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What is it about TouchWiz that is so bad?

I'm just curious about why Stock TouchWiz releases or TW custom ROMs get such a bad rap here at xda?
I do love AOSP or CM custom ROMs and all their customizability but I do also like some of the TW features and layouts, etc...
I'm just curious if I'm missing something here and if there are inherent bugs, flaws, etc with TW ROMs that make them rather unpopular?
Or is this simply personal preference again and one that has a big consensus majority here for whatever reasons?
Thanks
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I think it's mainly preferences. I prefer mess gimmicky functions so I flashed cm10. It feels like I'm using less battery regardless if I actually am or not.
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Deoxlar said:
I think it's mainly preferences. I prefer mess gimmicky functions so I flashed cm10. It feels like I'm using less battery regardless if I actually am or not.
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The camera is the only reason why I refuse to leave TW, it's simply better. TW itself isn't that bad at all either.

I agree on this one and it's better stock features. But I hated cm intill I gave it three days now I love it snapper more basic features customizable and support now there are things that I hate speakerphone doesn't work can't find task manager I don't get why it's not there like touchwiz but I'm a noob so I think these issues will resolve themselves over time with me understanding how to use root explorer nova launcher etc.
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Yea... i'd have to say the camera is my biggest draw towards sticking with a TouchWiz based ROM. Touchwiz has a nice camera.... yet CM/AOKP seem to have far superior battery life.
I wouldn't exactly say that Touchwiz ROM's get a bad rep here. I mean... look at how many there are.

Its strictly preference. Tw doesn't offer as much user customization, whereas most aosp based roms do. I've tried both, i like both.

megagodx said:
The camera is the only reason why I refuse to leave TW, it's simply better. TW itself isn't that bad at all either.
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elementaldragon said:
Yea... i'd have to say the camera is my biggest draw towards sticking with a TouchWiz based ROM. Touchwiz has a nice camera.... yet CM/AOKP seem to have far superior battery life.
I wouldn't exactly say that Touchwiz ROM's get a bad rep here. I mean... look at how many there are.
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I just restored back to stock ICS after running CM10 for 10 days. I really dig the camera on TW.
Another thing I like about TW is the Contacts integration with Swiping Left to Text / Right to Call. I noticed this was the biggest thing that I was missing when using CM10.
Other than that, I don't use any of the Social integration, so I wouldn't know about that.

elementaldragon said:
Yea... i'd have to say the camera is my biggest draw towards sticking with a TouchWiz based ROM. Touchwiz has a nice camera.... yet CM/AOKP seem to have far superior battery life.
I wouldn't exactly say that Touchwiz ROM's get a bad rep here. I mean... look at how many there are.
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I was getting 5 hours of screen time using LTE for most the day and almost 6 hours (5.58) using just Wi-Fi. This was on TouchWiz with the standard 2,100 mAh battery on a TW JB leak ROM. Not to mention a bunch of widgets on my home screen. CM10/ASKP really tops that?

megagodx said:
The camera is the only reason why I refuse to leave TW, it's simply better. TW itself isn't that bad at all either.
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Same here! I have tried many ROMS in the past week. I loved many of them..AOKP...CM..but the one thing that kills it for me is the camera. The stock camera is great. Cant even find anything comparable in the play store to use with another ROM

only thing i hate about TW is that it is BUTT UGLY. It still looks like gingerbread still... I understand that green uses less power than blue, but the rest of the UI is just really bad. I am staying with stock only because of camera quality, dock compatibility, and allshare cast compatibility. If it werent for those things, I wouldve stayed on my Galaxy Nexus

megagodx said:
I was getting 5 hours of screen time using LTE for most the day and almost 6 hours (5.58) using just Wi-Fi. This was on TouchWiz with the standard 2,100 mAh battery on a TW JB leak ROM. Not to mention a bunch of widgets on my home screen. CM10/ASKP really tops that?
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Well.... i didn't really use my phone heavily today..... but about 17.5 hours on battery with about an hour and a half of screen on time, and it's still at 47%.

elementaldragon said:
I wouldn't exactly say that Touchwiz ROM's get a bad rep here. I mean... look at how many there are.
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i tried to do a search over in the Android Dev section on 'TouchWiz', but i didn't see too many.
the one that stood out to me was JellyBean747 Milestone 7 Graystone Edition.
i would like to switch back to TouchWiz, but only if its JellyBean. either 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.1.2, any suggestions?
edit: also found FrostyJB_4.1.1-v3~[10.24.2012]

Uh... EVERY Rom in the android dev section is based on Touchwiz.
As for a recommendation... drewgaren's Serenity Rom is quite nice... haven't tried his Milestone 7 Rom yet, but I used previous Milestone versions and also had no issues. Difference between the Milestone roms and Serenity is that Serenity is built off of the stock Galaxy Note 2 Rom, whereas the Milestones are based on GS3 leaks.

Getting my Note 2 tomorrow - ROM recommendations?

Currently using a GSM Galaxy Nexus with SlimBean, and I've used ParanoidAndroid recently but ultimately didn't like it due to the size of the screen. I'd prefer a ROM that maintains (or doesn't break) most of the stock features (S-Pen and Bluetooth/Apt-X particularly), and I've heard MIUI is good in that regard; I haven't used it in the past (on my Galaxy Nexus of G2) because I always found it too laggy and too high on RAM usage, but I've always liked the overall look/feel and features. Something that isn't too hard to get working with tethering (without the plan obviously) would be nice too.
Anyway, recommendations? I'd appreciate reasons for the recommendation too, and something more than just "great battery life" (which I appreciate, but with the size of the phone battery and how often I'm near a charger, it's literally the least of my concern). Thanks!

Stock. No, seriously.

I would recommend using jedi master 9 or tweaked 1.3, both are debloated with lots of customization options. I'm up to around 5gb of tethering for the month and I don't have that on my plan right now so I would say to go that route!
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I think my tastes are similar to you. I've tried all the ROMs, from AOSP/AOKP, CM10, MIUI, ICS & Jellybean and, for me, "myrom" V 3.5 (4) is top notch. I haven't tried tethering, but other forum participants report it works well.
It's an Aroma installer, weighing in at 1.5GHz so all apps are available to install or reject, including custom installation. Its super fast and remarkably stable.
An alternative is Jedi (xx), although it's not my favorite.
I've combinted "myrom" with Xone kernel at 2.0 GHz It makes the fast even faster and battery usage isn't too bad, but I'll bet stock kernel is damned good.

Myrom hands down! !!!
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Be aware that some roms are missing seriously important features like snote, Wifi calling, multi Window, pen button support, etc
I'd just go for the tweaked tmobile specific touchwiz roms. But then, I require Wifi calling.
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ericshmerick said:
Stock. No, seriously.
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While I don't mind Touchwiz, I'd hate to be missing so many standard ROM options.
heWHOshallNOTbeNAMED said:
I would recommend using jedi master 9 or tweaked 1.3, both are debloated with lots of customization options. I'm up to around 5gb of tethering for the month and I don't have that on my plan right now so I would say to go that route!
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I think my tastes are similar to you. I've tried all the ROMs, from AOSP/AOKP, CM10, MIUI, ICS & Jellybean and, for me, "myrom" V 3.5 (4) is top notch. I haven't tried tethering, but other forum participants report it works well.
It's an Aroma installer, weighing in at 1.5GHz so all apps are available to install or reject, including custom installation. Its super fast and remarkably stable.
An alternative is Jedi (xx), although it's not my favorite.
I've combinted "myrom" with Xone kernel at 2.0 GHz It makes the fast even faster and battery usage isn't too bad, but I'll bet stock kernel is damned good.
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How are any of those three with Samsung/S-Pen features?
bradsh1 said:
Be aware that some roms are missing seriously important features like snote, Wifi calling, multi Window, pen button support, etc
I'd just go for the tweaked tmobile specific touchwiz roms. But then, I require Wifi calling.
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Is there a list of ROMs off the stock base or that have most of the stock features, S-Pen particularly? Out of what you listed, pen features and multi window are probably the only two I care most about.

I just got my Note 2 four days ago and I've been running JediXX. I love it. Wasn't really a big fan of TW roms with my SGS2 but on the Note 2 its pretty tight.
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Jedi xx is my favorite
C.S.

OP, TBH I recommend just trying them for yourself, take a run thru the ROM threads, read and read. See what catches your eye, then test. Thanks

AOSP Roms vs Stock Touchwiz on the Note 2

So had my note 2 for a couple of months now, and love it. I'm using stock (but rooted) 4.1.1.
I've got Apex launcher and most icons and stuff skinned to AOSP, though I miss some of the AOSP apps and the look and feel around the device of AOSP.
What would I miss if I left touchwiz? The rom needs to be *rock solid* stable as well - I'm only moving if it feels as smooth as stock!
Suggestions?

from my experience:
Stock advantages:
better Camera, Camcorder with slow motion video, everything regarding Spen that is going beyond simple gestures, Spen software even though you can get replacements for that (like Papyrus instead of SNote), Allshare Cast and working MHL and HDMI output through dock, multiwindow
AOSP advantages:
faster Speed, newer Android version including its features (for 4.2.2 you get lockscreen widgets for example), open community with many innovative design ideas like PIE Navigation or PA hybrid engine and the like, AOSP look (if that's your thing, it is for me), a lot less bloatware -> choose what you want to install
They are both as stable as anything you can get in terms of ROMs. In the end it's a question of what features you want to have, if you can live without the Samsung exclusive stuff or not.

+1 mrruin
I love aosp roms but im sticking to Tw rom just for the sake of camera features. .
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Which is the most stable AOSP rom? Carbon looks nice though there's no bug list or tracker that I can find?
Also just found my device has the SDS chip so not going to be doing anything while I'm still in warranty

Imo liquid smooth is the best.U can also try slim bean 3 !
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In general I find battery life a lot better on stock roms rather than AOSP.

Honestly, you'd miss a hell lot. It would just be another phone with massive screen with AOSP. I mean sure, you get the stock android experience and all that jazz, but on Note II, I would highly recommend sticking to TW based roms.
You'd miss: A hell lot of SPen features (like Airview), Multitasking, Motion, Camera app, S Note, other apps like Polaris Office if you use that. And from my experience, far more bug free than AOSP roms - again, that's purely my experience, might be way off here.
Just get a good AOSP themed TW based ROM and AOSP apps. I'm using Project AOSP now, AllianceROM is good too, from what I hear.

I like Touchwiz based roms on this phone a lot more, not back in the s1 and s2 days, cm was way better, but now Samsung finally got there act together.
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best aosp for me - carbon ... they got nightly version as well haha
best tw based - ARHD or Wanam or Monxdified (cant go wrong with any of them)
best mix of both world - project aosp

I can confirm alliance ROM. I'm running it on a Verizon note 2 and it is the business! Keep coming back to it even during my own confusion on if I should run aosp or touchwiz
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I love aosp's thats what im using on my nexus 4, lol like i have a choice
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Personally I think you should stick to stock. All the hardware works properly then, especially the camera which has always been a problem with the open source ROMS. You DO end up with more memory and less "blo
In fact jonatton has already said it all clearly.
I'm a firm believer in the statement "My phone with custom ASOP runs so much faster, now that half the features don't work properly!!"

ASOP was a good choice on a lot of older phones where the stock ui was too heavy for the hardware. The Note II is not one of those phones. It's such a mighty beast that nothing much can really slow it down. Has anyone actually been able to fill the ram up yet? Not me that's for sure.
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I have to agree that the Note 2 is a better phone running Touchwiz based ROMs. When I initially rooted my phone I went with the Note-orious Prime ROM with the Note2 Core kernel. I then decided to try another ROM so I ran my Note 2 on Pacman, Paranoid Android 3.
Sure the Paranoid ROM was amazing in its customization and had a buttery smoothness, but thats it.
I lost all pen features, s-voice which actually works brilliantly for me. I had random weird system issues. The camera sucked. Lost all voice command capabilities.
The other day I had enough, flipped back to Note-orious Prime and now wont look back.
The way I look at it is that it isnt bloatware if you actually use it.
EDIT: to add I also had atrocious battery life with the paranoid rom compared to the touchwiz.

Interesting thread.
I also might start off with a TW based ROM.
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+1 .....yup ....you are right ....hardware support is must ....im ARHD v17 ..best rom ever...few days ago posted the same post but some, so called critc's who think they are Developers ....did not like it at all :banghead:
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Been messing around with note 2 roms, and I too must say that stock tw feels best for me. I thought I don't care much for Sammy stock bloatware, but as I installed AOSP roms I started to miss my s note, air view, s Pen gestures etc. Now I tend to stick with tw based. Love phoenix, bobcat, arhd, wanamlite and assassin.
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to add on to what's already been said I've actually been bouncing back & fourth from AOSP to TW & I've ran into a little issue that has me staying with TW for permanent although I love the DPI options you get on AOSP the most important feature for me was that my Beats headphones would barely work on Aosp I'd always get complaints from people saying they could barely hear me..never happens on TW though..

*Yawn* Another best ROM thread
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For those who moved from TW to AOSP: thoughts?

Got my S4 a couple days ago and flashed AOKP within an hour. I thought the TW bundled with the phone was pretty damn smooth, but AOKP is just insane. It's like something out of a commercial where there's zero lag, but it's not a commercial, it's the actual phone in your hands. When I hit voice search, it pops up INSTANTLY. I've had a couple soft reboots when hitting recent apps from a frozen app, but I'm sure those will be ironed out. I'm not sure the camera pictures I've taken have looked as nice, though. It's hard to tell.
For those of you who made the move from TW to an AOSP-based ROM, what are your thoughts? Has anyone moved back to TW?

I've never used anything but aosp on any phone. Be it cyanogen or aokp or pure aosp.
With my previous HTC devices it was a no brainer to dump Sense ROMs and replace them with anything else. Even my Samsung tablet that came with TW didn't last long but that was because I wanted Jelly Bean on it before the official upgrade came out so TW was gone within 2 days on my tablet. So I've been using aosp for a year and a half without interruption.
When I first turned on my S4 I was shocked at how cluttered everything was. Having been used to aosp I didn't understand how anyone could use this phone as it comes out of the box. There was a new alert every 8 seconds. The notification window was constantly filled with stuff I couldn't have cared less about. Status bar was filled with icons that had no meaning to me. The only feature I thought was really cool was the T Mobile account monitor in the notification window. Everything else was just clutter. Granted, much of that was carrier bloat.
It took me 20 minutes to test all the hardware and make sure the device was not in. Need of an exchange before I rooted it and ever that was kind of painful with the TW interface. I flashed Cyanogen and am not looking back.
Oh, and despite all that about TouchWiz that I didn't like...its about a billion times better than HTC Sense.
I will say that on my unbranded Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 tablet that is WiFi only and there for completely unbranded with no bloat, the pure TouchWiz interface it came with was very nice. It was much less cluttered and more usable. Just not as configurable as aosp.
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I guess its universal AOSP are always smoother to bloated TouchWiz. I personally prefer TW (yes call me crazy ) Either you love TW or you hate it there's no other option TW with all its goodies is lot cooler than what it used to be..
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I've also noticed AOSP feels much faster... virtually no lag to be found. One thing that I have noticed though, and it may be something I'm not doing right with my settings, but TW seems to get better battery life than AOSP. I like TW for certain features such as the camera quality and one or two of the gimmicky features; but halo, unbridled speed, and customization possibilities with AOSP makes it a hard decision of which to stay with.

Overall i find most of the touchwiz features just unnecessary bloatware that you really dont need, thats more for showing off that your phone can do it over actually being practical to keep on all the time. I really like the general smoothness of AOKP much better than touchwiz, but in some areas such as the camera, AOKP really lacks in that department compared to the stock camera app, and i find 3D applications don't perform quite as well as they do on Touchwiz either, and i think most of these issues are probably more driver related than anything.

I used aokp on my s2 and loved it because it doesnt have any samsung goodness like s3 and s4 but on this devices I use TW to utilize full function.
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For those of you who uses AOSP/AOKP/w.e else ....what do you use as alternative camera/gallery? What i love about Samsung is their gallery and camera. I have found mods that transfer AOSP camera / gallery to TW but never vice versa.

I tried Aosp roms on my s3 and s4. I always end up back on tw cuz aosp roms are never 100% stable. The last time I actually stayed on aosp was with my Motorola Triumph and that's because the triumph was stuck on froyo and Cm7 was pretty stable.
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Okay, the big question:
Is it possible to use Watch ON (or smart remote, etc) on AOSP/AOKP/Cyanogen/etc? or is this limited to touchwiz only?
As for camera quality, I expect that to start changing for the better once the Nexusized GS4 gets released

adventure_of_link said:
Okay, the big question:
Is it possible to use Watch ON (or smart remote, etc) on AOSP/AOKP/Cyanogen/etc? or is this limited to touchwiz only?
As for camera quality, I expect that to start changing for the better once the Nexusized GS4 gets released
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Probably TW only
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adventure_of_link said:
Okay, the big question:
Is it possible to use Watch ON (or smart remote, etc) on AOSP/AOKP/Cyanogen/etc? or is this limited to touchwiz only?
As for camera quality, I expect that to start changing for the better once the Nexusized GS4 gets released
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It is in the Play store so I would think so. Try it out and let Us know
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It is in the Play store so I would think so. Try it out and let Us know
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I'm pretty curious about this myself. From what I've heard AOKP/AOSP doesn't have the software to utilize the IR blaster, but I could always be wrong. I use TW , but will almost always run Nova launcher for customization.
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Skipjacks said:
Probably TW only
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that's what I thought. thanks.
Oh well, just another reason why I said once before on how I'm happy with my phone's OS as/is.

adventure_of_link said:
Okay, the big question:
Is it possible to use Watch ON (or smart remote, etc) on AOSP/AOKP/Cyanogen/etc? or is this limited to touchwiz only?
As for camera quality, I expect that to start changing for the better once the Nexusized GS4 gets released
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According to Cyanogen, the source code for that isn't proprietary. He wants to see what other devs come up with.
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blackknightavalon said:
According to Cyanogen, the source code for that isn't proprietary. He wants to see what other devs come up with.
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The source code for the software might not be, but I think it is for the IR hardware. I know on the Samsung tablets that have an IR blaster they don't work in CM because the hardware drivers are proprietary.
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Ive been running CM10.1 and just switched to SlimBean. I never once missed the new features of TW. The abilities of AOSP far outweigh them in my opinion.

Tw all the way..
I have no issues or lag... I was a big fan of liquid smooth for a bit but I went back to stock
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for the people that switched
if u change to custom roms do u get any more space out of the sd card?? also does cyanogyn get better battery than stock cus i have ****ty battery life unrooted atm with stock

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if u change to custom roms do u get any more space out of the sd card?? also does cyanogyn get better battery than stock cus i have ****ty battery life unrooted atm with stock
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No to the extra sd space.
Possibly yes to the battery life. It greatly depends on how you set it up and what features you do and don't activate. Also the cm builds are nightly builds, which means any given one of them could have randomly crappy battery life due to a glitch or something. These have been great builds lately but that can always happen with nightlies. That aside though...yes you should get better battery life
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thanks, i will get a custom rom soon and try it out. this whole thing is just boggling my mind haha. at one point it was draining at around a percent a minute and i just came back from the gym, was listening to music the whole time on my headphones and using voice to control it and in those 45 mins i didnt lose a single percent of battery smh

[Q] Fastest thing in Galaxy Nexus

Hi!
Do you know what ROM is the fastest (with better performance) for our Nexus? I don't care if it is Stock or Custom, all I want is the better performance/battery life rom possible.
I am now with CM11 unoficial by playfulgod and I like it because it is 4.4, but the phone takes too long to open the apps and lags a little bit in fast transactions....
EDIT: I also don't care about the version, 4.4, 4.3, 4.2, 4.1, anything... the changes are minimal from 4.1 to 4.3 and 4.4 has its pros and cons

Flash and find out. Thats your best option.

Edit: Wrong section. Sorry. How the h*ll did i end up in Galaxy Nexus section.

I'm using CM official nightlies and find it quite good. I found 4.3 faster but like others have said it's a case of trying different rom / kernel combinations. What works well for me night not be much good for you and vice versa. A lot of different factors come into play. Apps used, background apps etc.
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badboy47 said:
I am using N5 Port with Franco Kernel. Its very fast with great battery life. Every kernel has its own pros and cons. Try different kernels.
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YOU ARE POINTING HIM TO A NEXUS 4 ROM! :banghead:
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all roms give the fastest and good performance.. its all depend on you.
so far after 1 week experiments.
i use gnex + extended battery + slimkat 4.4.1 + A.S.K.P kernel + odexed + run perfomance scripts + tweak build prop = superb. already 4 hour screen on... with over 50% balance battery..
galaxy nexus i9250

I have just flashed Gummy's 4.4 rom just trying it out from BelieveRom. I was looking for something faster with some of the new features and this had most of them. Real smooth so far with steady battery use on stock kernel. Will try some other kernels to see if it will add the butter.

I'm running swordrune10's cm11 its pretty good

memaro_maro said:
all roms give the fastest and good performance.. its all depend on you.
so far after 1 week experiments.
i use gnex + extended battery + slimkat 4.4.1 + A.S.K.P kernel + odexed + run perfomance scripts + tweak build prop = superb. already 4 hour screen on... with over 50% balance battery..
galaxy nexus i9250
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Care to lay out all the tweaked build prop, performance scripts? How big is this extended battery? Is it the one from Verizon that Samsung made or is it one of those big 3,000+ sized ones that makes the phone super thick? seeing 4 hours of screen on time and only half battery used seems too good to be true.

thanks guys!
I will try a few roms here and give you the feedback later

The performance were only good on 4.1.2

dsummitt said:
Care to lay out all the tweaked build prop, performance scripts? How big is this extended battery? Is it the one from Verizon that Samsung made or is it one of those big 3,000+ sized ones that makes the phone super thick? seeing 4 hours of screen on time and only half battery used seems too good to be true.
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im use the super big extended battery.. 4000 mah.. its big but worth it.
i dont like to use power bank as alternative.
im using pure performance™ scripts.. but carefull in scripting, it may cause overwrite the existing build.prop.
additional of using performance control. apk> download from fdroid repo. its seem to be easy to use for tweaking ram performance. especially for noob likes me.
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galaxy nexus i9250

Thats pretty nice. It seems way big for me though. I'm not a make the phones a slim as you can kind of person, but i do like a happy medium.

Vanir is pretty smooth and fast. Battery isn't greatest but performance kicks ass on my toro. 4.4 flies but still has black boxes

Yes, Vanir is very smooth. But the most important is to install custom kernel. For now the best are ASKP and Mpokang SuperRAM. If you install one of these kernels, i think every ROM will be smooth.
I suggest to try MetalOmni - very fast 4.4 ROM.

ITS ALL YOUR OPINION. FLASH AND FIND OUT. These threads arent even allowed. And on top of that: how would you feel if you had put alot of effort into making a ROM and people dont like it because its "slow". Just try and find out seriously. Youre maybe the 100th with this thread. This will probably be closed in a couple of days.
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well, then I will have to flash all the roms there are to see for myself which one is the best in terms of speed. considering that there are at least 5 different roms just for 4.4 and for 4.3 (and previous) there are much more roms... I would need to flash about 20 roms (or more) and test them at least a day or two to see which ones are better... By my calculations, I will need at least 1 month. Considering that android isn't my life, I have many other things more important to do, I will spend more than a month doing that testing thing...
So, do you really think I can test them all for myself? Shouldn't I ask here for names of the best roms in terms of speed that many members have tested? This way I will only test the 3/4 most mentioned, not the all 20. I know that the developers do a lot of work in their roms, but there are ones better than others for many things, I don't think the developer of rom X would mind if I prefer the rom Y from other developer because it is faster. Maybe the rom X has more options and other things, but lacks in speed, so the developer of rom X isn't interested in making a rom for speed, it isn't inferior to the other rom, just different.
If this thread is locked, even finding it unfair and kind of stupid, I don't really care. I already got a few opinions and I'm testing some roms here. Thanks a lot for the ones who helped me and aswered this thread.

Rayaxe said:
well, then I will have to flash all the roms there are to see for myself which one is the best in terms of speed. considering that there are at least 5 different roms just for 4.4 and for 4.3 (and previous) there are much more roms... I would need to flash about 20 roms (or more) and test them at least a day or two to see which ones are better... By my calculations, I will need at least 1 month. Considering that android isn't my life, I have many other things more important to do, I will spend more than a month doing that testing thing...
So, do you really think I can test them all for myself? Shouldn't I ask here for names of the best roms in terms of speed that many members have tested? This way I will only test the 3/4 most mentioned, not the all 20. I know that the developers do a lot of work in their roms, but there are ones better than others for many things, I don't think the developer of rom X would mind if I prefer the rom Y from other developer because it is faster. Maybe the rom X has more options and other things, but lacks in speed, so the developer of rom X isn't interested in making a rom for speed, it isn't inferior to the other rom, just different.
If this thread is locked, even finding it unfair and kind of stupid, I don't really care. I already got a few opinions and I'm testing some roms here. Thanks a lot for the ones who helped me and aswered this thread.
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You want the fastest and super smooth? OmniMetal (ROM come with Mpokang kernel). You will be happy and let me know how it works out..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2532320

Gummy AOSP 4.4 ROM with Mpokang kernel SuperRam!
The fastest of all. Mpokang kernel is miles ahead of other kernels. Most RAM and fastest performer!

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Gummy AOSP 4.4 ROM with Mpokang kernel SuperRam!
The fastest of all. Mpokang kernel is miles ahead of other kernels. Most RAM and fastest performer!
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Well, you got me curious.
I am currently testing SlimKat ROM and it looks fast enough for me.
Unfortunaly, it's still on beta (4.4 KitKat), so you might expect a few bugs.
Still, it's a good ROM, in my opinion.