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True, it's just sad that everyone keep begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, seriously.
They should have appreciated on what xiaomi offers with this phone at this kind of price like good display, build quality and superior cameras! You are getting what you payed for.
I mean... if they, or you, really love Android 10 flavouring their A3, just grab a big selection of Android 10 custom ROM from our community, its way simpler than keep doing that. I know they may have bugs but they like Android 10 because of these... Dark mode, gesture navigation, privacy control, etc.
Now if they, or you decide to keep on begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, by all means go ahead! But this won't speed up their (xiaomi dev) development. Simple common sense, isn't it?
I strongly disagree with you, how does Xiaomi have enough resources to build MIUI 11? In fact Xiaomi has also released MIUI11 based Android 10 updates, if they have enough resources for them then they definitely work on Android One phones too.
Another thing: The reason Android One phones are supposed to get updates faster is manufacturers don't need to modify the OS much as compared to their own flavour (MIUI).
If they don't have enough resources they should not produce a Android One phone at first place. The MI A3 community is not being impatient, the update is quite late already, clearly there is no benefit of this phone having Android One program.
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MarcusMario0605 said:
True, it's just sad that everyone keep begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, seriously.
They should have appreciated on what xiaomi offers with this phone at this kind of price like good display, build quality and superior cameras! You are getting what you payed for.
I mean... if they, or you, really love Android 10 flavouring their A3, just grab a big selection of Android 10 custom ROM from our community, its way simpler than keep doing that. I know they may have bugs but they like Android 10 because of these... Dark mode, gesture navigation, privacy control, etc.
Now if they, or you decide to keep on begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, by all means go ahead! But this won't speed up their (xiaomi dev) development. Simple common sense, isn't it?
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No brother, users are NOT getting what they paid for. Faster updates was one of the main selling point of this Phone, clearly Xiaomi has no interest in their Android One devices, their priority has always been phones with MIUI. And yes, NOT everyone has enough technical knowledge to flash custom roms.
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I strongly disagree with you, how does Xiaomi have enough resources to build MIUI 11? In fact Xiaomi has also released MIUI11 based Android 10 updates, if they have enough resources for them then they definitely work on Android One phones too.
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They surely don't have as much income from Android One opposed to MIUI, which is their brand. Of course they are not working as hard on it and the teams working on MIUI are definitely bigger. The number of phones that got Q is really handful compared to Xiaomi's lineup and those that did got an update, cost a lot more than this device. THAT is whole point.
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Another thing: The reason Android One phones are supposed to get updates faster is manufacturers don't need to modify the OS much as compared to their own flavour (MIUI).
If they don't have enough resources they should not produce a Android One phone at first place. The MI A3 community is not being impatient, the update is quite late already, clearly there is no benefit of this phone having Android One program.
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And I repeat, no one said, not Google nor Xiaomi, that Android One updates are faster.
Name me a midrange phone that got Q? Galaxy A50... nope?
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They surely don't have as much income from Android One opposed to MIUI, which is their brand. Of course they are not working as hard on it and the teams working on MIUI are definitely bigger. The number of phones that got Q is really handful compared to Xiaomi's lineup and those that did got an update, cost a lot more than this device. THAT is whole point.
And I repeat, no one said, not Google nor Xiaomi, that Android One updates are faster.
Name me a midrange phone that got Q? Galaxy A50... nope?
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Well, I'm not sure about mid-range devices which have received Android 10 update, but If you go to Android One's website, their title says "Secure, up-to-date and easy to use", but unfortunately our devices have been outdated for quite a while now. Simple.
But yes, we can't do anything but to wait.
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Well, I'm not sure about mid-range devices which have received Android 10 update, but If you go to Android One's website, their title says "Secure, up-to-date and easy to use", but unfortunately our devices have been outdated for quite a while now. Simple.
But yes, we can't do anything but to wait.
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Outdated? We have patch from 5th December and we're in the middle of January. Sounds pretty up-to- date to me. Don't confuse the latest Android version with the latest security patch - Android One is primarily about monthly security updates. 2 Android version upgrades are a nice bonus, but with no guaranteed time frame when is it going to be received.
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No brother, users are NOT getting what they paid for. Faster updates was one of the main selling point of this Phone, clearly Xiaomi has no interest in their Android One devices, their priority has always been phones with MIUI. And yes, NOT everyone has enough technical knowledge to flash custom roms.
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Xiaomi never said it will release faster update, they just said Android One provides a simple, clean UI, providing 2 yrs of software update and 3 yrs of security update only.
If they had no interest on A series phone then why they joined Android One program and manufacturing a widely successful Mi A1 in the first place? They put priority to MIUI phones because MIUI has ads in it, Xiaomi makes money from them, whereas Android One, Xiaomi didn't make any money at all. Then why they keep making Android One phones? Just because users love clean Android, that is something you can't beat with.
Our community provides a large numbers of tutorials on how unlock bootloader/root/install custom ROM, so many of you shouldn't have any difficulties, in case if they have so, our community members will be nice enough to help them find/ solve their difficulties.
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Spolier: this is a rant about the community and their impatience.
Ever since I bought the device 3 months ago, I immediately started searching for ROMs and Telegram groups, etc. And all the time I was seeing people spamming threads, groups and even official Xiaomi Twitter page with questions about the update and such. Some also contacted the customer support and asked them about the update, although the customer support doesn't have any idea about it. And I saw a tweet from Mi India that the update will come mid February. Most replies to that were like: "**** you xiaomi, I will never buy your phone again, you disappointed your customers....".
First of all, it was never said on the Android One page nor the Mi A3 page that the updates will be immediate.
Secondly, building and polishing an Android update to maybe millions of devices costs money and time. I'm not saying that we will get a bug free update, but something probably close to. You can't expect from a company that releases new phones every month with minimal profit margins to push updates so fast. Some flagships still didn't get the update, but their price was 2 or 3 times bigger. You get what you pay for. Appreciate that you have a really nice phone for nothing basically.
Lastly, that behavior is cancerous. Being angry at a company for not fullfiling all of your expectations is your problem. Rather than spamming groups and whatnot, spend some time finding phones that suit you better or find devs that you can donate to. Send them a dollar or two so that they can pay their building servers and drink coffee while removing bugs with no logs.
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For your opinion must waiting on september.few days befor release android 11.
This is not android one my friend is meizu rom.
The most of miui took android 10 and xiaomi forget the vanila android.
This is the truth.
Is the last time buy xiaomi smartphone.never i will buy again this brand.
I have delete until now 3 brands.
Apple motorola xiaomi.
This phone has easy to unlock the boot loader and a bunch of custom ROMs. Go over to the other forums for other phones. It's crickets on the dev side.
Clean Android: good. If mi 9 had it I would jump on one. A month or two delay over the life of the phone is not a huge deal.
I have used 2 Android One phones recently. And they were soo cheap phones. Now I have the Mi A3 and this phone is more expensive than the others. (In Android One category)
And these phones updated very fast. Beta tests begin 1 week after the beta release for Pixel phones. So Android One program means an early update to me. If the update will be late why did I bought this phone?
But there is a point to mention. Another android one phone that I have purchased at the same time with A3, didn't receive Android 10 eighter. There could be a problem with the Google maybe?
i agree with you friend but please explain why A2 got update before A3?
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And in your first point there was a promise, refer to mannu jain tweet. What is the meaning of "One of the first few device" if 2 year old nokia phone got an update, and Samsung cheap phone also received it and motorola too. Then what is the meaning of that tweet, please explain it too sir.
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They surely don't have as much income from Android One opposed to MIUI, which is their brand. Of course they are not working as hard on it and the teams working on MIUI are definitely bigger. The number of phones that got Q is really handful compared to Xiaomi's lineup and those that did got an update, cost a lot more than this device. THAT is whole point.
And I repeat, no one said, not Google nor Xiaomi, that Android One updates are faster.
Name me a midrange phone that got Q? Galaxy A50... nope?
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Nokia 7.1, motorola one action
It’s just a typical way of thinking of those who had very few or even no knowledge about how programming and the software development process works…
Keep dumping pressure to devs only makes things worse.
It's like torque down the wheel nuts without even using a proper torque wrench; imagine if a guy was hurrying tightening down the nuts by bare hands. The wheels nuts can be loosened up and fall off the car! How safe would that be? Same applies for software development, if they rushed for an update, it can be buggy as hell, who knows!
So “Patience” is definitely the key, I had the same experience with A2 last year, where people just kept begging for Android 9 update. Xiaomi rushed, and pushes out buggy update like battery drain, inconsistent UI, and more severe, bootloop in its Jan update. Now, A2 got android 10 update doesn't mean it is better, it can have bugs like UI, bluetooth, slow charging bugs. It's a last major software update for A2, Xiaomi can rush the update, can't they? I know in Xiaomi website it said "Android one provides up-to-date software experience", but there's the fact that nothing is absolute. The update can be delayed for whatever reason.
The A3 is a cheap, budget, yet mid-range phone and people still want to interpret it as a “flagship” phone. Although this is an Android One phone, Xiaomi still need to fix bugs and add their own custom features. That would generally take some times for the completion, that doesn’t even count for fixing various bugs. Even though Motorola, Nokia phones get Android 10, it’s just depends on certain devs. They can be more productive than us.
Even more surprising, when Xiaomi india replied a tweet at twitter saying that android 10 will arrive on mid-Feb. People are screwed... they f**k Xiaomi and said that they won’t buy their phone again. Well, I feel quite miserable on why are people so impatient and complaining so much, seriously.
That is all I want to say, and I don’t want to dump any more time in this weird tragedy. If you disagree with me, feel free to blame, swear, or report to me. But the Fact that 'the arrival of Android 10 has no exact date' is going to Never change! So please, stop complaining about the update.
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m4RinKo2 said:
Spolier: this is a rant about the community and their impatience.
Ever since I bought the device 3 months ago, I immediately started searching for ROMs and Telegram groups, etc. And all the time I was seeing people spamming threads, groups and even official Xiaomi Twitter page with questions about the update and such. Some also contacted the customer support and asked them about the update, although the customer support doesn't have any idea about it. And I saw a tweet from Mi India that the update will come mid February. Most replies to that were like: "**** you xiaomi, I will never buy your phone again, you disappointed your customers....".
First of all, it was never said on the page that the updates will be immediate.
Secondly, building and polishing an Android update to maybe millions of devices costs money and time. I'm not saying that we will get a bug free update, but something probably close to. You can't expect from a company that releases new phones every month with minimal profit margins to push updates so fast. Some flagships still didn't get the update, but their price was 2 or 3 times bigger. You get what you pay for. Appreciate that you have a really nice phone for nothing basically.
Lastly, that behavior is cancerous. Being angry at a company for not fullfiling all of your expectations is your problem. Rather than spamming groups and whatnot, spend some time finding phones that suit you better or find devs that you can donate to. Send them a dollar or two so that they can pay their building servers and drink coffee while removing bugs with no logs.
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Thank you for this Post! got already tired of people complaining about a good, cheap phone whose dev's are taking care of a bug free release first instead of rushing things. The A3 is working purrrfeect for what you pay <3
From my point of view thinking of that mi A3 has some type of priority is as foolish as of believing that this extra time (Chinese New year) will mean a more polished and refined rom.
I think someone should learn what Android One means before starting to make a thread.
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Xiaomi never said it will release faster update, they just said Android One provides a simple, clean UI, providing 2 yrs of software update and 3 yrs of security update only.
If they had no interest on A series phone then why they joined Android One program and manufacturing a widely successful Mi A1 in the first place? They put priority to MIUI phones because MIUI has ads in it, Xiaomi makes money from them, whereas Android One, Xiaomi didn't make any money at all. Then why they keep making Android One phones? Just because users love clean Android, that is something you can't beat with.
Our community provides a large numbers of tutorials on how unlock bootloader/root/install custom ROM, so many of you shouldn't have any difficulties, in case if they have so, our community members will be nice enough to help them find/ solve their difficulties.
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Thats completely untrue. Xiaomi have made alluded to faster android upgrades for their Android One phones. And sometimes even made direct statements on that issue - one statement was from Manu (India's VP) saying "Mi A3 is going to be one of the first few devices to get Android Q".
After all the hype about faster updates from their fanbase, now you've amazingly said Xiaomi never promised anything at all! How very Trumpian of you.
And now you've made some more incredible statements like Xiaomi is only producing Android one phones because they have to, not because they actually want to, and Xiaomi don't make any money at all on these phones. No facts, no figures, just an outright assertion.
Customs roms are nice but it has no bearing on this issue. These roms are generally not vetted, tested, checked to see if they are stable and free from malware.
MarcusMario0605 said:
True, it's just sad that everyone keep begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, seriously.
They should have appreciated on what xiaomi offers with this phone at this kind of price like good display, build quality and superior cameras! You are getting what you payed for.
I mean... if they, or you, really love Android 10 flavouring their A3, just grab a big selection of Android 10 custom ROM from our community, its way simpler than keep doing that. I know they may have bugs but they like Android 10 because of these... Dark mode, gesture navigation, privacy control, etc.
Now if they, or you decide to keep on begging xiaomi for Android 10 update, by all means go ahead! But this won't speed up their (xiaomi dev) development. Simple common sense, isn't it?
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Bro, would like to disagree with you here. If in the end we have to choose a custom rom, then why would I buy an Android One device. I could simply buy a MiUI based Xiaomi device and simply install custom rom (Probably that's what the Xiaomi wants). The other reason people prefer Android One device is to get rid of complications a custom rom develop.
Secondly, there's no hiding away from the fact that update is delayed for whatever reason may it be. Both the parties are at fault, I agree lots of people are baby shouting about Android 10 but the fact is and will be is that the update has been delayed. And for this no one is blaming developers. I always respect the developers. They work behind the scenes without getting applaused. But the anger of people is over Xiaomi not the developers. The fact is people showing here as if they care for developrs are actually diverting the company's fault to developrs. Xiaomi aren't focusing on Android One with majority of developers assigned to MiUI. And this device is not the one which has been sold less. This is one of the best selling phones. It offering a lot at this price.
Manu (India's VP) saying "Mi A3 is going to be one of the first few devices to get Android Q".
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Typical non-committal language - just consider how many vendors and devices are out there - if the Mi A3 gets Android 10 in March 2020, it might very well be part of the "first few devices". In short, there is no reason to assume Mr. Manu wasn't being truthful at the time of tweeting this (back in Aug 2019). That is what he was led to believe then.
Xiaomi should be a bit more open about the roadmap/update progress, to ease everyone's mind.
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Im here at work and got me thinking bout the rumoured news bout Google releasing the JB 5.0 sometime this fall or workingnto release Q1 2013. News from AndroidPolice...too lazy to link it.
Im just thinking that these updates are happening way to fast. Some phones are yet to receive their ICS and yet JB is just around the corner. Also, new phones with quad will be released early/late spring..? with ICS and for some they will have to wait for another good amount of time for JB. We know that Samsung etc are never on the dot when releasing updates.
I kinda miss the days of Windows OS when they actually make you wait 2/3yrs for a new OS release. Just kinda makes it worthwhile.
All im saying is, that Google should wait until the supported phones have been updated to ICS and give them time to enjoy it. For others they will have to spend an extra money to buy the latest phone with ICS. Not really fair.
Ok im goin back to working...lol...sorta
Until we start seeing apps that don't work on somewhat new OS's I don't see it as a problem. For the most part, apps being put out now are still compatible with Froyo so why should people on Froyo care? Yes it sucks to get a new phone and not have the newest OS but what do you expect Google to do? With apple releasing yearly releases as well they need to keep up.
Google has been releasing yearly OS updates for a while now. Why the concern all of a sudden? Also, probably not worth getting worked up over unreliable rumors.
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I think one release a year is fair. With all thats evolving in the mobile landscape, an update interval any more than that will risk falling behind the competition.
A yearly update is not just to change things around for the heck of it, but to aim to improve the user experience. If the Android team has good work ready to be released, I don't see why they should hold it back because manufacturers can't get their act together. This is why we have the Nexus phones.
I completely disagree. Google's yearly release cycle means that they are always working on making Android better. Since a new major OS release comes every year, I am guaranteed to have a modern phone with a modern OS every year if I continue buying Nexii.
In my opinion it is certainly a good thing.
I dont agree with this. Wait 2-3 years for new features and fixes while other OS's (iOS and Windows Mobile) continue to have yearly updates? No thank you.
For the majority of people, whatever current Android they are on is more than enough for them. If you want to stay on the bleeding edge, you get a Nexus device.
JB probably will not be as big as an upgrade as it was from GB to Honeycomb or ICS.
How is Fall of 2012 or Q1 of 2013 too fast? It's not even spring yet. ICS was announced and released in November, I think. That is a full year, at least, in between OS changes. I think that 1 year in between OS updates is perfect. Why would you want to be stuck on an old OS when new, better features are always a good thing?
You're pretty much saying that you wouldn't mind still being on Eclair or Froyo right now. I don't know about you, but I think ICS is light years ahead of both of those OS's.
Hardware obsolescence will eventually halt fragmentation on its own. Most consumers roll over their device at the end of a contract anyway, that's just 2 years or 3 in some markets. Anyone that holds on to a phone for over three years either doesn't care about bleeding edge updates, they're happy with an old device anyway, or they've extended their device's life via custom roms. In other words, If it is January 2013 and you're still on Eclair then a) you probably don't know what 'Eclair's is and b) you're not losing any sleep over being excluded from updates.
I don't see a huge problem with the android market being 'fragmented' over 2-3 versions. It's all just optics: Android haters trumpet the fragmented platform while advocates brush it off. It shouldn't halt or slow down progress, and if it does then Google risks stagnation.
Its not that Google is going too fast, its that the other manufacturers are going too slow. 1 OS release a year shouldn't be a crazy schedule.
Am I reading this right - so you think technology advances too fast and wants it to slow down because YOU can't catch up?!
OP, please tell me that you are kidding.
Edit: I'm not flaming but simply shocked by the logic and argument.
Yes please get back to work already, sorry but I don't agree with your opinion, blame the carrier's and manufacturers as well.
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Google has been releasing yearly OS updates for a while now. Why the concern all of a sudden? Also, probably not worth getting worked up over unreliable rumors.
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The problem with these "hard and fast" Android updates is that is accelerates device obsolescence. Of the hundreds of Android handsets out there, only a dozen or two actually get these new OS'.
This isn't a problem you see in iOS devices, but it's certainly an issue with android.
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The problem with these "hard and fast" Android updates is that is accelerates device obsolescence.
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Obsolescence? So which Gingerbread device can't make calls/text/access the market/use apps after ICS is released?
Just because some other devices do things faster/different doesn't make your device obsolete. And please, look up the word 'obsolete' first before tossing it around.
I think I partially understand and agree with OP's point.
It is not the yearly update that causes concerns, but it is the rate that creates so much hardware junk that counts.
For example, Apple's 3GS still can use recent iOS, at least it is upgradable, though you wont enjoy the speed or new features etc, but you still can use your old hardware with new iOS.
For Android, one year later you phone/tablet may already be "NOT ABLE TO UPGRADE TO NEW OS" , ICS, in this case.
Too many Device Spamming there. I think it is not Google's issue, it is , somewhat the Manufacturer's issue.
Because Nexus S still able to upgrade to ICS, Nexus One , sorts of (please correct me if I am wrong!)
But thanks to million android phone manufacturers, they locked down the system and make it proprietary in certain sense. and not upgradable to future OS because they don't know their current "Feature" will or will not be shoot down by Google's future updates.
Im actually coming from the Atrix which had an announcement from Motorola that ICS release would be sometime Q3 but that would depends if there is a delay or not. I decided to put myself into a contract and decided to get the Gnex since it had the latest offering of ICS. The Atrix ICS is still running on beta.
I agree that yearly updates will improve the user experience/fixes but then again we are but a small community here on XDA that are keen into rom/mod our phones. That is even if we have Devs willing to give time and effort in regards to leak updates. If ever we dont then we are sol. Im just thinking more about the general public who has no idea or would careless bout having a modified rom but are just interested in receiving the updates in a timely manner. Also, wat if ur current phone will not be included for any more OS release? the easiest way would be to purchase the latest and up to date phones.
If lets say that my collegues are getting the ICS for their SGS2 this Q2/Q3. Then JB will be released Q4/Q1 2013. The Google phones will be updated by either official or leak. Also i cant find the link but there was a stat released i few weeks ago stating that there are only 1% or 2% of phones that are currently running ICS.
Its frustrating for an average user having to sit next to a person with the latest OS release and wondering when they will get theirs.
For me, since im on ICS i dont care but when i was using my Atrix i had to settle for a mediocre beta ICS. :banghead:
@jiwengang - Thank you! Im glad someone here at least partially gets my point.
...now to get back to doin some real work.
I agree with others in that it's the hardware manufactures that are the problem, not Google.
1 year OS updates are fine. We just don't need 20 damn variations of the same phone from the same manufacture within that same year. The manufactures can't support all the different hardware configurations they are spewing out in a timely manner, so it takes ages to get updates, if you get them at all.
Dang manufactures need to focus more, stop trying to one up each other every 2 weeks. And support what they release more timely.
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Am I reading this right - so you think technology advances too fast and wants it to slow down because YOU can't catch up?!
OP, please tell me that you are kidding.
Edit: I'm not flaming but simply shocked by the logic and argument.
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Not everyone has either the same knowledge or bottomless pocket that they can sport the latest and greatest phones. I still have a friend who I recently just flashed his SE X10 with GB 2.3.5. Though SE mentioned bout an ICS upgrade sometime in the future of who knows when.
Similar to the PC industry. A gamer will build a pc gamer rig with i9/FX with crossfire/sli etc...If you look at it now, the hardware has reached its peak. You can pretty much play any games these software companies throw at you. It is now the software ie: Games, trying to play catch up and entice gamers with more 'extra' dazzling features or effects to maximize ur hardwares potential. Back then, it was the other way around
If u use a console then its a different story.
Yes, it is shocking. Not everything works as smoothly as butter like ICS.
Yearly release / change of Android OS makes really senses to me.
I don't think I can wait for 2-3 years for an update / release.
that's why I got a nexus!
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You are really losing focus as to what Jellybean actually is. All it is is an updated Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes, ICS was a huge jump from Gingerbread, because of the tablet/phone unification so there were major changes with the UI. That probably won't be the case with the next update. But if you remember the jump from froyo to gingerbread that wasn't a big deal huh? Googles cute little names cause too much confusion with consumers that don't understand software updates. 4.0.1, 4.0.2, 4.0.3...just updates.
Its official that HTC One series will get jelly bean.News is official from HTC.
Source : codenametech dot com
Did anyone think it wasn't going to happen? Here's HTC's quote:
"We know HTC fans are excited to get their hands on Google's latest version of Android. At this point in time, we can confirm that we have plans to upgrade our HTC One X, HTC One XL and HTC One S to Jelly Bean. Please stay tuned for more updates regarding device upgrades, timing and other details about HTC and Jelly Bean."
If you parse it, it says "we can confirm we have plans" and "stay tuned for more updates." Confirming an "update" vs. "plans for an update" are two different things and set different expectations. To me, that means it's not around the corner.
In related news, SamMobile, a 50%-reliable source for Samsung news said:
"The insiders of SamMobile reported that Samsung is testing Android 4.1 for the Galaxy S III and Galaxy S II. Samsung is almost ready to update their Galaxy S III devices to Android 4.1. There is no date planned yet but it could be around August / September."
Neither HTC nor Samsung will want their flagships updated last so sometime in the fall for the One X and SGS3 seems realistic. With a JB release being at least a couple of months away the 2.X update to 4.0.4 should occur as planned. The One S received it three days ago.
its a great news altogether.I think with all the devices that they came up with in 2012 all should be upgraded to Jelly bean.
Not the v apparently.
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Not the v apparently.
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There's a term called "planned obsolescence." It's pretty much designing products so that they'll never be equal to the "new and improved" product causing people to always want and hopefully purchase the "next big thing." Google wants the manufacturers to keep their devices current so that at any given time the majority are on latest and greatest Android OS. The manufacturers want the opposite; people buying-up to a new device to get the new bells and whistles. With ICS out for ten months and only 10% of devices on it I'd say the manufacturers are winning. Does anyone really think it takes companies like Samsung and HTC nine months to develop an update? Dragging their feet is intentional and there's nothing we or Google can do about it.
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There's a term called "planned obsolescence." It's pretty much designing products so that they'll never be equal to the "new and improved" product causing people to always want and hopefully purchase the "next big thing." Google wants the manufacturers to keep their devices current so that at any given time the majority are on latest and greatest Android OS. The manufacturers want the opposite; people buying-up to a new device to get the new bells and whistles. With ICS out for ten months and only 10% of devices on it I'd say the manufacturers are winning. Does anyone really think it takes companies like Samsung and HTC nine months to develop an update? Dragging their feet is intentional and there's nothing we or Google can do about it.
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Yes but for this question of "planned obsolescence" We need S-OFF in all phones........quickly
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Yes but for this question of "planned obsolescence" We need S-OFF in all phones........quickly
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For all we know locking their phones and eliminating the warranty for unlocked devices could be HTC's way of preventing or scaring people from getting the "latest and greatest" on their own and therefore having to purchase the Two X, Three X, and so on. In other words, a form of planned obsolescence. Manufacturers aren't as stupid as a lot of people believe they are. We don't like them for what they do but their well aware of why they do it and what the benefit is financially.
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There's a term called "planned obsolescence." It's pretty much designing products so that they'll never be equal to the "new and improved" product causing people to always want and hopefully purchase the "next big thing." Google wants the manufacturers to keep their devices current so that at any given time the majority are on latest and greatest Android OS. The manufacturers want the opposite; people buying-up to a new device to get the new bells and whistles. With ICS out for ten months and only 10% of devices on it I'd say the manufacturers are winning. Does anyone really think it takes companies like Samsung and HTC nine months to develop an update? Dragging their feet is intentional and there's nothing we or Google can do about it.
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HTC has been the fastest to produce updates on their flagships to the latest os. And it is hardly a quick process to integrate their sense into the oses.
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There's a term called "planned obsolescence." It's pretty much designing products so that they'll never be equal to the "new and improved" product causing people to always want and hopefully purchase the "next big thing." Google wants the manufacturers to keep their devices current so that at any given time the majority are on latest and greatest Android OS. The manufacturers want the opposite; people buying-up to a new device to get the new bells and whistles. With ICS out for ten months and only 10% of devices on it I'd say the manufacturers are winning. Does anyone really think it takes companies like Samsung and HTC nine months to develop an update? Dragging their feet is intentional and there's nothing we or Google can do about it.
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There is also something like the competition and when caring consumers see that the competitor does give them updates they will buy from the competitor next time
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There is also something like the competition and when caring consumers see that the competitor does give them updates they will buy from the competitor next time
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Who would that be? They all suck with some sucking worse than others. Samsung is just now starting to update their tablets to ICS. Do you think it's a coincidence that started to happen only after the G-Tab 2's have been on the market for a few months? There's zero incentive for a manufacturer to devote resources to keeping their phones updated. If Samsung started to HTC would also. But there's no motive for anyone to change what they're currently doing. Why do you think Google built their own tablet? With all their influence over the manufacturers they couldn’t get them off their asses to pay attention to a market segment Android was getting the crap kicked out of it in. If Google through Motorola starts setting new precedents others will follow. Until then the dysfunction continues.
I tired of waiting for HTC to do what is right, just give me S-Off and CM10
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Misleading title ... There is already a thread about this sticky...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1740569
Dear Xiaomi,
I'm sure there are a lot of buyers (like me) of your latest flagship phone Xiaomi Mi5s who bought this phone hoping that you will release the source code very soon after its market introduction and thus make use of numerous custom firmware out there.
Hence our humble request: Please release the kernel source code for Xiaomi Mi5s asap.
Thanks
Edit 1 (27.04.2017):
After 7 months of waiting, the kernel source code for Xiaomi Mi5s has been released. Finally!
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/scorpio-m-oss
See also the MIUI Xiaomi Mi5s Forum.
http://en.miui.com/thread-407935-1-1.html
best regards
This post does not belong in this section.
Also I doubt anyone from Xiaomi would read this post.
Even if they did, they already know we on XDA would like the source code released - the same as every other phone released!
Answer from the supermoderator of en.miui.com:
"hi dear all
please be patience.
when it is release, word will spread.
however, no exact date is known at this point of time, SO
please please stay tuned in forum for more news & announcements.
cheers"
luiseteyo said:
Answer from the supermoderator of en.miui.com:
"hi dear all
please be patience.
when it is release, word will spread.
however, no exact date is known at this point of time, SO
please please stay tuned in forum for more news & announcements.
cheers"
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I saw that comment, what an informing notice lol. Miui forums community is cancer imo, no info at all. Polls everywhere.
"when it is release, word will spread." Oh god thank you! I'll not fall for the price next time i buy a phone.
atakanadil said:
I saw that comment, what an informing notice lol. Miui forums community is cancer imo, no info at all. Polls everywhere.
"when it is release, word will spread." Oh god thank you! I'll not fall for the price next time i buy a phone.
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And I suggest you not to read that forums comment section. They post something and there is only thank you and praise for the OP. Fair to say it's cancerous
Need to start getting to the governments of countries involved to block importing/sale of ANY products that use GPL based software that they dont release source code for that the license says they must. I guess unfortunately enforcing GPL doesnt have the backing of multi billion dollar movie studios like pirating one movie might bring...
Basically their stealing other peoples work and making a profit by selling it without following the law of releasing their modifications of the source.
If the product is sold then source must be available otherwise the law is being broken, stop them selling their products outside of China and then they might give a toss about releasing kernel source, their stealing the work of thousands of developers and not abiding by the license that the source was released under.
Looks like Mi5S support will be abandoned shortly as their releasing the Mi6, looks like we got a lemon of a phone, time to chuck all Mi5S's into the kitchen grinder and destroy them
droiduser said:
Looks like Mi5S support will be abandoned shortly as their releasing the Mi6, looks like we got a lemon of a phone, time to chuck all Mi5S's into the kitchen grinder and destroy them
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Stop crying. Mi 5s forum moderator said that in beta a big amount of changes for Mi 5s.
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Stop crying. Mi 5s forum moderator said that in beta a big amount of changes for Mi 5s.
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Well, if they can not handle it like Oneplus did it months ago, they could release sources to let us do better than they can.
Please don't protect xiaomi developers. Their updates are a joke, at least when hardware bugs still subsist like fingerprint scanner. It's funny to see that an XDA developer fixed it with LineageOS even without source code. They are amateurs on their jobs, that is guaranteed. They don't understand that an hardware is as good as it's software permits.
It's also important to note that they released nougat not only for ancient devices but also for more recent devices than mi 5s which is an insult. In fact i believe nougat comes to mi6 sooner than mi 5s, releasing mi6 with MM is ridiculous anyway.
With mi6 they change this device to the past, with software from the past and without kernel sources, future proof hardware bugs.
So yes, even if they release sources or Nougat tomorrow i would be still disappointed. It's my right to feel as so and to share it in a proper manner.
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Well, if they can not handle it like Oneplus did it months ago, they could release sources to let us do better than they can.
Please don't protect xiaomi developers. Their updates are a joke, at least when hardware bugs still subsist like fingerprint scanner. It's funny to see that an XDA developer fixed it with LineageOS even without source code. They are amateurs on their jobs, that is guaranteed. They don't understand that an hardware is as good as it's software permits.
It's also important to note that they released nougat not only for ancient devices but also for more recent devices than mi 5s which is an insult. In fact i believe nougat comes to mi6 sooner than mi 5s, releasing mi6 with MM is ridiculous anyway.
With mi6 they change this device to the past, with software from the past and without kernel sources, future proof hardware bugs.
So yes, even if they release sources or Nougat tomorrow i would be still disappointed. It's my right to feel as so and to share it in a proper manner.
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I am disappointed too. But every day I see at least one man who say that "Xiaomi tricked us, no support for global, this phone is ****, throw it away". I don't see posts like this on 4pda, but usually russian community raging first.
I don't feel tricked, because i expected Xiaomi dominant position. But a dominant position makes sense when there is no problem whatsoever, or they managed to rapidly correct problems, or when a software is proprietary. None of this happened. They don't fix it and don't let us try to do better. This model suffer from hardware inconsistency with some camera and screen manufacture, this should be sufficient to provide some after sale care at least at software domain. I still wait for the best, but what i could assure at this time is that i regret this acquisition against Oneplus 3T. I question myself if they acknowledge that Oneplus is their natural competitors and that they are gaining the game with simple actions. First CPU with normal clock (170k vs 152k max at antutu), then battery friendly oled, then a working fingerprint scanner without battery drain, consistent hardware sources against multisourced modules, open source since day one, frequent usefull updates, and fast upgrade to last Android. For me is night and day. Say nothing isn't an option because i would not protect my product, neither potential buyers, or Xiaomi option to make things right.
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I don't feel tricked, because i expected Xiaomi dominant position. But a dominant position makes sense when there is no problem whatsoever, or they managed to rapidly correct problems, or when a software is proprietary. None of this happened. They don't fix it and don't let us try to do better. This model suffer from hardware inconsistency with some camera and screen manufacture, this should be sufficient to provide some after sale care at least at software domain. I still wait for the best, but what i could assure at this time is that i regret this acquisition against Oneplus 3T. I question myself if they acknowledge that Oneplus is their natural competitors and that they are gaining the game with simple actions. First CPU with normal clock (170k vs 152k max at antutu), then battery friendly oled, then a working fingerprint scanner without battery drain, consistent hardware sources against multisourced modules, open source since day one, frequent usefull updates, and fast upgrade to last Android. For me is night and day. Say nothing isn't an option because i would not protect my product, neither potential buyers, or Xiaomi option to make things right.
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I agree with you for the most part, but not for comparing Xiaomi's Mi5s with Oneplus 3T. I paid less than $300 for my Mi5s 4/32, Oneplus 3T costs at least $420. I don't say it doesn't worth the money, I'm sure it does (OLED, 6gb RAM, etc...), I'm just saying it's not the same price range...
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I agree with you for the most part, but not for comparing Xiaomi's Mi5s with Oneplus 3T. I paid less than $300 for my Mi5s 4/32, Oneplus 3T costs at least $420. I don't say it doesn't worth the money, I'm sure it does (OLED, 6gb RAM, etc...), I'm just saying it's not the same price range...
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If Mi 5s had 6GB ram, Gorilla Glass 4 and OLED etc... It'll will cost as much as 3T
Let's not split hairs,let us all just hope Xiaomi releases the kernel sources for Mi5s along with Mi6 or by the end of April.
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I agree with you for the most part, but not for comparing Xiaomi's Mi5s with Oneplus 3T. I paid less than $300 for my Mi5s 4/32, Oneplus 3T costs at least $420. I don't say it doesn't worth the money, I'm sure it does (OLED, 6gb RAM, etc...), I'm just saying it's not the same price range...
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Also in that case a more fair comparison would be between Oneplus 3T and Mi5s 4/128 that cost me 379€.
Since the mi6 was released today...should we expect to receive access to the kernel's source code today? Any news in this regard?
We need official nougat global dev rom ASAP.
I guess at this point it may be a good idea to write to http://gpl-violations.org for an advice and help
Xiaomi already know you want the source code - it is the same with EVERY other phone! They will release it when they are ready to.
Making complaints on this non-Xiaomi forum / starting petitions will not make any difference. They will not read them.
Why Motorola is not responding to the Moto G5 Plus Update?
Not even updated their update history page with Moto G5 Plus!
Poor quality mobiles Xiaomi is also giving MIUI 9.5 after just 3 or 4 months, what's up with Motorola
amarz1981 said:
Poor quality mobiles Xiaomi is also giving MIUI 9.5 after just 3 or 4 months, what's up with Motorola
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in america, we make sure phones stay within certain spec so the dont cause cancer and polute air traffic with noise. said certifications take time to tes, because it takes more then a month or two to finish. it impresses me how fast they do it, too, seeing as the cancer would take years of normal use to surface. sorry our government cares about us too slowly for you.
i don't think we moto g5+ users wilp get oreo update. We should stop thinking about this. and Should Think of buying new phones with better specs.
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Why Motorola is not responding to the Moto G5 Plus Update?
Not even updated their update history page with Moto G5 Plus!
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Moto Updated update history....now moto g5 plus receive june security patch...not oreoo
https://support.motorola.com/us/en/Solution/MS130095
Can't moderators just delete useless threads? it will be easier and the discussion would be over.
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Ogre6473 said:
First, don't be rude. That will get you nowhere.
Second, Motorola doesn't have to update a damn thing. They can't be sued for not updating just because at one point they said they were considering it. They also never said when. They could keep cranking out phones and in two years claim that they're still looking into it.
Considering they can't even fix their headphone jack issue, I doubt we'll get Oreo.
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they can be sued, they never said they were considering the update, it is in the CONFIRMED list to be updated..
(just saying, i'm not in favor of any attack to the comñany, just clarifying things)
Ogre6473 said:
First, don't be rude. That will get you nowhere.
Second, Motorola doesn't have to update a damn thing. They can't be sued for not updating just because at one point they said they were considering it. They also never said when. They could keep cranking out phones and in two years claim that they're still looking into it.
Considering they can't even fix their headphone jack issue, I doubt we'll get Oreo.
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You can be sued for false advertising
They can't be sued for not doing the update because it's not false advertising, nor are they under any contractual obligations
An advertisement is used to sell a product or service. Companies change their mind on updates and upgrades all the time. It's not illegal because the product wasn't sold with the promise of that upgrade.
Example: Every time there's a game developers conference, or CES or E3 there's promises of various kinds made by Sony and Microsoft, trailers for epic looking games etc. They even have working demos, yet many never see the light of day. How many times have they or the developers been sued for not releasing a planned product? Zero.
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They can't be sued for not doing the update because it's not false advertising, nor are they under any contractual obligations
An advertisement is used to sell a product or service. Companies change their mind on updates and upgrades all the time. It's not illegal because the product wasn't sold with the promise of that upgrade.
Example: Every time there's a game developers conference, or CES or E3 there's promises of various kinds made by Sony and Microsoft, trailers for epic looking games etc. They even have working demos, yet many never see the light of day. How many times have they or the developers been sued for not releasing a planned product? Zero.
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The product was sold with the promise of the software upgrade, as Motorola has stated multiple times that the g family has a policy for one major upgrade. Your example doesn't make much sense, game developers don't sell the game saying it will have a feature and then not include it. You obviously can't sue for them not releasing a planned product, unless you pre-order it and never receive a refund.
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Serious question, and not one to knock any developer or anyone else, and I am not complaining... But why don't we have more custom ROM's for this device?
I have owned lots of Nexus/Pixel devices in the past, and within a few months of release there were dozens of ROM's available for the device, but for this device there is a couple kernels and a few unofficial or "build it yourself" ROM's and that is it. It just seems very odd that a device so open by design and sold extremely well doesn't have more options. Why?
I admit I haven't had much involvement in the custom ROM community in a few years, and I haven't really felt a need to use a custom ROM in some time as I have been using Moto, Nokia, Nexus, and Pixel devices for the most part for years and just a few tweaks here and there are good enough, but I went to look into other possibilities with my Pixel 3a XL recently and found there just isn't much of anything.
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Serious question, and not one to knock any developer or anyone else, and I am not complaining... But why don't we have more custom ROM's for this device?
I have owned lots of Nexus/Pixel devices in the past, and within a few months of release there were dozens of ROM's available for the device, but for this device there is a couple kernels and a few unofficial or "build it yourself" ROM's and that is it. It just seems very odd that a device so open by design and sold extremely well doesn't have more options. Why?
I admit I haven't had much involvement in the custom ROM community in a few years, and I haven't really felt a need to use a custom ROM in some time as I have been using Moto, Nokia, Nexus, and Pixel devices for the most part for years and just a few tweaks here and there are good enough, but I went to look into other possibilities with my Pixel 3a XL recently and found there just isn't much of anything.
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I think your statement of "I haven't really felt the need to use a custom Rom..." is very telling. We also get monthly updates without jumping through hoops and we have feature sets we all like. Also Google Pay is being used more and more and you need to unlock the bootloader which breaks GP. I mean you can do kernel mods to enable it but it's just not worth it. What would you like that you don't currently have? I can name a few things like modifying location of the clock, changing vibration, things like that. But is it worth not having security updates or hoping the rom dev will update the rom? And then asking for an ETA and getting hammered by users for asking. It's just not worth it and devs have moved on to other money making ventures. Begging for donations doesn't pay the rent.
Bottom line, it's not worth it for rom devs and thus we have just a few. Flashing is not as easy as it used to be with dual slots. I remember just flashing each file and vendor and done. Bootloop, no prob just reflash the image. Not anymore. Now it's "omg your rom bricked my phone". Last thing.. we all have things to do now whereas we were young and stupid years back. Just give me a nice display, good battery, some options, and I'm good. Just some random thoughs.. agree or disagree but simply observations on my part.
There are ROMs not listed on xda available but you have to search them out. But even on that end it's in the range of 3-4 bonito ROMs that I can think of.
I'm guessing we'll see more builds sooner rather than later since 10 just got officially released earlier in the month(plus TWRP isn't available for 10 yet - not that that would stop fastboot flashable ROMs from being built). Also the upcoming release of the pixel 4 should drop prices on the 3aXl which means more people will pick up this device and more ROMs will(most likely) be built. *That's my theory at least...I've seen other devices' development happen that way in the past so that's where I'm coming from.
I also think a combination of factors has slowed development in general across the board: less people buy new phones as often now(our phone is less than 6 months old), and stock android has gotten to the point that just rooting and minor tweaking is good enough for a lot of people. Not me personally - I always use custom ROMs - but for some others all they need is slightly tweaked stock, some theme-ing ability, and a few root apps like adaway or root browser to stay happy.
But anyway, big thanks to those who are building for our device. Y'all have skills that I do not have - which are much appreciated by me & many others.
And that was kind of what I thought... The custom ROM scene, particularly on Google devices is just shrinking. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
Time will tell as this community moves into 10 development, but I'm guessing things will pick up a bit. Hang in there:good:
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There are ROMs not listed on xda available but you have to search them out. But even on that end it's in the range of 3-4 bonito ROMs that I can think of..
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For Android 10? Ive seen zero. 10 is very different than Pie and Bonito has a bunch of uniqueness as well. Building 10 for it is no small task and may take a while before you see 10 Roms for it. Even the handful of Rom devs (or teams) that have 10 builds dont have Bonito.
This is very similar to when Shamu came out. It took 2-3 months before custom Roms were working as there were so many changes from Hammerhead and Marshmallow was a very different build vs KitKat. There were also very unique challenges when Marlin came out for the same reasons. I hope to have Velocity up and running in the next few weeks but I wouldnt hold my breath on it as this has been one of the most challenging updates Ive come across and Ive been building Roms for Nexus/Pixel devices since JellyBean.
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For Android 10? Ive seen zero. 10 is very different than Pie and Bonito has a bunch of uniqueness as well. Building 10 for it is no small task and may take a while before you see 10 Roms for it. Even the handful of Rom devs (or teams) that have 10 builds dont have Bonito.
This is very similar to when Shamu came out. It took 2-3 months before custom Roms were working as there were so many changes from Hammerhead and Marshmallow was a very different build vs KitKat. There were also very unique challenges when Marlin came out for the same reasons. I hope to have Velocity up and running in the next few weeks but I wouldnt hold my breath on it as this has been one of the most challenging updates Ive come across and Ive been building Roms for Nexus/Pixel devices since JellyBean.
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Oh, not for 10. I was referring to pie. I'm pretty sure some of those pie ROMs slowed development down in anticipation for 10, so it's just a slow time right now.
It's cool... I understand a lot of work goes into building, so when/if they come - they come.
One question - does the a/b partitioning and lack of recovery partition make building harder or easier? (This is my first a/b device...just wondering.)
*And thanks for your hard work; I've been lurking on your kernel thread and see how much you've been refining it. Looking forward to your ROM whenever it drops. :good:
Never owned or dev'd for an a/b device except Marlin (Pixel 1) and that was pretty different from this I believe. Lack of recovery only affects how we flash it. The biggest issue right now is getting all the needed vendor/device stuff for it to boot and run right. No idea why this is never fully included with AOSP + posted binaries but it isnt.
The kernel (as always) is much simpler than a full Rom. Im still trying to get my head fully around the nuances for building a Rom for this. Rest assured they will come. Im definitely going to be spending more time on that side now.
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The custom ROM scene, particularly on Google devices is just shrinking.
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Most people that bought the Pixels had little need for a custom Rom. This will change I think with the lower cost of the "a" line. So many people jumped off the Google phone train when the Nexus died and the cost was simply higher than they/I/we wanted to spend for a phone. The "a" line is a lot of what the Nexus line was so I would guess this will bring many back, though OP has done a good job taking and keeping most of them.
Not sure I would agree with that.
The elephant in the room is the activity across this entire forum section; there are few people here compared to another Pixel like the vanilla 3XL, massively less than you'll find over on the OnePlus sections. They're giving the A series credit for Goog seeing an 88% increase in Pixel sales this year but those sales do not appear to be to people like us that frequent this place, if they were, they would be here. I think at least for now this phone sold to ordinary folk, people who have never looked at their phones and wondered if they're truly bricked or just soft-bricked. Can't honestly say I know I'm right here but a look at the activity and available goodies over in OnePlus land is certainly compelling. Less money and bigger numbers along with an unlocked bootloader have attracted plenty of enthusiasts and along with them, development.
The regular 3 has been out a lot longer and development is mature. I also cant say Im definitively right either of course and I 100% agree OP has taken most of the low budget enthusiasts over to their side, especially outside the US.
Either way, it makes no nevermind to me. I will always build for the device I own and choose the device I own very carefully. There will be at least Velocity for the 3a XL its just a matter of how long it takes to get it up and running.
And yes, the lack of activity in this forum is almost shocking to me but last I was here with any regularity was in the Nexus 4/Nexus 5 days which was the wild west of Android development.
Let's not forget to mention the constant free advertising xda does for oneplus as well; that definitely helps their cause.
*And I'll admit it - I fell for it myself: bought a oneplus 7 pro, found that I hate curved displays, and returned it the next day - but the hype on xda fooled me for sure. The 7t pro looks nice, but I'm good - I'm hanging in with my bonito and seeing where things go.
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Not sure I would agree with that.
The elephant in the room is the activity across this entire forum section; there are few people here compared to another Pixel like the vanilla 3XL, massively less than you'll find over on the OnePlus sections. They're giving the A series credit for Goog seeing an 88% increase in Pixel sales this year but those sales do not appear to be to people like us that frequent this place, if they were, they would be here. I think at least for now this phone sold to ordinary folk, people who have never looked at their phones and wondered if they're truly bricked or just soft-bricked. Can't honestly say I know I'm right here but a look at the activity and available goodies over in OnePlus land is certainly compelling. Less money and bigger numbers along with an unlocked bootloader have attracted plenty of enthusiasts and along with them, development.
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Hahaha. "vanilla 3XL" far superior to any 3a. I will go with small a
It doesn't surprise me because I, too, am finding myself comfortable with stock and avoiding all the inconveniences (mainly the merry-go-round of breaking things that check for root)... the only thing I really miss is being able to block ads and titanium backup. But it just isn't bothering me enough to care...
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Hahaha. "vanilla 3XL" far superior to any 3a. I will go with small a
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I owned the 3XL and didn't find it far superior. In fact I took it back and got a 6T while I waited for the next thing. Mainly it was the notch, and redraws in the GUI. In any event I only meant to refer to the regular 3XL or by extension any Pixel.
I guess if I paid @$300-400usd more for a device that has a smaller battery, with the same camera hardware(rear - don't care about the selfie cam), no headphone jack, and had a hideous notch so the OEM can claim "small bezels" - I may also be bitter & lurking in other devices' threads & talking smack(so I could feel better about my purchase...?)
Enjoy your 3xl and your notch... I guess. Congrats. :good:
Anytime you want to contribute to the 3axl community you are totally welcome to. No bitterness here. Otherwise...please go back to your "far superior" 3xl land please. We are not good enough for you here.
Take care.
*Bows down to the "far superior" 3xl owner*:angel:
I'm not going to claim expertise when I say this but I can call out plenty of experience on XDA over the course of many phones: I would not expect this forum section to be getting more active in the future. I'm not saying a ROM wont come but there was never much activity here at any time, it is quite slow now, it continues to get slower. Everything I've seen over my time here tells me that trend will continue. I'm honestly surprised about that because I had thought when I purchased this phone that this section would be moderately active. I was wrong. I don't like saying that and wish it wasn't true but that's how I see it.
I'll be off toward 4XL land soon; I have all the coffee tables a man needs in one life and I like my toys.
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I'm not going to claim expertise when I say this but I can call out plenty of experience on XDA over the course of many phones: I would not expect this forum section to be getting more active in the future. I'm not saying a ROM wont come but there was never much activity here at any time, it is quite slow now, it continues to get slower. Everything I've seen over my time here tells me that trend will continue. I'm honestly surprised about that because I had thought when I purchased this phone that this section would be moderately active. I was wrong. I don't like saying that and wish it wasn't true but that's how I see it.
I'll be off toward 4XL land soon; I have all the coffee tables a man needs in one life and I like my toys.
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You mean bezzels right not coffee tables. Hahaha
acejavelin said:
Serious question, and not one to knock any developer or anyone else, and I am not complaining... But why don't we have more custom ROM's for this device?
I have owned lots of Nexus/Pixel devices in the past, and within a few months of release there were dozens of ROM's available for the device, but for this device there is a couple kernels and a few unofficial or "build it yourself" ROM's and that is it. It just seems very odd that a device so open by design and sold extremely well doesn't have more options. Why?
I admit I haven't had much involvement in the custom ROM community in a few years, and I haven't really felt a need to use a custom ROM in some time as I have been using Moto, Nokia, Nexus, and Pixel devices for the most part for years and just a few tweaks here and there are good enough, but I went to look into other possibilities with my Pixel 3a XL recently and found there just isn't much of anything.
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Well, I personally have stopped using custom ROMs after switching to a Pixel. Before this, I always was eager to install AOSP-based ROMs on my previous devices (Samsung and LG).
But especially LG is a disappointment software-wise: My LG G5 had a very good battery runtime with the initial ROM, but future updates killed this. Not to speak of non-existing updates and even security patches. My Samsungs were just awful from the start, they were immediately in dire need of AOSP.
On top, updating vendor images always was a PITA.. On my G5, I always had to do a clean flash, get rid of the bloat, flash the GApps etc.
But the Pixels are different. They also can have a bug here and there, but nothing severe. Battery runtime stays good with updates, and security patches always are on time. Updates are easy even when you are rooted.
Hence I just rooted my Pixel 3a XL and called it a day. Since Android 10 with its dark mode, I can even skip Substratum. YMMV of course, but this is how I see it.
I only root for system-wide adblock and HEBF Optimizer. Everything else is stock.
Custom Roms arent all (or even mostly) about features. There is so much more performance (and efficiency) to be had by building vs stock. Development will break loose soon enough. And when it does, then we will see what this device is truly capable of.