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First CTIA announcement was delayed, then later an announcement without carriers or release dates. Two weeks later and till no US carrier release information. Seems odd considering the other recent "super phone" announcements came with carrier information, release dates, and pricing. Also the usual parties have not received production review units which I'd expect by now.
Even announcing puts the brakes on product purchases of competing models. Look how many people withheld purchases of smart phones the entire quarter prior to an expected iPhone release. Why announce and hold if reducing product competition was the goal?
The only thing I can think of is to steal some of Apple's iOS 5 thunder. Show that Google's Android 4.0 is moving forward too even if it's not really ready.
What do you think?
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First CTIA announcement was delayed, then later an announcement without carriers or release dates. Two weeks later and till no US carrier release information. Seems odd considering the other recent "super phone" announcements came with carrier information, release dates, and pricing. Also the usual parties have not received production review units which I'd expect by now.
Even announcing puts the brakes on product purchases of competing models. Look how many people withheld purchases of smart phones the entire quarter prior to an expected iPhone release. Why announce and hold if reducing product competition was the goal?
The only thing I can think of is to steal some of Apple's iOS 5 thunder. Show that Google's Android 4.0 is moving forward too even if it's not really ready.
What do you think?
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Even I felt it was odd that there is no official US release announcement yet. I just hope the unlocked GSM model gets released this month. I don't mind paying the full price.
I have to admit I would not have been this anxious if I did not loose my Nexus One . It's hard to survive with a 5 year old phone.
vzontini said:
First CTIA announcement was delayed, then later an announcement without carriers or release dates. Two weeks later and till no US carrier release information. Seems odd considering the other recent "super phone" announcements came with carrier information, release dates, and pricing. Also the usual parties have not received production review units which I'd expect by now.
Even announcing puts the brakes on product purchases of competing models. Look how many people withheld purchases of smart phones the entire quarter prior to an expected iPhone release. Why announce and hold if reducing product competition was the goal?
The only thing I can think of is to steal some of Apple's iOS 5 thunder. Show that Google's Android 4.0 is moving forward too even if it's not really ready.
What do you think?
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Well, Verizon did say we're getting the Galaxy Nexus "later this year"... But that's about the only US release information to date.
US carriers just released the old galaxy S II. They want to actually sell some and not have everyone wait 45 days for the newer / better device.
I think its slightly unnerving that theres quite a bit of silence from Google when they've already announced a date for Europe.
I think its because they're trying to work with carriers this time. Whereas with the Nexus S they clearly didn't try that hard. Part of that is pretty much requiring that they get VZW (thats why they made the LTE version), and the other part is trying to push it to more carriers too.
We'll see. I'm not "worried" about it, just curious.
If by next week we still don't have the LTE version labels released by the FCC, then something is curious.
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US carriers just released the old galaxy S II. They want to actually sell some and not have everyone wait 45 days for the newer / better device.
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If that is the reason then why announce in the first place. By announcing they are in fact causing a lot of people to wait and not buy the Galaxy S2, myself included.
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US carriers just released the old galaxy S II. They want to actually sell some and not have everyone wait 45 days for the newer / better device.
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Normal people don't do this. Only nerds do. You're way off base if you think any normal person knows what a "Nexus" phone is, or cares enough to hold off buying a new phone when they're ready to make a purchase.
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I think its slightly unnerving that theres quite a bit of silence from Google when they've already announced a date for Europe.
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You're not alone mate. Here in Europe we have a date but what does it mean? Is it just for the 16 GB version? If yes when does the 32GB arrive? Not a single shop here has a confirmed date when it is in store so we're in the same situation. We can just wait and search the web for infos.
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Nebucatnetzer said:
You're not alone mate. Here in Europe we have a date but what does it mean? Is it just for the 16 GB version? If yes when does the 32GB arrive? Not a single shop here has a confirmed date when it is in store so we're in the same situation. We can just wait and search the web for infos.
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Indeed. I'm constantly looking for information about the 32 GB version as I really need the space and I find it frustrating that there is no information about it. I even asked Samsung Sweden about it and they have yet to reply. They did reply to my other questions I asked them earlier about the GN but not this.
It's pathetic. Google and Samsung screwed up a chance to take the spotlight from 4s.
Carriers ***** slapped both if them and they complied.
Nothing short of bad management to have ZERO information or street dates this far after announcement. The *few weeks* bull**** stopped being believable after gingerbread.
Agreed. I'm not going to reopen any old wounds, because they might be egocentric as another member or two posted, but this is not how you do it.
I just keep looking at that original Nexus One launch and hang my head. If those people involved could only see to now? Dear god they'd be ashamed, I would think.
The more frustrating thing is Google really is so big, the only other people that can bull them into releasing info are more corrupt and more interest centric than Google itself. The actual people that will use the device day in and out, I feel there is no one to speak for our interests.
It would be nice if we could twitter Rubin himself: A number of users, with a simple message: You should be ashamed of the GN launch. #Nexus Fail
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Agreed. I'm not going to reopen any old wounds, because they might be egocentric as another member or two posted, but this is not how you do it.
I just keep looking at that original Nexus One launch and hang my head. If those people involved could only see to now? Dear god they'd be ashamed, I would think.
The more frustrating thing is Google really is so big, the only other people that can bull them into releasing info are more corrupt and more interest centric than Google itself. The actual people that will use the device day in and out, I feel there is no one to speak for our interests.
It would be nice if we could twitter Rubin himself: A number of users, with a simple message: You should be ashamed of the GN launch. #Nexus Fail
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I wouldn't be so harsh but I ordered my device and so I would like to know where it is and when I can receive it.
The only thing which probably was a bit fail is the fact that they showed it to early.
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I wouldn't be so harsh but I ordered my device and so I would like to know where it is and when I can receive it.
The only thing which probably was a bit fail is the fact that they showed it to early.
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Don't forget it was meant to be announced a week or two before it actually was, so that would have been even earlier.
So far all we have had is either conflicting information, or none at all. Samsung confirmed yesterday that release in the UK would be on the 17th, and literally a matter of hours later retailers are saying this has now been pushed back to w/c 21st
They have lost quite a bit of momentum with the delays and confusion imo. My attitude has gone from "wow, I need this phone now" to "do I really need a new phone?".
I will probably still buy it though
I bet they're still wringing out bugs/issues.
The conspiracy theorist in me says there are patent issues to work out.
My guess is they will never disclose why the launch has been delayed. But I do agree, it's likely lawyers, not engineers involved in the delay.
I like to feel special. If less people have it, it makes me more special.
I had a Samsung Wave in the U-S-of-A. I felt special. Until I started hating it for being so special (Samsung store didn't work in the US).
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It's pathetic. Google and Samsung screwed up a chance to take the spotlight from 4s.
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you honestly think that the Galaxy Nexus would be able to take the spotlight from the iPhone 4S?
PM me so I know where to get the drugs you're on....
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Barkleyfan said:
My guess is they will never disclose why the launch has been delayed. But I do agree, it's likely lawyers, not engineers involved in the delay.
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There's probably a lot of numbers talk going on between Google and the carriers in the USA atm.
Don't know, might be Samsung not Google. Maybe one reason they bought Motorola I bet the next Nexus will be Motorola's
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Im here at work and got me thinking bout the rumoured news bout Google releasing the JB 5.0 sometime this fall or workingnto release Q1 2013. News from AndroidPolice...too lazy to link it.
Im just thinking that these updates are happening way to fast. Some phones are yet to receive their ICS and yet JB is just around the corner. Also, new phones with quad will be released early/late spring..? with ICS and for some they will have to wait for another good amount of time for JB. We know that Samsung etc are never on the dot when releasing updates.
I kinda miss the days of Windows OS when they actually make you wait 2/3yrs for a new OS release. Just kinda makes it worthwhile.
All im saying is, that Google should wait until the supported phones have been updated to ICS and give them time to enjoy it. For others they will have to spend an extra money to buy the latest phone with ICS. Not really fair.
Ok im goin back to working...lol...sorta
Until we start seeing apps that don't work on somewhat new OS's I don't see it as a problem. For the most part, apps being put out now are still compatible with Froyo so why should people on Froyo care? Yes it sucks to get a new phone and not have the newest OS but what do you expect Google to do? With apple releasing yearly releases as well they need to keep up.
Google has been releasing yearly OS updates for a while now. Why the concern all of a sudden? Also, probably not worth getting worked up over unreliable rumors.
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I think one release a year is fair. With all thats evolving in the mobile landscape, an update interval any more than that will risk falling behind the competition.
A yearly update is not just to change things around for the heck of it, but to aim to improve the user experience. If the Android team has good work ready to be released, I don't see why they should hold it back because manufacturers can't get their act together. This is why we have the Nexus phones.
I completely disagree. Google's yearly release cycle means that they are always working on making Android better. Since a new major OS release comes every year, I am guaranteed to have a modern phone with a modern OS every year if I continue buying Nexii.
In my opinion it is certainly a good thing.
I dont agree with this. Wait 2-3 years for new features and fixes while other OS's (iOS and Windows Mobile) continue to have yearly updates? No thank you.
For the majority of people, whatever current Android they are on is more than enough for them. If you want to stay on the bleeding edge, you get a Nexus device.
JB probably will not be as big as an upgrade as it was from GB to Honeycomb or ICS.
How is Fall of 2012 or Q1 of 2013 too fast? It's not even spring yet. ICS was announced and released in November, I think. That is a full year, at least, in between OS changes. I think that 1 year in between OS updates is perfect. Why would you want to be stuck on an old OS when new, better features are always a good thing?
You're pretty much saying that you wouldn't mind still being on Eclair or Froyo right now. I don't know about you, but I think ICS is light years ahead of both of those OS's.
Hardware obsolescence will eventually halt fragmentation on its own. Most consumers roll over their device at the end of a contract anyway, that's just 2 years or 3 in some markets. Anyone that holds on to a phone for over three years either doesn't care about bleeding edge updates, they're happy with an old device anyway, or they've extended their device's life via custom roms. In other words, If it is January 2013 and you're still on Eclair then a) you probably don't know what 'Eclair's is and b) you're not losing any sleep over being excluded from updates.
I don't see a huge problem with the android market being 'fragmented' over 2-3 versions. It's all just optics: Android haters trumpet the fragmented platform while advocates brush it off. It shouldn't halt or slow down progress, and if it does then Google risks stagnation.
Its not that Google is going too fast, its that the other manufacturers are going too slow. 1 OS release a year shouldn't be a crazy schedule.
Am I reading this right - so you think technology advances too fast and wants it to slow down because YOU can't catch up?!
OP, please tell me that you are kidding.
Edit: I'm not flaming but simply shocked by the logic and argument.
Yes please get back to work already, sorry but I don't agree with your opinion, blame the carrier's and manufacturers as well.
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Google has been releasing yearly OS updates for a while now. Why the concern all of a sudden? Also, probably not worth getting worked up over unreliable rumors.
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The problem with these "hard and fast" Android updates is that is accelerates device obsolescence. Of the hundreds of Android handsets out there, only a dozen or two actually get these new OS'.
This isn't a problem you see in iOS devices, but it's certainly an issue with android.
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The problem with these "hard and fast" Android updates is that is accelerates device obsolescence.
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Obsolescence? So which Gingerbread device can't make calls/text/access the market/use apps after ICS is released?
Just because some other devices do things faster/different doesn't make your device obsolete. And please, look up the word 'obsolete' first before tossing it around.
I think I partially understand and agree with OP's point.
It is not the yearly update that causes concerns, but it is the rate that creates so much hardware junk that counts.
For example, Apple's 3GS still can use recent iOS, at least it is upgradable, though you wont enjoy the speed or new features etc, but you still can use your old hardware with new iOS.
For Android, one year later you phone/tablet may already be "NOT ABLE TO UPGRADE TO NEW OS" , ICS, in this case.
Too many Device Spamming there. I think it is not Google's issue, it is , somewhat the Manufacturer's issue.
Because Nexus S still able to upgrade to ICS, Nexus One , sorts of (please correct me if I am wrong!)
But thanks to million android phone manufacturers, they locked down the system and make it proprietary in certain sense. and not upgradable to future OS because they don't know their current "Feature" will or will not be shoot down by Google's future updates.
Im actually coming from the Atrix which had an announcement from Motorola that ICS release would be sometime Q3 but that would depends if there is a delay or not. I decided to put myself into a contract and decided to get the Gnex since it had the latest offering of ICS. The Atrix ICS is still running on beta.
I agree that yearly updates will improve the user experience/fixes but then again we are but a small community here on XDA that are keen into rom/mod our phones. That is even if we have Devs willing to give time and effort in regards to leak updates. If ever we dont then we are sol. Im just thinking more about the general public who has no idea or would careless bout having a modified rom but are just interested in receiving the updates in a timely manner. Also, wat if ur current phone will not be included for any more OS release? the easiest way would be to purchase the latest and up to date phones.
If lets say that my collegues are getting the ICS for their SGS2 this Q2/Q3. Then JB will be released Q4/Q1 2013. The Google phones will be updated by either official or leak. Also i cant find the link but there was a stat released i few weeks ago stating that there are only 1% or 2% of phones that are currently running ICS.
Its frustrating for an average user having to sit next to a person with the latest OS release and wondering when they will get theirs.
For me, since im on ICS i dont care but when i was using my Atrix i had to settle for a mediocre beta ICS. :banghead:
@jiwengang - Thank you! Im glad someone here at least partially gets my point.
...now to get back to doin some real work.
I agree with others in that it's the hardware manufactures that are the problem, not Google.
1 year OS updates are fine. We just don't need 20 damn variations of the same phone from the same manufacture within that same year. The manufactures can't support all the different hardware configurations they are spewing out in a timely manner, so it takes ages to get updates, if you get them at all.
Dang manufactures need to focus more, stop trying to one up each other every 2 weeks. And support what they release more timely.
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Am I reading this right - so you think technology advances too fast and wants it to slow down because YOU can't catch up?!
OP, please tell me that you are kidding.
Edit: I'm not flaming but simply shocked by the logic and argument.
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Not everyone has either the same knowledge or bottomless pocket that they can sport the latest and greatest phones. I still have a friend who I recently just flashed his SE X10 with GB 2.3.5. Though SE mentioned bout an ICS upgrade sometime in the future of who knows when.
Similar to the PC industry. A gamer will build a pc gamer rig with i9/FX with crossfire/sli etc...If you look at it now, the hardware has reached its peak. You can pretty much play any games these software companies throw at you. It is now the software ie: Games, trying to play catch up and entice gamers with more 'extra' dazzling features or effects to maximize ur hardwares potential. Back then, it was the other way around
If u use a console then its a different story.
Yes, it is shocking. Not everything works as smoothly as butter like ICS.
Yearly release / change of Android OS makes really senses to me.
I don't think I can wait for 2-3 years for an update / release.
that's why I got a nexus!
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You are really losing focus as to what Jellybean actually is. All it is is an updated Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes, ICS was a huge jump from Gingerbread, because of the tablet/phone unification so there were major changes with the UI. That probably won't be the case with the next update. But if you remember the jump from froyo to gingerbread that wasn't a big deal huh? Googles cute little names cause too much confusion with consumers that don't understand software updates. 4.0.1, 4.0.2, 4.0.3...just updates.
I saw one commercial around original launch time for the galaxy nexus, and honestly it pushed Google+ harder than the hardware itself. I have not seen any unlocked galaxy nexus commercials in the US. I like having the exclusive phone and all, but this seems a bit ridiculous. There is no reason the galaxy nexus couldn't have way outperformed the note in sales. I still get asked all the time when I pay with google wallet, "Is that an iPhone?". No. "Oh, is that a droid?" No! Its cute to know there are so many ignorant people out there at first. However, it tends to get irritating that google spends so much time and so many resources on ICS to make it the beautiful experience that it is and then just watches the nexus line flop hopelessly on the floor while the cumbersome touchwiz and bloated sense dominate the market.
Can someone please explain to me why Google and Samsung insist on wasting all this time and all these resources on building such a great product to only slide it into a bookshelf to collect dust as it were?
Samsung has bigger fish to fry (SGII and probably the SGIII) which due to crapware probably make more money from these phones, and Google advertises on their own sites but wouldn't make a lot of sense for them to push a phone that they probably only make little profit off of.
Enjoy the fact that you have a phone that will get JB before basically anyone else, that you have stock android, and that you have one of the greatest dev community's of all time. OF ALL TIME!
Also, go into a Verizon store, you wouldn't even think that they sold a GNexus where I live (Pittsburgh, PA), Multiple Motorola/HTC shrines while the GNexus sits right next to the Bionic in the corner of forgotten phones.
I honestly don't know and I can't tell you. There's two things Google sucks at terribly: marketing and support.
Microsoft is in a similar boat. It doesn't matter how much either company innovates, they are incapable of letting people know their products exist and they fall to the wayside.
I loved Windows Media Centre when it first came out. But version after version of it has come and gone and little features have been added. I eventually switched to XBMC. Why? Because no one knows what Windows Media Centre is. Microsoft isn't wasting time on it for the few guys with TV tuners.
Take the above example and substitute almost all Google products in there. Wave, Buzz, even Google Docs. I use it all the time and it's a great product, but people see it and have no clue it exists. For that matter I doubt they even know you can use Microsoft's web based Word with SkyDrive.
The tech companies seem to be in this funk where they compete against each other for features, but forget to inform the public that they're even offering the services they launch. It's no wonder that Apple is dominating, look at how much more they spend on campaigns. iPod ads plastered all over buildings... even seniors know the word iPod even if they don't know what it is.
All Google needs to do to take over the world is hire people from Apple's marketing team. Make something viral. The last time they had that was with the Google search engine itself and Gmail. G+ while it's nice, only boomed with the intake of new tech heads. Sign-ups died right after because no consumers know it exists and Google has failed to tell them why it's any better than Facebook.
Here in my city, the Galaxy Nexus is actually kind of popular, but that's only because Bell and Virgin put out big billboards for it's launch. I say kind of, because those billboards are gone now that the launch is over. Bet you there's still a huge iPhone 4s sign in all of those stores though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1382163
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Wow really? This isn't a phone tech question but rather a topic of discussion.
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Wow really? This isn't a phone tech question but rather a topic of discussion.
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Not a question? lmao
[Q] Why is the Galaxy Nexus the red headed stepchild?
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By the tone of your post I think you are comparing your phone to a soulless bastard ginger.
I on the other hand I compare mine to that sleek sexy read head with an attitude and a desire to get dirty.
geez, how many more of these kinds of posts are we going to see?
Here... now everyone can feel better and we can go about our day.
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It says "!!ALL QUESTIONS GO IN THE Q&A FORUM!!", that's pretty clear.
Was this same bull**** present for the Nexus S and Nexus One?
Because I didn't see much for advertisement with them either.
Not that I care-- I don't purchase or put value on my purchases by how much they are marketed or known.
That said, I don't flaunt my phone around to a bunch of looky-lous for attention either.
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Was this same bull**** present for the Nexus S and Nexus One?
Because I didn't see much for advertisement with them either.
Not that I care-- I don't purchase or put value on my purchases by how much they are marketed or known.
That said, I don't flaunt my phone around to a bunch of looky-lous for attention either.
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The Nexus One was considered a flop by the industry. I personally was fully behind Google selling fully unlocked phones. I think if they could have gotten the price a bit less inflated and marketed it properly, the Nexus line could be more than it is now. I just don't think Google is that interested in selling phones. It's about the money and that comes from the licencing they get from other manufacturers.
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The Nexus One was considered a flop by the industry. I personally was fully behind Google selling fully unlocked phones. I think if they could have gotten the price a bit less inflated and marketed it properly, the Nexus line could be more than it is now. I just don't think Google is that interested in selling phones. It's about the money and that comes from the licencing they get from other manufacturers.
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I wasn't aware that Google licensed Android to OEM's. Pretty sure it's free because it's under the GPL.
No it is not under the GPL. Most of it is Apache licensed, with a few things under GPL. There are also closed source portions. Some things do have to be licensed to OEMs. Otherwise, they would never legally be able to offer google apps on their devices ootb, be able to sync with Google Calendar, and several other things.
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No it is not under the GPL. Most of it is Apache licensed, with a few things under GPL. There are also closed source portions. Some things do have to be licensed to OEMs. Otherwise, they would never legally be able to offer google apps on their devices ootb, be able to sync with Google Calendar, and several other things.
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Ahh I forgot about the proprietary Google Apps. Makes sense.
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The Nexus One was considered a flop by the industry. I personally was fully behind Google selling fully unlocked phones. I think if they could have gotten the price a bit less inflated and marketed it properly, the Nexus line could be more than it is now. I just don't think Google is that interested in selling phones. It's about the money and that comes from the licencing they get from other manufacturers.
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It's a reference phone. That's all that is. This reference phone has two purposes:
1) Flagship device: "beta" test the next Android update with newer hardware.
2) Reference... its a prototype to suggest what the minimum hardware should be.
Nexus One set the standard for all future phones to have a 1GHz CPU.
I agree with adrynalyne. The Galaxy Nexus has a great developer community and support with great ROMs/kernels. I can really care less if the Galaxy Nexus isn't as popular as a iPhone or Galaxy S series. Just know that the Galaxy Nexus is a flagship device and will get Android 5.0 before any other phones get it (with the exception of the next "Nexus" flagship)
It seems that we won't see the key lime pie on out devices. But we will see,maybe they change their minds.My opinion is that they should bring it to One X if they want be closer to Samsung..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Hey-HTC-One-X-no-Key-Lime-Pie-for-you_id42266
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It seems that we won't see the key lime pie on out devices. But we will see,maybe they change their minds.My opinion is that they should bring it to One X if they want be closer to Samsung..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Hey-HTC-One-X-no-Key-Lime-Pie-for-you_id42266
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I'm sure we will see it in a custom rom, and the custom rom will, undoubtedly, be better than the stock so the wait will be worth it. here's hoping
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It seems that we won't see the key lime pie on out devices. But we will see,maybe they change their minds.My opinion is that they should bring it to One X if they want be closer to Samsung..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Hey-HTC-One-X-no-Key-Lime-Pie-for-you_id42266
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This article is talking about an unreleased version of Android. When HTC will confirm this after Google released it that will be a proof. Until that point it's just speculation, nothing morr!
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This article is talking about an unreleased version of Android. When HTC will confirm this after Google released it that will be a proof. Until that point it's just speculation, nothing morr!
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Oh, so we are not allowed to post or discuss a subject unless it is officially confirmed?. Sorry "hangs head in shame and walks off cliff" geronimoooooooooo
I think the title needs change...because even if it is from a reliable source, he doesn't make those decisions within HTC. the company can change their mind just like they did (half-heatedly but still...with the desire). This is still a rumor because even google haven't announced key lime pie...let alone HTC's plans for it
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I think the title needs change...because even if it is from a reliable source, he doesn't make those decisions within HTC. the company can change their mind just like they did (half-heatedly but still...with the desire). This is still a rumor because even google haven't announced key lime pie...let alone HTC's plans for it
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the title is just a direct quote of the article, I really don't see what the problem is, the OP is merely bringing the article to the attention of the users. I'm sure people can decide for themselves if they want to take any notice of the rumour ?
Hey op it's a confirmed rumor posted few days ago... Don't make the title like that
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These are all speculations on something that even Google hasn’t announced yet. I say BS!
Back in 2011 a group of companies which included HTC agreed to support their phones upto 18 months from release. HTC One X was released in 2012 May so I hardly think HTC will stop supporting their flagship and first One Series phone in just 12 months. That will harm their reputation a lot. Besides, One X+ which has a very similar hardware configuration and was released just last Nov, IMO that will definitely get Android 5.0 so I don’t any reason for HTC to leave One X behind.
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These are all speculations on something that even Google hasn’t announced yet. I say BS!
Back in 2011 a group of companies which included HTC agreed to support their phones upto 18 months from release. HTC One X was released in 2012 May so I hardly think HTC will stop supporting their flagship and first One Series phone in just 12 months. That will harm their reputation a lot. Besides, One X+ which has a very similar hardware configuration and was released just last Nov, IMO that will definitely get Android 5.0 so I don’t any reason for HTC to leave One X behind.
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Taken from an article by andronica, who were present at the 2011 Google I/O, regarding the android alliance which HTC were part of. And there are many like this:-
That does not translate to phones always getting these updates, and logistics problems alluded to by Google VP Andy Rubin in the post-keynote say as much.
For instance, the members of the update partnership could say that a new device should still be able to receive Android OS updates within the first 18 months of release; however, companies would not be obligated to stick to that guideline, and that does not mean that phones would access every new release. The group could suggest that a phone capable of running the latest software should reasonably have it within two months of the code becoming accessible; however, testing problems or developmental sluggishness could stand in the way of that happening.
Also if you Google "android 18 months updates" you will find a number of articles reporting the demise of the alliance last year.
The one x by the way was released in April 2012, in the UK at least. I got mine on 6 April, just checked the paperwork. So its "best before date" is the beginning of October this year
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They keep wondering why their business is floundering even though they put out nicely spec'd hardware. Customers remember it when they get screwed.
The life of the One X: Unfinished software -> Poor QC -> Terrible customer service when dealing with repair centers -> Not honoring warranty on unlocked devices -> No updates past Jelly Bean
The ONE I was waiting for? Don't make me laugh! The ownership experience has been mediocre at best.
Nothing but nexus devices for me or maybe Sony in a year or so since they seem to start to get it.
So HTC...here's a nice one fingered salute to you!
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we will get it along with sense 5.0
key lime pie hasn't been officially announced so I don't think that is going to happen
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we will get it along with sense 5.0
key lime pie hasn't been officially announced so I don't think that is going to happen
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You're mixing android 4.2 with KLP
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Please ppl, chill a bit. This topic is a legit one, why shouldn't the OP discuss it?
But it would't hurt to add a question mark to thread title as the critics are right with the fact that we are talking about pure speculation here.
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Please ppl, chill a bit. This topic is a legit one, why shouldn't the OP discuss it?
But it would't hurt to add a question mark to thread title as the critics are right with the fact that we are talking about pure speculation here.
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Totally agree, even more relevant now that even xda have dropped the hox from the top devices
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Totally agree, even more relevant now that even xda have dropped the hox from the top devices
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they dropped because there are newer top devices therefore they don't keep it there but the hox is still a top high-end device
It's just a rumor. We could always hope. Lol
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It could be right, since Football is the source, but we will have to wait and see because 5.0 isn't even out yet.
I don't think that the barriers here would be because of the hardware cause we still have superior hardware as nexus devices and most of the devices that out now and all now that it will be updated... We have one of the most ancient quad core devices in the market... It will be the policy of HTC to sell the new devices I'd you want the key lime pie by new flagship or newer devices... Also bot to mention that our great developers will port it for us
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Good evening everyone, on a wave of excitement caused by the latest update for HTC One X I think it might be the good time to discuss something more serious and disappointing.
It is very likely that HTC One X just came to its EOL. In this post I would like to keep any information relevant to the future of a 2012 flagship phone and I also would like to see some smart thoughts from forum members.
So here is how the future is seen at this moment:
Official HTC firmware updates
The latest official update that rolled out in mid-august is the 4th major update for HTC One X. It features Android 4.2.2 with the latest version of HTC Sense, including minor changes that present in the current HTC One (2013) firmware. It is almost completely obvious that Sense 5 with 4.2.2 is the last major update made by HTC.
It doesn't even need any explanation, but it may be nice to put up some facts proving the point of view expressed above:
There've been no HTC Android phones that made it to the 5th major update (first digit in the firmware version number). It is very unlikely that One X could become an exception;
There are no reasons for HTC to keep One X up-to-date for so long as it is being replaced from the market by newer models;
One X was released on April 2nd 2012. There are still 4 months left of Google update program, but no vendor except Google and possibly Samsung ever kept this promise;
HTC is generally known for a very naughty update policy. Look at our phones' little brother, HTC One V. It was released at the same time, but it never got any major update at all.
However, history knows a case when HTC being pressed by the community released a newest firmware for their phone marking it as forever-beta firmware. This phone was HTC Desire and it happened more than 2 years ago. I doubt that it could happen ever again.
But when it comes to minor updates, it is possible that we would get an official 4.3 update, which actually doesn't feature anything astonishingly new, and here's why:
HTC has trimmed their line-up considerably, so they should absolutely be able to provide support for longer. People will be looking to their treatment of the One S/X/X+ to gauge how well the new One devices will be updated. You know that HTC's outlook isn't great, so they need to do everything they can to improve their image.
The One X+ is much newer, so not getting 4.3 would be incredibly disappointing. Since the One X is basically the same device, it would not require much effort to update it as well.
4.3 is apparently such a minor update that multiple manufacturers won't release the 4.2 updates they've been working on and instead go right to 4.3...
In conclusion:
FUTURE ONE X OFFICIAL MAJOR FIRMWARE UPDATE IS VERY UNLIKELY, BUT A COUPLE OF MINOR UPDATES COULD GET RELEASED
Unofficial HTC firmware ports
Porting is a very sad thing to talk about when it comes to Sense ROMs on One X. HTC One X has Tegra 3 inside and it is the only HTC Android phone with this kind of SoC. Porting from devices with different SoC is extremely complicated and nearly impossible. However, this isn't true for HTC One XL which got a very popular Snapdragon SoC.
FUTURE ONE X UNOFFICIAL SENSE FIRMWARE PORTS ARE VERY UNLIKELY
Unofficial AOSP (Android Open-Source Project) development
AOSP is happily the last chance to keep One X up-to-date. Google Nexus 7 (2012) is based on the same Tegra 3 platform and this device will be up-to-date for a very long time. This fact + Android being an open source mobile OS + a huge AOSP development community gives us hope to get the latest Android versions in future. However, with all the simplicity of the AOSP development process, HOX AOSP community is being shrunk down:
- The device maintainers or devs for AOKP (IceColdJelly by LordClockan) and SlimBean (by Krarvind) don't anymore have a HOX or aren't using them and are unlike to provide updates for Android 4.3 and above.
- Pabx who has been deving for AOSP has also stated that he isn't sure if he has time to provide further updates for 4.3 +.
- Unless those roms get new maintainers or devs, the only AOSP style ROMs that will be developed in the future are Avatar ROM (a mix of CM and MIUI), Cyanogenmod and CarbonRom (their own take on AOSP - albeit updating HOX quite slowly).
- While it's very likely that Sense 5 will be the last major update from HTC and Sense ROM developers, it also looks like AOSP is slowly withering away.
THERE WILL BE SOME MAJOR AOSP RELEASES IN THE FUTURE
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In conclusion I should say that I'm a kind of person that likes everything new and because of that I will get a newer phone really soon as many other XDA forum members and it is very depressing since One X is really a great device in every aspect.
For those who are thinking of getting the One X, it is a relatively cheap but very nice device to get in 2013, but you shouldn't expect it to be up-to-date in terms of software.
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Everyone, make sure to express your point of view if you disagree with the information above. More information is always better.
The list of the nice guys who expressed their point of view and explained it, therefore making this post more informative and accurate:
akselic
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very informative and great post mate
Lol I just decided to buy one ... and now I'm discovering it's its EOL ... anyway, I agree with the content of OP and I'm buying the HOX because I still think it's one of the best in terms of design and materials and I really believe in the developers community, that seems to be really active... Hoping it will be the same for a long time...
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Unofficial AOSP (Android Open-Source Project) development
AOSP is happily the last chance to keep One X up-to-date. Google Nexus 7 (2012) is based on the same Tegra 3 platform and this device will be up-to-date for a very long time. This fact + Android being an open source mobile OS + a huge AOSP development community gives us hope to get the latest Android versions in future.
THERE WILL BE LOTS OF AOSP RELEASES IN THE FUTURE
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Some thoughts on this:
- The device maintainers or devs for AOKP (IceColdJelly by LordClockan) and SlimBean (by Krarvind) don't anymore have a HOX or aren't using them and are unlike to provide updates for Android 4.3 and above.
- Pabx who has been deving for AOSP has also stated that he isn't sure if he has time to provide further updates for 4.3 +.
- Unless those roms get new maintainers or devs, the only AOSP style ROMs that will be developed in the future are Avatar ROM (a mix of CM and MIUI), Cyanogenmod and CarbonRom (their own take on AOSP - albeit updating HOX quite slowly).
- While it's very likely that Sense 5 will be the last major update from HTC and Sense ROM developers, it also looks like AOSP is slowly withering away.
While the HOX is an excellent phone, I am personally very disappointed that it is coming to the end of its lifespan in less than 1½ years. It also forces me to seriously reconsider my future device as I tend to stick to my phone for around 2 years until updating. There's no point in buying a device that will not only stop receiving updates from the manufacturer quickly but also halt development in such a short time period.
One more reason to only support Nexus (or a device like HTC One / SGS 4 with pure Android) in the future.
Hmm mate I've owned many phones. Whilst HTC are crap with updates..with the one x they did a good farewell. Sense 5 has bought life to it again. I had the HTC one..the hype wasn't deserved. It's still got a while yet. As for aosp..they never feel complete due to there camera
Besides who doesn't like upgrading. The only downfall with pure android is the goth colour scheme. Saying this I loved my gnex. The nexus 4 didn't compare.
Swings and roundabouts swings and roundabouts
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Very well written post. This time next year I'll have my next phone.
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I don't know, I hope that the HOX keeps getting updated through AOSP but our dev community is much smaller than it was before, what with most of our former kernel devs having quit or just disappeared, it seems like AOSP releases will be fewer and further between than before.
Don't forget that HTC isn't just bad with updates, they are also notoriously bad with kernel source releases, if i remember correctly it was very close to the 90 deadline when they released kernel source for the 4.1 update. and in the time leading up to that update and then subsequently waiting for source is when the majority of devs left.
The Hox is far from dead, there is no reason for Cyanogen mod or Maximus / ARHD roms to stop development soon, but my prediction is that in terms of community created content we won't see much that deviates from them.
it is a great boon for us that the Nexus 7 has the same chipset as us, however there are a lot of other parts at work in the HOX and many of them are not the same as the N7. This is probably why there are still some bugs in our AOSP roms, because it's not as simple as just porting from one device with the same chipset.
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It is almost completely obvious that Sense 5 with 4.2.2 is the last major update made by HTC.
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I don't think it is that simple. If nothing had changed between 2011 and 2013, your prediction would be spot-on, but that's not the case. Let me offer counterpoints to yours:
HTC has trimmed their line-up considerably, so they should absolutely be able to provide support for longer. People will be looking to their treatment of the One S/X/X+ to gauge how well the new One devices will be updated. You know that HTC's outlook isn't great, so they need to do everything they can to improve their image.
The One X+ is much newer, so not getting 4.3 would be incredibly disappointing. Since the One X is basically the same device, it would not require much effort to update it as well.
4.3 is apparently such a minor update that multiple manufacturers won't release the 4.2 updates they've been working on and instead go right to 4.3...
So I think it may very well be the case that we'll see more updates, at least 4.3 - unless HTC really doesn't want to survive as a company. But major Android updates (5.x) are out of the picture, that much is obvious and understandable.
(P.S.: When referring to the One S I mean the S4 version - if Qualcomm doesn't provide updates for their S3 processor any more, HTC can't realistically provide them either.)
I feel like the hox was the spiritual successor to the desire, the community surrounding it has a lot of enthusiastic fans that still see the potential in the phone, you never know what could occur?
Whether another update comes out or not I'm never selling this phone, actually so attached to it.
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The only semi official word we have so far is this
Jeff Gordon @urbanstrata 2h
@Libzzor Who says the One X won't get 4.3?
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https://twitter.com/urbanstrata/status/366803640503107584
HTC is generally known for a very naughty update policy. Look at our phones' little brother, HTC One V. It was released at the same time, but it never got any major update at all.
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HTC deals with flagships very differently to affordable low end products like One V so your comparison doesn't stand, if the device is upper end and sold well they will still give it better support
There've been no HTC Android phones that made it to the 5th major update (first digit in the firmware version number). It is very unlikely that One X could become an exception
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The One X was the first to make it to 4.x so who's to say it won't make it to 5.x, 4.3 is considered as minor / easy over 4.2.2 by HTC so why not
They have never supported a device like they gave to the One X, which shows how much they regard this device (they sold around 15 million of them)
Finally "naughty" stories like Desire HD and One S are to be blamed on suppliers failing to provide updated drivers
With all said and done, you can't blame them if they stop the support either, they have almost met their 18 months commitment
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I feel like the hox was the spiritual successor to the desire, the community surrounding it has a lot of enthusiastic fans that still see the potential in the phone, you never know what could occur?
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Nothing similar at all. However, One X is technically a successor to the Sensation, which community also looked exactly like the HOX community.
UPD: Updated the op-post, adding the information given by the forum members.
Assuming HTC continues to provide updates, what about people's warranties? Wouldn't a manufacturer cut off any non critical updates after most devices have gone off their original warranty period? Its been mostly a full year for the early adopters, has anyone got extended warranty or different policies (say EU and China with their 2-year legal enforcement?)
This of course affects no AOSP stuff since we pretty much gave up our warranties the day we unlocked the boot loader anyway, but we could probably refer to warranty lengths for a flagship device to see how much HTC will squeeze out of it.
There are no One X's on sale right now are they? Like brand new ones, not the secondhand market.
True, fair thought and points. Give you thumb up for this!
I wouldn't demand on a new firmware version number starting with 5.xx for edeavorU. If it does happened, it would be suprise with appreciation..
Here is my views of future updates from the perspective how update will be handles:-
Talking about possibly future 'major' HTC updates for HOX, we should first look onto how they decided to treat Android 4.3 to theirs newer flagships first since the strategy will much likely reflect down to us.
There is still unclear how HTC plan to handle Android 4.3, I mean wether it come with same Sense version or newer. The major overhaul's Sense 5 already extent itself through Android 4.1 and 4.2. Under HTC tradition, most likely they will bring Sense 5.1 / 5 Max (hmm.. learnt from X+'s case) with little polishing. Furthermore, Android 4.3 was known to be has minimal user facing changes.
"Lots of questions re 4.3 release for One. We r wrking hard (needs cert) to release 4.3 across all US, Canada skus by end Sept. DNA as well." --- Jason Mackenzie (@HTC US President)
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Taking the statement into account, obviously HTC has only left some little extra times and reasons to rush out Sense 5.5 nor Sense 6. Unless HTC really want to expense un-necessity major Sense version bump over high public expectance of new Android version.
If you have time do read this: Why Android Updates Are So Slow. Hardware manufacturers is what I wanna to talk on next. Luckly, HTC only uses major ARM processor makers to make phone, in case there are Qualcomm and nVidia. Both of them are also Google nexus partners present on nexus product catalogs. It means they are working closely since Google initiated their work on Android 4.3. In layman's term, there is no extra waiting time for HTC to wait for the arrival of Android 4.3 equivalent kernel sources. However, HTC might still need to wait for other component makers to update their libraries to match and work on new Android. Ironically, from technical standpoint there is reasons why Android 4.3 still named JellyBean. For those component makers they only had to deal with little obstacles because there is much lesser lower level changes on Android. We do know those hardware manufacturers is punctual for HTC One given that HTC One GPE's OTA is only 9 days behind. However, it is not always truth for non-first priority devices like HOX.
So what these all means? Android 4.3 may not impose heavy burden on HTC as many of us thoughts. (because they can actually skip 4.2 on some products too).
If HTC's update plan went smoothly as Jason Mackenzie stated, there will be more likely we might see yet another major firmware version bump. Albiet, we're incapable of getting OpenGL ES 3.0 support...
It seems to be coming closer to EOL buy in my country they still sell HTC One X for 400€ (2 years warranty) while the One costs 490€...
All good things must come to an end. When my HOX turns 2 it will be finding a new home via eBay, it doesn't appear to to be too far away as time flies when your having fun. Great device and still enjoying it, the only issue I will have is what to replace it with...... it has be just as reliable, more powerful and aesthetically pleasing which I think means I'll hold on to it at least 2 months longer whilst deciding.
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Assuming HTC continues to provide updates, what about people's warranties? Wouldn't a manufacturer cut off any non critical updates after most devices have gone off their original warranty period? Its been mostly a full year for the early adopters, has anyone got extended warranty or different policies (say EU and China with their 2-year legal enforcement?)
This of course affects no AOSP stuff since we pretty much gave up our warranties the day we unlocked the boot loader anyway, but we could probably refer to warranty lengths for a flagship device to see how much HTC will squeeze out of it.
There are no One X's on sale right now are they? Like brand new ones, not the secondhand market.
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Warranty presumes a proper device operation on the full length of the warranty, doesn't have to do anything with the software updates unless it's essential to keep the device in the condition stated in the warranty.
Just bought on eBay a One X 32gb white, for about 310€ in mint conditions (finger crossed) , because I was tired of my (excellent) Galaxy Nexus (18 months old) ... I want something more elegant ...
I'm sure we will see 2/3 months of Sense custom Roms with a lot of optimization based on latest update, then CM based roms for a long time ... At the moment on the market there is nothing so excellent that convinced me to spend the double (or little bit less) of what I spent for the HOX ...
The only thing I would like to see on the HOX soon or later is the Modaco switch like on the HTC One and now ported to the S4 ... Do you think it will be possible?
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furius said:
Just bought on eBay a One X 32gb white, for about 310€ in mint conditions (finger crossed) , because I was tired of my (excellent) Galaxy Nexus (18 months old) ... I want something more elegant ...
I'm sure we will see 2/3 months of Sense custom Roms with a lot of optimization based on latest update, then CM based roms for a long time ... At the moment on the market there is nothing so excellent that convinced me to spend the double (or little bit less) of what I spent for the HOX ...
The only thing I would like to see on the HOX soon or later is the Modaco switch like on the HTC One and now ported to the S4 ... Do you think it will be possible?
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Modaco Switch is made to switch to the OFFICIAL aosp build and connecting to the proper OTA branch.
Obviously it won't come to any other phones besides One and S4 since there's no other phones with the official AOSP firmware.
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Warranty presumes a proper device operation on the full length of the warranty, doesn't have to do anything with the software updates unless it's essential to keep the device in the condition stated in the warranty.
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Yep I know, but would a manufacturer hold onto providing updates if everyone's devices are already "expired" (in warranty sense)? I don't know about business strategy though, whether maintaining a long software update cycle would be better for further marketing and sales (It's certainly positive when it's existent, but what if it was lacking?)
An important issue delaying timely updates is all the testing, if we buy unlocked versions it's the manufacturer, otherwise add carrier to the list... I wouldn't expect a 5.x update (but I've been running stock/CM/Carbon/AOKP since day one) as long as all the drivers and sources are properly supplied...
And just dreaming, if HTC could S-OFF our phones after it decides to stop providing updates it would be so great
Sold the HOX to a mate, with the cash puchased a note 2 for the gf which in return I got her iphone 5. All I can say is android destroys ios! Battery wise iphone kills the HOX. Called my friend to see if he will let me buy it back but no luck....im back on ebay looking for a bargain HOX, I thought id never say this I miss sense.
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