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[Q] Router to Compliment AT&T Galaxy Note 2

Hello
I currently have a Wifi Router thats going bad, Linksys WRT300N and am Looking to replace it with either a Asus RT AC66-U or a Netgear R6300, several folks steered me away from the Linksys EA6500.
I have no experience with routers and a friend of ours said I should try to post here and hopefully one of the "Seasoned Ops" who is familiar wih routers can guide me.
My ISP unfortunately is Time Warner or Roadrunner and I am using the Stock Pop3 email app that came with the GN2. I am Out of Ohio, and have AT&T LTE. When I go to You Tube I incur Constant and Horrible buffering. It does not ocur if I use the Network or turn wifi off. I am also using the stock browser and will incur some serious Browser Lag or Lockup (freeze) if Im using wifi.
Edit Add: Does the AT&T Galaxy Note 2 support the new 802.11ac ?
Hope someone can help, Thank you in advance
-Larry

Well, I hate to say it but you won't get a good single answer here because there's simply so many good choices.
I personally use a Netgear WNDR3700 (older N router but fast cpu and rock solid) as well as a Cisco/Linksys 4200.
I'd recommend that you check on the DD-WRT site if you want real solid opinions on routers. They build custom firmware for routers there and you will find real information on practical use for most if not all of the wireless routers currently available and you can probably ask their opinions as well.
Also check big online retailers for very well reviewed routers. Sites like Newegg and even Amazon. If a router has hundreds of reviews and most are positive then you have a pretty good bet it's going to be a good choice.

The post above me is correct you will get tons of responses of wifi routers...I can narrow down something for ya though.... Tey to get a DUAL BAND router one that has 2.4 ghz and 5ghz ...Since are devices will pick up either or of both bands..5ghz in theory is faster then 2.4 ghz.....I use a Belkin N600 dual band router and I dont have any issues whatsoever....Am constantly hooked up to it..And is extremely fast even with the kids using there ipods touches. There on 2.4 while im on 5ghz...
I have two separate logins in I named one 2.4 and the other 5.0 so I can switch between them..seems the 2.4 gets alittle better reception farther away then 5 ghz frequency in my opinion. ..

I use a Linksys EA3500 and if works flawlessly for me. I have been having it for a year now with absulotely no problems. Here are the specs for it.
Model: Linksys EA3500
Technology: Wireless-N
Bands: Simultaneous 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz
Transmit/Receive: 2 x 3 for 2.4 GHz, 3 x 3 for 5 GHz
Antennas: 6 Internal
OS Compatibility: Windows, Mac
Software Setup: CD Install
Ethernet Ports x Speed: 4 x Gigabit
Cisco Connect Software: Yes, App Enabled
USB Port: Yes, Shared Storage and Virtual US
If you can afford the EA 4500 or EA6500 they should be a little better, but the es 3500 should be sufficient for what you are trying to acheive.

Stay away from anything that has WPS. The Linksys devices won't let you turn it off, at least they didn't 6 months ago. 5Ghz has more bandwidth, but a shorter range at the same dBm as 2.4Ghz. The higher the frequency, the more bandwidth, but the shorter the range. Currently rocking one of these guys. Until I got the Note I only had one device that could do 5Ghz, so I'm still on 2.4.

Personally, I want one of these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320091
But I'm also an if it ain't broke don't fix it kind of guy, and I don't have any problems with my current router

ItsaRaid said:
Hello
I currently have a Wifi Router thats going bad, Linksys WRT300N and am Looking to replace it with either a Asus RT AC66-U or a Netgear R6300, several folks steered me away from the Linksys EA6500.
I have no experience with routers and a friend of ours said I should try to post here and hopefully one of the "Seasoned Ops" who is familiar wih routers can guide me.
My ISP unfortunately is Time Warner or Roadrunner and I am using the Stock Pop3 email app that came with the GN2. I am Out of Ohio, and have AT&T LTE. When I go to You Tube I incur Constant and Horrible buffering. It does not ocur if I use the Network or turn wifi off. I am also using the stock browser and will incur some serious Browser Lag or Lockup (freeze) if Im using wifi.
Hope someone can help, Thank you in advance
-Larry
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I'm on Charter...
I have the Linksys AC1750...and love it. It's was pricey (just out) when I bought it..but have now come down in price...I can say since owning it and using it it has worked flawlessly and has the best through put on it of all the routers I have tried and can be used with a NAS and Apple products as well..Why someone is trying to tell you not to look at them is beyond me...
I tried several Net gear routers and even a WNDR 4500 but not the ASUS brands and none of the Net Gear's impressed me at all and all caused all kinds of drop outs and connectivity issues with my system.
Cisco routers have always done a better job for me and all play nice with my Cisco AT&T micro tower...which is important in my 4 story home...with my Note II and 3 family members using all of their Apple gear..The 3g signal sucks to say the least...
While the ASUS top tiered routers do have a little higher throughput...the AC1750 will hold it's own and is NFC ready when the feature is finally fully implemented in our phones..and gives me top speed where ever I am in the house...and carries well outside too. I have strong wi-fi signals where I never had them before outside...which makes it very nice.
Mac

Nvm, derped

+1 on DD-WRT firmware.
I'm using a few different Linksys N routers wired together as repeating access points and their all using DD-WRT firmware, and everything connects with no problems at all. Running speedtest on my phone gives me full cable speed at 20Mbps, and just about no hiccups browsing.
One recommendation is to set a reboot schedule on the routers. Once in a while the router would drop my cable bandwidth. Restarting the router brings it back to full speed.

Best router I've ever owned
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320062
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Everyone will hate me for it but I've been using 2 routers over the past 10 years. Both made by Apple, both just run and run and run. I reset maybe once every couple years.
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MAC,
Thank you for the reply. Several folks have said the EA6500 by Linksys Cisco is getting really bad reviews. I have NO experience with Routers, and Im having horrible problems with th present one I have. Unfortunately the firmware cant be upgraded, and it appears that all the wifi issues Ive had to date across 4 different phones has been router related. I constantly get No Connection Warnings, when you hit the okay tab, it goes back to normal, or Ill have the stock browser lock up, freeze or there are huge lags. If I power Cycle the Router things are fine for a little bit and then the chain of events reoccur.
Im going to re-look at the Linksys EA6500 again. Thanks, any further help you can give or advice will be appreciated. Also do you know if the Note2 supports the 802.11ac?
Thank you
Larry

Wifi detection sucks...Shame on Samsung

Hi guys..
Its the same old problem with this tablet. I have mentioned about it in another thread as well. My GS2 and GS3 connects to my wifi without any troubles but this buggy bastard from Sammy doesnt even detect it. I managed to get it working by changing modes of wifi but it stopped again.
Please guys help me. Anyone else having this problem? please comment.

Hm wifi is perfect with mine. Have tried the app wifi analyzer to check the strength and channel overlapping of your wifi?

Here's Wi-Fi tests from my N3 and N10.1-14. In actual use both are very good performance wise and always find and hold a specified connection. The N10.1-14 actually performs a bit better than the N3.
N10.1-14
N3

But Sammy still screwed the pooch with wifi... Their older phones have better wifi reception than their newest offerings.... Is pretty piss poor quality control....

Are you sure? I thought mine was failing to detect wifi but it was just that the firmware was looking for the wrong channels as I switched to ML1. When I changed the channels on my router it was fine again. Channels aside, it detects the same networks as my Note II pretty much everywhere I've tried.

BarryH_GEG said:
Here's Wi-Fi tests from my N3 and N10.1-14. In actual use both are very good performance wise and always find and hold a specified connection. The N10.1-14 actually performs a bit better than the N3.
N10.1-14
N3
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The thing is that I can only test it when the tablet will be able to detect these networks. Mine detects for few others but not my home one. Another thing is that I could have accepted everything about the router, channels etc if my GS2 and GS3 were failing to detect as well.

Slow WiFi Speeds

I am getting slow WiFi speeds compared to other devices at the same distance from the router. Is anyone else experiencing this?
I get the proper speeds when I get closer to my wifi router. But it is odd becuase my upload speeds are fine but my download speeds are about half what they should be.
Is this a hardware limitation due to the metal back or software? Where can we report this directly to Google?
Thanks for any insight!

Fine here have a decent 5ghz Asus router and getting full speed up and download (20mbps up and 42mbps down) testing with speedof.me (much more accurate than speedtest.net/any of the other flash based speed tests.
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CharlesW123 said:
Fine here have a decent 5ghz Asus router and getting full speed up and download (20mbps up and 42mbps down) testing with speedof.me (much more accurate than speedtest.net/any of the other flash based speed tests.
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Any walls between your device and the router? Could you try it in another room with doors closed.

I'm getting 8 up and 30 down. My max speed is 50 through my ISP so on WiFi this tablet performs excellently.
Most of my other devices top out around 15-20.
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I ran both my Nexus 6P and the Pixel C on Speedtest and the results were identical. I am on a 5G router if that makes a difference.

Here is where I am at now: My upload speeds are fine. I tried it without the dock and I still get the slow speeds. I think I will try to take it to a public wifi spot and see if I can get good speeds there. My router is not a piece of junk either and all my other devices are fine including the Nexus 6P. Here is my router:
ASUS RT-AC66U Dual-Band Wireless
If the masses are not having this issue I may have to do an RMA but so far there have been a couple (including people on the Google nexus support forum) having the same issue. forum located here:
https://productforums.google.com/for...Q/QY0xGoTMAgAJ
It is really a shame because I love this device and it is perfect except for this wifi thing :/
Another note: I am getting the same dBm readings on my Nexus 6P and the Pixel C so it seems to be getting the same signal strength (around -67 dBm).
I sent a formal feedback report via "Settings>>Help and Feedback" as the developers will be able to see it and hopefully give some insight.
Another note: I am getting the same dBm readings on my Nexus 6P and the Pixel C so it seems to be getting the same signal strength (around -67 dBm).

I am also getting horrible wifi speeds on mine..

Ngo93 said:
I am also getting horrible wifi speeds on mine..
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I'm thinking about RMA'ing mine. I did tests around town and it was slow at all locations compared to my other devices.
Edit: I contacted Google Support and they are sending me a replacement but I'm not so sure if that will fix the problem. I just couldn't take the sometimes 2-3 mbps (at best 10mbps) download speed when my N6P was pulling 28mbps sitting right next to it.

I'm hoping developers for the Pixel C will see the concern and look into it. So far I have expressed this in the following ways:
1.) Android Central and XDA forum posts
2.) Settings->3 dots @ top right->help & feedback->Send feedback (this apparently gets sent directly to the developers)
3.) Nexus forum post
4.) Google Support Chat (they issued a replacement)
I should get my replacement by the end of the week but I am not to confident it will fix the issue.
Underlying issue: Bad download speeds at reasonable router distance with good upload speeds. Testing is needed to be done away from the room the router is in and/or on a different floor to replicate what I am seeing.
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Please note that if you are in a small home < 2000 sq ft and limited net speeds (< 50 Mbps down) the only way to truly tell will be to compare the signal strength using Wifi Analyzer on the pixel c and another device. I could tell right away since I have a ~ 3000 sq ft home with robust internet ( 200 Mbps down, GBE fiber in the walls and 2X AC1900 routers). Even so, in my bed room which is 2 walls away from either router, my tab s2 reads -63 dbm for the 5 GHz network, my N6P reads around -64 dbm and the pixel C read around -77 dbM, to the point where it would mostly not connect on the 5 Ghz network at all where as the s2 and N6P connect at around 343 Mbps just fine. That made the pixel C useless for me. Will see if the replacement is better.

undertaker2k14 said:
Please note that if you are in a small home < 2000 sq ft and limited net speeds (< 50 Mbps down) the only way to truly tell will be to compare the signal strength using Wifi Analyzer on the pixel c and another device. I could tell right away since I have a ~ 3000 sq ft home with robust internet ( 200 Mbps down, GBE fiber in the walls and 2X AC1900 routers). Even so, in my bed room which is 2 walls away from either router, my tab s2 reads -63 dbm for the 5 GHz network, my N6P reads around -64 dbm and the pixel C read around -77 dbM, to the point where it would mostly not connect on the 5 Ghz network at all where as the s2 and N6P connect at around 343 Mbps just fine. That made the pixel C useless for me. Will see if the replacement is better.
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I am in a larger house as well and I tested all of y devices in the parking lots of business. My other two devices had much better download speeds in all cases. I did test at the house at various distances and once it reaches this specific threshold it really drops off. But why are my upload speeds fine no matter where? Is the wifi output that much better than receiving? Looks like I may not get my replacement until next week now...erg...
To add information: the disparity in dbm strength is much larger on AC (5ghz). The dbm strength is just slightly lower compared to other devices while on wireless N (2.5ghz). I dont mind being on wireless N @ 2.5ghz as I usually get more range with this anyways. But like you said when I get far enougth away (not that far) it drops down to 2-5gbps (sometimes 10gbps) which is unacceptable. It just makes me wonder how it would perform out in the wild when I am not close to the public wifi which I'm sure will happen a lot.

This thread puts me off buying one.
Where is the WiFi receiver on the Pixel C ?
I'd be interested is seeing other people's WiFi signal results.
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atg284 said:
Here is where I am at now: My upload speeds are fine. I tried it without the dock and I still get the slow speeds. I think I will try to take it to a public wifi spot and see if I can get good speeds there. My router is not a piece of junk either and all my other devices are fine including the Nexus 6P. Here is my router:
ASUS RT-AC66U Dual-Band Wireless
If the masses are not having this issue I may have to do an RMA but so far there have been a couple (including people on the Google nexus support forum) having the same issue. forum located here:
https://productforums.google.com/for...Q/QY0xGoTMAgAJ
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That link appears to be broken
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Here's the link
https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!category-topic/nexus/other-nexus-device/CM9tv3pjTfQ
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How is the replacement device?

apologies if it has been mentioned but iperf is a decent tool
https://iperf.fr/

Well I got my replacement and it is not good news...
I did the same testing as I did before spelled out earlier in this post. Same results. If you are close to the router it is fine but then drastically drops off not too far away from it (25-30 ft through a wall or 2). By drastically I mean 1/4 the speed compared to my other test devices at the same distance. If the service is 30mbps download at a distance of say 30 ft through a wall or two I will get 5mbps where as my other devices are pulling 28-30mbps. It is a drastic drop off. My other test devices are a Nexus 6p and a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition. I tested this at yet another network within a smaller house and it is the same story.
This is my second Pixel C and it is experiencing the exact same phenomenon. There are others experiencing the same exact thing. Doesn't matter if it is wireless N or AC (2.4ghz or 5ghz). The dbm levels while testing paint the same picture as well. The drop off is bad. Here are cross references:
Android Central Forum:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/pixel-c/620307-slow-wifi-speeds.html
Official Nexus Forum:
https://productforums.google.com/for...us/CM9tv3pjTfQ
XDA: (glowing review from yours truly turning into wifi hell)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-c/general/initial-impressions-pictures-t3268141/page3
XDA: Another thread dedicated to this issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-c/help/slow-wifi-speeds-t3269506
I know this sounds like I am chicken little with the whole sky is falling but I'm sure there are not many of us with Pixel C's out there. I tend to get very excited with product launches and this was was no different. The Pixel C ticks all the boxes off for me in a premium 10 inch Android tablet. That is exactly why I am so upset about this. It is near perfect for me but this might be too big of a thing for me to overlook.
Honestly I really would just like someone on the dev team to acknowledge the issue and say they are working on it. I know that will not likely happen. Not a dig against the team the dev team I figure that is just how it is.
I'm going to continue to look into this and read about any potential fixes or troubleshooting ideas but at this point I'm kind of burnt out. I'm probably going to give it another week before I throw in the towel and return this second one. I've tried to tell my self to just get a wifi extender, an industrial strength router that runs on diesel, or just deal with it but why should I have to? The room I need this to work in is not that far away. But with the Pixel C it might as well be a block down the street. Ok, that is a bit dramatic, but I am still frustrated and really do not want to return another unit. I really want to love this thing.

Recently I've had issues with WiFi dropping constantly with the pixel. I decided to reserve an IP address for it and my issues have since disappeared. Maybe give that a shot and see if it helps?
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2496769,00.asp
My travails started when I began to test Wi-Fi performance. The Pixel C has the latest wireless technologies, with dual-band 802.11ac and Bluetooth 4.1. But Wi-Fi speeds were the worst I've seen on a high-end tablet. Even close to a Verizon FiOS router, where a Samsung Galaxy Tab S (not even a newer Galaxy Tab S2) consistently got 50-60Mbps down, the Pixel C reported 18-20Mbps. Travel more than 20 feet away from the router, and the Pixel C had just 1-2Mbps down while the Tab S reported 10Mbps or more. The Pixel C also kept dropping its Wi-Fi signal, over and over again, at distances of 25 feet or more from the router. Neither a Tab S, nor an iPad mini 4, nor several phones had any problems in the same location.
I think this is evidence of software bugs rather than hardware flaws, because the Pixel C reported surprisingly high upload speeds when it could stay connected to the router—often, upload speeds of several times what it was reporting in download speeds. That's extremely unusual, and most likely a signal that it's the OS' network stack, and not the network hardware, that's the problem

WIFI ISSUE UPDATE:
So there are a lot of developments happening in the official nexus forum. It looks like the dev team is aware of the issue 100% and they are looking into it!
Source: https://productforums.google.com/for...Q/FJSGfeWvAAAJ
Keep the information streaming on that forum and send your info for the cause!!!
superchilpil said:
Recently I've had issues with WiFi dropping constantly with the pixel. I decided to reserve an IP address for it and my issues have since disappeared. Maybe give that a shot and see if it helps?
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If you are willing, the dev team could really use that information as you seem knowledgeable on this subject. Official Nexus Forum link is above!

atg284 said:
WIFI ISSUE UPDATE:
So there are a lot of developments happening in the official nexus forum. It looks like the dev team is aware of the issue 100% and they are looking into it!
Source: https://productforums.google.com/for...Q/FJSGfeWvAAAJ
Keep the information streaming on that forum and send your info for the cause!!!
If you are willing, the dev team could really use that information as you seem knowledgeable on this subject. Official Nexus Forum link is above!
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Alright I added it for ya.
Also, if anyone is willing who is having these issues to try and assign a static IP to the Pixel and see if it makes a difference.
I just ran this from downstairs/other side of my house. Here are my results
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
To add for reference, my speed limits are 50 down and 10 up.
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reserving an IP seems to fix the problem. at least for me. I'll do more tests.

I configured my Pixel C with a static IP address as well as changed my DNS servers on my router to Googles and now web pages are loading much faster. Assigning a static IP seems to be the fix for now.

Le Pro3 vs OnePlus 3T.

Hello Le Pro3 users.
I am making this thread to inform anyone that may be willing to downgrade to a OP3T that they really shouldn't. Now, I've tested both phones a bit and I can safely say for mobile and WiFi performance on the Left Pro3 is drastically better than the OP3T. For example, I've attached to screenshots of WiFi performance for both devices, without a case, side by side on a flat surface. This is in the room furthest away from my router in my house.
You can see in the screenshots that the LePro3 consistently holds onto a signal much better than the OP3T in all scenarios. This shows that my phone (if my ISP had these speeds) can pull up to 520mbps over WiFi ac. In the same spot, the OP3T gets 32mbps (pitiful!). Meanwhile the LTE signal is also more consistent on the LePro3 whereas the signal reading is on average 10dBm better with a noticeably better SNR (signal to noise ratio.) This means speed-wise over LTE and on fringe signals, the LePro3 is a better device in the LTE department (I also couldn't get CA working on the LePro3 for T-Mobile.)
Something else I noticed is that MMS on the device is a real problem. Adjusting APNs and having to turn off WiFi to receive MMS was a hassle. WiFi calling was also inconsistent, often cutting out during talking. I haven't had this issue with the LePro3.
Bluetooth is the last part I had issues with. I use Android Auto in my car which requires a physical connection + Bluetooth but for whatever reason my Bluetooth would not connect in my car, unless I power cycled my car system or re-added my OP3T in the settings of my car...Very tedious.
OP3T does have great battery life, but the Pro3 is better. I will say that OP3T has better dev support and that's really the only thing it has going for it. The 2GB difference in ram is negligible since you won't run out of RAM with 4GB anyways before the power saving steps kick in.
Just figured I'd share. I'm going to list my OP3T on Swappa shortly.

Op3t has nougat and better stock os
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Op3t has nougat and better stock os
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Nougat is nice and I agree that their stock OS is great, but the stock OS is subjective. I've gotten quite accustomed to EUI (although I still prefer AOSP.). It's just a different user interface.
That said, I'd take great wireless performance over a pretty OS any day. ?

I've been holding onto my LePro 3 also. It's a great phone and has everything I need in a phone. The Snapdragon 821 is clocked higher on the LePro 3. It's the ONLY non-AT&T branded phone that supports VoLTD/HDVoice on their network. The battery life is fantastic. Love the CDLA headphones.

Agree. Bought this LePro3 on a lark when it went on Flash Sale on US store. Compared to my S7 Edge and recently acquired OPT3, I find myself using the LeEco more than the others due to the speed, fluidity and battery life. Everything just works and the hardware is very premium.
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This....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-pro3/how-to/le-pro-3-vs-oneplus-3t-speedtest-t3510870

realeze said:
Agree. Bought this LePro3 on a lark when it went on Flash Sale on US store. Compared to my S7 Edge and recently acquired OPT3, I find myself using the LeEco more than the others due to the speed, fluidity and battery life. Everything just works and the hardware is very premium.
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My experience exactly as well. If I was looking at buying one or the other I suppose I would maybe get a 3T. But after having a LP3 and using it since launch I'd happily keep it. I don't think I'd even trade for a 3T. Especially with the ROM support that the LP3 has already. Resurrection Remix (using currently and LOVING)! CM, Slim, MIUI, 7.1 AOSP, various highly tweaked and optimized Eui builds. Not really any software advantage as long as you're a flasher. Better battery life, same speed. Only thing I don't like is low light shots are pretty bad. Bezels could be smaller too but not that bad.
It's much cheaper so those are very acceptable trade offs IMO.

Ascertion said:
Hello Le Pro3 users.
I am making this thread to inform anyone that may be willing to downgrade to a OP3T that they really shouldn't. Now, I've tested both phones a bit and I can safely say for mobile and WiFi performance on the Left Pro3 is drastically better than the OP3T. For example, I've attached to screenshots of WiFi performance for both devices, without a case, side by side on a flat surface. This is in the room furthest away from my router in my house.
You can see in the screenshots that the LePro3 consistently holds onto a signal much better than the OP3T in all scenarios. This shows that my phone (if my ISP had these speeds) can pull up to 520mbps over WiFi ac. In the same spot, the OP3T gets 32mbps (pitiful!). Meanwhile the LTE signal is also more consistent on the LePro3 whereas the signal reading is on average 10dBm better with a noticeably better SNR (signal to noise ratio.) This means speed-wise over LTE and on fringe signals, the LePro3 is a better device in the LTE department (I also couldn't get CA working on the LePro3 for T-Mobile.)
Something else I noticed is that MMS on the device is a real problem. Adjusting APNs and having to turn off WiFi to receive MMS was a hassle. WiFi calling was also inconsistent, often cutting out during talking. I haven't had this issue with the LePro3.
Bluetooth is the last part I had issues with. I use Android Auto in my car which requires a physical connection + Bluetooth but for whatever reason my Bluetooth would not connect in my car, unless I power cycled my car system or re-added my OP3T in the settings of my car...Very tedious.
OP3T does have great battery life, but the Pro3 is better. I will say that OP3T has better dev support and that's really the only thing it has going for it. The 2GB difference in ram is negligible since you won't run out of RAM with 4GB anyways before the power saving steps kick in.
Just figured I'd share. I'm going to list my OP3T on Swappa shortly.
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That's why I'm keeping my x720. Never loses wifi signal quality in bed (my bed is in a corner which is horribly placed to hinder wifi signals). Never had an issue with bluetooth or connectivity though.
I'd say only departments in which Le-Pro 3 lacks is camera quality & OS. Though alot of people here are accostmed to EMUI, MIUI so EUI wont be a problem for them. I'm just a google-play guy so CM fits the definition for me. Thank you for making me thankful for my Le Pro 3.
Ascertion said:
Nougat is nice and I agree that their stock OS is great, but the stock OS is subjective. I've gotten quite accustomed to EUI (although I still prefer AOSP.). It's just a different user interface.
That said, I'd take great wireless performance over a pretty OS any day.
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This!~
xposed + Android N-ify makes me forget about other features which are hardly used.
Tikerz said:
I've been holding onto my LePro 3 also. It's a great phone and has everything I need in a phone. The Snapdragon 821 is clocked higher on the LePro 3. It's the ONLY non-AT&T branded phone that supports VoLTD/HDVoice on their network. The battery life is fantastic. Love the CDLA headphones.
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CDLA output is one of the main features why I preferred this phone despite being awe-inducing-ly cheap for what it offers!.

is it an x720 or x727?
i read about huawei mate series that has stronger signal with the chinese version over international one...what i want to say is that maybe they limit SAR value with international version over the chinese one( x720 ).
Anyway we are talking about different phones and it's difficult talk about SAR values, i have an x720 and i'm happy with signal strength of wifi and lte.

malaga82 said:
is it an x720 or x727?
i read about huawei mate series that has stronger signal with the chinese version over international one...what i want to say is that maybe they limit SAR value with international version over the chinese one( x720 ).
Anyway we are talking about different phones and it's difficult talk about SAR values, i have an x720 and i'm happy with signal strength of wifi and lte.
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I do know the Hauwei mate series are excellent phones. My buddy has a Mate 9 and it's phenomenal. I've seen it trounce his iPhone 7+ in a round of speed tests (not benchmarks but actual app opening, scrolling through gallery etc). That's tough to do, as boring and limited as iPhones are, they're still very fast.
The camera on it is killer too. But it's over twice the price of a Le Pro for a shred extra speed and better camera. Not worth it IMO unless you can afford it easily and need that extra 0.03 seconds faster app opening.
Btw it was just said in the news that LeEco has apparently been sneaking industry secrets from Hauwei among others.... Maybe some Mate DNA in our phones already

dark_prince said:
This!~
xposed + Android N-ify makes me forget about other features which are hardly used.
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Did this not cause you any trouble? Did you have it on stock ROM? I tried it on my 727 with TurboRom and it soft-bricked it because it couldn't handle the notifications style.

klm2349 said:
Did this not cause you any trouble? Did you have it on stock ROM? I tried it on my 727 with TurboRom and it soft-bricked it because it couldn't handle the notifications style.
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I'm running on CyanogenMod 13 (Team Superluminal). There are no issues. EUI has its own notification display problem so I decided to move on. Plus, EUI is not my thing, I'm AOSP kinda guy.

By the way guys, with CUSTOM ROM on this phone, does Android Pay works? I used AP most of the time, thats why I am having a hard time flashing custom ROMS, my one plus 3 works even with the CM before. Thanks for any input

For those who are having signal issues, Samsung is deliberately crippling the devices

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Samsung is crippling the radios and audio in the name of "safety" and "protecting the end user". Sending mine back to Samsung.
I've seen many posts on here about signal issues, both WiFi and Cell. This post will delve into some specifics. And sorry in advance that this is a long read.
Background
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Firstly, some background: I bought my first Samsung and first Note, the Note 2 and thoroughly loved the device. I've had every Note except the Note 1, Note 4 (used the Google Nexus 6 which I still have) and the Note 9 (used a OnePlus 7 Pro, which I still have). I absolutely love the Note series with the large beautiful screen, excellent cameras and of course the Pen.
So after using my Note 8 for a year and a half, I decided to try something different than Samsung because I was tired of the poor cell signal and WiFi signal. I decided to get a OnePlus 7 Pro since that company and phone has been so hyped. Well, the hype is definitely real. The phone is super-fast with little to no lag.
What I don't like or care for the most about the 7 Pro is the ugly rounded corners (besides the mediocre camera). I've always loved the square(er) corners of the Note. And when I saw the Note 10+ in a store recently and touched it, I had to have one. I got it in 3 days and wow what a sight to behold! The screen is just absolutely heavenly.
Cell Signal
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I noticed immediately while driving around with the Note 10+, my music was constantly buffering. I thought it had to do with some kind of battery optimization for the app as to why music would stop playing and keep buffering. But I had already taken care of that in the settings.
Then when I took my Note to work is when it was really noticeable. I work on the second floor offices at my job. My OnePlus has excellent cell signal. Almost always 2-3 bars (and when I'm outside, 4 full bars as the tower is nearby apparently) and easily able to stream music without issue. My Note? Nothing! For at least half the day every day, I had zero signal sitting at my desk in the same spot as I do with my OnePlus 7 Pro. The Note would just say (Emergency Calls Only - No Signal). That was infuriating. Especially with a tower nearby, and my other phone has no signal issues.
WiFI Signal
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The second place I notice signal issues is with WiFi. I keep my WiFi strength turned down to keep the RF exposure low, and to keep from broadcasting my WiFi across the whole neighborhood. With my OnePlus 7 Pro, I get 2-3 bars of WiFi in my garage and the WiFi takes about 10-seconds to connect. With the Note 10+, it literally takes minutes to connect to my WiFi in the garage, barely getting 1-bar, once in a while jumping up to 2 bars then back to 1. And I realize that "number of bars don't matter", but they actually do. It's just a cop-out, and proven that they do have some significance.
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Now I want to make something clear for those who don't know. Both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the Note 10+ use the same exact Snapdragon 855 SoC. As you'll see in the image HERE, the Snapdragon SoC has (among other things) the Cell radio and the BT/WiFi radios all built into the chip. And if one would look at the spec sheets for the 855 and earlier Qualcomm chips, you'd see that the radios get more powerful year after year.
I was blown away going from the garbage radios on the Note 8 to the amazing radios on the OnePlus 7 Pro. Absolutely never any cell or WiFi issues, ever. I figured that since the radios on the Qualcomm chips get more powerful every year, that the Note 10+ would be a giant step up from the radios on the Note 8. Boy was I wrong.
Samsung Crippling the Radios
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That brings me to Samsung deliberately crippling these devices. The FCC has specific regulations regarding exposure to RF radiation from phones. So Samsung is turning down the power of the Cell and WiFi radios so much to keep well below the guidelines and the RF radiation lower. But this is also crippling the device. It's keeping the device from doing it's number one job: being a phone!
Samsung Crippling the Audio
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Samsung has also chosen to cripple listening to music also. Just even touching the EQ one tick above the -0- line and the volume is literally cut in half. Good luck trying to listen to headphones with any kind of volume. If you go just one tick below the -0- line, then the volume gets cut about a quarter. So half of the half. Samsung does this to "protect your hearing" so that you don't listen to music too loudly.
My OnePlus 7 is not like that with the same EQ and same Dolby Atmos. The volume barely wavers at all while adjusting the EQ, and the sound is loud and it actually sounds significantly better than my Note 10.
Conclusion
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I have two devices with virtually identical hardware. One works as it should with excellent Cell and WiFi signal and great EQ sound, while the other is being crippled to protect the user from too much RF radiation or too loud of sound.
Samsung has become like Apple: restricting or constricting how you use your devices. Now if you live in a large city where you are surrounded by cell towers and WiFi everywhere, then you'll likely not notice much of the cell signal or WiFi issue. Those of us who live in smaller cities or towns where the coverage is more sparse, we need that extra radio power that Qualcomm already provides so that our devices do what they are first and foremost intended to do: be a working phone.
I am very upset and disappointed to see Samsung has crippled these devices all in the name of "protecting the end user". So as much as I would love to have that gorgeous screen with me all the time, I'm going to have to settle for my 7 Pro: a device that actually works and isn't being crippled. That also teaches me to never buy a Samsung device again for the foreseeable future, if ever again.
I'd love to see a class-action lawsuit against Samsung for crippling their devices. These things are the most expensive Android devices on the planet. They should not have anything crippled on them for that price.

Well, that may be your experience, I travel a lot by car and, only in some really isolated areas is where I loose signal, you see, It is very different for everyone, I use cellphones since 1990, and I have seen a lot

I've had several brands of phones over the years.. recently every Samsung device I have bought (galaxy s8+, s9+, note 10+) only had signal issues due to insufficient carrier coverage.
None of the phones had issues of signal crippling. I have had Motorola, Nokia, iPhone, Samsung devices and outside of a phone having manufacturer defect (or bad antenna placement) they all worked the same signal and performance wise. Only the carrier i was using and how well they covered my area was what impacted signal quality.

scottusa2008 said:
I've had several brands of phones over the years.. recently every Samsung device I have bought (galaxy s8+, s9+, note 10+) only had signal issues due to insufficient carrier coverage.
None of the phones had issues of signal crippling. I have had Motorola, Nokia, iPhone, Samsung devices and outside of a phone having manufacturer defect (or bad antenna placement) they all worked the same signal and performance wise. Only the carrier i was using and how well they covered my area was what impacted signal quality.
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Exactly, carrier coverage/quality is what almost always determine how well you can use a device, just in some few cases, hadware or software, underperform or are sub-par

I completely agree with this, that's why root was so important to fix things.
Samsung and apple are basically the same in controlling their hardware and software, one just gets more flak for it and I don't see Samsung changing because people don't have other devices, they buy only Samsung like people only buy apple.
They have their set market and try to do the best they can so they don't get sued.
My one plus is way better at everything than my n10+5g except for camera, but I hate how ugly oneplus phones are so it's sticks to 3rd line backup duties behind my Xperia .

About cell signal : I agree that they have to comply to safety regulations, but since it's 2 W/kg here, why the device only make 0.187 if they are authorized to do more for a better signal ?
Or maybe i don't understand how it isv actually working?

Nastrahl said:
About cell signal : I agree that they have to comply to safety regulations, but since it's 2 W/kg here, why the device only make 0.187 if they are authorized to do more for a better signal ?
Or maybe i don't understand how it isv actually working?
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Do you suppose that wireless radios use perpetual motion engines to output as much power as you want for free? Or, perhaps does the battery have to provide that power? The likely answer for why they limit the output power so much is that high output kills your battery. Then people would be complaining about poor on-time for the phone. So, they have a delicate line to walk here. You want enough power that the phone works but you want low enough power that it doesn't eat the battery in 3 hours. Also, recently quite a few drooling idiots have gotten up in arms about how wireless radiation causes all manner of ailments. So, I'll bet they'd not like to be known as the manufacturer who gives people brain cancer, ruined cakes, rain on your birthday, sterility, the walking farts, and foul smelling discharges.

The fact is: the phones use whatever power needs to connect within certain regulated limits, that's it, the carriers are the ones that have the more difficult task in providing the signal as best as possible, which is indeed somewhat complicated for some geographical situations

Hardware and none optimized firmware in general have an impact on the quality of the phone signal, (modem, antenna and others) and off coarse some apps running in the background of the phone. Nevertheless, it's minimal in comparison to the impact caused by the carriers network regulations, network bands assignment, cell towers distance and users traffic. the unsubstantiated claim that Samsung is deliberately crippling our phones signal strange, is nonsense! (It didn't stop Apple from slowing down some old iPhones, not theirs signal)

Exactly itzik

You guys are trying to rationalize and keep buying Samsungs constraints.
Like I said. My Xperia and OnePlus has better signal and is louder, especially speaker and Bluetooth music than my n10+, my note 9 is rooted so viper4android helps but its signal and call quality has always been the worst.
I carry 3 phones with me, needless to say the ones I need for talk with clarity are not my note10+
It's a shame really that other manufacturers have the exact same signal and loudness constraints Samsung does but can achieve more refinement all the while being smaller than Samsung at that

Collin80 said:
Do you suppose that wireless radios use perpetual motion engines to output as much power as you want for free? Or, perhaps does the battery have to provide that power? The likely answer for why they limit the output power so much is that high output kills your battery. Then people would be complaining about poor on-time for the phone. So, they have a delicate line to walk here. You want enough power that the phone works but you want low enough power that it doesn't eat the battery in 3 hours. Also, recently quite a few drooling idiots have gotten up in arms about how wireless radiation causes all manner of ailments. So, I'll bet they'd not like to be known as the manufacturer who gives people brain cancer, ruined cakes, rain on your birthday, sterility, the walking farts, and foul smelling discharges.
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No I suppose that if the limit is 2, make it use 2 for the sake of having signal in bad coverage areas (like where I live because of the metal roof of the train station nearby [official statement about why signal is bad]), and not 0.187 max.
Make it dynamically use less when in call by the use of proximity sensor if it detects your body, or something like that, and use its full potential for tethering or when nothing is detected by the proximity sensor (for tethering by example) or at home because you can charge it whenever you want ; etc.

I have note10+ exynos variant, and also amazingly good Huawei p20. I read a lot about the signal issues on note10. I compared the 2 device, same operator. There is a difference between them, definitely. But strangely mostly on signal values. Huawei p20 showed between 2 and 10 dBm better signal reception. But if you start a speedtest, note10+ is faster or the same compared to p20 both on 2x2 network.
Also WiFi module performed better on note10+. A was able to stay connected to very low signal wifi, when p20 couldn't connect at all. However note10 doesn't show low signal wifi. It shows and detect only very high signal networks. But if you already saved the network ssid, you may have chance to stay connected even on low signal.
The biggest problem ive found on note10 is faster modem overheating and throttling on low signal reception. Otherwise is still amazing device.
I also get pen interference on some lte network sites, the pen constantly disconnected on some places using lte 1800 mhz.

at my job at places that with my mate 20 pro i had 1-2 wifi bars now my note 10+ and my previous s10+ doenst even "see" the wifi. it doenst find any networks

The original intention of OP was to say that samsung devices are deliberately capped down, which honestly, is absurd, differences between different devices are obviously to be expected

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Samsung is crippling the radios and audio in the name of "safety" and "protecting the end user". Sending mine back to Samsung.
I've seen many posts on here about signal issues, both WiFi and Cell. This post will delve into some specifics. And sorry in advance that this is a long read.
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Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
-BoneZ- said:
So after using my Note 8 for a year and a half, I decided to try something different than Samsung because I was tired of the poor cell signal and WiFi signal. I decided to get a OnePlus 7 Pro since that company and phone has been so hyped. Well, the hype is definitely real. The phone is super-fast with little to no lag.
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I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
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I noticed immediately while driving around with the Note 10+, my music was constantly buffering. I thought it had to do with some kind of battery optimization for the app as to why music would stop playing and keep buffering. But I had already taken care of that in the settings.
Then when I took my Note to work is when it was really noticeable. I work on the second floor offices at my job. My OnePlus has excellent cell signal. Almost always 2-3 bars (and when I'm outside, 4 full bars as the tower is nearby apparently) and easily able to stream music without issue. My Note? Nothing! For at least half the day every day, I had zero signal sitting at my desk in the same spot as I do with my OnePlus 7 Pro. The Note would just say (Emergency Calls Only - No Signal). That was infuriating. Especially with a tower nearby, and my other phone has no signal issues.
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Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
-BoneZ- said:
The second place I notice signal issues is with WiFi. I keep my WiFi strength turned down to keep the RF exposure low, and to keep from broadcasting my WiFi across the whole neighborhood. With my OnePlus 7 Pro, I get 2-3 bars of WiFi in my garage and the WiFi takes about 10-seconds to connect. With the Note 10+, it literally takes minutes to connect to my WiFi in the garage, barely getting 1-bar, once in a while jumping up to 2 bars then back to 1. And I realize that "number of bars don't matter", but they actually do. It's just a cop-out, and proven that they do have some significance.
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I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
-BoneZ- said:
Now I want to make something clear for those who don't know. Both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the Note 10+ use the same exact Snapdragon 855 SoC. As you'll see in the image HERE, the Snapdragon SoC has (among other things) the Cell radio and the BT/WiFi radios all built into the chip. And if one would look at the spec sheets for the 855 and earlier Qualcomm chips, you'd see that the radios get more powerful year after year.
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Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
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That brings me to Samsung deliberately crippling these devices. The FCC has specific regulations regarding exposure to RF radiation from phones. So Samsung is turning down the power of the Cell and WiFi radios so much to keep well below the guidelines and the RF radiation lower. But this is also crippling the device. It's keeping the device from doing it's number one job: being a phone!
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Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.

Exactly man! You nailed it! Hopefully OP has a better understanding now

scottusa2008 said:
Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
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I think everything you say falls flat when other devices perform better right next to a Samsung device with all those scenarios and parameters involved.
No matter what scenario you throw at it, another device in the same position doesn't have the problem Samsungs do. I have many phones and tablets on the same networks that perform where Samsung lags and hangs.
That's the point, not that there's rules and regulations that EVERYONE follows, it's that Samsung chooses to not optimize as well as other manufacturers, which to be honest has been the same story since their Android adoption.
We just all forgot because the hardware almost overcomes the software limitations to be barely good enough.
Also all hardware is basically the same now, just rearranged differently inside phones but to the same manufacturer specs and connections or else the built in fail-safes won't let them work, so then what does that leave as the real issue?

You talk ad if ALL samsung devices are vastly inferior relating the topic here, which clearly is not true, as scottusa said, every single user obtain different results due to many factors, in my family, there are 3 different brands of devices in use, samsung, huawei and apple, on some ocasions one of them performs better than the others, and other times it doesn't, not a single one performs always better than the others, that clearly indicates that more factors are involved, not that samsung does a utterly bad job optimizing the devices, this is my experience, you colibio may have haf a very different and bad one, but by no means it reflects absolutely what the rest of the users get, you may see some number of complains about any issue, right, but, users in these forums are in reality a tiny minority, and, as many have some degree of knowledge about these topics, they tend to maximize and demand all sorts of things

scottusa2008 said:
Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
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winol said:
You talk ad if ALL samsung devices are vastly inferior relating the topic here, which clearly is not true, as scottusa said, every single user obtain different results due to many factors, in my family, there are 3 different brands of devices in use, samsung, huawei and apple, on some ocasions one of them performs better than the others, and other times it doesn't, not a single one performs always better than the others, that clearly indicates that more factors are involved, not that samsung does a utterly bad job optimizing the devices, this is my experience, you colibio may have haf a very different and bad one, but by no means it reflects absolutely what the rest of the users get, you may see some number of complains about any issue, right, but, users in these forums are in reality a tiny minority, and, as many have some degree of knowledge about these topics, they tend to maximize and demand all sorts of things
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Consumer ignorance and small report sample, because of consumer ignorance, creates an experience curve in favor of Samsung.
So because xda is more "tech savy", because there's more developers who maybe work in the tech industry, who probably have more means and more devices and get more use of said devices because of their interest/work/hobby/ECT, that means we have an unrealistic expectations when all were saying is that Samsung falls behind in it's product compared to it's peers.. wouldn't you want the tiny sample who maybe knows more to speak up about it?
Frankly maybe it's not just my experience, maybe I just know enough to admit Samsung software is garbage without root and Xposed to make it work right.
This is XDA, this is what we do here. We observe, we report and we try as best we can to fix issues with products costing over $1100 that frankly shouldn't be there.
Nobody should have an issue with data reported by OP, or myself or anyone for that matter, especially when you can look at our Dev section or modules and fixes that exist within our community that were created to fix these issues reported.
What better reflection of the problem than a community coming up with solutions and baking new software.
I really don't like when people can't speak up against the majority when it comes to problems, it seems like the minority are the only ones who are pushing development anyway.