It seems that we won't see the key lime pie on out devices. But we will see,maybe they change their minds.My opinion is that they should bring it to One X if they want be closer to Samsung..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Hey-HTC-One-X-no-Key-Lime-Pie-for-you_id42266
hb5 said:
It seems that we won't see the key lime pie on out devices. But we will see,maybe they change their minds.My opinion is that they should bring it to One X if they want be closer to Samsung..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Hey-HTC-One-X-no-Key-Lime-Pie-for-you_id42266
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I'm sure we will see it in a custom rom, and the custom rom will, undoubtedly, be better than the stock so the wait will be worth it. here's hoping
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It seems that we won't see the key lime pie on out devices. But we will see,maybe they change their minds.My opinion is that they should bring it to One X if they want be closer to Samsung..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Hey-HTC-One-X-no-Key-Lime-Pie-for-you_id42266
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This article is talking about an unreleased version of Android. When HTC will confirm this after Google released it that will be a proof. Until that point it's just speculation, nothing morr!
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This article is talking about an unreleased version of Android. When HTC will confirm this after Google released it that will be a proof. Until that point it's just speculation, nothing morr!
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Oh, so we are not allowed to post or discuss a subject unless it is officially confirmed?. Sorry "hangs head in shame and walks off cliff" geronimoooooooooo
I think the title needs change...because even if it is from a reliable source, he doesn't make those decisions within HTC. the company can change their mind just like they did (half-heatedly but still...with the desire). This is still a rumor because even google haven't announced key lime pie...let alone HTC's plans for it
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I think the title needs change...because even if it is from a reliable source, he doesn't make those decisions within HTC. the company can change their mind just like they did (half-heatedly but still...with the desire). This is still a rumor because even google haven't announced key lime pie...let alone HTC's plans for it
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the title is just a direct quote of the article, I really don't see what the problem is, the OP is merely bringing the article to the attention of the users. I'm sure people can decide for themselves if they want to take any notice of the rumour ?
Hey op it's a confirmed rumor posted few days ago... Don't make the title like that
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These are all speculations on something that even Google hasn’t announced yet. I say BS!
Back in 2011 a group of companies which included HTC agreed to support their phones upto 18 months from release. HTC One X was released in 2012 May so I hardly think HTC will stop supporting their flagship and first One Series phone in just 12 months. That will harm their reputation a lot. Besides, One X+ which has a very similar hardware configuration and was released just last Nov, IMO that will definitely get Android 5.0 so I don’t any reason for HTC to leave One X behind.
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These are all speculations on something that even Google hasn’t announced yet. I say BS!
Back in 2011 a group of companies which included HTC agreed to support their phones upto 18 months from release. HTC One X was released in 2012 May so I hardly think HTC will stop supporting their flagship and first One Series phone in just 12 months. That will harm their reputation a lot. Besides, One X+ which has a very similar hardware configuration and was released just last Nov, IMO that will definitely get Android 5.0 so I don’t any reason for HTC to leave One X behind.
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Taken from an article by andronica, who were present at the 2011 Google I/O, regarding the android alliance which HTC were part of. And there are many like this:-
That does not translate to phones always getting these updates, and logistics problems alluded to by Google VP Andy Rubin in the post-keynote say as much.
For instance, the members of the update partnership could say that a new device should still be able to receive Android OS updates within the first 18 months of release; however, companies would not be obligated to stick to that guideline, and that does not mean that phones would access every new release. The group could suggest that a phone capable of running the latest software should reasonably have it within two months of the code becoming accessible; however, testing problems or developmental sluggishness could stand in the way of that happening.
Also if you Google "android 18 months updates" you will find a number of articles reporting the demise of the alliance last year.
The one x by the way was released in April 2012, in the UK at least. I got mine on 6 April, just checked the paperwork. So its "best before date" is the beginning of October this year
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They keep wondering why their business is floundering even though they put out nicely spec'd hardware. Customers remember it when they get screwed.
The life of the One X: Unfinished software -> Poor QC -> Terrible customer service when dealing with repair centers -> Not honoring warranty on unlocked devices -> No updates past Jelly Bean
The ONE I was waiting for? Don't make me laugh! The ownership experience has been mediocre at best.
Nothing but nexus devices for me or maybe Sony in a year or so since they seem to start to get it.
So HTC...here's a nice one fingered salute to you!
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we will get it along with sense 5.0
key lime pie hasn't been officially announced so I don't think that is going to happen
Droid Pharaoh said:
we will get it along with sense 5.0
key lime pie hasn't been officially announced so I don't think that is going to happen
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Please ppl, chill a bit. This topic is a legit one, why shouldn't the OP discuss it?
But it would't hurt to add a question mark to thread title as the critics are right with the fact that we are talking about pure speculation here.
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Please ppl, chill a bit. This topic is a legit one, why shouldn't the OP discuss it?
But it would't hurt to add a question mark to thread title as the critics are right with the fact that we are talking about pure speculation here.
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Totally agree, even more relevant now that even xda have dropped the hox from the top devices
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Totally agree, even more relevant now that even xda have dropped the hox from the top devices
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they dropped because there are newer top devices therefore they don't keep it there but the hox is still a top high-end device
It's just a rumor. We could always hope. Lol
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It could be right, since Football is the source, but we will have to wait and see because 5.0 isn't even out yet.
I don't think that the barriers here would be because of the hardware cause we still have superior hardware as nexus devices and most of the devices that out now and all now that it will be updated... We have one of the most ancient quad core devices in the market... It will be the policy of HTC to sell the new devices I'd you want the key lime pie by new flagship or newer devices... Also bot to mention that our great developers will port it for us
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Edit: This information may or may not be incorrect. Read it if you like, but dont post negative comments, its not cool.
Android Froyo delayed till September
July 3rd, 2010
Froyo Android 2.2
As Android Froyo has hit some roadblocks, HTC Desire, HTC Legend and HTC Wildfire seem to be the first ones to get affected.
As per initial plans, the Froyo was to be launched on the Nexus One and then on the HTC Desire after a week. However, Froyo does not seem to hit the handsets anytime before September as Google and HTC continue to keep the issues under wraps.
It is not just the HTC handsets that will be affected by the delay because most other Android Smartphones are also awaiting the Froyo. The recently launched Samsung i900 Galaxy S and the Dell Mini 5 (Streak) are few such handsets which will have a significant impact.
HTC has been in the forefront of manufacturing stunning handsets on the Android platform and as we all know they made the Nexus One for Google too. HTC Desire is the basis for the Google Nexus One and hence the striking similarity between the two handsets is inevitable.
Google on the other hand will be under pressure to get the Android Froyo out thanks to the launch of the iPhone 4. Inspite of multiple issues in the iPhone 4, it is still a stiff competitor for the Android 2.1 Eclair.
Do you have a source for this?
Is still Q3 as mentioned before
i call BS given that the only site which google searching the first paragraph is some crappy little mobile phone site
Nothing on google indeed. Any decent source would be on there in a minute.
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i call BS given that the only site which google searching the first paragraph is some crappy little mobile phone site
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Possibly is, I can't confirm or deny it. I just read it and thought I would post for your benifit.
Believe it or dont believe, Your call.
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Possibly is, I can't confirm or deny it. I just read it and thought I would post for your benifit.
Believe it or dont believe, Your call.
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Haha what benefit is there for us from this?
Since there is no credible source, I won't take this serious. And September would still be Q3.
Maybe here the source with no official source ^^
http://www.mobile-hub.co.uk/mobile-phone-news/android-froyo-delayed-till-september/
Dont care.
The way its worded is implying that 2.2 in general isn't ready - which we know it isnt' true
Sounds to me like the quoted source (that is a quote isn't it) is reading a bit much into the 3rd quarter announcement. Mind you, I'd be pleasantly surprised if we see the update before September, but to call it as being delayed is going a bit far.
Also wonder what the source's source twice removed is for the expectation that the Desire was expected to get Froyo only a week after the N1. I mean, talk about speculation. Not even an optimstic developer on the inside would say "nah, we could do it in a week and I'll stake my career, no the whole company's entire reputation on it".
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Haha what benefit is there for us from this?
Since there is no credible source, I won't take this serious. And September would still be Q3.
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I dont know whether it is a credible source, for all I know the guy who wrote it is the CEO of HTC.
Whats the negativity people. I thought the info would be useful.
Did Nexus get 2.2 OTA already?
yes it did.
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Edit: This information may or may not be incorrect. Read it if you like, but dont post negative comments, its not cool.
As per initial plans, the Froyo was to be launched on the Nexus One and then on the HTC Desire after a week. However, Froyo does not seem to hit the handsets anytime before September as Google and HTC continue to keep the issues under wraps.
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This clearly states that the Nexus one has not received Froyo witch is not true(!)
Why bother spreading nonsense? That no good for anyone. As stated, its quarter three that is the official info from HTC.
My edit: To spread rumours without reviewing your sources is in itself NEGATIVE(!) Good that you edited your post, but to apply scepticism to sources is NATURAL and in itself neutral (read not negative).
Please review your post and apply source criticism before you post posts containing rumours. That will spare us plenty of irritation.
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Whats the negativity people. I thought the info would be useful.
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Unfortunately its not.
Everyone's still licking their wounds from that June 23rd etc.. bs
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Unfortunately its not.
Everyone's still licking their wounds from that June 23rd etc.. bs
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Ok, well from another source Code Named S. Clause, I hear it is coming out 25th December this year.
why is everbody saying that the nexus One allready have had the update.
i have a friend that has the nexus1 and he can push the button update now but the phone keeps telling he is up-to-date.
how come that he cant update and you guys talk that the update is released.
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why is everbody saying that the nexus One allready have had the update.
i have a friend that has the nexus1 and he can push the button update now but the phone keeps telling he is up-to-date.
how come that he cant update and you guys talk that the update is released.
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I also talked to someone today with a Nexus one and he hasn't recieved the OTA 2.2 update.
I think its regionalised
That's why these things are called rumours.
The 23 June release nonsense had plenty of 'sources' but they were just rumours as well.
The one thing I know for certain is that HTC won't release it until they feel like releasing it....
And why do some of you guys take this so seriously? It's about an OS on a phone - not life or death.
Maybe not enough important stuff going on in your lives? Relax!
Does anyone have any news of a new handset from HTC to replace the TP2?
Now that Windows 7 is released I would be expecting HTC to release an updated top-of-the-range business handset to replace the TP2. I've had a TP2 since it came out (and every model prior to that), but it's a bit tired now (not to mention scratched to buggery!). Surely there must be a new flag-ship handset on its way?
I comtacted HTC who in their usual helpful way said "I can help with that question" and then proceded to not help me in the slightest! Their stock answer is we'll tell you when (or if) we feel like it! Obviously, this really encourages me to stay with HTC! These forums tend to be far more informed than anyone else and so maybe someone here has some news, rumours etc?
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Their stock answer is we'll tell you when (or if) we feel like it! Obviously, this really encourages me to stay with HTC!
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Oh come on, all companies don't disclose such information prior to official announcements.
I wouldn't expect minute details of their latest project, but since everyone knows they will be launching a Windows 7 handset, I wouldn't have though it beyond the realms of possibility for them to say we're looking for a Q4 2011 release". Every other company does this, and it not exactly a secret that a handset manufacturer will launch a new handset sometime soon!
And why would you ask something that you obviously already know?
I don't already know. If I did, I wouldn't have been asking. If they aren't going to be releasing one for another year, I'll look at buying an xperia. If they are, I'll hang on.
There are lots of rumors; according to them, they will release maybe not one but several handsets. Officially they are announced as launch partners by Microsoft. There are no official statements from HTC that their support staff can distribute though, so I don't see why you prefer to bug them instead of googling, it'd bring you better results with much less effort.
Before he left, Conflipper disclosed a bunch of previously unknown WP7 and Android HTC devices. That's on top of the Mozart, Mondrian, Spark, Gold, and Schubert that are already rumored.
You got a link?
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You got a link?
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Here
http://wmpoweruser.com/renowned-modder-conflippers-parting-treats/
I read that the HTC Gold_W will come to Sprint with WP7. The _W might be World Phone speculation. No word on CPU but I would prefer a Tegra or Tegra 2 CPU dual core CPU. World phone would be nice. I just hope HTC does not screw up the camera or video recording as usual.
One thing that gets me is the wait till the Holiday season.. I mean common, release at least early/mid November at the latest since I do not want to be waiting in line for a device while I need to get Christmas Shopping done.
(Seriously thinking of Pre-ordering/Waiting in line (if their is one) for the first Sprint based device) I really want to get my hands on one early to see the OS grow, Market it to friends, family, iUsers, and hopefully work my way into a Marketing Position for Microsoft's Mobile Marketing or HTC's Marketing Devision. Both of them really need to push Windows Phone better than any past device thus far.
^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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yes plz provide info on this Im on a cdma carrier & im waiting for this, I mite have to switch to T-mobile if this is true
No way I am switching from Sprint. I am Pretty darn sure that every carrier is onboard to provide a relase day device (and HTC has the devices for them). No ATT only crap even if they are a "Premiere Partner"
I'm not sure I'm sticking w/ HTC - I want to see what all the devices are and I don't have enough info at this time. I'd like something with a 1.3 or 1.5 GHz dual core, and a nice keyboard is a MAJOR bonus for me... so, we'll see which device has what specs, then I'll decide
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I'm not sure I'm sticking w/ HTC - I want to see what all the devices are and I don't have enough info at this time. I'd like something with a 1.3 or 1.5 GHz dual core, and a nice keyboard is a MAJOR bonus for me... so, we'll see which device has what specs, then I'll decide
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Correct me if I'm wrong (cuz I'm not 100% knowledgable on "dual-core") , but you want a device that runs at 3 ghz?! No one is going to be able to provide that for you at least until Q4 of 2011. Motorola is showing off with their 2 ghz phone in Q4 2010 but 3 Gigs is just impossible...
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Correct me if I'm wrong (cuz I'm not 100% knowledgable on "dual-core") , but you want a device that runs at 3 ghz?! No one is going to be able to provide that for you at least until Q4 of 2011. Motorola is showing off with their 2 ghz phone in Q4 2010 but 3 Gigs is just impossible...
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They've been rumored for a few months, but this is the article I read today that helped me understand the hardware a bit better (and made me think I'll hold out just a touch, if what I'm looking for isn't ready when WP7 goes live).
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sna...bile-CPU-war-beyond-1GHz-article-a_12546.html
If you just google 1.5 GHz Snapdragon and you'll get a ton of rumors etc.
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My bad, I read wrong.
http://www.cellphoneinn.com/2010/07/26/htc-wp7-phone-leaked-hp-show-no-interest-in-wp7/
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They've been rumored for a few months, but this is the article I read today that helped me understand the hardware a bit better (and made me think I'll hold out just a touch, if what I'm looking for isn't ready when WP7 goes live).
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sna...bile-CPU-war-beyond-1GHz-article-a_12546.html
If you just google 1.5 GHz Snapdragon and you'll get a ton of rumors etc.
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WOW, I didn't expect that coming... Imagine an HTC Touch Pro 3 with that dual-core, but I'm still surprised at how Samsung's Hummingbird is performing twice as good as the dual-core when it comes to 2D...
Okay, so I saw a bunch of the tech news sites running with the story about 5.0 coming out in Q2 (Google I/O?). Anybody have any GOOD info on this? I can't imagine it will be anywhere near as big an update as 4.0 was, but I am curious as to what it will have, who will get it first (GNex makes the most sense), and how far behind that release 6.0 and the next Nexus device are.
The next version will be 4.1
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Okay, so I saw a bunch of the tech news sites running with the story about 5.0 coming out in Q2 (Google I/O?). Anybody have any GOOD info on this? I can't imagine it will be anywhere near as big an update as 4.0 was, but I am curious as to what it will have, who will get it first (GNex makes the most sense), and how far behind that release 6.0 and the next Nexus device are.
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We won't be seeing 5.0 for at least until Q4.
We may not get it until Q4 but it is extreamley probable that is will be announced in Q2 due to that's when google i|o is
cordell507 said:
We may not get it until Q4 but it is extreamley probable that is will be announced in Q2 due to that's when google i|o is
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Doubt it. THey haven't even polished ICS. They would just stir up **** talking about 5.
if anything, Android 5 would probably be more of a minor update like it was from froyo to gingerbread than gingerbread to ICS. more behind the scene changes
This just further proves to the tech blog community that 'android fragmentation' will always exist.
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This just further proves to the tech blog community that 'android fragmentation' will always exist.
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If thats the price of having a 'latest and greatest' style community I'm fine with that. I think went you have fast paced development and your always looking at the next big thing theres always gonna be a lack of consistency.
Troll... troll and more troll...
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Why has the word RUMOR been left out of this entire thread!?
Okay continue the speculation..
Have to love Rumors, I think 4.1 is more logical than 5.0 and I would think we would see it on the gnex fairly quick. But again this is all speculation and rumors at this point.
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I don't really see versioning == fragmentation. Having developed with and seen the android SDK grow, it looks like natural evolution to me.
Most people don't really get it. From 2.3 to 4.0 isn't like they rewrote "android", the changes are not that drastic. Its still essentially the same basic API and framework, with additions and deprecations as needed. In fact the increase of a "major" version number (2->4) was completely a farce, and entirely marketing spin.
So, 5.0 will be much of the same, and 4.0 is so good now, I can't say I'm all that worried about when its coming out. My main concerns are with manufactures optimization of the drivers that interface with the ICS HAL. Get that ironed out first, and let ICS be ICS.
Only real direction for growth is for Android to start having the ability to become a desktop computer + tablet in one, basically like W8 is trying to do.
ICS basically bridged phone + tablet, so only remaining path is to add desktop to it, to be able to replace most office computers (that aren't needing high powered gear)
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I don't really see versioning == fragmentation. Having developed with and seen the android SDK grow, it looks like natural evolution to me.
Most people don't really get it. From 2.3 to 4.0 isn't like they rewrote "android", the changes are not that drastic. Its still essentially the same basic API and framework, with additions and deprecations as needed. In fact the increase of a "major" version number (2->4) was completely a farce, and entirely marketing spin.
So, 5.0 will be much of the same, and 4.0 is so good now, I can't say I'm all that worried about when its coming out. My main concerns are with manufactures optimization of the drivers that interface with the ICS HAL. Get that ironed out first, and let ICS be ICS.
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Anti-android people just like to throw out the word fragmentation, don't feed trolls.
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Hey you, get back under your bridge until we say you can come out.
Damnit I accidentally hit thanks.
I don't know why people keep shooting this down as a rumor?
It's almost certain that we will see a major announcement in Q2, since google has been updating android 2 times a year almost since its release. The only uncertainty is whether they'll upgrade the name and how much they'll upgrade the version number.
So yes we will see an announcement at Google I/O and it'll be likely to hit our gn's first, just as we will see another one in Q3/4 along with another device release.
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I don't know why people keep shooting this down as a rumor?
It's almost certain that we will see a major announcement in Q2, since google has been updating android 2 times a year almost since its release. The only uncertainty is whether they'll upgrade the name and how much they'll upgrade the version number.
So yes we will see an announcement at Google I/O and it'll be likely to hit our gn's first, just as we will see another one in Q3/4 along with another device release.
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You must have missed the announcement where Google said they will only give one update a year from here on out. With all the clamoring on how ICS is a "huge" update you will NOT see 5.0 in Q2 AND something in Q4.
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I think we'll see a 4.1 update fairly soon, but JellyBean probably not until next year during the annual release and it will probably be just back end code like stated. We'll probably start seeing information on it around the end of Q2 but I don't see anything dramatic coming to light.
ICS was the BIG change over everyone was waiting for that brings tons of features to the table. I can't see them doing anything dramatic for a while. I think the CORE Android is where they want it to be now where Tablets and Phones are merged into one single version.
someone swing by google and see if the statue is up or not
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Because everywhere this is found on the internet it is tagged with a big ass RUMOR in the title!! And the original source is known for pulling **** out of their ass.
Its official that HTC One series will get jelly bean.News is official from HTC.
Source : codenametech dot com
Did anyone think it wasn't going to happen? Here's HTC's quote:
"We know HTC fans are excited to get their hands on Google's latest version of Android. At this point in time, we can confirm that we have plans to upgrade our HTC One X, HTC One XL and HTC One S to Jelly Bean. Please stay tuned for more updates regarding device upgrades, timing and other details about HTC and Jelly Bean."
If you parse it, it says "we can confirm we have plans" and "stay tuned for more updates." Confirming an "update" vs. "plans for an update" are two different things and set different expectations. To me, that means it's not around the corner.
In related news, SamMobile, a 50%-reliable source for Samsung news said:
"The insiders of SamMobile reported that Samsung is testing Android 4.1 for the Galaxy S III and Galaxy S II. Samsung is almost ready to update their Galaxy S III devices to Android 4.1. There is no date planned yet but it could be around August / September."
Neither HTC nor Samsung will want their flagships updated last so sometime in the fall for the One X and SGS3 seems realistic. With a JB release being at least a couple of months away the 2.X update to 4.0.4 should occur as planned. The One S received it three days ago.
its a great news altogether.I think with all the devices that they came up with in 2012 all should be upgraded to Jelly bean.
Not the v apparently.
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There's a term called "planned obsolescence." It's pretty much designing products so that they'll never be equal to the "new and improved" product causing people to always want and hopefully purchase the "next big thing." Google wants the manufacturers to keep their devices current so that at any given time the majority are on latest and greatest Android OS. The manufacturers want the opposite; people buying-up to a new device to get the new bells and whistles. With ICS out for ten months and only 10% of devices on it I'd say the manufacturers are winning. Does anyone really think it takes companies like Samsung and HTC nine months to develop an update? Dragging their feet is intentional and there's nothing we or Google can do about it.
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There's a term called "planned obsolescence." It's pretty much designing products so that they'll never be equal to the "new and improved" product causing people to always want and hopefully purchase the "next big thing." Google wants the manufacturers to keep their devices current so that at any given time the majority are on latest and greatest Android OS. The manufacturers want the opposite; people buying-up to a new device to get the new bells and whistles. With ICS out for ten months and only 10% of devices on it I'd say the manufacturers are winning. Does anyone really think it takes companies like Samsung and HTC nine months to develop an update? Dragging their feet is intentional and there's nothing we or Google can do about it.
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Yes but for this question of "planned obsolescence" We need S-OFF in all phones........quickly
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Yes but for this question of "planned obsolescence" We need S-OFF in all phones........quickly
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For all we know locking their phones and eliminating the warranty for unlocked devices could be HTC's way of preventing or scaring people from getting the "latest and greatest" on their own and therefore having to purchase the Two X, Three X, and so on. In other words, a form of planned obsolescence. Manufacturers aren't as stupid as a lot of people believe they are. We don't like them for what they do but their well aware of why they do it and what the benefit is financially.
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There's a term called "planned obsolescence." It's pretty much designing products so that they'll never be equal to the "new and improved" product causing people to always want and hopefully purchase the "next big thing." Google wants the manufacturers to keep their devices current so that at any given time the majority are on latest and greatest Android OS. The manufacturers want the opposite; people buying-up to a new device to get the new bells and whistles. With ICS out for ten months and only 10% of devices on it I'd say the manufacturers are winning. Does anyone really think it takes companies like Samsung and HTC nine months to develop an update? Dragging their feet is intentional and there's nothing we or Google can do about it.
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HTC has been the fastest to produce updates on their flagships to the latest os. And it is hardly a quick process to integrate their sense into the oses.
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There's a term called "planned obsolescence." It's pretty much designing products so that they'll never be equal to the "new and improved" product causing people to always want and hopefully purchase the "next big thing." Google wants the manufacturers to keep their devices current so that at any given time the majority are on latest and greatest Android OS. The manufacturers want the opposite; people buying-up to a new device to get the new bells and whistles. With ICS out for ten months and only 10% of devices on it I'd say the manufacturers are winning. Does anyone really think it takes companies like Samsung and HTC nine months to develop an update? Dragging their feet is intentional and there's nothing we or Google can do about it.
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There is also something like the competition and when caring consumers see that the competitor does give them updates they will buy from the competitor next time
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There is also something like the competition and when caring consumers see that the competitor does give them updates they will buy from the competitor next time
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Who would that be? They all suck with some sucking worse than others. Samsung is just now starting to update their tablets to ICS. Do you think it's a coincidence that started to happen only after the G-Tab 2's have been on the market for a few months? There's zero incentive for a manufacturer to devote resources to keeping their phones updated. If Samsung started to HTC would also. But there's no motive for anyone to change what they're currently doing. Why do you think Google built their own tablet? With all their influence over the manufacturers they couldn’t get them off their asses to pay attention to a market segment Android was getting the crap kicked out of it in. If Google through Motorola starts setting new precedents others will follow. Until then the dysfunction continues.
I tired of waiting for HTC to do what is right, just give me S-Off and CM10
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Misleading title ... There is already a thread about this sticky...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1740569
Good evening everyone, on a wave of excitement caused by the latest update for HTC One X I think it might be the good time to discuss something more serious and disappointing.
It is very likely that HTC One X just came to its EOL. In this post I would like to keep any information relevant to the future of a 2012 flagship phone and I also would like to see some smart thoughts from forum members.
So here is how the future is seen at this moment:
Official HTC firmware updates
The latest official update that rolled out in mid-august is the 4th major update for HTC One X. It features Android 4.2.2 with the latest version of HTC Sense, including minor changes that present in the current HTC One (2013) firmware. It is almost completely obvious that Sense 5 with 4.2.2 is the last major update made by HTC.
It doesn't even need any explanation, but it may be nice to put up some facts proving the point of view expressed above:
There've been no HTC Android phones that made it to the 5th major update (first digit in the firmware version number). It is very unlikely that One X could become an exception;
There are no reasons for HTC to keep One X up-to-date for so long as it is being replaced from the market by newer models;
One X was released on April 2nd 2012. There are still 4 months left of Google update program, but no vendor except Google and possibly Samsung ever kept this promise;
HTC is generally known for a very naughty update policy. Look at our phones' little brother, HTC One V. It was released at the same time, but it never got any major update at all.
However, history knows a case when HTC being pressed by the community released a newest firmware for their phone marking it as forever-beta firmware. This phone was HTC Desire and it happened more than 2 years ago. I doubt that it could happen ever again.
But when it comes to minor updates, it is possible that we would get an official 4.3 update, which actually doesn't feature anything astonishingly new, and here's why:
HTC has trimmed their line-up considerably, so they should absolutely be able to provide support for longer. People will be looking to their treatment of the One S/X/X+ to gauge how well the new One devices will be updated. You know that HTC's outlook isn't great, so they need to do everything they can to improve their image.
The One X+ is much newer, so not getting 4.3 would be incredibly disappointing. Since the One X is basically the same device, it would not require much effort to update it as well.
4.3 is apparently such a minor update that multiple manufacturers won't release the 4.2 updates they've been working on and instead go right to 4.3...
In conclusion:
FUTURE ONE X OFFICIAL MAJOR FIRMWARE UPDATE IS VERY UNLIKELY, BUT A COUPLE OF MINOR UPDATES COULD GET RELEASED
Unofficial HTC firmware ports
Porting is a very sad thing to talk about when it comes to Sense ROMs on One X. HTC One X has Tegra 3 inside and it is the only HTC Android phone with this kind of SoC. Porting from devices with different SoC is extremely complicated and nearly impossible. However, this isn't true for HTC One XL which got a very popular Snapdragon SoC.
FUTURE ONE X UNOFFICIAL SENSE FIRMWARE PORTS ARE VERY UNLIKELY
Unofficial AOSP (Android Open-Source Project) development
AOSP is happily the last chance to keep One X up-to-date. Google Nexus 7 (2012) is based on the same Tegra 3 platform and this device will be up-to-date for a very long time. This fact + Android being an open source mobile OS + a huge AOSP development community gives us hope to get the latest Android versions in future. However, with all the simplicity of the AOSP development process, HOX AOSP community is being shrunk down:
- The device maintainers or devs for AOKP (IceColdJelly by LordClockan) and SlimBean (by Krarvind) don't anymore have a HOX or aren't using them and are unlike to provide updates for Android 4.3 and above.
- Pabx who has been deving for AOSP has also stated that he isn't sure if he has time to provide further updates for 4.3 +.
- Unless those roms get new maintainers or devs, the only AOSP style ROMs that will be developed in the future are Avatar ROM (a mix of CM and MIUI), Cyanogenmod and CarbonRom (their own take on AOSP - albeit updating HOX quite slowly).
- While it's very likely that Sense 5 will be the last major update from HTC and Sense ROM developers, it also looks like AOSP is slowly withering away.
THERE WILL BE SOME MAJOR AOSP RELEASES IN THE FUTURE
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In conclusion I should say that I'm a kind of person that likes everything new and because of that I will get a newer phone really soon as many other XDA forum members and it is very depressing since One X is really a great device in every aspect.
For those who are thinking of getting the One X, it is a relatively cheap but very nice device to get in 2013, but you shouldn't expect it to be up-to-date in terms of software.
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Everyone, make sure to express your point of view if you disagree with the information above. More information is always better.
The list of the nice guys who expressed their point of view and explained it, therefore making this post more informative and accurate:
akselic
amorpheus
very informative and great post mate
Lol I just decided to buy one ... and now I'm discovering it's its EOL ... anyway, I agree with the content of OP and I'm buying the HOX because I still think it's one of the best in terms of design and materials and I really believe in the developers community, that seems to be really active... Hoping it will be the same for a long time...
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Unofficial AOSP (Android Open-Source Project) development
AOSP is happily the last chance to keep One X up-to-date. Google Nexus 7 (2012) is based on the same Tegra 3 platform and this device will be up-to-date for a very long time. This fact + Android being an open source mobile OS + a huge AOSP development community gives us hope to get the latest Android versions in future.
THERE WILL BE LOTS OF AOSP RELEASES IN THE FUTURE
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Some thoughts on this:
- The device maintainers or devs for AOKP (IceColdJelly by LordClockan) and SlimBean (by Krarvind) don't anymore have a HOX or aren't using them and are unlike to provide updates for Android 4.3 and above.
- Pabx who has been deving for AOSP has also stated that he isn't sure if he has time to provide further updates for 4.3 +.
- Unless those roms get new maintainers or devs, the only AOSP style ROMs that will be developed in the future are Avatar ROM (a mix of CM and MIUI), Cyanogenmod and CarbonRom (their own take on AOSP - albeit updating HOX quite slowly).
- While it's very likely that Sense 5 will be the last major update from HTC and Sense ROM developers, it also looks like AOSP is slowly withering away.
While the HOX is an excellent phone, I am personally very disappointed that it is coming to the end of its lifespan in less than 1½ years. It also forces me to seriously reconsider my future device as I tend to stick to my phone for around 2 years until updating. There's no point in buying a device that will not only stop receiving updates from the manufacturer quickly but also halt development in such a short time period.
One more reason to only support Nexus (or a device like HTC One / SGS 4 with pure Android) in the future.
Hmm mate I've owned many phones. Whilst HTC are crap with updates..with the one x they did a good farewell. Sense 5 has bought life to it again. I had the HTC one..the hype wasn't deserved. It's still got a while yet. As for aosp..they never feel complete due to there camera
Besides who doesn't like upgrading. The only downfall with pure android is the goth colour scheme. Saying this I loved my gnex. The nexus 4 didn't compare.
Swings and roundabouts swings and roundabouts
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Very well written post. This time next year I'll have my next phone.
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I don't know, I hope that the HOX keeps getting updated through AOSP but our dev community is much smaller than it was before, what with most of our former kernel devs having quit or just disappeared, it seems like AOSP releases will be fewer and further between than before.
Don't forget that HTC isn't just bad with updates, they are also notoriously bad with kernel source releases, if i remember correctly it was very close to the 90 deadline when they released kernel source for the 4.1 update. and in the time leading up to that update and then subsequently waiting for source is when the majority of devs left.
The Hox is far from dead, there is no reason for Cyanogen mod or Maximus / ARHD roms to stop development soon, but my prediction is that in terms of community created content we won't see much that deviates from them.
it is a great boon for us that the Nexus 7 has the same chipset as us, however there are a lot of other parts at work in the HOX and many of them are not the same as the N7. This is probably why there are still some bugs in our AOSP roms, because it's not as simple as just porting from one device with the same chipset.
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It is almost completely obvious that Sense 5 with 4.2.2 is the last major update made by HTC.
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I don't think it is that simple. If nothing had changed between 2011 and 2013, your prediction would be spot-on, but that's not the case. Let me offer counterpoints to yours:
HTC has trimmed their line-up considerably, so they should absolutely be able to provide support for longer. People will be looking to their treatment of the One S/X/X+ to gauge how well the new One devices will be updated. You know that HTC's outlook isn't great, so they need to do everything they can to improve their image.
The One X+ is much newer, so not getting 4.3 would be incredibly disappointing. Since the One X is basically the same device, it would not require much effort to update it as well.
4.3 is apparently such a minor update that multiple manufacturers won't release the 4.2 updates they've been working on and instead go right to 4.3...
So I think it may very well be the case that we'll see more updates, at least 4.3 - unless HTC really doesn't want to survive as a company. But major Android updates (5.x) are out of the picture, that much is obvious and understandable.
(P.S.: When referring to the One S I mean the S4 version - if Qualcomm doesn't provide updates for their S3 processor any more, HTC can't realistically provide them either.)
I feel like the hox was the spiritual successor to the desire, the community surrounding it has a lot of enthusiastic fans that still see the potential in the phone, you never know what could occur?
Whether another update comes out or not I'm never selling this phone, actually so attached to it.
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The only semi official word we have so far is this
Jeff Gordon @urbanstrata 2h
@Libzzor Who says the One X won't get 4.3?
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https://twitter.com/urbanstrata/status/366803640503107584
HTC is generally known for a very naughty update policy. Look at our phones' little brother, HTC One V. It was released at the same time, but it never got any major update at all.
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HTC deals with flagships very differently to affordable low end products like One V so your comparison doesn't stand, if the device is upper end and sold well they will still give it better support
There've been no HTC Android phones that made it to the 5th major update (first digit in the firmware version number). It is very unlikely that One X could become an exception
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The One X was the first to make it to 4.x so who's to say it won't make it to 5.x, 4.3 is considered as minor / easy over 4.2.2 by HTC so why not
They have never supported a device like they gave to the One X, which shows how much they regard this device (they sold around 15 million of them)
Finally "naughty" stories like Desire HD and One S are to be blamed on suppliers failing to provide updated drivers
With all said and done, you can't blame them if they stop the support either, they have almost met their 18 months commitment
zute333 said:
I feel like the hox was the spiritual successor to the desire, the community surrounding it has a lot of enthusiastic fans that still see the potential in the phone, you never know what could occur?
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Nothing similar at all. However, One X is technically a successor to the Sensation, which community also looked exactly like the HOX community.
UPD: Updated the op-post, adding the information given by the forum members.
Assuming HTC continues to provide updates, what about people's warranties? Wouldn't a manufacturer cut off any non critical updates after most devices have gone off their original warranty period? Its been mostly a full year for the early adopters, has anyone got extended warranty or different policies (say EU and China with their 2-year legal enforcement?)
This of course affects no AOSP stuff since we pretty much gave up our warranties the day we unlocked the boot loader anyway, but we could probably refer to warranty lengths for a flagship device to see how much HTC will squeeze out of it.
There are no One X's on sale right now are they? Like brand new ones, not the secondhand market.
True, fair thought and points. Give you thumb up for this!
I wouldn't demand on a new firmware version number starting with 5.xx for edeavorU. If it does happened, it would be suprise with appreciation..
Here is my views of future updates from the perspective how update will be handles:-
Talking about possibly future 'major' HTC updates for HOX, we should first look onto how they decided to treat Android 4.3 to theirs newer flagships first since the strategy will much likely reflect down to us.
There is still unclear how HTC plan to handle Android 4.3, I mean wether it come with same Sense version or newer. The major overhaul's Sense 5 already extent itself through Android 4.1 and 4.2. Under HTC tradition, most likely they will bring Sense 5.1 / 5 Max (hmm.. learnt from X+'s case) with little polishing. Furthermore, Android 4.3 was known to be has minimal user facing changes.
"Lots of questions re 4.3 release for One. We r wrking hard (needs cert) to release 4.3 across all US, Canada skus by end Sept. DNA as well." --- Jason Mackenzie (@HTC US President)
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Taking the statement into account, obviously HTC has only left some little extra times and reasons to rush out Sense 5.5 nor Sense 6. Unless HTC really want to expense un-necessity major Sense version bump over high public expectance of new Android version.
If you have time do read this: Why Android Updates Are So Slow. Hardware manufacturers is what I wanna to talk on next. Luckly, HTC only uses major ARM processor makers to make phone, in case there are Qualcomm and nVidia. Both of them are also Google nexus partners present on nexus product catalogs. It means they are working closely since Google initiated their work on Android 4.3. In layman's term, there is no extra waiting time for HTC to wait for the arrival of Android 4.3 equivalent kernel sources. However, HTC might still need to wait for other component makers to update their libraries to match and work on new Android. Ironically, from technical standpoint there is reasons why Android 4.3 still named JellyBean. For those component makers they only had to deal with little obstacles because there is much lesser lower level changes on Android. We do know those hardware manufacturers is punctual for HTC One given that HTC One GPE's OTA is only 9 days behind. However, it is not always truth for non-first priority devices like HOX.
So what these all means? Android 4.3 may not impose heavy burden on HTC as many of us thoughts. (because they can actually skip 4.2 on some products too).
If HTC's update plan went smoothly as Jason Mackenzie stated, there will be more likely we might see yet another major firmware version bump. Albiet, we're incapable of getting OpenGL ES 3.0 support...
It seems to be coming closer to EOL buy in my country they still sell HTC One X for 400€ (2 years warranty) while the One costs 490€...
All good things must come to an end. When my HOX turns 2 it will be finding a new home via eBay, it doesn't appear to to be too far away as time flies when your having fun. Great device and still enjoying it, the only issue I will have is what to replace it with...... it has be just as reliable, more powerful and aesthetically pleasing which I think means I'll hold on to it at least 2 months longer whilst deciding.
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Assuming HTC continues to provide updates, what about people's warranties? Wouldn't a manufacturer cut off any non critical updates after most devices have gone off their original warranty period? Its been mostly a full year for the early adopters, has anyone got extended warranty or different policies (say EU and China with their 2-year legal enforcement?)
This of course affects no AOSP stuff since we pretty much gave up our warranties the day we unlocked the boot loader anyway, but we could probably refer to warranty lengths for a flagship device to see how much HTC will squeeze out of it.
There are no One X's on sale right now are they? Like brand new ones, not the secondhand market.
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Warranty presumes a proper device operation on the full length of the warranty, doesn't have to do anything with the software updates unless it's essential to keep the device in the condition stated in the warranty.
Just bought on eBay a One X 32gb white, for about 310€ in mint conditions (finger crossed) , because I was tired of my (excellent) Galaxy Nexus (18 months old) ... I want something more elegant ...
I'm sure we will see 2/3 months of Sense custom Roms with a lot of optimization based on latest update, then CM based roms for a long time ... At the moment on the market there is nothing so excellent that convinced me to spend the double (or little bit less) of what I spent for the HOX ...
The only thing I would like to see on the HOX soon or later is the Modaco switch like on the HTC One and now ported to the S4 ... Do you think it will be possible?
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furius said:
Just bought on eBay a One X 32gb white, for about 310€ in mint conditions (finger crossed) , because I was tired of my (excellent) Galaxy Nexus (18 months old) ... I want something more elegant ...
I'm sure we will see 2/3 months of Sense custom Roms with a lot of optimization based on latest update, then CM based roms for a long time ... At the moment on the market there is nothing so excellent that convinced me to spend the double (or little bit less) of what I spent for the HOX ...
The only thing I would like to see on the HOX soon or later is the Modaco switch like on the HTC One and now ported to the S4 ... Do you think it will be possible?
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Modaco Switch is made to switch to the OFFICIAL aosp build and connecting to the proper OTA branch.
Obviously it won't come to any other phones besides One and S4 since there's no other phones with the official AOSP firmware.
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Warranty presumes a proper device operation on the full length of the warranty, doesn't have to do anything with the software updates unless it's essential to keep the device in the condition stated in the warranty.
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Yep I know, but would a manufacturer hold onto providing updates if everyone's devices are already "expired" (in warranty sense)? I don't know about business strategy though, whether maintaining a long software update cycle would be better for further marketing and sales (It's certainly positive when it's existent, but what if it was lacking?)
An important issue delaying timely updates is all the testing, if we buy unlocked versions it's the manufacturer, otherwise add carrier to the list... I wouldn't expect a 5.x update (but I've been running stock/CM/Carbon/AOKP since day one) as long as all the drivers and sources are properly supplied...
And just dreaming, if HTC could S-OFF our phones after it decides to stop providing updates it would be so great
Sold the HOX to a mate, with the cash puchased a note 2 for the gf which in return I got her iphone 5. All I can say is android destroys ios! Battery wise iphone kills the HOX. Called my friend to see if he will let me buy it back but no luck....im back on ebay looking for a bargain HOX, I thought id never say this I miss sense.
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