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Terrible Audio Playback

Have any of you experienced terrible audio quality (Tinny sound-sorta like the treble is too high) and a very slight hiss when listening to music on the headphones? Ordered 2 phones from AT and T and both of them have the same issue. I am still debating whether this is an issue or is just the way the phone is.
I had a Tmobile G2 previously and the audio quality when listening to Pandora and other internet radio apps was simply awesome. This is especially disturbing to me as I am absolutely thrilled with the phone in other aspects. Based on your responses I will decide if I want to return the phone to get a replacement or simply get the HTC One X.
FYI I have the AT and T Samsung Galaxy S3 with stock ROM from AT and T.

alfredo123 said:
Have any of you experienced terrible audio quality (Tinny sound-sorta like the treble is too high) and a very slight hiss when listening to music on the headphones? Ordered 2 phones from AT and T and both of them have the same issue. I am still debating whether this is an issue or is just the way the phone is.
I had a Tmobile G2 previously and the audio quality when listening to Pandora and other internet radio apps was simply awesome. This is especially disturbing to me as I am absolutely thrilled with the phone in other aspects. Based on your responses I will decide if I want to return the phone to get a replacement or simply get the HTC One X.
FYI I have the AT and T Samsung Galaxy S3 with stock ROM from AT and T.
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I have found that equalizers are very helpful. Try a few from the Play Store.

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I have found that equalizers are very helpful. Try a few from the Play Store.
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Thanks Gberg. I tried the equalizer app, didnt do too much to alleviate the issue. I will be trying a friends phone to see if it has the same issue to decide.

I checked a friends S3 and found pretty much the same results. It is very much possible the audio playback sound quality is not as good as some of the other phones.
Will be trying a more expensive headset.
Also, Can anyone let me know if rooting the phone and installing a custom rom would make any difference to the sound quality?

alfredo123 said:
I checked a friends S3 and found pretty much the same results. It is very much possible the audio playback sound quality is not as good as some of the other phones.
Will be trying a more expensive headset.
Also, Can anyone let me know if rooting the phone and installing a custom rom would make any difference to the sound quality?
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Yes...other roms can help/hurt audio as they replace/tweak audio libraries. Cyanogen Mod includes a DSP app. Another thing i have done that helps a lot is to install awesome beats. check the apps and themes forum for installation instructions...of course you must have root.
Hope this helps. Oh BTW..i'm using the Bose MIE2's. While i'm not a huge Bose fan generally....I have found them to be quite satisfactory with equalization.

Try equalizing with DSPManager I know it comes with Gapps on jelly bean it features bass boost and like I said before equalizer that may help or it could just be the device/defected.

[Q]Is there any way to downgrade to 4.2 or lower?

Hello everyone.
I have bought N7 2nd generation few days ago and I feel very uncomfortable with android 4.3.
Is there any solution for downgrade to 4.2 or lower?

No.
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lys2002123 said:
Hello everyone.
I have bought N7 2nd generation few days ago and I feel very uncomfortable with android 4.3.
Is there any solution for downgrade to 4.2 or lower?
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define uncomfortable
did you not know this tablet had 4.3 stock?

Midnight_Rider said:
define uncomfortable
did you not know this tablet had 4.3 stock?
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I have known..
But things what I have used don't support 4.3 and i didn't know that.

lys2002123 said:
I have known..
But things what I have used don't support 4.3 and i didn't know that.
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ahh yes that's true, there may be stuff out there that won't work on 4.3. Only thing i can say about that is to contact the dev and wait for an update to the app. i know that's not what you wanted to hear, sorry. other than that though how do you like it? i got mine a few days ago and its been fantastic, best android device i've ever owned

Midnight_Rider said:
ahh yes that's true, there may be stuff out there that won't work on 4.3. Only thing i can say about that is to contact the dev and wait for an update to the app. i know that's not what you wanted to hear, sorry. other than that though how do you like it? i got mine a few days ago and its been fantastic, best android device i've ever owned
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I am really content with my new android device nexus 7
But... i think stereo speaker isn't louder than I expected.
It seems to have similar volume level with another devices..
And headphone jack is too quiet for me.
It is pretty much quieter than my ex-device Samsung Galaxy S2.
Is that only problem of mine?

thats a good question, havent even tried the headphone jack yet, guess i will now

Midnight_Rider said:
thats a good question, havent even tried the headphone jack yet, guess i will now
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Good
How's yours? I think it is so quiet with high-impedance headphone.
I also think it maybe a problem of Android 4.3..

lys2002123 said:
I have known..
But things what I have used don't support 4.3 and i didn't know that.
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Hi:
What compatibility problems are you having with 4.3 vs 4.22--apps, hardware....
Tom

thenrik said:
Hi:
What compatibility problems are you having with 4.3 vs 4.22--apps, hardware....
Tom
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Some Korean apps... and sound mods like viper4android.
And i think 4.3's audio output is quieter than 4.2.
My N7 is sooo quiet, both headphones and speakers.
Low volume really makes me disappointed.

lys2002123 said:
Hello everyone.
I have bought N7 2nd generation few days ago and I feel very uncomfortable with android 4.3.
Is there any solution for downgrade to 4.2 or lower?
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Do you need a tampon?
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Brava27 said:
Do you need a tampon?
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Sorry

I think you would lose more than you would gain
Newer devices have advances that play well with the newer OS systems that are available so in my view retro versions may not work as well with some of the more advanced designs in the device thingy.
That said I feel the volume is plenty loud and in fact sounds really good. This is without a doubt the best 7" tablet available at this time. The Nexus 10 is the best 10" tablet available at this time, yes better than the apple products. The audio is better and the screens are better and you can set it up as you please a more mature attitude from the manufacturer if you will. Less hand holding, less paternalistic access to your device.
I bought mine at Office Max with the 20% discount, I felt that the price was almost unbelievable and was surprised when they had some left in stock.
I would like more memory 64GB would be nice but I rooted it and use stick mount to run videos and move files.

lys2002123 said:
Some Korean apps... and sound mods like viper4android.
And i think 4.3's audio output is quieter than 4.2.
My N7 is sooo quiet, both headphones and speakers.
Low volume really makes me disappointed.
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Hi:
You might want to try these JBL Bluetooth speakers--they are loud:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009AYLDSU/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
As for Korean apps, you might try backing up the apk files and installing them. I know that Google says many of my Chinese apps are incompatible but they all work. Worth a try.
Let us know if you find a work around with bluetooth headphones, apps or anything else that works. It's going to be a rocky road with Bluetooth and 4.3. Many Bluetooth keyboards and some headphones don't work with 4.3. I'm reluctant to order anything Bluetooth without confirmation from others that it works with 4.3
I ordered some LG Bluetooth headphones in June. They worked with the Nexus 7 2012 but only played 1/4 volume on my Galaxy S3 so I returned them.
Keep us posted.
Tom

My sound on the headphones is good/decent. At about 1/2 volume is comfortable to me.
I'm not much of an audiophile so I don't know how impedance effects the volume. It's not extremely loud at max volume, though. I'd probably still be able to hear my music while on the lawn mower or on my motorbike but not sure about a jet plane ^^
Speakers at max volume is fine for a quiet room, but outside it probably won't be very loud.
Hope this helped some.
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I'm reluctant to order anything Bluetooth without confirmation from others that it works with 4.3
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Just confirming that my bluetooth keyboard (made by Anker for ~$25 on Amazon) works.
I just paired it and this is the first thing I've typed. Seems to do well. I can even alt-tab to other stuff running. Sweet.
Also just connected my bluetooth apple mightymouse (or whatever they're called) and that's working as well (at the same time as the keyboard)
Maybe someone will see this and find it helpful =)
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

ongre12 said:
Newer devices have advances that play well with the newer OS systems that are available so in my view retro versions may not work as well with some of the more advanced designs in the device thingy.
That said I feel the volume is plenty loud and in fact sounds really good. This is without a doubt the best 7" tablet available at this time. The Nexus 10 is the best 10" tablet available at this time, yes better than the apple products. The audio is better and the screens are better and you can set it up as you please a more mature attitude from the manufacturer if you will. Less hand holding, less paternalistic access to your device.
I bought mine at Office Max with the 20% discount, I felt that the price was almost unbelievable and was surprised when they had some left in stock.
I would like more memory 64GB would be nice but I rooted it and use stick mount to run videos and move files.
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Thank you for your valueable opinion.
To me, I'm very satisfied with another features and there was no intend to diminish Google or Nexus.
And I'm very proud of having brand-new nexus which have the sharpest screen among the world.
What I want to say is Nexus 7's audio quality is quite good but volume is low, lower than how I expected.
Within my experience, commonly, tablets usually make more powerful sound than phone but my Nexus 7 doesn't.
It seems to have simmilar power with phones. I just feel sad about that.

thenrik said:
Hi:
You might want to try these JBL Bluetooth speakers--they are loud:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009AYLDSU/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
As for Korean apps, you might try backing up the apk files and installing them. I know that Google says many of my Chinese apps are incompatible but they all work. Worth a try.
Let us know if you find a work around with bluetooth headphones, apps or anything else that works. It's going to be a rocky road with Bluetooth and 4.3. Many Bluetooth keyboards and some headphones don't work with 4.3. I'm reluctant to order anything Bluetooth without confirmation from others that it works with 4.3
I ordered some LG Bluetooth headphones in June. They worked with the Nexus 7 2012 but only played 1/4 volume on my Galaxy S3 so I returned them.
Keep us posted.
Tom
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Thank you for attention.
Bluetooth is great and easy protocol for sharing small files or connect simple devices, but it is not so good for audio.
Nexus 7 doesn't support apt-x, so bluetooth will impair Nexus 7's quite good quality sound.
At this time I have no bluetooth device so I cannnot find which one works, which one doesn't.
Sorry for bad answer.

nachtfrost said:
My sound on the headphones is good/decent. At about 1/2 volume is comfortable to me.
I'm not much of an audiophile so I don't know how impedance effects the volume. It's not extremely loud at max volume, though. I'd probably still be able to hear my music while on the lawn mower or on my motorbike but not sure about a jet plane ^^
Speakers at max volume is fine for a quiet room, but outside it probably won't be very loud.
Hope this helped some.
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Just confirming that my bluetooth keyboard (made by Anker for ~$25 on Amazon) works.
I just paired it and this is the first thing I've typed. Seems to do well. I can even alt-tab to other stuff running. Sweet.
Also just connected my bluetooth apple mightymouse (or whatever they're called) and that's working as well (at the same time as the keyboard)
Maybe someone will see this and find it helpful =)
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
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Maybe mine seems simmilar with yours, so I can think my device isn't corruped or something.
In fact I doubted my Nexus is a normal or not.
Thanks, thanks again.

Speakers are really loud. Comparable to my sons Samsung Tab and much much louder then the first gen.
As for apps, just because some apps haven't been given the green flag for 4.3 doesn't mean I won't work. I've sideloaded tons of apps that work fine.
Nothing really different between 4.3 and 4.2 cosmetically. You shouldnt want to downgrade just because a few devs haven't updated yet.
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lys2002123 said:
Some Korean apps... and sound mods like viper4android.
And i think 4.3's audio output is quieter than 4.2.
My N7 is sooo quiet, both headphones and speakers.
Low volume really makes me disappointed.
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You would have to find a ROM that boost the volume. Just going to 4.2.2 wont increase your volume. I've been playing around with some stuff to boost volume and hopefully will have a mod out soon for it
But player is right...the diff between 4.2 and 4.3 are min. They did make a lot of battery saving tweaks, BT stack tweaks and other hardware tweaks but its more hardware related then os related
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Equalizer Questions Help....

Ive searched around and ive seen a few issues with the Eq Either not working or Making it worse...
Now After going Extreme OCD mode...and wanting to throw this s4 at the wall... What would be a idealistic Rom for a Audiophile?... Along with all the extra goodies? I dont have the greatest earphones in the world But My beats Solo Hds didnt sound anywhere close to what they did on my old S2...
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Jeisin said:
Ive searched around and ive seen a few issues with the Eq Either not working or Making it worse...
Now After going Extreme OCD mode...and wanting to throw this s4 at the wall... What would be a idealistic Rom for a Audiophile?... Along with all the extra goodies? I dont have the greatest earphones in the world But My beats Solo Hds didnt sound anywhere close to what they did on my old S2...
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There see module files that don't have the proper necessary coding. I'm trying to figure something out. I understand your pain, I have sennheiser ie8s and they sound crappy compared to my tablet. Viper4 android is supposed to be really good, but personally volume+ sound boost (version 1.8) from the market was and still is my choice for audio improvement.
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It's a shame that Samsung elected to not include the Wolfson DAC in the Snapdragon-based S4 models, and it seems we'll always be limited by that. I use Player Pro with DSP Pack, which gives a full 10-band EQ. This helps for carefully boosting the low-end on my Etymotic in-ears, which is their main drawback.

Sound quality / chip

Hey guys,
maybe some of u can help me.
Im interested in the sound/audio/music quality of the OP3 in compination with headphones.
I know the quality of a Samsung S2 and S4 (both not with Wolfson chip) and i know the S3 and S5 have a variety with a Wolfson chip (never heared them).
Many people say they can hear a different between them.
Maybe some of you know the difference between them and the OP3? Or can compare?
I think about buying a OP3 and i'm really interested in the sound quality with headphones.
Thanks for any answeres and sry for my english

My OnePlus 3 arrived today and I think the quality with headphones is good. Can't hear any difference between my old Nexus 5 and the OP3 both sound good

I doing the return process for that reason, tottally disapointed with the audio quality using headphones

nexus 5 has terrible speaker

knince said:
nexus 5 has terrible speaker
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They are talking about quality of audio on headphones not the speaker.
Shamu by TT

ralph78 said:
They are talking about quality of audio on headphones not the speaker.
Shamu by TT
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got it lol

ichlernungern said:
Hey guys,
maybe some of u can help me.
Im interested in the sound/audio/music quality of the OP3 in compination with headphones.
I know the quality of a Samsung S2 and S4 (both not with Wolfson chip) and i know the S3 and S5 have a variety with a Wolfson chip (never heared them).
Many people say they can hear a different between them.
Maybe some of you know the difference between them and the OP3? Or can compare?
I think about buying a OP3 and i'm really interested in the sound quality with headphones.
Thanks for any answeres and sry for my english
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I believe the audio solution is the same as for all SD820 processors. Built-in 24bit 96khz support. Nothing out of the ordinary and not high-end but good enough for Spotify Premium and stored Flacs etc.
For Premium Audio you are better off adding an outboard DAC such as from Audioquest (Dragonfly) or Meridian Explorer. Built-in ad-hoc sound processors are almost always a compromise.
A few manufacturer, LG and HTC spring to mind, have better, separate built in DAC's and amplifiers which may suit you better if you don't want to shell out for separate ones.
Having said all this, I use an S7Edge (Exynos version) which, like the Snapdragon uses propriatory decoding and I am happy with it for music on the move. (I also use a full Cyrus home system and Grado Headphones for indoor listening to give some perspective).

The headphone quality w/ Bose QC25 is good and a LOT better than the 6P (stock) in my opinion. It still doesn't beat the iPhone 6s+ in loudness and overall sound quality using Spotify or Apple Music. For most people it's good enough and for others Viper should help a ton but for audiophiles and stock out of the box, it's not going to cut it.

latech4832 said:
I doing the return process for that reason, tottally disapointed with the audio quality using headphones
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How? at amazon? bcoz they don't support return for mobile phones in India

I'm coming from iPhone 6s and the only thing that I don't like at this device is the sound quality,external and headphones both.
Hope we can fix it a bit with viper

micr0g said:
I'm coming from iPhone 6s and the only thing that I don't like at this device is the sound quality,external and headphones both.
Hope we can fix it a bit with viper
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My dad has a 6S Plus and every android device (flagships only) I used had much much better quality with V4A installed. Not sure about OP3 though. Yet to test properly.

micr0g said:
I'm coming from iPhone 6s and the only thing that I don't like at this device is the sound quality,external and headphones both.
Hope we can fix it a bit with viper
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I read that in order to install Viper one has to:
"Setup your Device
For Samsung devices,
1. Try install V4A as user app instead of system app if the latter failed doesn’t work.
2. Use Normal Mode and select V4A FX in Settings>Sound>Music Effects.
3. If don’t work, use another player rather than Samsung stock Music player.
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1. ROOT your device.
2. Install busybox if doesn’t come with root.
3. Modify build.prop (Thanks [email protected])
a. Open up /system/build.prop in text editor using any file explorer with root access.
b. Change the line (If you can’t find these lines, skip this step.)
– “Ipa.decode=true” to “lpa.decode=false”
– “tunnel.decode=true” to “tunnel.decode=false”
– “lpa.use-stagefright=true” to “lpa.use-stagefright=false”"
do you know of any other good app to improve the audio quality of the op3 not needing to the root trick?
I find op3 audio rather flat.
Thanks

Could somebody please check if the google play music app offers you the equalizer option in its settings menu? My LG G4 does not and it is one of the (many) things I hate about it

I'm getting really good and rich sound when I use my Sony headphones and when I hook it up to my car stereo it has better sound than my iPhone really impressed with the sound...
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vdundgren said:
do you know of any other good app to improve the audio quality of the op3 not needing to the root trick?
I find op3 audio rather flat.
Thanks
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Viper is by far ur best bet. Using it myself and it improved the sound a lot. Everything else would just be an equalizer since ab adequate driver can't be installed without root.

gusano38 said:
Could somebody please check if the google play music app offers you the equalizer option in its settings menu? My LG G4 does not and it is one of the (many) things I hate about it
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it does indeed! Only way right now I can stand the poor audio quality... Hopefully V4A will work soon on OP3...

I bet some here confuse "audio quality" with "loud" or/and "much bass *LOL*
The audio quality on this device (headphone jack) IS very good, period.
If you want louder signal (and ruin your ears) or more bass (for your lame nts-nts-nts music), install V4A or something like that...
Pocketnow's measurements:
http://pocketnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/OnePlus-3-Audio-Stats.jpg

hasenbein1966 said:
I bet some here confuse "audio quality" with "loud" or/and "much bass *LOL*
The audio quality on this device (headphone jack) IS very good, period.
If you want louder signal (and ruin your ears) or more bass (for your lame nts-nts-nts music), install V4A or something like that...
Pocketnow's measurements:
http://pocketnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/OnePlus-3-Audio-Stats.jpg
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Agree, limitations are hardware based and no player will improve that. For audiophiles ... use an outboard dac/headphone amplifier.

Very disappointed with audio. What are my options

Hey guys.
I have a Pixel 2 XL and have had it for about 6 months now.
Overall I am pretty disappointed with the audio out of the phone. I am using my Ultimate Ears TF10 through a Dragonfly Black and it sounds much worse than just the TF10s through my iPhone 6s (not using the dragonfly)
I can see a few options here and seeking some feedback.
1. Root the phone (I have read on here some custom ROMs will give better gains over USB C.
2. Get a pair of Bluetooth headphones (I don't really want to do this since I already have a good set of IEMs. Also are there any restrictions with Bluetooth such as compression etc.
3. Sell the phone and go get an LG v30 with its quad DAC.
Overall I'm pretty happy with the phone but the audio is very disappointing and I spend a few hours commuting today so it's a real let down.
Let me know what everyone thinks
Thanks guys
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Root using Magisk and install the following modules.
Viper4Android FX Materialized
Ainur Sauron
Audio Compatibility Patch
Audio Modification Library
Those four modules should improve the sound quality.

Thorpef101 said:
Hey guys.
I have a Pixel 2 XL and have had it for about 6 months now.
Overall I am pretty disappointed with the audio out of the phone. I am using my Ultimate Ears TF10 through a Dragonfly Black and it sounds much worse than just the TF10s through my iPhone 6s (not using the dragonfly)
I can see a few options here and seeking some feedback.
1. Root the phone (I have read on here some custom ROMs will give better gains over USB C.
2. Get a pair of Bluetooth headphones (I don't really want to do this since I already have a good set of IEMs. Also are there any restrictions with Bluetooth such as compression etc.
3. Sell the phone and go get an LG v30 with its quad DAC.
Overall I'm pretty happy with the phone but the audio is very disappointing and I spend a few hours commuting today so it's a real let down.
Let me know what everyone thinks
Thanks guys
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/themes/pixel-2-usb-audio-control-t3704024/page16

I am surprised you are having such a bad expierience.
The USB only audio (no headset jack) advantage is that you can use better DAC/Amps than on a regular smartphone.
My measurements of the various ones out there all show pretty decent specs (with some exceptions).
The stock Google dongle is excellent (it's a custom Realtec chip), I am testing the new one this weekend. Sure, using my gain control app will get you a bit cleaner tracing but whether that's audible or not, hard to say.
Apt X bluetooth with the Mee BT adapter is also very good.
I wonder if perhaps your transducer(s) in the headphone/IEM aren't working properly. That happened to me a couple of years ago with my SE846 and it drove me nuts until I figured it out.
Another thing to check: What source are you listening to? Your own rips (and what player), Spotify, G music etc? Let me know and we can go from there, as the problems vary between each one. Do you use the on board equalizer or any equalizer? If so what gains, bands?

I just tested the new dongle and re evaluated the USB audio in Pie - the implementation is substantially better and the gains are now properly optimized.
So, I don't think your issue is a Dac dongle problem, unless it is defective.

Thanks for the help so far guys.
Source is Spotify 320 kbps.
I don't think it's the headphones as it sounds fine when I plug back into my iPhone.
I might do some more testing this afternoon when I get home as my wife has the same phone.
I also have a pair of MEE X7 Bluetooth earphones and I am more impressed with these via Bluetooth (yes they are boomy but I can tell that the Bluetooth dac isn't being restricted)
I'll fill in once I have tested on my wife's phone tonight
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Edit: NVM. I see someone else suggested viper

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Root using Magisk and install the following modules.
Viper4Android FX Materialized
Ainur Sauron
Audio Compatibility Patch
Audio Modification Library
Those four modules should improve the sound quality.
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Do these work on Pie?

pizza_pablo said:
Do these work on Pie?
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Considering I'm on Android 9 as we speak, yes.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Considering I'm on Android 9 as we speak, yes.
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I couldn't tell you were running the Pie.
Thanks!

pizza_pablo said:
I couldn't tell you were running the Pie.
Thanks!
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I don't exactly advertise it. ?

I'm running those same audio mods and have no complaints with sound... Are you sure you have everything enabled in magisk property? Is V4A showing "processing =yes" when you are playing music?

My P2XL is not rooted and on Pie.
The only thing I've really missed, so far, is Dolby Atmos.
Since it's not available for Pie, I've been holding off rooting.
While searching for an audio booster, I found this app. Believe it, or not, it sounds almost as good as Dolby Atmos. I'm still tweaking it.