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Is the Evo capable of N?
no only b/g
does it have wifi n chip, and just not enabled like the N1? or it's not even capable of 802.11n?
The chip is more than likely capable with 802.11n but also more than likely not enabled. I belive ALL of HTC's Snapdragon offerings are paired with the BCM4329, since the EVO has Bluetooth+FM Radio+Snapdragon it's 99% likely it has Wireless N
Cool hopefully a teardown will reveal this and rooting will enable the option.
i dont think n is compatible with android just yet...
Android 2.2 on the nexus one turned on 802.11n http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364001,00.asp More than likely whenever HTC gets 2.2 on the EVO it will have it as well.
wireless N isn't really needed on a cell phone... not yet anyways
infamousjax said:
wireless N isn't really needed on a cell phone... not yet anyways
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If that were true what would be the point of wifi at all. I hope it does have n capabilities lying in wait.
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wireless N isn't really needed on a cell phone... not yet anyways
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It is entirely needed. Connecting a G device to a single-band N network drops every device on the network to G speeds. Even if you don't get the extra throughput over wifi, wireless N won't slow down your other stuff like B/G will.
Also I have a Wireless N router at home. I'd be most interested because of the range.
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Also I have a Wireless N router at home. I'd be most interested because of the range.
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"N" doesn't increase range. The benefits of 802.11N increase speed and throughput, not range. The better the radio/power and antenna = better range, but 802.11n is still based off the same frequencies as the a/b/g radios. Also... "loud" radios just overpower quieter radio's in client devices and cause extra noise and dirty air. Most homes should be sufficient with a single consumer grade AP. If your living in a mansion or want to cover acres of property, then go with a commercial grade solution like Cisco.
I also agree with the earlier post of why is "n" needed on a cell device anyway. 30fps live video only consumes a max of 4Mbps. Standard WiFi will hand it just fine without breaking a sweat.
that's wrong, because 802.11N on mixed mode (N/G) runs at a significantly reduced rate for all devices, even the G devices. (about half of a normal 802.11g speed) for EVERYONE. So that means that your expensive 802.11 N router is now worse than a 802.11g router and you're better off switching it to pure 802.11g mode. which makes the whole point of having one completely moot. So yes, it is needed.
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"N" doesn't increase range. The benefits of 802.11N increase speed and throughput, not range. The better the radio/power and antenna = better range, but 802.11n is still based off the same frequencies as the a/b/g radios. Also... "loud" radios just overpower quieter radio's in client devices and cause extra noise and dirty air. Most homes should be sufficient with a single consumer grade AP. If your living in a mansion or want to cover acres of property, then go with a commercial grade solution like Cisco.
I also agree with the earlier post of why is "n" needed on a cell device anyway. 30fps live video only consumes a max of 4Mbps. Standard WiFi will hand it just fine without breaking a sweat.
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Wireless N routers have more radios that help with range. B & G routers don't have as many radios.
Wireless n does increase speed if properly configure and range as well ...
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Wireless N routers have more radios that help with range. B & G routers don't have as many radios.
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Your right... more radios, beam forming technologies, etc... all of which can be leveraged by native "g" devices. The ONLY thing you get by having the "n" client is MIMO. I never said that a "n" router wasn't better. Just saying that it is not needed on the EVO. Consumer grade routers are cheap!!!! If you so concerned with it bringing down the capability of your WLAN, spend the extra money for a commercial grade product that does not deteriorate your "n" performance or buy a cheap "n" and a cheap "g" router and associate your EVO and other legacy gear to that.
Seriously, you all are making it sound likes dooms day if a "g" device hits your WLAN. Do you make your guests have "n" devices before they can connect to your network?
Besides, will your really have your EVO with WiFi on constantly? You planning on recharging every 3 or 4 hours?
Again, unless you really know what your talking about... you shouldn't make claims about "n" clients working at further distances. A "n" client cannot get further distances than a "g" client. The benefit in the technology is the beam-forming which is done with many manufactures in the AP, and has nothing to do with the client. However, 2.4 and 5.0 Ghz spectrum is the same and does not magically change with "n". Still the same frequencies!!!! The only benefit you would get with the EVO being "n" is that it would get better performance using the multiple radios. Again, I just don't see an application that requires it. Unless of course your are opening 2GB AutoCad files on your EVO. Not needed for music, video, or any other multi-media that i can think of.
I agree "n" is better, I am not saying that it isn't... I am just making the point that it has NOTHING to do with the coverage area. A "n" radio WILL reach further than a "g" radio due to beam forming, but it will get the same distance whether the "client" is "g" or "n". That's all I am saying. Getting back to the EVO needing "n"... I just don't see why it is needed. Yes their are some concessions to the network that it is attached to, but depending on Wireless design or product... most of those issues can be removed or avoided.
Ok buddy geez I get it. You pwned this thread. Thanks for the info though.
See, I told you the Evo didn't need wireless N yet
Haterz...
ifixit has posted their teardown, it does indeed have n capability.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC-Evo-4G-Teardown/2979/1
Hello
I currently have a Wifi Router thats going bad, Linksys WRT300N and am Looking to replace it with either a Asus RT AC66-U or a Netgear R6300, several folks steered me away from the Linksys EA6500.
I have no experience with routers and a friend of ours said I should try to post here and hopefully one of the "Seasoned Ops" who is familiar wih routers can guide me.
My ISP unfortunately is Time Warner or Roadrunner and I am using the Stock Pop3 email app that came with the GN2. I am Out of Ohio, and have AT&T LTE. When I go to You Tube I incur Constant and Horrible buffering. It does not ocur if I use the Network or turn wifi off. I am also using the stock browser and will incur some serious Browser Lag or Lockup (freeze) if Im using wifi.
Edit Add: Does the AT&T Galaxy Note 2 support the new 802.11ac ?
Hope someone can help, Thank you in advance
-Larry
Well, I hate to say it but you won't get a good single answer here because there's simply so many good choices.
I personally use a Netgear WNDR3700 (older N router but fast cpu and rock solid) as well as a Cisco/Linksys 4200.
I'd recommend that you check on the DD-WRT site if you want real solid opinions on routers. They build custom firmware for routers there and you will find real information on practical use for most if not all of the wireless routers currently available and you can probably ask their opinions as well.
Also check big online retailers for very well reviewed routers. Sites like Newegg and even Amazon. If a router has hundreds of reviews and most are positive then you have a pretty good bet it's going to be a good choice.
The post above me is correct you will get tons of responses of wifi routers...I can narrow down something for ya though.... Tey to get a DUAL BAND router one that has 2.4 ghz and 5ghz ...Since are devices will pick up either or of both bands..5ghz in theory is faster then 2.4 ghz.....I use a Belkin N600 dual band router and I dont have any issues whatsoever....Am constantly hooked up to it..And is extremely fast even with the kids using there ipods touches. There on 2.4 while im on 5ghz...
I have two separate logins in I named one 2.4 and the other 5.0 so I can switch between them..seems the 2.4 gets alittle better reception farther away then 5 ghz frequency in my opinion. ..
I use a Linksys EA3500 and if works flawlessly for me. I have been having it for a year now with absulotely no problems. Here are the specs for it.
Model: Linksys EA3500
Technology: Wireless-N
Bands: Simultaneous 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz
Transmit/Receive: 2 x 3 for 2.4 GHz, 3 x 3 for 5 GHz
Antennas: 6 Internal
OS Compatibility: Windows, Mac
Software Setup: CD Install
Ethernet Ports x Speed: 4 x Gigabit
Cisco Connect Software: Yes, App Enabled
USB Port: Yes, Shared Storage and Virtual US
If you can afford the EA 4500 or EA6500 they should be a little better, but the es 3500 should be sufficient for what you are trying to acheive.
Stay away from anything that has WPS. The Linksys devices won't let you turn it off, at least they didn't 6 months ago. 5Ghz has more bandwidth, but a shorter range at the same dBm as 2.4Ghz. The higher the frequency, the more bandwidth, but the shorter the range. Currently rocking one of these guys. Until I got the Note I only had one device that could do 5Ghz, so I'm still on 2.4.
Personally, I want one of these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320091
But I'm also an if it ain't broke don't fix it kind of guy, and I don't have any problems with my current router
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Hello
I currently have a Wifi Router thats going bad, Linksys WRT300N and am Looking to replace it with either a Asus RT AC66-U or a Netgear R6300, several folks steered me away from the Linksys EA6500.
I have no experience with routers and a friend of ours said I should try to post here and hopefully one of the "Seasoned Ops" who is familiar wih routers can guide me.
My ISP unfortunately is Time Warner or Roadrunner and I am using the Stock Pop3 email app that came with the GN2. I am Out of Ohio, and have AT&T LTE. When I go to You Tube I incur Constant and Horrible buffering. It does not ocur if I use the Network or turn wifi off. I am also using the stock browser and will incur some serious Browser Lag or Lockup (freeze) if Im using wifi.
Hope someone can help, Thank you in advance
-Larry
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I'm on Charter...
I have the Linksys AC1750...and love it. It's was pricey (just out) when I bought it..but have now come down in price...I can say since owning it and using it it has worked flawlessly and has the best through put on it of all the routers I have tried and can be used with a NAS and Apple products as well..Why someone is trying to tell you not to look at them is beyond me...
I tried several Net gear routers and even a WNDR 4500 but not the ASUS brands and none of the Net Gear's impressed me at all and all caused all kinds of drop outs and connectivity issues with my system.
Cisco routers have always done a better job for me and all play nice with my Cisco AT&T micro tower...which is important in my 4 story home...with my Note II and 3 family members using all of their Apple gear..The 3g signal sucks to say the least...
While the ASUS top tiered routers do have a little higher throughput...the AC1750 will hold it's own and is NFC ready when the feature is finally fully implemented in our phones..and gives me top speed where ever I am in the house...and carries well outside too. I have strong wi-fi signals where I never had them before outside...which makes it very nice.
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Nvm, derped
+1 on DD-WRT firmware.
I'm using a few different Linksys N routers wired together as repeating access points and their all using DD-WRT firmware, and everything connects with no problems at all. Running speedtest on my phone gives me full cable speed at 20Mbps, and just about no hiccups browsing.
One recommendation is to set a reboot schedule on the routers. Once in a while the router would drop my cable bandwidth. Restarting the router brings it back to full speed.
Best router I've ever owned
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320062
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Everyone will hate me for it but I've been using 2 routers over the past 10 years. Both made by Apple, both just run and run and run. I reset maybe once every couple years.
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MAC,
Thank you for the reply. Several folks have said the EA6500 by Linksys Cisco is getting really bad reviews. I have NO experience with Routers, and Im having horrible problems with th present one I have. Unfortunately the firmware cant be upgraded, and it appears that all the wifi issues Ive had to date across 4 different phones has been router related. I constantly get No Connection Warnings, when you hit the okay tab, it goes back to normal, or Ill have the stock browser lock up, freeze or there are huge lags. If I power Cycle the Router things are fine for a little bit and then the chain of events reoccur.
Im going to re-look at the Linksys EA6500 again. Thanks, any further help you can give or advice will be appreciated. Also do you know if the Note2 supports the 802.11ac?
Thank you
Larry
The two devices to which I can compare the wifi performance are a nexus 7 flo and an Lg G2. It seems that areas in my house where I normally get decent signal strength with the other two devices I am barely connected with the tab pro. Is anyone else getting poor wifi performance with this tablet? Maybe I just need to move my surfboard to the center of my house?
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Yes very poor... I had the nexus 7 and a note 3 both perfect in my room. This drops and goes from 3 to 0.
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I'm hoping that once some developers, hopefully, jump on this device wifi will be one of the issues resolved. Here's hoping it's not hardware related. It's really my only complaint about the device.
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So i did some looking around on ye olde interwebs today. There is nothing mentioned anywhere yet concerning this(probably way too early) . I may call Bestbuy tomorrow and ask if they've had any calls/questions/returns related to this.
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my wifi has been outstanding. actually better then my gtab was. full bars still on the second floor streaming hulu.
Yea not so much don't even have it in a case and I get like 2 bars where my phone is full bars
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So I downloaded Wifi signal strength from the play store. Sitting in the same spot, the signal dbm and linkspeed are reading roughly the same as my G2. Data download speeds on the G2, though, are reading about twice what the tab is seeing. Can anyone explain this? G2 is reading around - 82 to - 86 dbm and tab around - 79 to - 82 dbm.
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I just got the Tab Pro 8.4 yesterday and I too am getting very poor connection. I was going to return my Nexus 7 2013 today but I'm having second thoughts now. I love the screen real estate on the Tab Pro but unless I'm in the same room where the router is at I get horrible connection. Both devices running 4.4 but the Nexus 7 has no connection issues. Tried every possible fix to no avail . Other than that I have absolutely NO complaints about this tablet. From screen resolution to performance, this Tab Pro rocks!!!!!!
No WI-FI issues at all
Hello. Iv'e had my tab pro 8.4 2 weeks now absolutely no wi- fi issues at all great signal anywhere in house and outside too.
I have 2 netgear 6300 routers one is used for main network and the other is used as a bridge switch and I have a motorola cable modem which I own system combination works great. My netgear 6300 routers are a,b,g,n and ac if you know what that is.The Samsung Tab Pro .4 is also a,b,g,n and AC capable many other brand tablets are not AC capable I hope you know what AC is.
I suggest you buy some better routers and a seperate modem. Then you will probably have much better wi-fi reception. If you have a modem router combination build in one unit throw it away it will never give you the wi-fi reception you expect unless you are right next to it.
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I just got the Tab Pro 8.4 yesterday and I too am getting very poor connection. I was going to return my Nexus 7 2013 today but I'm having second thoughts now. I love the screen real estate on the Tab Pro but unless I'm in the same room where the router is at I get horrible connection. Both devices running 4.4 but the Nexus 7 has no connection issues. Tried every possible fix to no avail . Other than that I have absolutely NO complaints about this tablet. From screen resolution to performance, this Tab Pro rocks!!!!!!
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I know a lot about WiFi and it has nothing to do with my equipment. I have an airport extreme new version and also a Linksys bridged upstairs through a power line Ethernet kit. All my devices are fine except this one. Not saying the speed is slow just low signal where other devices are full..... The speed is fine just weak signal
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I know a lot about WiFi and it has nothing to do with my equipment. I have an airport extreme new version and also a Linksys bridged upstairs through a power line Ethernet kit. All my devices are fine except this one. Not saying the speed is slow just low signal where other devices are full..... The speed is fine just weak signal
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Take it back and exchange it, see if a new one has the same problem.
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I know a lot about WiFi and it has nothing to do with my equipment. I have an airport extreme new version and also a Linksys bridged upstairs through a power line Ethernet kit. All my devices are fine except this one. Not saying the speed is slow just low signal where other devices are full..... The speed is fine just weak signal
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In my extensive history with Samsung devices, some will show more/less bars than others. But they will achieve the same or similar up/down speeds when tested. A while back I read a post (I think it was on the Sprint S4) by an electrical engineer who actually ran some tests on two devices side by side. IIRC, the result was the devices were receiving the same amount of signal, but one of them showed less bars.
So if you're not noticing lower speeds, it's likely that this device has a higher threshold for showing signal strength in bars.
I've discovered something interesting about the WiFI issues. I too had problems with the WiFi on my Tab Pro 8.4. Most of the time when I woke it up the WiFi would not work and I had to turn it off and on again. Over the weekend I purchased a new Airport Extreme to replace my older one and no I do not have this problem anymore. I am not connected via AC instead of A/B/G or N. I just thought it was interesting.
I have a Galaxy S4 and the Tab Pro 8.4 wifi signal in the same house locations is far weaker. I don't get any signal in house locations where my S4 is fine.
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Mine is fine until I hold it from the bottom left corner. I lose close to 18 dBm by holding it from there
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I have done some tests using 2 different acces points. (on 6 different locations with variable coverage) (each time 5 tests and took the average)
I compared my S3 with the tab pro and the resulst were very close. (3dBm at most)
I haven't really been paying attention to it before, but for as far as I know wifi is fine here.
BTW: Left bottom corner doesn't make any difference for me.
So a little update. I went and replaced mine and the new unit has the exact same issue.
I live in Canada and we only have the white one available here. Don't know if that makes a difference
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UPdate:
I was going to go back to the NEXUS 7 because of the wifi issues but man this tablet is amazing!! So I decided to return it for another device and I guess I must have gotten a lemon for the first one(Which for me, Samsung has always been great), because I have no wifi issues at all . This tablet is by far the best one I've owned, from performance to especially screen resolution!!!
I had my Kindle fire hdx 8.9 and my LG Optimus g pro phone along with the tab pro 8.9 at the hospital and the tab pro could not connect due to signal strenth. Both my phone and the Kindle had no trouble what so ever and happily played Netflix and browsed the web. I am also having an issue where the tab pro disconnects from my wifi and reconnects every so often even in the middle of my using it for games or browsing. Intolerable behavior from a premium tablet.
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So a little update. I went and replaced mine and the new unit has the exact same issue.
I live in Canada and we only have the white one available here. Don't know if that makes a difference
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I have a black 8.4, and I can second your -15 dbm when I hold the bottom left corner. I loaded wifi fixer and can watch the difference...One room away from my router and typically run -53 dbm, but when I hold the tab with my palm covering the bottom corner, I am around -68dbm. Hmmm.... other than that, and coming from the 7.7, I love this tab.
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I live in la... work in production and use my navigation constantly. This is killing me
The GPS doesn't lock reliably and it loses location all the time... usually at the worst possible time of course ?.
I had a one plus McClaren and it had the same issues... actually this phone is worse.
Can't really blame the phone it really seems like its has something to do with the 5g. My pixel 3xl works flawlessly with the same sim.
Turning off 5g doesn't solve the issue for me either. So no easy fix.
Mine is dead on.
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Mine has been off and will not lock quickly sometimes.
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I live in la... work in production and use my navigation constantly. This is killing me
The GPS doesn't lock reliably and it loses location all the time... usually at the worst possible time of course ?.
I had a one plus McClaren and it had the same issues... actually this phone is worse.
Can't really blame the phone it really seems like its has something to do with the 5g. My pixel 3xl works flawlessly with the same sim.
Turning off 5g doesn't solve the issue for me either. So no easy fix.
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I had a OP 6T before this s20 Ultra. I had the same issued you did with my 6T as your McLaren.
I do think the Samsung is actually a little bit better than the 6T. The 6T would just randomly stop tracking me and place me on the next road over, etc.
The S20 just stops tracking for a moment then picks right back up. I see issues with it but not like I did with 6T. I also think moving from T-Mo to ATT gives me a more reliable data connection so GPS seems a little better.
I also use my phone for DoorDash and hate these GPS issues.
Some people never see the issue but run 4 to 10 hours a day with GPS and I see it all the time.
BUt to answer your question. Yep, it seems like Android 10 itself is the actual culprit. This is what I have read when I was the 6T. Dont know if there is any truth to that.
S20 Ultra - started experiencing gps issues today too. On and off, and haven't been able to permanently fix yet.
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I had a OP 6T before this s20 Ultra. I had the same issued you did with my 6T as your McLaren.
I do think the Samsung is actually a little bit better than the 6T. The 6T would just randomly stop tracking me and place me on the next road over, etc.
The S20 just stops tracking for a moment then picks right back up. I see issues with it but not like I did with 6T. I also think moving from T-Mo to ATT gives me a more reliable data connection so GPS seems a little better.
I also use my phone for DoorDash and hate these GPS issues.
Some people never see the issue but run 4 to 10 hours a day with GPS and I see it all the time.
BUt to answer your question. Yep, it seems like Android 10 itself is the actual culprit. This is what I have read when I was the 6T. Dont know if there is any truth to that.
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My pixel 3xl has android 10 on it and works flawlessly.
Every 5g phone I've tried has had GPS lock issues. T-mobile released an update that was supposed to fix it when I had the one plus 7t pro McClaren and it improved it but definitely didn't fix it.
I have issues with my ultra as well. Using waze it was putting me almost a Mille off I had to stop and restart everything and then it worked. Someone in the S20 sub reddit mentioned it and a bunch of people had the issue as well.
Ya know I hate to bring it up but a scary thought occurred to me...
The gps issues make the find me app almost useless. God forbid you leave or your phone walks off.
If the gps doesn't track correctly that feature is not gonna be reliable.
I don't even know who to blame here...
The device the 5g???
Seems to be pretty obvious its a 5g issue. None of my 4g phones have the gps lock issue.
Why do they even integrate it into the data. Couldn't it run as a standalone? Its got its own antenea doesn't it?
This is so disappointing... i did NOT buy this phone for the 5g but it seems that it might ruin it for me.
My gps is pretty important to me.
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If the gps doesn't track correctly that feature is not gonna be reliable.
I don't even know who to blame here...
The device the 5g???
Seems to be pretty obvious its a 5g issue. None of my 4g phones have the gps lock issue.
Why do they even integrate it into the data. Couldn't it run as a standalone? Its got its own antenea doesn't it?
This is so disappointing... i did NOT buy this phone for the 5g but it seems that it might ruin it for me.
My gps is pretty important to me.
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"the 5g???" That's a valid assumption imo, 5G interference(stronger source) against GPS(weaker RF signals)
Scott said:
I had a OP 6T before this s20 Ultra. I had the same issued you did with my 6T as your McLaren.
I do think the Samsung is actually a little bit better than the 6T. The 6T would just randomly stop tracking me and place me on the next road over, etc.
The S20 just stops tracking for a moment then picks right back up. I see issues with it but not like I did with 6T. I also think moving from T-Mo to ATT gives me a more reliable data connection so GPS seems a little better.
I also use my phone for DoorDash and hate these GPS issues.
Some people never see the issue but run 4 to 10 hours a day with GPS and I see it all the time.
BUt to answer your question. Yep, it seems like Android 10 itself is the actual culprit. This is what I have read when I was the 6T. Dont know if there is any truth to that.
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I'm with tmo and sometimes I have these issues on my s10+. Tmo in Miami sucks. I'm also switching to at&t since they have better coverage in South Florida than Tmo.
I'm on the T-Mobile S20 Ultra.
I recently came from the OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren edition. GPS would not lock on the McLaren 5G because of 5G. When you disabled it, it would start working again if connected on LTE or WIFI.
Considering someone above tried that already, it might be a few other things:
#1 - Depends on the GPS app you are using. Maps worked best with Google Location Services enabled. Waze has been wonky on all devices lately. It took me 10-15 seconds to get a lock last night as an example but it eventually locked on (unlike the OnePlus McLaren which could go forever until it did).
#2 - Software glitch. Just like the OnePlus McLaren, a patch will be released to fix the issues with GPS and 5G. It was an issue on a lot of 5G variants of phones.
#3 - 5G Interferes with GPS (rumor and speculation by others)
I have the same issue sometimes its fine and other times I'm 600 meters off to the north east. It feels random. When I plug my phone into my android auto it locks right on but according to gps status pro the device thinks its 600 meters off. So when I unplug it shoots me right back to the wrong location.
What’s weird is I used GPS on the phone to drive from Northern to Southern CA on Wednesday. Then I think on the last part of the trip, as I arrived in LA, the GPS lost and couldn’t maintain lock. Yesterday and today GPS lock was nonexistent driving around Ontario, Rialto areas of SoCal. Had to rely on map and directions of Waze and not tracking location.
My GPS is nearly flawless for me - best I have seen on any previous android - and very fast....
Geekser said:
My GPS is nearly flawless for me - best I have seen on any previous android - and very fast....
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You using The International Version? Because the problem is with the Snapdragon chipsets on the U.S. Phones. The Exynos chipsets in the International version don't have this problem.
US unlocked version here, mine is flawless as well
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You using The International Version? Because the problem is with the Snapdragon chipsets on the U.S. Phones. The Exynos chipsets in the International version don't have this problem.
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G988U - Snapdragon - never had an Issue that I am aware of - when I run an apk to test GPS, I pickup all the satelites in seconds- it happens really quick and I haven't noticed any issues -
tell me how I can 'test it" to see if there are issues I am not aware of - but otherwise, it seems really good to me....
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G988U - Snapdragon - never had an Issue that I am aware of - when I run an apk to test GPS, I pickup all the satelites in seconds- it happens really quick and I haven't noticed any issues -
tell me how I can 'test it" to see if there are issues I am not aware of - but otherwise, it seems really good to me....
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Read Article below - If your GPS works fine then your not affected by this problem.
https://thedroidguy.com/galaxy-s20-gps-issues-1124687
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Read Article below - If your GPS works fine then your not affected by this problem.
https://thedroidguy.com/galaxy-s20-gps-issues-1124687
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I guess I am lucky then. I haven't really had any issues with this phone, aside from a little bit of the focus issues that were happening with the camera - those have seemed to gotten better too - and like most previous Samsung PHones the S20 ultra will only get better as more updates are released.
The screen shot below is from the GPS Test apk - in the past, if I tried doing a test indoors, it usualy took a few minutes to acquire satelights - but with my new S20 Ultra - I acquire satelights within seconds of opening the apk. It happens really fast for me....hope yours gets working better in the near future...
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I'm on the US Unlocked Snapdragon and i was definitely having GPS issues. I had GPS Status & Toolbox app installed with the Time to fix status enabled. Almost always between 60 to 90 seconds to get first fix even after doing it repetitively. After the latest firmware update i'm now getting an almost instant fix based on the GPS Status & Toolbox app. I was also having issues with WAZE not locking on for a long time. Google Maps seemed better. WAZE now locks on almost immediately.
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Samsung is crippling the radios and audio in the name of "safety" and "protecting the end user". Sending mine back to Samsung.
I've seen many posts on here about signal issues, both WiFi and Cell. This post will delve into some specifics. And sorry in advance that this is a long read.
Background
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Firstly, some background: I bought my first Samsung and first Note, the Note 2 and thoroughly loved the device. I've had every Note except the Note 1, Note 4 (used the Google Nexus 6 which I still have) and the Note 9 (used a OnePlus 7 Pro, which I still have). I absolutely love the Note series with the large beautiful screen, excellent cameras and of course the Pen.
So after using my Note 8 for a year and a half, I decided to try something different than Samsung because I was tired of the poor cell signal and WiFi signal. I decided to get a OnePlus 7 Pro since that company and phone has been so hyped. Well, the hype is definitely real. The phone is super-fast with little to no lag.
What I don't like or care for the most about the 7 Pro is the ugly rounded corners (besides the mediocre camera). I've always loved the square(er) corners of the Note. And when I saw the Note 10+ in a store recently and touched it, I had to have one. I got it in 3 days and wow what a sight to behold! The screen is just absolutely heavenly.
Cell Signal
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I noticed immediately while driving around with the Note 10+, my music was constantly buffering. I thought it had to do with some kind of battery optimization for the app as to why music would stop playing and keep buffering. But I had already taken care of that in the settings.
Then when I took my Note to work is when it was really noticeable. I work on the second floor offices at my job. My OnePlus has excellent cell signal. Almost always 2-3 bars (and when I'm outside, 4 full bars as the tower is nearby apparently) and easily able to stream music without issue. My Note? Nothing! For at least half the day every day, I had zero signal sitting at my desk in the same spot as I do with my OnePlus 7 Pro. The Note would just say (Emergency Calls Only - No Signal). That was infuriating. Especially with a tower nearby, and my other phone has no signal issues.
WiFI Signal
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The second place I notice signal issues is with WiFi. I keep my WiFi strength turned down to keep the RF exposure low, and to keep from broadcasting my WiFi across the whole neighborhood. With my OnePlus 7 Pro, I get 2-3 bars of WiFi in my garage and the WiFi takes about 10-seconds to connect. With the Note 10+, it literally takes minutes to connect to my WiFi in the garage, barely getting 1-bar, once in a while jumping up to 2 bars then back to 1. And I realize that "number of bars don't matter", but they actually do. It's just a cop-out, and proven that they do have some significance.
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Now I want to make something clear for those who don't know. Both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the Note 10+ use the same exact Snapdragon 855 SoC. As you'll see in the image HERE, the Snapdragon SoC has (among other things) the Cell radio and the BT/WiFi radios all built into the chip. And if one would look at the spec sheets for the 855 and earlier Qualcomm chips, you'd see that the radios get more powerful year after year.
I was blown away going from the garbage radios on the Note 8 to the amazing radios on the OnePlus 7 Pro. Absolutely never any cell or WiFi issues, ever. I figured that since the radios on the Qualcomm chips get more powerful every year, that the Note 10+ would be a giant step up from the radios on the Note 8. Boy was I wrong.
Samsung Crippling the Radios
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That brings me to Samsung deliberately crippling these devices. The FCC has specific regulations regarding exposure to RF radiation from phones. So Samsung is turning down the power of the Cell and WiFi radios so much to keep well below the guidelines and the RF radiation lower. But this is also crippling the device. It's keeping the device from doing it's number one job: being a phone!
Samsung Crippling the Audio
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Samsung has also chosen to cripple listening to music also. Just even touching the EQ one tick above the -0- line and the volume is literally cut in half. Good luck trying to listen to headphones with any kind of volume. If you go just one tick below the -0- line, then the volume gets cut about a quarter. So half of the half. Samsung does this to "protect your hearing" so that you don't listen to music too loudly.
My OnePlus 7 is not like that with the same EQ and same Dolby Atmos. The volume barely wavers at all while adjusting the EQ, and the sound is loud and it actually sounds significantly better than my Note 10.
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I have two devices with virtually identical hardware. One works as it should with excellent Cell and WiFi signal and great EQ sound, while the other is being crippled to protect the user from too much RF radiation or too loud of sound.
Samsung has become like Apple: restricting or constricting how you use your devices. Now if you live in a large city where you are surrounded by cell towers and WiFi everywhere, then you'll likely not notice much of the cell signal or WiFi issue. Those of us who live in smaller cities or towns where the coverage is more sparse, we need that extra radio power that Qualcomm already provides so that our devices do what they are first and foremost intended to do: be a working phone.
I am very upset and disappointed to see Samsung has crippled these devices all in the name of "protecting the end user". So as much as I would love to have that gorgeous screen with me all the time, I'm going to have to settle for my 7 Pro: a device that actually works and isn't being crippled. That also teaches me to never buy a Samsung device again for the foreseeable future, if ever again.
I'd love to see a class-action lawsuit against Samsung for crippling their devices. These things are the most expensive Android devices on the planet. They should not have anything crippled on them for that price.
Well, that may be your experience, I travel a lot by car and, only in some really isolated areas is where I loose signal, you see, It is very different for everyone, I use cellphones since 1990, and I have seen a lot
I've had several brands of phones over the years.. recently every Samsung device I have bought (galaxy s8+, s9+, note 10+) only had signal issues due to insufficient carrier coverage.
None of the phones had issues of signal crippling. I have had Motorola, Nokia, iPhone, Samsung devices and outside of a phone having manufacturer defect (or bad antenna placement) they all worked the same signal and performance wise. Only the carrier i was using and how well they covered my area was what impacted signal quality.
scottusa2008 said:
I've had several brands of phones over the years.. recently every Samsung device I have bought (galaxy s8+, s9+, note 10+) only had signal issues due to insufficient carrier coverage.
None of the phones had issues of signal crippling. I have had Motorola, Nokia, iPhone, Samsung devices and outside of a phone having manufacturer defect (or bad antenna placement) they all worked the same signal and performance wise. Only the carrier i was using and how well they covered my area was what impacted signal quality.
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Exactly, carrier coverage/quality is what almost always determine how well you can use a device, just in some few cases, hadware or software, underperform or are sub-par
I completely agree with this, that's why root was so important to fix things.
Samsung and apple are basically the same in controlling their hardware and software, one just gets more flak for it and I don't see Samsung changing because people don't have other devices, they buy only Samsung like people only buy apple.
They have their set market and try to do the best they can so they don't get sued.
My one plus is way better at everything than my n10+5g except for camera, but I hate how ugly oneplus phones are so it's sticks to 3rd line backup duties behind my Xperia .
About cell signal : I agree that they have to comply to safety regulations, but since it's 2 W/kg here, why the device only make 0.187 if they are authorized to do more for a better signal ?
Or maybe i don't understand how it isv actually working?
Nastrahl said:
About cell signal : I agree that they have to comply to safety regulations, but since it's 2 W/kg here, why the device only make 0.187 if they are authorized to do more for a better signal ?
Or maybe i don't understand how it isv actually working?
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Do you suppose that wireless radios use perpetual motion engines to output as much power as you want for free? Or, perhaps does the battery have to provide that power? The likely answer for why they limit the output power so much is that high output kills your battery. Then people would be complaining about poor on-time for the phone. So, they have a delicate line to walk here. You want enough power that the phone works but you want low enough power that it doesn't eat the battery in 3 hours. Also, recently quite a few drooling idiots have gotten up in arms about how wireless radiation causes all manner of ailments. So, I'll bet they'd not like to be known as the manufacturer who gives people brain cancer, ruined cakes, rain on your birthday, sterility, the walking farts, and foul smelling discharges.
The fact is: the phones use whatever power needs to connect within certain regulated limits, that's it, the carriers are the ones that have the more difficult task in providing the signal as best as possible, which is indeed somewhat complicated for some geographical situations
Hardware and none optimized firmware in general have an impact on the quality of the phone signal, (modem, antenna and others) and off coarse some apps running in the background of the phone. Nevertheless, it's minimal in comparison to the impact caused by the carriers network regulations, network bands assignment, cell towers distance and users traffic. the unsubstantiated claim that Samsung is deliberately crippling our phones signal strange, is nonsense! (It didn't stop Apple from slowing down some old iPhones, not theirs signal)
Exactly itzik
You guys are trying to rationalize and keep buying Samsungs constraints.
Like I said. My Xperia and OnePlus has better signal and is louder, especially speaker and Bluetooth music than my n10+, my note 9 is rooted so viper4android helps but its signal and call quality has always been the worst.
I carry 3 phones with me, needless to say the ones I need for talk with clarity are not my note10+
It's a shame really that other manufacturers have the exact same signal and loudness constraints Samsung does but can achieve more refinement all the while being smaller than Samsung at that
Collin80 said:
Do you suppose that wireless radios use perpetual motion engines to output as much power as you want for free? Or, perhaps does the battery have to provide that power? The likely answer for why they limit the output power so much is that high output kills your battery. Then people would be complaining about poor on-time for the phone. So, they have a delicate line to walk here. You want enough power that the phone works but you want low enough power that it doesn't eat the battery in 3 hours. Also, recently quite a few drooling idiots have gotten up in arms about how wireless radiation causes all manner of ailments. So, I'll bet they'd not like to be known as the manufacturer who gives people brain cancer, ruined cakes, rain on your birthday, sterility, the walking farts, and foul smelling discharges.
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No I suppose that if the limit is 2, make it use 2 for the sake of having signal in bad coverage areas (like where I live because of the metal roof of the train station nearby [official statement about why signal is bad]), and not 0.187 max.
Make it dynamically use less when in call by the use of proximity sensor if it detects your body, or something like that, and use its full potential for tethering or when nothing is detected by the proximity sensor (for tethering by example) or at home because you can charge it whenever you want ; etc.
I have note10+ exynos variant, and also amazingly good Huawei p20. I read a lot about the signal issues on note10. I compared the 2 device, same operator. There is a difference between them, definitely. But strangely mostly on signal values. Huawei p20 showed between 2 and 10 dBm better signal reception. But if you start a speedtest, note10+ is faster or the same compared to p20 both on 2x2 network.
Also WiFi module performed better on note10+. A was able to stay connected to very low signal wifi, when p20 couldn't connect at all. However note10 doesn't show low signal wifi. It shows and detect only very high signal networks. But if you already saved the network ssid, you may have chance to stay connected even on low signal.
The biggest problem ive found on note10 is faster modem overheating and throttling on low signal reception. Otherwise is still amazing device.
I also get pen interference on some lte network sites, the pen constantly disconnected on some places using lte 1800 mhz.
at my job at places that with my mate 20 pro i had 1-2 wifi bars now my note 10+ and my previous s10+ doenst even "see" the wifi. it doenst find any networks
The original intention of OP was to say that samsung devices are deliberately capped down, which honestly, is absurd, differences between different devices are obviously to be expected
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Samsung is crippling the radios and audio in the name of "safety" and "protecting the end user". Sending mine back to Samsung.
I've seen many posts on here about signal issues, both WiFi and Cell. This post will delve into some specifics. And sorry in advance that this is a long read.
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Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
-BoneZ- said:
So after using my Note 8 for a year and a half, I decided to try something different than Samsung because I was tired of the poor cell signal and WiFi signal. I decided to get a OnePlus 7 Pro since that company and phone has been so hyped. Well, the hype is definitely real. The phone is super-fast with little to no lag.
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I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
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I noticed immediately while driving around with the Note 10+, my music was constantly buffering. I thought it had to do with some kind of battery optimization for the app as to why music would stop playing and keep buffering. But I had already taken care of that in the settings.
Then when I took my Note to work is when it was really noticeable. I work on the second floor offices at my job. My OnePlus has excellent cell signal. Almost always 2-3 bars (and when I'm outside, 4 full bars as the tower is nearby apparently) and easily able to stream music without issue. My Note? Nothing! For at least half the day every day, I had zero signal sitting at my desk in the same spot as I do with my OnePlus 7 Pro. The Note would just say (Emergency Calls Only - No Signal). That was infuriating. Especially with a tower nearby, and my other phone has no signal issues.
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Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
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The second place I notice signal issues is with WiFi. I keep my WiFi strength turned down to keep the RF exposure low, and to keep from broadcasting my WiFi across the whole neighborhood. With my OnePlus 7 Pro, I get 2-3 bars of WiFi in my garage and the WiFi takes about 10-seconds to connect. With the Note 10+, it literally takes minutes to connect to my WiFi in the garage, barely getting 1-bar, once in a while jumping up to 2 bars then back to 1. And I realize that "number of bars don't matter", but they actually do. It's just a cop-out, and proven that they do have some significance.
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I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
-BoneZ- said:
Now I want to make something clear for those who don't know. Both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the Note 10+ use the same exact Snapdragon 855 SoC. As you'll see in the image HERE, the Snapdragon SoC has (among other things) the Cell radio and the BT/WiFi radios all built into the chip. And if one would look at the spec sheets for the 855 and earlier Qualcomm chips, you'd see that the radios get more powerful year after year.
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Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
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That brings me to Samsung deliberately crippling these devices. The FCC has specific regulations regarding exposure to RF radiation from phones. So Samsung is turning down the power of the Cell and WiFi radios so much to keep well below the guidelines and the RF radiation lower. But this is also crippling the device. It's keeping the device from doing it's number one job: being a phone!
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Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
Exactly man! You nailed it! Hopefully OP has a better understanding now
scottusa2008 said:
Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
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I think everything you say falls flat when other devices perform better right next to a Samsung device with all those scenarios and parameters involved.
No matter what scenario you throw at it, another device in the same position doesn't have the problem Samsungs do. I have many phones and tablets on the same networks that perform where Samsung lags and hangs.
That's the point, not that there's rules and regulations that EVERYONE follows, it's that Samsung chooses to not optimize as well as other manufacturers, which to be honest has been the same story since their Android adoption.
We just all forgot because the hardware almost overcomes the software limitations to be barely good enough.
Also all hardware is basically the same now, just rearranged differently inside phones but to the same manufacturer specs and connections or else the built in fail-safes won't let them work, so then what does that leave as the real issue?
You talk ad if ALL samsung devices are vastly inferior relating the topic here, which clearly is not true, as scottusa said, every single user obtain different results due to many factors, in my family, there are 3 different brands of devices in use, samsung, huawei and apple, on some ocasions one of them performs better than the others, and other times it doesn't, not a single one performs always better than the others, that clearly indicates that more factors are involved, not that samsung does a utterly bad job optimizing the devices, this is my experience, you colibio may have haf a very different and bad one, but by no means it reflects absolutely what the rest of the users get, you may see some number of complains about any issue, right, but, users in these forums are in reality a tiny minority, and, as many have some degree of knowledge about these topics, they tend to maximize and demand all sorts of things
scottusa2008 said:
Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
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winol said:
You talk ad if ALL samsung devices are vastly inferior relating the topic here, which clearly is not true, as scottusa said, every single user obtain different results due to many factors, in my family, there are 3 different brands of devices in use, samsung, huawei and apple, on some ocasions one of them performs better than the others, and other times it doesn't, not a single one performs always better than the others, that clearly indicates that more factors are involved, not that samsung does a utterly bad job optimizing the devices, this is my experience, you colibio may have haf a very different and bad one, but by no means it reflects absolutely what the rest of the users get, you may see some number of complains about any issue, right, but, users in these forums are in reality a tiny minority, and, as many have some degree of knowledge about these topics, they tend to maximize and demand all sorts of things
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Consumer ignorance and small report sample, because of consumer ignorance, creates an experience curve in favor of Samsung.
So because xda is more "tech savy", because there's more developers who maybe work in the tech industry, who probably have more means and more devices and get more use of said devices because of their interest/work/hobby/ECT, that means we have an unrealistic expectations when all were saying is that Samsung falls behind in it's product compared to it's peers.. wouldn't you want the tiny sample who maybe knows more to speak up about it?
Frankly maybe it's not just my experience, maybe I just know enough to admit Samsung software is garbage without root and Xposed to make it work right.
This is XDA, this is what we do here. We observe, we report and we try as best we can to fix issues with products costing over $1100 that frankly shouldn't be there.
Nobody should have an issue with data reported by OP, or myself or anyone for that matter, especially when you can look at our Dev section or modules and fixes that exist within our community that were created to fix these issues reported.
What better reflection of the problem than a community coming up with solutions and baking new software.
I really don't like when people can't speak up against the majority when it comes to problems, it seems like the minority are the only ones who are pushing development anyway.