for a general user like myself what are users opinions on performance an battery on a custom 4.2.1 toro rom vs the 4.1.1 factory image?(im kinda tired of flashing stuff!im turning into a crackflasher lol jus wana hear sum views on the topic)thinking of going stock rooted wit maybee jus a kernel?
I've been using muzzy's 4.2 rom for quite some time. His ROM is very close to stock and gets very nice battery life... best I've gotten since I left stock ICS a year ago. It may just be subjective but I think 4.2 is quicker and smoother than 4.1 also. My 2 cents.
I've been using Android for years now and I'm a huge Linux geek, but does the TouchWiz kernel really make that much of a performance improvement over an AOSP kernel, or is it other things also? When I first got my S4 I was amazed at how fast TW was out of the box, I stuck with it a few days and then went on to AOSP roms. I stayed on AOSP roms for about a week or two and things started to feel slower.
(before anyone flames me, I know benchmark scores don't mean a lot but they are a decent performance measurement) Just for the hell of it I ran Quadrant Advanced OC'd to 1.9 GHz and got a max of 7,000; I was having call quality issues to I decided to switch back to a TW rom, I was using either Wicked or Infamous S4 and while I had it loaded I ran Quadrant and got a whopping 12,700 which blew my mind! After the GE rom came out I was running that for about a week and was getting the same score. I didn't test it on the 4.3 leak though, which is apparently AOSP and not a stripped down TW rom.
So what is it about TW based roms that accounts for the huge difference in performance? Not only are my benchmark scores about 5,000-6,000 points higher, it also feels snappier while opening up programs and changing orientations. Are there a bunch of drivers/kernel modules that are missing or are hacked together in the AOSP roms/kernels that aren't nearly as good as the ones in the "official" roms?
Actually that is not true, I have seen some fast aosp roms out there, it is kernel related, experiment with a different kernel, you will see the results change.
brando56894 said:
So what is it about TW based roms that accounts for the huge difference in performance? Not only are my benchmark scores about 5,000-6,000 points higher, it also feels snappier while opening up programs and changing orientations. Are there a bunch of drivers/kernel modules that are missing or are hacked together in the AOSP roms/kernels that aren't nearly as good as the ones in the "official" roms?
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I wouldn't say they're missing or hacked together, but Samsung has all the sources for their devices. Not just the kernel source, but also all the inner workings of the SoCs they're programming for. They have all the information needed to maximize the performance of the devices the make. AOSP roms don't have this luxury.
Think of it like graphics drivers in the Linux world. You can use nvidia's driver blobs (TW roms), or you can use F/OSS developed Nouveau drivers (AOSP).
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Actually that is not true, I have seen some fast aosp roms out there, it is kernel related, experiment with a different kernel, you will see the results change.
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I never said that it happened on all of the devices that I've had. In most cases the AOSP roms were almost always faster.
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I wouldn't say they're missing or hacked together, but Samsung has all the sources for their devices. Not just the kernel source, but also all the inner workings of the SoCs they're programming for. They have all the information needed to maximize the performance of the devices the make. AOSP roms don't have this luxury.
Think of it like graphics drivers in the Linux world. You can use nvidia's driver blobs (TW roms), or you can use F/OSS developed Nouveau drivers (AOSP).
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Yea I figured it was something like that. Thanks. Boo for closed source stuff
Just for fun I'm going to keep a running tally of quadrant benchmarks in here.
Score: 7762
Rom: RevoltJB v4.4 Stable
Kernel: Chronic Kernel 3.4.50 7/2
CPU: max 1.89 GHz performance governor
GPU: 504 performance governor
Score: 13191
Rom: Infamous S4 Google Edition v3
Kernel: Ktoonsez 3.4.0-KT-SGS4
CPU: max 1.998 GHz performance governor
GPU: 504 MHz performance governor
Quadrant scores mean absolutely nothing in terms of how fast a ROM/kernel is. You're basically using a random number generator to base your idea of speed on. TW ROMs are slow as hell when compared to AOSP.
task650 said:
Quadrant scores mean absolutely nothing in terms of how fast a ROM/kernel is. You're basically using a random number generator to base your idea of speed on. TW ROMs are slow as hell when compared to AOSP.
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Bench marks aren't completely useless or else companies that review tech products wouldn't use them at all (I'm not speaking necessarily about Android). They do vary by a few hundred points but they do give you a ballpark range. Have you tried out the Google Edition rom yet? It's easy faster than any AOSP rom I've ever used.
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I've been using the GE ROM since it leaked and my phone runs circles around my brothers TW galaxy s4. *shrugs
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fuego77 said:
I've been using the GE ROM since it leaked and my phone runs circles around my brothers TW galaxy s4. *shrugs
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I don't have another one to test against, but they feel equally fast to me.
AOSP and AOKP ROMS are by far much smoother. I believe its to do with the lower size of the OS, theres just much fewer processes, and not as much detailing in the menus which just creates smoother overall transitions and a good experience. My only crutch against them are that they heat my Galaxy S4 so much, and i don't know why it would be so, but on TW my device can idle in the 30's, heats to 40's/50's under medium-heavy load and goes up to about 65 when gaming for long periods of time.
On AOKP and AOSP in the same situations i wont ever idle below 50 degrees, moderate usage brings it to mid-high 60's and heavy usage it constantly throttles at 70, and when i disabled my throttle it heated up to 80 so quick that i got scared and quickly turned it back on. All these temps are in C.
I found on the Galaxy S3 that AOKP ran much cooler than it did on the S4, and its just the temps on those ROMS are what keeps me on Touchwiz as my daily driver. Its bad on the battery life and bad on the feel when your phone is warm no matter what you do, yet i love the whole neatness and smoothness of AOKP.
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AOSP and AOKP ROMS are by far much smoother
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That's not what I've experienced on my S4. The Google Edition (which is TW based) runs circles around Carbon and RevoltJB, I haven't tried pure CM or AOKP yet though.
I*experimented the same problem concerning performance and high temperature on S4 on AOSP*roms.
I opened a issue on CM (CYAN-1768) and SlimRom (SlimRoms/device_samsung_jfltetmo/issues/2) issue tracker.
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I*experimented the same problem concerning performance and high temperature on S4 on AOSP*roms.
I opened a issue on CM (CYAN-1768) and SlimRom (SlimRoms/device_samsung_jfltetmo/issues/2) issue tracker.
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Because people do not know that ODEXING a ROM optimizes it. Most members see "deodexed" on the title of the zip and believe it will be faster than odex version. *sigh*
But none of them are faster than the new LiquidSmooth rom it's blazing fast. I have used it on my S2 and S3 but this is the fastest aosp rom out easily.
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I'm on tasks AOKP and its really fast. Every aosp ROM in general I have tried are faster.
I have never seen an aosp rom be "faster" than stock, and that's on all my phones. I used to like cm/aokp but they always have bugs, whether it's small or big, they always have bugs. On the S3 and on the S4 I have flashed aosp roms but always end up coming back to tw. Tw>aosp
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But none of them are faster than the new LiquidSmooth rom it's blazing fast. I have used it on my S2 and S3 but this is the fastest aosp rom out easily.
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I'm on tasks AOKP and its really fast. Every aosp ROM in general I have tried are faster.
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These are 2 very very fast roms... best aosp roms ive used. But, bottom line, samsung has stepped their game up and made tw work like a custom rom itself. Aside from the 600mb+ of stock bloat, this phone is perfect out if the box
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These are 2 very very fast roms... best aosp roms ive used. But, bottom line, samsung has stepped their game up and made tw work like a custom rom itself. Aside from the 600mb+ of stock bloat, this phone is perfect out if the box
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Say what??? Perfect out of the box no way.. and the tw theme it comes with is terrible looking as well.
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Say what??? Perfect out of the box no way.. and the tw theme it comes with is terrible looking as well.
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Lol ok
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Lol ok
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I mean l love the phone how I have it now but I guess to each his own. TW just doesn't work for me. The best TW rom I have seen that is themed and looks gteat is DeathStar but that's just my opinion. Personally I have never kept a stock rom on any phone I have ever had because of the limitations with it and the usual stock bull that comes with it.
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I mean l love the phone how I have it now but I guess to each his own. TW just doesn't work for me. The best TW rom I have seen that is themed and looks gteat is DeathStar but that's just my opinion. Personally I have never kept a stock rom on any phone I have ever had because of the limitations with it and the usual stock bull that comes with it.
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I always use custom roms as well... usually the ones i cook myself (see sig) but I'm just saying that there aren't as many mods or whatnot to add to this phone because of how nice it is on stock. Like u said... to each his own.
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Hi,
I just flashed the latest omega rom yesterday on my N7100 and I am having very bad performance and stuttering in the menus (antutu 11000 vs 14000 before). Also the battery consuption in very bad. Phone seems a bit hotter than usual.
Everything was just fine when I was stock on Revolution HD. Do someone know what's wrong ?
Why not ask in the Omega thread?
Different roms have different tweaks, you just need to find one which suits you.
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Hi All,
I'm sure many of you checked out the Android 4.3 / Nexus / etc. announcement today.
OpenGL ES 3.0 is being touted as one of the big features of 4.3. I did a quick search and noticed that our phone w/ the Adreno 225 does not support OpenGL 3.0.
I'm curious - how do you guys think this will affect our experience for this particular Android version (assuming we eventually get it from Samsung... :fingers-crossed? I'm trying to understand if the graphics / battery life improvements are dependent on GL 3.0 or not.
Thoughts?
Doubtful sammy will update the S3 with 4.3, I'm interested in what the AOSP devs do with this version though.
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Doubtful sammy will update the S3 with 4.3, I'm interested in what the AOSP devs do with this version though.
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That'd be pretty brutal. Even the GS2 went from 2.3 -> 4.0 -> 4.1.
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Doubtful sammy will update the S3 with 4.3, I'm interested in what the AOSP devs do with this version though.
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Me too
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One of the other "perks" of 4.3 is support for Bluetooth low energy.
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The galaxy sIV will almost certainly be getting 4.3, so I think the galaxy sIII will too. But it will be missing a few of those features ofcouse. Thought when using samsung roms, it doesn't really feel like I'm missing anything.
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That'd be pretty brutal. Even the GS2 went from 2.3 -> 4.0 -> 4.1.
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The S3 has gone from 4.0.4, 4.1.1 and 4.1.2. I would love to see even 4.2.2 on the S3. From what I've read there have been speed bumps along the way for TW for whatever reason.
If 4.3 is that much different than 4.2.2, I seems presumably less feasible that they'll have a chance at getting to work with TW.
Fortunately 4.3 is only fairly minor, under the hood changes
I just really hope that our phones don't get killed on 4.1.2
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The S3 has gone from 4.0.4, 4.1.1 and 4.1.2. I would love to see even 4.2.2 on the S3. From what I've read there have been speed bumps along the way for TW for whatever reason.
If 4.3 is that much different than 4.2.2, I seems presumably less feasible that they'll have a chance at getting to work with TW.
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I suppose my argument was the SII had 2+ full API-level updates. The SIII has only had 1. (4.03-04 to 4.1.x).
If Samsung has problems getting TW working properly with new versions of android, they are going to have some big problems on their hands, at least with more knowledgeable / enthusiast users.
The crystal ball is showing GSM nexus devices in my future instead of this bullocks ...
No 4.2.2 for S3 will go straight to 4.3 and it will end there.
I'll believe it when it happens.
Also, OP, there are like 5 threads related to 4.3 in some way now
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CNexus said:
I'll believe it when it happens.
Also, OP, there are like 5 threads related to 4.3 in some way now
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so did the s3 ever get OpenGL ES 3.0 or not by 4.4.2?