Crowd funded ROM development...
Now here is a thought.. Sure I am not the first one, but here is a suggestion and description of what I believe to be a brilliant idea.
I have bought quite a few Chinese devises for me and my family, and it has been a little hit and miss when it comes to usability on some of these devises. I have always gone for what I believed at the time to be best value for money products considering whom to buy to and what it is going to be used for.
The thing is if you do a lot of research and end up buying a phone with brilliant hardware but a ****ty Chinese ROM your in trouble. Sometimes you get lucky and find a third party custom ROM and if you are REALLY lucky there will be a ”latest and greatest” CM or Paranoid ROM available and then you are really flying. Most of the Chinese devises I have bought have actually been OK in assembly quality but all of them have been pretty useless as daily phones / tablets with the OEM software filled with Chinese bloat-ware and worse.
Recently I bought my own personal Tablet ( previously bought some for my kids) and I bought the ONDA V975M which have absolutely brilliant specifications but a useless and stuttering / freezing ROM. I have searched the web only to find several Fora all hunting for the same thing. I found Russian,French,Dutch speaking Fora as well with the same questions.... Where to Root and where to obtain better ROM's.....
To me we all need a kind of crowd-funded way of requesting new ROM's. My thought goes towards the APP selling market where somebody have a idea for an APP but no programming skills and then post the idea on sites like Sellandapp.com or Fundedapps.com. This is how I think it should work:
If I want a ROM for a device I would go to this new ”Request a ROM-Site” and request a ROM, I will have to give as many details as possible on the hardware, and then I would commit myself to a certain amount of my choice (any amount can start the request) if others is willing to commit to pay for the ROM they submit a commitment form on the site. The commitment will have to be binding. If enough people is doing this the money goes up to a sum that might attract a developer whom will take the task at hand. When a developer commits to develop a ROM the Money is ”frozen” to him for a period of time (2 weeks / a month?) and when he submits the ROM he will be paid a third of the sum in the ”pot” for that request. After a month he will get another third but only if there has not been more than 20% complaints on his ROM (will encourage him/her to correct bugs) and again if there is less than 10-15% complaints after 2 month he will be paid the rest.
If there is too many bugs in the initial ROM and they are NOT corrected the now reduced ”pot” can go to a new developer whom might easily correct the first one?
All ROM's have to be open source naturally. The developer has to accept that the work he does is paid for and there is NO royalties after...
I am present a member in 3 Android Fora and I constantly see the same names popping up, so I am sure there is a lot like me who is in several different Fora, it would be great if there would be some administrators who could put this idea into the right place and maybe duplicate it to others. My point is that in this matter there is only an advantage to spread the message as far as possible, over as many Fora as possible.
I would prefer this to become a non-profit site with reference to ALL the different Fora out there but if somebody wants to make this into a business I am OK with this, I hope if they become successful they will remember me and pay a small contribution towards the idea.
I can be found on XDA and Slatedroid as user-name: Robert_it
There will always be a risk of some low life with a shattered moral trying to steal the ”pot” but if we keep it simple and trust each other I believe this would work.
I do not have the skills nor the time to start this project but I would like to start this by offering my idea's and I would be the first to commit to $15-$20 for a smooth performance ROM for the before mentioned ONDA tablet...
If I am not violating the forum rules I would like this post to be Sticky in the right place and to be copy/pasted into as many Fora in as many languages as possible. Anybody out there up for a task like this?
Here is a little side-note: I did for some time ago try to get some info of a Chinese vendor only to be turned down, I see again and again people / developers requesting software / drivers for devices, the Chinese have a culture where they steal with arms and legs from everybody and yet there are scared for anybody gaining access to there already poor software. Just imagine if a Chinese company took the chance and released ALL drivers and hardware specifications to the gurus at CyanogenMod and asked for help to create a fully working multilingual ROM for a top but cheap device?? Now would the risk of another Chinese factory copying this device be bigger than the hype, rave and huge sales-numbers such a device would create... Think about it, if we could buy a $250 Octa-core high resolution, dual sim phone with all the latest hardware AND get CyanogenMod 11 on it as well??
And YES I know the quality is not the same as a true branded phone, my Nexus-5 is lovely but I use more that one phone on a daily basis and having a “cheap” powerhouse is fun and some of these Chinese phones is actually not bad at all...
Hope I have not offended anybody or broken any forum rules, I will post this both on SlateDroid and XDA as this is where I can, again feel free to copy and paste into other Fora.
Robert
Count me in for 10$ for the onda tablet.
Can you post a link to the onda threat ? So people can read in to it.
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Great idea :good:
I'd also like to collaborate.
Yes that's a really great idea ! +1
We are a french community who are hoping that a developer wants to work on a custom ROM ! That could be awesome for this amazing tablet. Thanks for this post
10$ for TWRP for Onda v975m.
Great idea,
I've proposed the same thing in a french forum.
I can also 10-20$ donate for the dev.
Regards,
Okay maybe we will have enough to sponsor a tablet to a willing Def.
Does anybody know a Def who is willing to do so?
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And custom Rom with even with errors for the v975m i give 10 Euro , count me in, my PayPal account is waitin
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I asked a Developer and he asked me if we had kernel source.
Is onda willing to give this? Do they even have email?
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Crowd funded ROM development...
Now here is a thought.. Sure I am not the first one, but here is a suggestion and description of what I believe to be a brilliant idea.
I have bought quite a few Chinese devises for me and my family, and it has been a little hit and miss when it comes to usability on some of these devises. I have always gone for what I believed at the time to be best value for money products considering whom to buy to and what it is going to be used for.
The thing is if you do a lot of research and end up buying a phone with brilliant hardware but a ****ty Chinese ROM your in trouble. Sometimes you get lucky and find a third party custom ROM and if you are REALLY lucky there will be a ”latest and greatest” CM or Paranoid ROM available and then you are really flying. Most of the Chinese devises I have bought have actually been OK in assembly quality but all of them have been pretty useless as daily phones / tablets with the OEM software filled with Chinese bloat-ware and worse.
Recently I bought my own personal Tablet ( previously bought some for my kids) and I bought the ONDA V975M which have absolutely brilliant specifications but a useless and stuttering / freezing ROM. I have searched the web only to find several Fora all hunting for the same thing. I found Russian,French,Dutch speaking Fora as well with the same questions.... Where to Root and where to obtain better ROM's.....
To me we all need a kind of crowd-funded way of requesting new ROM's. My thought goes towards the APP selling market where somebody have a idea for an APP but no programming skills and then post the idea on sites like Sellandapp.com or Fundedapps.com. This is how I think it should work:
If I want a ROM for a device I would go to this new ”Request a ROM-Site” and request a ROM, I will have to give as many details as possible on the hardware, and then I would commit myself to a certain amount of my choice (any amount can start the request) if others is willing to commit to pay for the ROM they submit a commitment form on the site. The commitment will have to be binding. If enough people is doing this the money goes up to a sum that might attract a developer whom will take the task at hand. When a developer commits to develop a ROM the Money is ”frozen” to him for a period of time (2 weeks / a month?) and when he submits the ROM he will be paid a third of the sum in the ”pot” for that request. After a month he will get another third but only if there has not been more than 20% complaints on his ROM (will encourage him/her to correct bugs) and again if there is less than 10-15% complaints after 2 month he will be paid the rest.
If there is too many bugs in the initial ROM and they are NOT corrected the now reduced ”pot” can go to a new developer whom might easily correct the first one?
All ROM's have to be open source naturally. The developer has to accept that the work he does is paid for and there is NO royalties after...
I am present a member in 3 Android Fora and I constantly see the same names popping up, so I am sure there is a lot like me who is in several different Fora, it would be great if there would be some administrators who could put this idea into the right place and maybe duplicate it to others. My point is that in this matter there is only an advantage to spread the message as far as possible, over as many Fora as possible.
I would prefer this to become a non-profit site with reference to ALL the different Fora out there but if somebody wants to make this into a business I am OK with this, I hope if they become successful they will remember me and pay a small contribution towards the idea.
I can be found on XDA and Slatedroid as user-name: Robert_it
There will always be a risk of some low life with a shattered moral trying to steal the ”pot” but if we keep it simple and trust each other I believe this would work.
I do not have the skills nor the time to start this project but I would like to start this by offering my idea's and I would be the first to commit to $15-$20 for a smooth performance ROM for the before mentioned ONDA tablet...
If I am not violating the forum rules I would like this post to be Sticky in the right place and to be copy/pasted into as many Fora in as many languages as possible. Anybody out there up for a task like this?
Here is a little side-note: I did for some time ago try to get some info of a Chinese vendor only to be turned down, I see again and again people / developers requesting software / drivers for devices, the Chinese have a culture where they steal with arms and legs from everybody and yet there are scared for anybody gaining access to there already poor software. Just imagine if a Chinese company took the chance and released ALL drivers and hardware specifications to the gurus at CyanogenMod and asked for help to create a fully working multilingual ROM for a top but cheap device?? Now would the risk of another Chinese factory copying this device be bigger than the hype, rave and huge sales-numbers such a device would create... Think about it, if we could buy a $250 Octa-core high resolution, dual sim phone with all the latest hardware AND get CyanogenMod 11 on it as well??
And YES I know the quality is not the same as a true branded phone, my Nexus-5 is lovely but I use more that one phone on a daily basis and having a “cheap” powerhouse is fun and some of these Chinese phones is actually not bad at all...
Hope I have not offended anybody or broken any forum rules, I will post this both on SlateDroid and XDA as this is where I can, again feel free to copy and paste into other Fora.
Robert
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I think this is a really interesting idea and it could be something XDA could create. A few questions:
1. How much funding is enough to convince a developer to make a ROM for a given device? Is it $200? $1000? Also, you have to consider that the developer would need to purchase the tablet.
2. How would we avoid there being a big number of tablets that don't get enough funding to attract a developer? There are dozens and dozens of devices that you mean (great hardware, but terrible software), and it wouldn't be ideal if there were 2, 3, or 4 devices that have ample funding, but 25 devices that have just $20 committed.
CoopZor said:
I asked a Developer and he asked me if we had kernel source.
Is onda willing to give this? Do they even have email?
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May be this
Souce code: android 4.4 kit kat from Amlogic
openlinux.amlogic.com/Android/Tablet/4.4_ReleaseInfo
(Sorry, I can not post urls yet)
CoopZor said:
I asked a Developer and he asked me if we had kernel source.
Is onda willing to give this? Do they even have email?
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Isn't this the code from amlogic we need?
Well i liked this Idea moreover i am very familiar with chinese Phones as myself i own 2 Karbonn Phones which are rebranded Chinese phones and i have developed lots of ROMs for them i can certainly make ROMs on requests in mass only if i get enough money to get that device
But i will be free only after my exams i.e. after march then i can be a part of this idea
GuneetAtwal said:
Well i liked this Idea moreover i am very familiar with chinese Phones as myself i own 2 Karbonn Phones which are rebranded Chinese phones and i have developed lots of ROMs for them i can certainly make ROMs on requests in mass only if i get enough money to get that device
But i will be free only after my exams i.e. after march then i can be a part of this idea
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Do you need kernel code for that?
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CoopZor said:
Do you need kernel code for that?
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Well most of the Chinese devices have mediatek chipset and they don't release kernel sources for their devices and I make custom ROMs from stock ROM only and try to add as much features as possible with stability and better battery backup
Moreover I can easily port most famous ROMs like MIUI , LewaOS etc
GuneetAtwal said:
Well most of the Chinese devices have mediatek chipset and they don't release kernel sources for their devices and I make custom ROMs from stock ROM only and try to add as much features as possible with stability and better battery backup
Moreover I can easily port most famous ROMs like MIUI , LewaOS etc
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Sounds great. Count me in with 10 EUR.
And...I guess what you'd need is the AMlogic source code for the CPU right? The link above?
BTW has anyone asked for support from Christian Troy? Just wanna know before I write him a PM, because I don't want to annoy him.
yabbadabbadoo said:
Sounds great. Count me in with 10 EUR.
And...I guess what you'd need is the AMlogic source code for the CPU right? The link above?
BTW has anyone asked for support from Christian Troy? Just wanna know before I write him a PM, because I don't want to annoy him.
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That I will manage myself as I just want to know the hardware details etc but I will work only after the end of next month as I have exams but after exams I will be active again for ROM development
Alricht, 10€ from me, that makes 20€ total.
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*edit: as many people suggested in the posts. a new single forum for other manufacturers with 1 single subforum per maker might be a better idea than whats suggested in this post**
the mods have explained several times why they are not willing to support other non-HTC devices for various reasons over here so im not gonna ask that. i will however ask that the admins to consider spinning off another site to do that.
there are some other sites that try to do that but they ALL fail miserably because they dont have the ridiculously high number of smart users registered to them. to solve this major problem, i propose that the users data base of xda-dev gets synchronized with the newly created site.
the new site may look something like
- windows mobile support and development forums
- htc built devices like palm,xperia...etc
- 1 subforum per device (more if its a very popular devices like xperia X2,omnia, toshiba tg10...etc)
I wasn't aware of the reasoning for no non-HTC device forums. You have a link?
Personally I think we should have subforums for the popular non-HTC devices like i780, Omnia, Epix, SG01, Asus devices, etc. But who am I?
there are many http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=464635
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463252
and the reasoning is that "jack of all trades is a jackass" or something like that
THE GRIZZ said:
mods: please drop your whack-a-mole hammers and consider this
the mods have explained several times why they are not willing to support other non-HTC devices for various reasons over here so im not gonna ask that. i will however ask that the admins to consider spinning off another site to do that.
there are some other sites that try to do that but they ALL fail miserably because they dont have the ridiculously high number of smart users registered to them. to solve this major problem, i propose that the users data base of xda-dev gets synchronized with the newly created site. all that is needed is for the user to confirm the newly created account in the new site (in case some of the users explicitly dont want to register)
the new site may look something like this
- windows mobile support and development forums
- htc built devices like palm,xperia...etc
- 1 subforum per device (more if its a very popular devices like xperia X2,omnia, toshiba tg10...etc)
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First of all, title is misleading.
Second, it's never gonna happen (another site needs more resources, which this site is struggling with.
Third, I give you one day before this thread gets closed.
Cheers
THE GRIZZ said:
mods: please drop your whack-a-mole hammers and consider this
the mods have explained several times why they are not willing to support other non-HTC devices for various reasons over here so im not gonna ask that. i will however ask that the admins to consider spinning off another site to do that.
there are some other sites that try to do that but they ALL fail miserably because they dont have the ridiculously high number of smart users registered to them. to solve this major problem, i propose that the users data base of xda-dev gets synchronized with the newly created site. all that is needed is for the user to confirm the newly created account in the new site (in case some of the users explicitly dont want to register)
the new site may look something like this
- windows mobile support and development forums
- htc built devices like palm,xperia...etc
- 1 subforum per device (more if its a very popular devices like xperia X2,omnia, toshiba tg10...etc)
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And add ponderous, overlarge, and un navigatable
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just vote no and spare us your silly negativity. i was merely asking for them to consider it. if its a bad idea it will show from their replies and from the poll.
Third, I give you one day before this thread gets closed.
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stop suggesting them ideas. and they wont
Its so much easier to add a single "other devices" subforum (not even full section like what they are doing now for every single device device).
this way we all get the advantags of having non-htc devices without the extra work and headache that goes with creating full website page.
i like the " the users data base of xda-dev gets synchronized with the newly created site" part though
My opinion is to leave XDA as it is now
Do not add more non HTC forums!
It will just make it slower
Should be around the net good forums for other brands
When have you saw a site together between reebok and nike?
Every one has its own stores
Just my 3 cents
i had the same idea when i bought my omnia
http://winmodevelopers.co.cc
this site deals with all of the non htc devices
((although may i remind you its no way affiliated with this site it just served as inspiration))
it already has a few roms and a marketplace was opened in january, and yes were stuggling with resources but thats the way it is in the shadows lol
any non htc winmo device can be added, although smartphones will be added through poularity
also we are moving the entire site soon to a dedicted server soon courtisy of QUICKSITE and this will take time but feel free to add your nuggets of info to winmodevelopers.co.cc
also take note its a very fimiliar format to xda so u wont get lost
(disclaimers : winmodevs is not an affiliate of xda-developers.com, the onlt connection is certain members including me who frequent both sites)
I think that would be really cool! The TG01 needs to have support from the wonderful ppl @ xda!
ive already got the tg01 there and now ive just installed a chatrrom for geeks
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just vote no and spare us your silly negativity. i was merely asking for them to consider it. if its a bad idea it will show from their replies and from the poll.
I apologize for your dismissiveness. Only thing I would point out; is that in any enterprise, diminution of effort is really a bad thing. Take the examples of the car cos. just to name a couple. Orb3000 has it right, I've got a motorola device. Found forums that are exclusive to that. I believe that works out the best.
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jayjay8585 said:
ive already got the tg01 there and now ive just installed a chatrrom for geeks
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Nice! Where did you get the TG01 from and for how much?
And guys, let's not be dismissive or overly negative like that please, we should try to be friendly.
jayjay8585 said:
i had the same idea when i bought my omnia
http://winmodevelopers.co.cc
this site deals with all of the non htc devices
((although may i remind you its no way affiliated with this site it just served as inspiration))
it already has a few roms and a marketplace was opened in january, and yes were stuggling with resources but thats the way it is in the shadows lol
any non htc winmo device can be added, although smartphones will be added through poularity
also we are moving the entire site soon to a dedicted server soon courtisy of QUICKSITE and this will take time but feel free to add your nuggets of info to winmodevelopers.co.cc
also take note its a very fimiliar format to xda so u wont get lost
(disclaimers : winmodevs is not an affiliate of xda-developers.com, the onlt connection is certain members including me who frequent both sites)
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the site in your signature has more forum sections than actual posts or members. in its current status, it cant complement xda-devs in any way
orb3000 said:
When have you saw a site together between reebok and nike?
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Well as I understood HTC as a company has nothing with this forum?
And I'm sure reebok and nike wouldn't make site together because each of them want to sell it's sports equipment.
But, if some sport equipment lover make site about sport equipment I'm pretty sure there would be nike and reebok and many others.
I have HTC so I selfishly don't care if there are other devices on XDA-developers.
But if I buy some other non-HTC device some day I would really love to have support for it from great site like xda-developers
cheers
Can someone please explain to me how operating a forum with the amount of members and posts is not a profitable business?
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the site in your signature has more forum sections than actual posts or members. in its current status, it cant complement xda-devs in any way
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well firstly
Board Statistics
Our members have made a total of 272 posts
We have 341 registered members
and theres only bout 23 or 24 forums so that makes ur stateate very brash
secondly you think anything you start now will imediatly get 1.5 million members and chefs will flock and devs will batlle to host there crap on ur site, it doesnt work that way
ive worked really hard to get to the site in it urrent state and itll only get bigger
also you have to take into account everyone is eih ergreedy or impatient so if theres question asked on wimnmodevs then nobody sticks around too long because they wont answers now
so see as many little members there is that brilliant going when u rememerb the site only been opened for 6 months and xda has been going for years
but then again u sdont have to use it, thee are a few who are. but i mean if you really dont like it and if its that bad feel free to trawl around xda asking bout it when theres one there
btw this wasnt meant to sound *****y if it did i apologise im just saying if u want a new site at the drop of a hat that has this much support then it not happening im afraid site like this take time
Ok then. Whoever is willing to pay for the major bandwith and whatnot step right up and pay.
Usually I have never comment on those post ”we should get additional None HTC device listed here” but now I will give my 2 cents on this subject. THIS IS MY PERSONALY OPIONIEN I DON’T MEAN TO INSULT ANYONE!!!!:
I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY WE SHOULD NOT LIST NONE HTC DEVICES.
This forum has started to developt WinMo and during that time HTC were first manufucturer of such device. However this forum became so famous in last 8-10 years so that when you type anything WinMo related word in Google or any other search engine it leads you at least few times back to this forum. So with Such search engine power many old and new brilliant people come here to meet and share their knowledge. With Such knowledge base and information the searchengine crawlers are as I believe the most band wide consumer.
Now been this site so famous and this site been only on HTC devices, gives actually VERY BIG Marketing advantage to the “Company HTC” As I believe over the years HTC owns some of their popularity to this forum but DOESN’T HAS TO PAY SINGLE CENTS. I mean many other companies paying hard cash to make their names and their products popular in the search engines so that consumers can find them easily.
Furthermore we all here given so much feedback on our Dream devices or find so many mistakes on the current device models so that HTC itself can learn and align them self for future devices or even make correction on next produced patch for devices that are still in production. Again all these are for free of charge and without making expensive surveys. I assure you for HTC it is a kind of Gold mine here.
I personally believe competition amount of the manufacturer can bring only advantage to the consumer. This is for price and for quality!!!
Therefore As I believe continuing supporting only HTC devices here in XDA_DEV gives HTC big advantage on the mentioned COMPETITION and hurt as Consumer!!!
Be frank I don’t believe on those sister forums or what so ever (again I don’t wanted insult anyone’s idea it is just my opinion)
my simple mathematic is:
A forum based of people…people brings Knowledge/information…Knowledge/information brings search engines…. Search engines bring people.
From my experiences building a forum and been successful (popular) is very very Long and hard job
[FONT="]Conclusion of above I would say we should Support here also none HTC devices[/FONT]
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Can someone please explain to me how operating a forum with the amount of members and posts is not a profitable business?
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Look arround you will obviously see that this forums attention is not making money!!! But I do fully agree with you that there is alot of opertunity to turn this site to BIG CASH...
However according the websiteoutlook (http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.xda-developers.com) it stands not to bad there:
Net Worth $1.04 Million Daily Pageview 474342 Daily Ads Revenue $1425.48
The next big OS update after Froyo will demand a minimum of a 3.5-inch display, a 1GHz processor, and 512MB of RAM (The desire has all the minimum requirements plus a little bit more..).
My question to you guys is; Do you think the mighty HTC will continue to support the Desire much after Froyo. The Desire is set for a US release to select operators in August, so perhaps this will spur HTC on to keep on supporting the phone seen as it will be new in the US.
Android 3.0 (Gingerbread)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/android-3-0-gingerbread-getting-revamped-ui-froyo-living-on-for/
Desire to US
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/16/htc-desire-in-the-us-pipeline-for-select-regional-operators-th/
Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
^ what a grumpy prick
vlasac said:
Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
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What crawled up your **** this morning? I was asking a question to find out hat other people think, because un-like you, I'm interested in other peoples opinions. Also, asking a question provides more substance and ability to lengthen the thread to more interesting posts other than "Cool" and "I can't wait for Gingerbread".
If that's the wrong way to treat a forum then let me know and I'll refrain from posting in the future.
Some people think we're running out of space! If you dont like a thread, dont reply to it, let it sink into the mud.
Anyway I hope that we get Gingerbread since we meet the spec.
If not it will be ported somehow I'm sure Maybe ex sense programmers will join the cheffing team
vlasac said:
Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
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You sir, are one grumpy twat.
My guess would be that The Desire MIGHT get a gingerbread update, but if it does, it most certainly will be the last update for the device.
I Don't understand why HTC does not simply provide 2 different official ROMS for their phone. One with Sense enabled, the other being a simple build from AOSP with the right drivers. It wouldn't be that time consuming in regards to maintaining the vanilla build.
Exactly, If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it.
It would be nice to see the next big OS update before they officially stop support.
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I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time
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I think yours is the childish post.
If you can't learn to skip over threads you don't appreciate, then you should go to a forum that doesn't promote healthy discussion, although it will likely be stagnant.
Regarding the original post, I think we will get gingerbread, although after a longer delay than froyo as the desire won't be the flagship by then.
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When a Device matches only the min Spec
even if it gets it , it should be quite slow i think ...
vlasac said:
Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
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LOL at you grumpy @[email protected]$. cool yourself fella, have a cookie.
SkyWalker1726 said:
When a Device matches only the min Spec
even if it gets it , it should be quite slow i think ...
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I don't think the minimum requirement are a technical requirement as much as standards that google had "failed" to set to begin with. My guess is that this was to avoid manufacturers sticking Android on low end devices to find later that it cannot be upgraded to new android releases. Setting a 1ghz, 512mb RAM minimum limit means google knows for sure that they have some margins and that phones will be able to run future updates.
vlasac said:
Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
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32 posts in 5 years! Well you are a useful member of the community!
****!
speedking34 said:
I Don't understand why HTC does not simply provide 2 different official ROMS for their phone. One with Sense enabled, the other being a simple build from AOSP with the right drivers. It wouldn't be that time consuming in regards to maintaining the vanilla build.
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this is a great idea, if anything it might boost their sales of the devices as people who dont like sense but actually like the look of the phone and specs may get one.
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I don't think the minimum requirement are a technical requirement as much as standards that google had "failed" to set to begin with. My guess is that this was to avoid manufacturers sticking Android on low end devices to find later that it cannot be upgraded to new android releases. Setting a 1ghz, 512mb RAM minimum limit means google knows for sure that they have some margins and that phones will be able to run future updates.
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I completely agree. It's important that Google finally face the facts that it is important to have minimum requirements - and the important part ist, that they are high enough to last for some years. Otherwise you will have the same problems in 1 year...again...
I definitely think that the Desire is potent enough to run Android 3.0. I doubt it though that it will officially get an update.
Whilst Google may have made the mistake of not setting minimum requirments the OS is still relatively young. If they implement it now, within the next few months nie years they may be able to prevent further fragmentation.
And I think it is also important that if it gets fragmented (and it will, even iOS is fragmented now) you make clear cuts. Not like what we have seen until today where some devices have verison x, another has version y for no clear reason. Phones with hardware X get X and, those with hardware Y get Y. And it is also important to make updates as easy as possible, and I think they are doing that too. I read that they want to make the cusom UIs (like Sense) really just shallow so they arent deeply integrated into the system.
I think those two steps are really important and necessary for the future.
The Nexus One will get the next OS ('Android 3') for sure, unless Google makes some sudden changes in their plan. Since the Desire is the Nexus but with even more RAM, it's pretty sure we will see a working Android 3 ROM. It's good to be brothers with Google's kid
Don't tell anybody I told you this, but IF HTC decides to be nice and provide Android 3 for the Desire, the OTA update will arive in February 2011. Off course expect some new killer Android 3 devices to make you forget about the Desire and buy a new 400€ device.
J/k at the part I am a secret spy @ htc xD
Didn't google once mention that they would make the individual components of the OS updateble, so that even phones with sense or blur could update as soon as it came out? (so if they implement that in android 3.0 and we get that update, we will be golden)
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Didn't google once mention that they would make the individual components of the OS updateble, so that even phones with sense or blur could update as soon as it came out? (so if they implement that in android 3.0 and we get that update, we will be golden)
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It would be great if it was possible to upgrade your phone OS without waiting for your the developer to update their software.
But if that means that it will be much harder for app developers to make their software work on as many phones a possible I don't think they should do this.
Anyway, I hope HTC will bring an Android 3.0 upgrade for the Desire. Damn, I'm still waiting for 2.2 :/
*checks for updates on his Desire*
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I don't think it's actually shocking news that low end phones won't get the 3.0 update, even though I think the specs mentioned (1 GHz, 512 MB RAM) would be very high for a *phone* OS, probably released within a few months. I hope it will not really be "minimum" specs, but more "recomended" specs.
Flaggie said:
Didn't google once mention that they would make the individual components of the OS updateble, so that even phones with sense or blur could update as soon as it came out? (so if they implement that in android 3.0 and we get that update, we will be golden)
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Yeah they're doing this in Android 3.0.
I'm thrilled about this, I hope they revamp things like the music app and the message app.
Has anyone tried it yet, what was the outcome?
Is it possible?
Please share your ideas, views and suggestions here.
I think i read somewhere about it, but the project is not continue, unfortunatelly :/
search, maybe you'll find something
Hey Abhishek...
Why do you need to create another thread...??
There are two ongoing threads on the same topic... And if you are interested please head on to those to find out the info about porting android on bada..
Dont create unnecessary threads.... I suggest delete this... or after sometime all we will see in the Bada Section is useless threads....
*facepalm*
Read other topics WWW.ANDROIDPORT.NEt there is the wavedroid project.
Go away and come back when you have some progress for us wavedroid.
Still wondering if wavedroid is a money making exercise or a genuine attempt at getting Android over. The delays don't help the impression this is an exercise being led by folks more eager than actually having the skills to accomplish the task.
I'll be the first to eat my hat if this ever comes to fruition, but I won't be donating anything to something that at this point seems to have only updates on various delays.
Hows this for an interesting post on the JetDroid website...
Not sure why you need the expensive software, it is nice and would help but 95% of the works is already completed for you guys.
To start:
Look for phones with same hardware then use that parts from their android and put the parts into a custom version. You can reuse the /sbin and /system folders from the android sdk virtual machine or if you want better performance use the /sbin and /system of a similar hardware phone android version and just add your init , init.rc , zimage and package this into a rom or dual boot like we do.
CPU:
The wave / Samsung-Intrinsity S5PC110 cpu is much more supported than our s3c6410 and used even by Apple so look at idroid , samsung crespo , HTC 4G android , samsung i9000 for sources for your android files to start from.
Screen:
The screen is possibly the same as S8000 or Spica, wave 3.3" the rest is in other samsung opensource files you just need to mix and match parts.
Obstacles:
The biggest problem might be the cpu and screen + andreno or powervx or Mali display driver but android.so will work until you get to the video driver.
Camera:
Camera is in M910 samsung opensource files / other 5MP camera, there is only a few 5MP camera from that samsung uses so might need to work on the code if you can not find it from a same camera android phone version that is already working.
Now make a good WaveDroid version:
Once you have all this and have it working then you can build a clean custom version of android optmized for your phone. CM for HTC 4G phones might work with almost no or little changes possibly just in the kernel.
The samsung opensource website has the SCH-W850 / SPH-W8500 / SPH-W8550 , this could share some hardware with Samsung Wave as well, similar number codes. Look for a recent code release nov/dec 2010 or later.
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After reading that, I felt I could almost make an android port myself lol. Clearly there are some very knowledgeable and experienced persons out there.
What really bugs me is the Wavedroid folks have been asking for money for months, yet have shown not a shred of proof they have accomplished anything. Secondly, folks have been asking (rightfully so), why you have not implemented a Paypal widget so people can see just how much money you have raised so far. I know you are using illegal software and thus don't want to let everyone into your inner circle to see the progress, but you have shown and proved absolutely nothing. There are more doubts than positive feelings at the moment.
Please don't let this thread grow to one of two-three pages which is worth nothing, there is already another one just for this purpose
Android port is stuck because programmers dont have any programm to edit the bootloader of wave,so they can not do the port...
If anyone knows any free programm to edit ARM 7 files (like IDA 5.7) please give it to them.
But if nobody knows any programm for this case the have to wait until they have enough money form donations to buy the IDA 5.7
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This is outrageous, the fact that you need commercial tools to do what your looking to do clearly denotes your level of incompetence. Look at idroid. i didnt see them asking people for money to buy tools?? And i would say that Apple did a much better job locking down the i range then samsung did with the Wave. If you have stumbled at the starting block just forfeit the race.
Prove to us that you know what the f**k your doing and then you can have your donations.
Generally i supported this project, but then you asked for money. Money changes everything.
sabianadmin said:
This is outrageous, the fact that you need commercial tools to do what your looking to do clearly denotes your level of incompetence. Look at idroid. i didnt see them asking people for money to buy tools?? And i would say that Apple did a much better job locking down the i range then samsung did with the Wave. If you have stumbled at the starting block just forfeit the race.
Prove to us that you know what the f**k your doing and then you can have your donations.
Generally i supported this project, but then you asked for money. Money changes everything.
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I agree with U
Asking for money, without providing any scrap of proof that anything is even going on, is what irks people here. Not even a simply paypal donation widget exists so folks can see what the $ count is too.
Too many red flags on this one. I know I'm not the first to ask for proof, or even just something other than "we are working it, it'll be done soooooon, give us all your moneys roflwtflolbbq"
So many other android ports happened without need for this software. And also may I point out what seems total ineptitude on the wavedroid team's part. The Galaxy S contains pretty much the identical hardware as the Wave does. In fact you find me a phone that has identical hardware, one running android, the other something else, and tell me we already have as near an android phone as you're going to get. Compared to other port projects, this should have been done in a weekend to be honest.
wavedroid are bogus, and will accomplish nothing just like all the so called Android to Wave projects and groups previously.
I agree with sabian. I don't know a **** about how difficult or easy is this, but i'm pretty sure that there are good developers around here. Why couldn't you start a new project?
I aggre with you guys,it is very odd that they ask for money without doing anythink...
I just posted that if you know any free software that works with ARM7 files it would be good to inform then...
But they have a very good reason to ask for money because if they can not edit the bootloader they can not load anythink else from bada...if they do that the project it would be almost done because wave and galaxy s have similar hardware so with some fixes to scripts they will have a very good androidport to wave..
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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z0phi3l said:
Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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What's your point ? Nexus devices are supposed to be an especially reliable plateform for Android app programmers, not a vast google beta program for it's own developers !! (I'm talking about the basic hardware features here, not advanced / beta features in google apps)
OP, i'd say... who cares? You said yourself its stupid thread so why do you bother to start it anyway?
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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The nexus 7 is sold in all consumer electronic stores, as is any Samsung, Sony,... products. Clearly it's not "beta hardware" anymore...
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.
User_99 said:
Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.
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I'd even say, a developer would require EXTRA STABLE hardware in order to program without having hardware bugs mixing with his own apps' bugs...
when you first discovered the issue did you try to return it? Have you read about the issue before purchasing it?
why not get an apple device, just curious.
I completely agree with you with all these problems with the Nexus 7, but for its price and speed compared to the iPad mini, I'll stick with my Nexus 7 since the problems are bearable for me.
While I agree with the OP in principle, almost everything in the computing industry is that way any more. There is such pressure to get new hardware/software out the door, that all vendors are putting stuff out before it is truly ready. I don't think Google is any more guilty of this than any other technology vendor. I've seen stuff a LOT more screwed up than the N7.
IMO there is an 80-90% chance most, if not all, of your touch issues can be resolved in 10 minutes using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2428133
Of course you won't have the pleasure of ranting.
Your choice.
That is why I always wait at least a month before I buy something. That ways I can see if there is any problems with the first run. With the New Nexus 7 I new there was going to be issues with multi touch and I haven't had any problems with it yet. The only problem I have had so far is the keyboard sometimes freezes while I type. Not a big deal to me. No matter what electronic device you buy, there will always be something that will go wrong with it. I'm loving the New Nexus 7 so far. Just sad to see someone get discouraged over something that could be fixed by software. Enjoy your next tablet that you get.
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I think it's an Asus thing rather than Google's fault, though u could argue it's Google's fault for going with aids...
phentex said:
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Shuddup
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phentex said:
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Let's be honest here, you can always find a flaw in each phone/tablet out in the market. Everything comes down to your personal preference and your ability to accept certain flaws. Even ipads/iphones have their own set of issues. It may not be multi touch issues but there are some other issues.
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I dont have any issues. None that you describe. Then again, I'm not an end user. Which you sound like. Nothing wrong with that. But you bought something for power users and devs. Not Gramma's and Hippsters..
I change the things out with other things that give me issues or that I don't like and I have full control of the tablet. Something you'll harldy get elsewhere.
But thats not what you want. You want rock stable. So buy an Apple. (which has its own issues, But thats not where I am going) or a windows slate...Muahahahahahahahahahaha....Sorry, there really is no place to go that doesn't have some kind of issue. Maybe Buy a chalk board. Those haven't had many issues in like 100+ years.
I love how everyone has their own way of fighting with OP. He wasn't trying to engage a fight simply saying that the Nexus had too many problems for his liking. I was very very close to leaving as well myself. If there was any comparable alternative I would have been gone long ago.
Why do you guys make excuses for Google? Nexus is for developers only? LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. Sure, stuff happens when your factory is in China... But this is excessive..
There needs to be accountability and quick corrective action (Google has taken some action, but not enough yet.) if we sit here and accept whatever garbage is fed to us, we will always be fed garbage simply because they can.
berardi said:
LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. \.
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Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...
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Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...
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Xda developers, yes... How many people are developing for Xda? I guess we should all be banned. What kind of statement are u making did you even think before you post?
Yeah, maybe a mod thinks this site is only for developers... But I would like to see the reaction on the site owners face if you told him they have banned all non developers. Ad revenue instantly = 0
Historically the site was started for developers maybe but now I guarantee 90% of site content cannot be considered development. Unless you consider a million replies asking where to download Gapp zip for paranoid android development....
Stuff like the OP doesn't belong Development forum, but can you blame the guy for posting here? I went through 20 Nexus only to find out that it was a firmware issue. Google messed up royally...
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True, it's just sad that everyone keep begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, seriously.
They should have appreciated on what xiaomi offers with this phone at this kind of price like good display, build quality and superior cameras! You are getting what you payed for.
I mean... if they, or you, really love Android 10 flavouring their A3, just grab a big selection of Android 10 custom ROM from our community, its way simpler than keep doing that. I know they may have bugs but they like Android 10 because of these... Dark mode, gesture navigation, privacy control, etc.
Now if they, or you decide to keep on begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, by all means go ahead! But this won't speed up their (xiaomi dev) development. Simple common sense, isn't it?
I strongly disagree with you, how does Xiaomi have enough resources to build MIUI 11? In fact Xiaomi has also released MIUI11 based Android 10 updates, if they have enough resources for them then they definitely work on Android One phones too.
Another thing: The reason Android One phones are supposed to get updates faster is manufacturers don't need to modify the OS much as compared to their own flavour (MIUI).
If they don't have enough resources they should not produce a Android One phone at first place. The MI A3 community is not being impatient, the update is quite late already, clearly there is no benefit of this phone having Android One program.
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MarcusMario0605 said:
True, it's just sad that everyone keep begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, seriously.
They should have appreciated on what xiaomi offers with this phone at this kind of price like good display, build quality and superior cameras! You are getting what you payed for.
I mean... if they, or you, really love Android 10 flavouring their A3, just grab a big selection of Android 10 custom ROM from our community, its way simpler than keep doing that. I know they may have bugs but they like Android 10 because of these... Dark mode, gesture navigation, privacy control, etc.
Now if they, or you decide to keep on begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, by all means go ahead! But this won't speed up their (xiaomi dev) development. Simple common sense, isn't it?
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No brother, users are NOT getting what they paid for. Faster updates was one of the main selling point of this Phone, clearly Xiaomi has no interest in their Android One devices, their priority has always been phones with MIUI. And yes, NOT everyone has enough technical knowledge to flash custom roms.
zenkhas said:
I strongly disagree with you, how does Xiaomi have enough resources to build MIUI 11? In fact Xiaomi has also released MIUI11 based Android 10 updates, if they have enough resources for them then they definitely work on Android One phones too.
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They surely don't have as much income from Android One opposed to MIUI, which is their brand. Of course they are not working as hard on it and the teams working on MIUI are definitely bigger. The number of phones that got Q is really handful compared to Xiaomi's lineup and those that did got an update, cost a lot more than this device. THAT is whole point.
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Another thing: The reason Android One phones are supposed to get updates faster is manufacturers don't need to modify the OS much as compared to their own flavour (MIUI).
If they don't have enough resources they should not produce a Android One phone at first place. The MI A3 community is not being impatient, the update is quite late already, clearly there is no benefit of this phone having Android One program.
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And I repeat, no one said, not Google nor Xiaomi, that Android One updates are faster.
Name me a midrange phone that got Q? Galaxy A50... nope?
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They surely don't have as much income from Android One opposed to MIUI, which is their brand. Of course they are not working as hard on it and the teams working on MIUI are definitely bigger. The number of phones that got Q is really handful compared to Xiaomi's lineup and those that did got an update, cost a lot more than this device. THAT is whole point.
And I repeat, no one said, not Google nor Xiaomi, that Android One updates are faster.
Name me a midrange phone that got Q? Galaxy A50... nope?
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Well, I'm not sure about mid-range devices which have received Android 10 update, but If you go to Android One's website, their title says "Secure, up-to-date and easy to use", but unfortunately our devices have been outdated for quite a while now. Simple.
But yes, we can't do anything but to wait.
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Well, I'm not sure about mid-range devices which have received Android 10 update, but If you go to Android One's website, their title says "Secure, up-to-date and easy to use", but unfortunately our devices have been outdated for quite a while now. Simple.
But yes, we can't do anything but to wait.
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Outdated? We have patch from 5th December and we're in the middle of January. Sounds pretty up-to- date to me. Don't confuse the latest Android version with the latest security patch - Android One is primarily about monthly security updates. 2 Android version upgrades are a nice bonus, but with no guaranteed time frame when is it going to be received.
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No brother, users are NOT getting what they paid for. Faster updates was one of the main selling point of this Phone, clearly Xiaomi has no interest in their Android One devices, their priority has always been phones with MIUI. And yes, NOT everyone has enough technical knowledge to flash custom roms.
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Xiaomi never said it will release faster update, they just said Android One provides a simple, clean UI, providing 2 yrs of software update and 3 yrs of security update only.
If they had no interest on A series phone then why they joined Android One program and manufacturing a widely successful Mi A1 in the first place? They put priority to MIUI phones because MIUI has ads in it, Xiaomi makes money from them, whereas Android One, Xiaomi didn't make any money at all. Then why they keep making Android One phones? Just because users love clean Android, that is something you can't beat with.
Our community provides a large numbers of tutorials on how unlock bootloader/root/install custom ROM, so many of you shouldn't have any difficulties, in case if they have so, our community members will be nice enough to help them find/ solve their difficulties.
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Spolier: this is a rant about the community and their impatience.
Ever since I bought the device 3 months ago, I immediately started searching for ROMs and Telegram groups, etc. And all the time I was seeing people spamming threads, groups and even official Xiaomi Twitter page with questions about the update and such. Some also contacted the customer support and asked them about the update, although the customer support doesn't have any idea about it. And I saw a tweet from Mi India that the update will come mid February. Most replies to that were like: "**** you xiaomi, I will never buy your phone again, you disappointed your customers....".
First of all, it was never said on the Android One page nor the Mi A3 page that the updates will be immediate.
Secondly, building and polishing an Android update to maybe millions of devices costs money and time. I'm not saying that we will get a bug free update, but something probably close to. You can't expect from a company that releases new phones every month with minimal profit margins to push updates so fast. Some flagships still didn't get the update, but their price was 2 or 3 times bigger. You get what you pay for. Appreciate that you have a really nice phone for nothing basically.
Lastly, that behavior is cancerous. Being angry at a company for not fullfiling all of your expectations is your problem. Rather than spamming groups and whatnot, spend some time finding phones that suit you better or find devs that you can donate to. Send them a dollar or two so that they can pay their building servers and drink coffee while removing bugs with no logs.
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For your opinion must waiting on september.few days befor release android 11.
This is not android one my friend is meizu rom.
The most of miui took android 10 and xiaomi forget the vanila android.
This is the truth.
Is the last time buy xiaomi smartphone.never i will buy again this brand.
I have delete until now 3 brands.
Apple motorola xiaomi.
This phone has easy to unlock the boot loader and a bunch of custom ROMs. Go over to the other forums for other phones. It's crickets on the dev side.
Clean Android: good. If mi 9 had it I would jump on one. A month or two delay over the life of the phone is not a huge deal.
I have used 2 Android One phones recently. And they were soo cheap phones. Now I have the Mi A3 and this phone is more expensive than the others. (In Android One category)
And these phones updated very fast. Beta tests begin 1 week after the beta release for Pixel phones. So Android One program means an early update to me. If the update will be late why did I bought this phone?
But there is a point to mention. Another android one phone that I have purchased at the same time with A3, didn't receive Android 10 eighter. There could be a problem with the Google maybe?
i agree with you friend but please explain why A2 got update before A3?
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And in your first point there was a promise, refer to mannu jain tweet. What is the meaning of "One of the first few device" if 2 year old nokia phone got an update, and Samsung cheap phone also received it and motorola too. Then what is the meaning of that tweet, please explain it too sir.
m4RinKo2 said:
They surely don't have as much income from Android One opposed to MIUI, which is their brand. Of course they are not working as hard on it and the teams working on MIUI are definitely bigger. The number of phones that got Q is really handful compared to Xiaomi's lineup and those that did got an update, cost a lot more than this device. THAT is whole point.
And I repeat, no one said, not Google nor Xiaomi, that Android One updates are faster.
Name me a midrange phone that got Q? Galaxy A50... nope?
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Nokia 7.1, motorola one action
It’s just a typical way of thinking of those who had very few or even no knowledge about how programming and the software development process works…
Keep dumping pressure to devs only makes things worse.
It's like torque down the wheel nuts without even using a proper torque wrench; imagine if a guy was hurrying tightening down the nuts by bare hands. The wheels nuts can be loosened up and fall off the car! How safe would that be? Same applies for software development, if they rushed for an update, it can be buggy as hell, who knows!
So “Patience” is definitely the key, I had the same experience with A2 last year, where people just kept begging for Android 9 update. Xiaomi rushed, and pushes out buggy update like battery drain, inconsistent UI, and more severe, bootloop in its Jan update. Now, A2 got android 10 update doesn't mean it is better, it can have bugs like UI, bluetooth, slow charging bugs. It's a last major software update for A2, Xiaomi can rush the update, can't they? I know in Xiaomi website it said "Android one provides up-to-date software experience", but there's the fact that nothing is absolute. The update can be delayed for whatever reason.
The A3 is a cheap, budget, yet mid-range phone and people still want to interpret it as a “flagship” phone. Although this is an Android One phone, Xiaomi still need to fix bugs and add their own custom features. That would generally take some times for the completion, that doesn’t even count for fixing various bugs. Even though Motorola, Nokia phones get Android 10, it’s just depends on certain devs. They can be more productive than us.
Even more surprising, when Xiaomi india replied a tweet at twitter saying that android 10 will arrive on mid-Feb. People are screwed... they f**k Xiaomi and said that they won’t buy their phone again. Well, I feel quite miserable on why are people so impatient and complaining so much, seriously.
That is all I want to say, and I don’t want to dump any more time in this weird tragedy. If you disagree with me, feel free to blame, swear, or report to me. But the Fact that 'the arrival of Android 10 has no exact date' is going to Never change! So please, stop complaining about the update.
Thanks Captain!
m4RinKo2 said:
Spolier: this is a rant about the community and their impatience.
Ever since I bought the device 3 months ago, I immediately started searching for ROMs and Telegram groups, etc. And all the time I was seeing people spamming threads, groups and even official Xiaomi Twitter page with questions about the update and such. Some also contacted the customer support and asked them about the update, although the customer support doesn't have any idea about it. And I saw a tweet from Mi India that the update will come mid February. Most replies to that were like: "**** you xiaomi, I will never buy your phone again, you disappointed your customers....".
First of all, it was never said on the page that the updates will be immediate.
Secondly, building and polishing an Android update to maybe millions of devices costs money and time. I'm not saying that we will get a bug free update, but something probably close to. You can't expect from a company that releases new phones every month with minimal profit margins to push updates so fast. Some flagships still didn't get the update, but their price was 2 or 3 times bigger. You get what you pay for. Appreciate that you have a really nice phone for nothing basically.
Lastly, that behavior is cancerous. Being angry at a company for not fullfiling all of your expectations is your problem. Rather than spamming groups and whatnot, spend some time finding phones that suit you better or find devs that you can donate to. Send them a dollar or two so that they can pay their building servers and drink coffee while removing bugs with no logs.
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Thank you for this Post! got already tired of people complaining about a good, cheap phone whose dev's are taking care of a bug free release first instead of rushing things. The A3 is working purrrfeect for what you pay <3
From my point of view thinking of that mi A3 has some type of priority is as foolish as of believing that this extra time (Chinese New year) will mean a more polished and refined rom.
I think someone should learn what Android One means before starting to make a thread.
MarcusMario0605 said:
Xiaomi never said it will release faster update, they just said Android One provides a simple, clean UI, providing 2 yrs of software update and 3 yrs of security update only.
If they had no interest on A series phone then why they joined Android One program and manufacturing a widely successful Mi A1 in the first place? They put priority to MIUI phones because MIUI has ads in it, Xiaomi makes money from them, whereas Android One, Xiaomi didn't make any money at all. Then why they keep making Android One phones? Just because users love clean Android, that is something you can't beat with.
Our community provides a large numbers of tutorials on how unlock bootloader/root/install custom ROM, so many of you shouldn't have any difficulties, in case if they have so, our community members will be nice enough to help them find/ solve their difficulties.
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Thats completely untrue. Xiaomi have made alluded to faster android upgrades for their Android One phones. And sometimes even made direct statements on that issue - one statement was from Manu (India's VP) saying "Mi A3 is going to be one of the first few devices to get Android Q".
After all the hype about faster updates from their fanbase, now you've amazingly said Xiaomi never promised anything at all! How very Trumpian of you.
And now you've made some more incredible statements like Xiaomi is only producing Android one phones because they have to, not because they actually want to, and Xiaomi don't make any money at all on these phones. No facts, no figures, just an outright assertion.
Customs roms are nice but it has no bearing on this issue. These roms are generally not vetted, tested, checked to see if they are stable and free from malware.
MarcusMario0605 said:
True, it's just sad that everyone keep begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, seriously.
They should have appreciated on what xiaomi offers with this phone at this kind of price like good display, build quality and superior cameras! You are getting what you payed for.
I mean... if they, or you, really love Android 10 flavouring their A3, just grab a big selection of Android 10 custom ROM from our community, its way simpler than keep doing that. I know they may have bugs but they like Android 10 because of these... Dark mode, gesture navigation, privacy control, etc.
Now if they, or you decide to keep on begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, by all means go ahead! But this won't speed up their (xiaomi dev) development. Simple common sense, isn't it?
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Bro, would like to disagree with you here. If in the end we have to choose a custom rom, then why would I buy an Android One device. I could simply buy a MiUI based Xiaomi device and simply install custom rom (Probably that's what the Xiaomi wants). The other reason people prefer Android One device is to get rid of complications a custom rom develop.
Secondly, there's no hiding away from the fact that update is delayed for whatever reason may it be. Both the parties are at fault, I agree lots of people are baby shouting about Android 10 but the fact is and will be is that the update has been delayed. And for this no one is blaming developers. I always respect the developers. They work behind the scenes without getting applaused. But the anger of people is over Xiaomi not the developers. The fact is people showing here as if they care for developrs are actually diverting the company's fault to developrs. Xiaomi aren't focusing on Android One with majority of developers assigned to MiUI. And this device is not the one which has been sold less. This is one of the best selling phones. It offering a lot at this price.
Manu (India's VP) saying "Mi A3 is going to be one of the first few devices to get Android Q".
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Typical non-committal language - just consider how many vendors and devices are out there - if the Mi A3 gets Android 10 in March 2020, it might very well be part of the "first few devices". In short, there is no reason to assume Mr. Manu wasn't being truthful at the time of tweeting this (back in Aug 2019). That is what he was led to believe then.
Xiaomi should be a bit more open about the roadmap/update progress, to ease everyone's mind.