and have it jail broken mainly did it for installous...
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Pretty much all the people I know who own an iPhone or iPod touch and have it jail broken mainly did it for installous...
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first thing that all Jailbreakers learn how to do.
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If I have helped you.... hit that sexy thanks button. ^_^
i never thoght i would pay money for apps or anything. but later on as i used android, and looked at forums, i realized that devs really do alot of work. put urself in their shoes, and first thing i thought was "why the fk should i bother making this crap if all its gonna do is go to some ungrateful persons phone and im not even gonna get a thanks". so i regularly buy apps. not only does that make the android market that much closer to being as good and as diverse as the ios market, but u also get the LEGIT app without any risks of having some weird ass **** go wrong with ur phone in a very subtle way.....
It looks like google have removed adblock plus adaway and such from the market, so backup your APK's if you want to carry on using those apps.
We could always ditch google play...
Can't post links, but anyone who wants site or direct download links, please PM me.
It's understandable that they are doing this. After all they give out Android and the sources for FREE. Everyone knows Google earns most if its revenue from adds and it isn't unreasonable to ask users for support in the form of accepting adds in free apps.
If you want to get rid of adds just show some support to devs and get payed versions of apps you use. If you want to support warez even by pm's you can do that elsewhere.
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It's understandable that they are doing this. After all they give out Android and the sources for FREE. Everyone knows Google earns most if its revenue from adds and it isn't unreasonable to ask users for support in the form of accepting adds in free apps.
If you want to get rid of adds just show some support to devs and get payed versions of apps you use. If you want to support warez even by pm's you can do that elsewhere.
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What are you talking about?! :laugh: What warez?!
Those are free apps, just being kicked out from google play, doesn't make them wares.
If you bother, you could find them yourself, just use google.
BTW, I am unable to donate to devs cause of my country's policies, no matter how willing I am. So, use your brain a little before making offensive comments.
Plus the likes of adaway stops ads on websites as well which is very useful.
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It looks like google have removed adblock plus adaway and such from the market, so backup your APK's if you want to carry on using those apps.
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The answer is at https://f-droid.org/
Incidentally they so seem to have pulled all 3rd party store apps.
I see no ethical issues with installing an ad blocking app. On my PCs I have gone even further and installed Ghostery which blocks all sort of tracking activities.
We do need to be aware that adware helps devs provide stuff for free, and the good ones give you the option of paying a little to remove the ads.
do you work for Google or something?
since when is blocking ads considered warez?
Is dvr warez for you too? I don't watch ads on TV either.
I have adblock on my pc, oh my what a hacker I am...
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Another alternative to the ad blocker apps is to change your hosts file in the system/etc folder..
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http://db.tt/WI1GQXwJ APK for adaway incase you aren't able to get it.
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It's understandable that they are doing this. After all they give out Android and the sources for FREE. Everyone knows Google earns most if its revenue from adds and it isn't unreasonable to ask users for support in the form of accepting adds in free apps.
If you want to get rid of adds just show some support to devs and get payed versions of apps you use. If you want to support warez even by pm's you can do that elsewhere.
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Actually, you have a point.
People work hard, and then they give their work for free, so they give ads, for revenue, and then you find loopholes in that too?
This is just my opinion, don't mean to start an argument.
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Actually, you have a point.
People work hard, and then they give their work for free, so they give ads, for revenue, and then you find loopholes in that too?
This is just my opinion, don't mean to start an argument.
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playstation network is free, but I paid for the console, if ps3 made adds all over the screen so you couldn't play or view it, I'm sure that they would lose customers. Google makes enough money from sales of their phones, which have the latest android first, and make alot of money with other things that they produce. There is no need for them to mess up an app that a dev put out there for free bc of greed. just sayin
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playstation network is free, but I paid for the console, if ps3 made adds all over the screen so you couldn't play or view it, I'm sure that they would lose customers. Google makes enough money from sales of their phones, which have the latest android first, and make alot of money with other things that they produce. There is no need for them to mess up an app that a dev put out there for free bc of greed. just sayin
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Yes, but this isn't Google we're talking about, it is the Devs.
The Devs add the ads to their apps, for their income, not Google's
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Yes, but this isn't Google we're talking about, it is the Devs.
The Devs add the ads to their apps, for their income, not Google's
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and if a dev needs income they should make it a paid app / adds are the devils work
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and if a dev needs income they should make it a paid app / adds are the devils work
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Lol, you don't get it do you?
They want to give people, who can't buy apps, access to them.
Anyways, this is their wish, and if you block ads, that is wrong, don't want ads? Don't use their apps, simple as that.
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let's not pretend here this is a thing about legality or not.
it's in my right to block ads if I want to.
it's also a developer's choice to make his app free and ad supported. By blocking ads I'm not doing anything illegal.
Google removing ad blockers is simply a move to increase profit. it's a choice they are entitled to as a business but not something I have to tolerate as an end user, and i don't.
my point is, if you want to make your app ad supported you are just gonna have to accept the fact that some users just don't like ads.
this does limit profits for the developer's I guess but as an end user I'm not doing anything wrong.
I like to support developers, when it's due. Watching ads, wasting bandwidth and battery is not one of the acceptable means though .
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let's not pretend here this is a thing about legality or not.
it's in my right to block ads if I want to.
it's also a developer's choice to make his app free and ad supported. By blocking ads I'm not doing anything illegal.
Google removing ad blockers is simply a move to increase profit. it's a choice they are entitled to as a business but not something I have to tolerate as an end user, and i don't.
my point is, if you want to make your app ad supported you are just gonna have to accept the fact that some users just don't like ads.
this does limit profits for the developer's I guess but as an end user I'm not doing anything wrong.
I like to support developers, when it's due. Watching ads, wasting bandwidth and battery is not one of the acceptable means though .
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That is not true.
You want to support developers? You clearly aren't if you do this, also, they give you the app for FREE, and give ads. Don't like the ads? Either: 1) But the Full version 2) Don't use the app
And I really don't get one thing nowadays, there is something known as ethics? General morals? Right and wrong?
It may not be illegal to block ads, but you're stopping the developers' incomes, those developers who give you their work for free, in exchange for tiny ads. And then you block those ads, that is wrong, my friend.
And waste bandwidth? You can't be serious How much bandwidth can a repetitive ad take? Less than half an MB a day? I'm sure that effects no one, especially if we are able to purchase a One X, and a computer.
Bottom line, Devs do hard work, and its wrong, if not illegal, to block ads.
Take this, for example. In many US states, a bit of Marijuana is legal, right?
But, If your hypothetical son, above the age of 18, smoked Marijuana, would you like it? No. Its not illegal, but its wrong, no? I know smoking pot is nothing near blocking ads, but its just to prove, that if something isn't illegal, it can still be wrong, which, I believe, blocking ads is.
And why do I support this? Because I'm a developer too, if not an app developer, a ROM developer. And its frikkin hard work. Working for hours, sitting on your butt with a laptop on your legs, continuously debugging, trying different things, making it perfect, then releasing it, and If people block ads? For me, it would be like if everyone used my ROM, but no one thanked me, or complimented it.
So, just saying, its wrong
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@theDroidfanatic
Sooo... I can't pay apps from my country... And I don't want ads on my phone... What should I do, any idea?
there is nothing morally wrong about blocking ads tdf
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@theDroidfanatic
Sooo... I can't pay apps from my country... And I don't want ads on my phone... What should I do, any idea?
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Easiest way is to use google to search for ad blockers. That's all...
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Sooo... I can't pay apps from my country... And I don't want ads on my phone... What should I do, any idea?
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Live with the ads
We can't always get what we want, and you can use the Amazon AppStore, it's easy to make a US account there, many tutorials on Google, I buy must of my apps from there
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there is nothing morally wrong about blocking ads tdf
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According to me, there is, cuz it's their income you're blocking, but everyone's entitled to his own opinion
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Just thought I would share this with you guys. Got an email looking for Android Developers among many other things. Salaries are awesome. This is legit.
"Hi Damon,
I am conducting a search for our client in Portland, OR to fill their Android Developer position and am reaching out in case you know of anyone who would be a fit.
Please check out the link below and apply if you are interested in hearing more about the job.
The full job description is listed at the end of this email!
For more details on this job*or to*apply*simply visit CyberCoders:
http://www.CyberCoders.com/qb.aspx?posId=JW1-AtronAndroid&ad=CSNPMSJacob.Wolf
Not a fit for this job?* Search all of our*open jobs:
http://www.CyberCoders.com/qa.aspx?ad=CSNPMSJacob.Wolf&sterm=*
Happy where you are?* Great!* Know someone who isn't?**Refer a friend for this position and if*we place them you'll get an iPad!*
I will only email you when we find a new job that may be a good fit for your background.* You can also use the link below if you would like us to hold off on emails to you about new jobs.
Thank you,
Jacob
Jacob Wolf
Executive Recruiter | View My Bio »
949.861.2488 | [email protected]
If you are a Android Developer, please read on!
We are a growing mobile development company that is looking for talented mobile developer to add to our team in Portland, Oregon. Ideal candidates will be excited to create new Android applications and help us continue to grow as a company using the latest technology of today. This is a full time position and we would love to talk to anyone with GIS or Location based application experience using the Android platform.
This job is a great opportunity to work with some of the latest software & most cutting edge hardware.
What you need for this position:
- Android development experience
- Java development experience is a plus
- Location based mobile application development experience
What's in it for you:
- Flexible work hours and a
- Relaxed work environment.
- Stability of a full time position
- Paid-benefits position, complete with
- Paid Vacation
- Health Insurance
So, if you are a Android Developer please apply today!
JobID: JW1-AtronAndroid"
So if anyone is gonna apply, I'd appreciate the iPad lol. If more than one person applies and gets accepted, I'll run a raffle for the additional iPads on this thread. You can find my full name and email on my Xda profile.
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Um, doesn't it seem kinda odd that they are promoting a competitor for a job opening?? I don't see legit written anywhere on this.. I work for Pepsi, and don't see anyone giving a coke away for referring an employee.. Just my 2¢
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Im a janitor and you get free **** if you apply at my job.
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sparytrainor said:
Um, doesn't it seem kinda odd that they are promoting a competitor for a job opening?? I don't see legit written anywhere on this.. I work for Pepsi, and don't see anyone giving a coke away for referring an employee.. Just my 2¢
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Uhhhhh, how exactly are they promoting a competitor again? I checked out the openings, and the company Web page. The company is grounded and established dude.
So ur saying android and apple aren't competitors?? Again, just my 2¢
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Oh that. The iPad thing. It's probably a 1st gen piece of crap anyways. Which is why they don't mind giving them away. They could be refurbished after cracking them open to get some Apple secrets. I mean a million explanations! We dunno.
I didn't really see that as promoting competition because the company is definitely benefiting more from getting the developer than care about an iPad.
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this is a phishing scam. they really just want your personal info.
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you have to create an account. they are banking that your contact email address will have the same password you use for your account on that site. they probably also try your name at various bank sites with the password you used.
austin420 said:
this is a phishing scam. they really just want your personal info.
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Aside from speculation, how did you come to this conclusion?
austin420 said:
this is a phishing scam. they really just want your personal info.
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you have to create an account. they are banking that your contact email address will have the same password you use for your account on that site. they probably also try your name at various bank sites with the password you used.
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So what? You have to create an account for alot of employers. Fred Meyer, McDonalds, a bunch of places. They use it to keep your user profile and sometimes to keep past applications. By the way, the way I know you don't know for sure is your use of the word "probably".
This is shady as shady gets. They're CLEARLY going above and beyond to sell you on why you should do this. They sound way to desperate. To each there own, but I wouldn't risk it...#SCAM.
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So what? You have to create an account for alot of employers. Fred Meyer, McDonalds, a bunch of places. They use it to keep your user profile and sometimes to keep past applications. By the way, the way I know you don't know for sure is your use of the word "probably".
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okay sir. everybody else is wrong and you are right. this is totally legit. we should all give our personal info to some random site because every body knows that everything on the net is totally trustworthy.
not.
Check it. I'm not trying to prove anyone right or wrong. I just want people to cite what they say. Have some proof and all that. If it's a scam, then someone should report it to the browsers (IE, Mozilla, Google, etc.) so they can stop people from going to it. Let them check it out. Don't just burn on it to burn on it no matter how many "leading" points there are. The only way to know for sure is to go and do it. Someone use a fake email and name and see what happens to it once they "steal" it and whatnot. Feel me?
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Good jobs are never advertised. #scam
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I do know that name - and for you with paranoia... Google is your friend.
Cybercoders has been around for a while - seen them on Dice and I think Monster.
Probably just looking for new coders - sure there's plenty of interest.
Looks legit to me.