[Q] Backing Up N7 2 - Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A

Hi All. First time poster. I've been an iOS guy since the 3GS, but over the last 6 months or so started to look at moving away from Apple due to their price structure. After picking up a N7 2 for a fraction of the cost of an rMini, I couldn't be happier and might never go back to Apple. I'm still getting use to the differences between the ecosystems and the differences in how things worked. It's amazing how many things are different.
The one nice thing I liked about Apple/iTunes/iOS was the way you could backup a device and when you restored it even GUI preferences were restored. So if you had a News folder all your news apps were in the folder in the same location on the screen.
I've done some searching, and I know there are some third party apps that do local backups but I haven't been able to find if there is anything, including the stock Google backup, that will do a backup to include system settings to the same level of detail as iTunes did. Can someone point me in the right directions? Does Titanium Backup do this? What all does the stock backup program backup? When you restore an Android device is it smart enough to redownload all the apps that were on the device? Is there a part of this question that I'm missing?

System settings don't get restored for the most part. This is due to it causing problems (especially when flashing ROMs). Homescreens can be saved if you use a third party launcher such as nova or apex. Titanium can backup system apps like settings and restore it, but that can cause major issues, so just avoid it. Stock backup can backup apps, photos, pretty much just core things. When restoring, there's an option to allow the device to restore all your apps.

prsterero said:
System settings don't get restored for the most part. This is due to it causing problems (especially when flashing ROMs). Homescreens can be saved if you use a third party launcher such as nova or apex. Titanium can backup system apps like settings and restore it, but that can cause major issues, so just avoid it. Stock backup can backup apps, photos, pretty much just core things. When restoring, there's an option to allow the device to restore all your apps.
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So what I'm hearing is that if you want to make sure that you get a good restore it's best to always start from scratch.

A0425A said:
So what I'm hearing is that if you want to make sure that you get a good restore it's best to always start from scratch.
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Not always. The restoring of apps is usually only an issue with restoring data of ones that were used on ICS and then you flashed a jb ROM. I've always restored app and data with titanium and never had an issue. Just don't do that with system apk's.
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Titanium Backup. Has anyone lost faith in it?

I'm hating it with a passion and I don't know if its something that I may be missing. I purchased the full version and use it to ''Backup Apps + Data'' since I know that backing up system data screws up your phone.
Everytime I switch ROMs I run ''restore apps + data'' and upon completion I run into a ton of force closes and terrible lag issues. I also notice that the lag happens when I'm browsing on 4g. (the force closes happen all the time with almost all the apps)
I end up downloading all my apps all over again and losing my achievements and progress in games. I beat Angry Birds in like 2 days and now I have to do it again.
By the way I always download the busybox in the problems link in titanium backup. I always wipe dalvik and factory reset in between ROMs.
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I only get problems when I restore system apps, If I just restore user apps there is no problem. dont restore system data, it will overwrite the good new stuff in the new rom you just flashed and frankenstein it into both the old and the new, hence yhe fc's
sounds like you're restoring something you shouldn't. Don't just do a batch restore, make sure that you're only restoring the apps you want.
Different roms work with different version of wireless tether, spare parts, etc. Just as ZJ mentioned, you restore something that a new rom changed and it could cause problems.
Also, be careful switching between Sense and AOSP Roms, even with just user apps. People have had problems with that. But going from AOSP rom to AOSP rom, I've never had a problem. (I have the paid version, and I switch back and forth constantly.)
I wouldn't say that I've lost faith in TB, but I have never really been a big fan of it. The only things I b/u with TB is Angry Birds, and bookmarks. Everything else I b/u to Astro, or just re-d/l from the market. I try to do a clean install from the market whenever switching ROMS to avoid any data issues.
I use it every time I do a rom to restore all my apps and certain system data. The green things are typically OK to restore to any LIKE rom (sense or ASOP)
Restore like sms messages, bluetooth, wireless, etc.
Don't restore the red stuff.
Ok I will try some of those suggestions.
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GQ- I feel your pain. I only just recently started flashing roms and I experienced the exact problem you described.
I went from stock to CM6.1 At first it was nice and fast. After I did the batch Titanium restore it started to get really laggy!
Like someone suggested don't restore important system related stuff (such as system settings) I actually ended up using MyBackUp Pro because it seemed to restore with less stability issues.
Another good idea IMO is to d/l a screen saver app. You can find them in the market. Take a pic of each of your home screens so that you can copy them exactly when you flash your new ROM. Just a lil something I personally do...
Does titanium not work well with an Apps2Sd?
SantinoInc said:
GQ- I feel your pain. I only just recently started flashing roms and I experienced the exact problem you described.
I went from stock to CM6.1 At first it was nice and fast. After I did the batch Titanium restore it started to get really laggy!
Like someone suggested don't restore important system related stuff (such as system settings) I actually ended up using MyBackUp Pro because it seemed to restore with less stability issues.
Another good idea IMO is to d/l a screen saver app. You can find them in the market. Take a pic of each of your home screens so that you can copy them exactly when you flash your new ROM. Just a lil something I personally do...
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I'm very anal about my home screen and have it set up the same way regardless of what ROM I use. It's easy for me to remember because I prefer using 3 screens. I just notice lag when scrolling through my apps or random force closes on apps I use often. Like you mentioned before I only do a batch backup of installed apps and then I restore apps + data only (not system data).
The mistake I was probably making was having the restore overwrite the newer/existing versions of the same app that came with the ROM I just flashed.
I have noticed when I do a titanium full batch app & all data restore my emails will not auto sync. I have to open and refresh to get it to work.

Few questions with flashing ROMs

So I've been using mikfroyo for a bit now, then I wanted to try and switch to CyanogenMod 6.6.1(i think?)
Regardless, I did all the main steps...backing up all the apps...nandroid backup...wipe of everything...install ROM however a few issues arose that I wanted to address when I flashed Cyanogen..these issues all caused me to restore my mikfroyo..
1. When I try and restore all my apps and data with Titanium, it asks me to install EACH AND EVERY app that I ever downloaded before. Is there a way I can just auto accept them all? Am I pressing the right buttons for backing up and restoring? I usually run the batch operation "Backup all user apps + system data" and when restoring I always select "Restore all apps with data"
2. I could not post my original wallpaper that I had from mikfroyo, it would either use a random cyanogen themed wallpaper, or the screen would just go blank
3. All my saved game data was officially gone. Honestly this was the biggest issue, playing a game where you level up for months just to see it all go to waste is just demoralizing.
If anyone has the answers to these issues I'd be very grateful. I'd really like to explore beyond the world of MikFroYo!
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R1pTheJacka said:
So I've been using mikfroyo for a bit now, then I wanted to try and switch to CyanogenMod 6.6.1(i think?)
Regardless, I did all the main steps...backing up all the apps...nandroid backup...wipe of everything...install ROM however a few issues arose that I wanted to address when I flashed Cyanogen..these issues all caused me to restore my mikfroyo..
1. When I try and restore all my apps and data with Titanium, it asks me to install EACH AND EVERY app that I ever downloaded before. Is there a way I can just auto accept them all? Am I pressing the right buttons for backing up and restoring? I usually run the batch operation "Backup all user apps + system data" and when restoring I always select "Restore all apps with data"
2. I could not post my original wallpaper that I had from mikfroyo, it would either use a random cyanogen themed wallpaper, or the screen would just go blank
3. All my saved game data was officially gone. Honestly this was the biggest issue, playing a game where you level up for months just to see it all go to waste is just demoralizing.
If anyone has the answers to these issues I'd be very grateful. I'd really like to explore beyond the world of MikFroYo!
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1) Sadly no
2) I don't understand this question?
3) If you saved with Titanium this shouldn't be an issue
1) there is a way to not have to install all apps automatically but you have to purchase the paid app of titanium backup.
2) which wallpaper are you trying to use??? I also don't understand this question.
3) with titanium backup it saves the data for the apps you backup. Bit you need to make sure that you choose the correct batch to backup.
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1) that is a limitation of the free version sadly. Titanium is one of the few apps I can honestly say was worth paying for & now it's actually on the market unlike the way I had to buy it
2) all old wallpapers will be gone from that directory sorry :/
3) you just wiped EVERYTHING! However, with titanium you'll be able to restore game data hopefully
sorry for being undescriptive about number 2, but what i mean is that when i used mikfroyo i just had a wallpaper of a hot girl, and when i switched to CMod it automatically set the wallpaper as soemthing from CMod of course, but when i tried to set it back to ANYTHING else of mine the wallpaper would either switch to another CMod wallpaper, or the wallpaper would just be black
also i hear a lot about mybackup as an alternative, can anyone confirm that my issues wont occur using this app as opposed to titanium? (saved data/installing each and every app one by one)
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sorry for being undescriptive about number 2, but what i mean is that when i used mikfroyo i just had a wallpaper of a hot girl, and when i switched to CMod it automatically set the wallpaper as soemthing from CMod of course, but when i tried to set it back to ANYTHING else of mine the wallpaper would either switch to another CMod wallpaper, or the wallpaper would just be black
also i hear a lot about mybackup as an alternative, can anyone confirm that my issues wont occur using this app as opposed to titanium? (saved data/installing each and every app one by one)
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I used MyBackup Root and it was pretty seamless to me. I've never used titanium so I don't know how to compare it. MyBackup Root does APK's and their data though, and it's all automatic

Titanium vs. MyBackup Pro [FIGHT!]

Why would you choose Titanium over MyBackup? I know that a majority of the users have Titanium but I don't understand why. What are the differences? I have MyBackupPro and it has worked flawlessly forever! FIGHT!
I've had Titanium for so long, I can't be bothered to try something new/different..
It just works.
With options like freezing apps, pulling backups from nands, and controlling market links, Titanium is hard to beat. Add to that syncing to dropbox and it is a pretty good package.
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With options like freezing apps, pulling backups from nands, and controlling market links, Titanium is hard to beat. Add to that syncing to dropbox and it is a pretty good package.
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Freezing, wiping cache, and wiping data are also available on mybackup pro, controling market links also. How would syncing to dropbox be helpful?
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Freezing, wiping cache, and wiping data are also available on mybackup pro, controling market links also. How would syncing to dropbox be helpful?
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Your backup is stored safely in your dropbox in case of an sd card crash or your phone gets lost or stolen. You will still have your backup to put on the replacement.
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Your backup is stored safely in your dropbox in case of an sd card crash or your phone gets lost or stolen. You will still have your backup to put on the replacement.
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okay, thats pretty cool, other than that, it looks like a wash. I don't think I need to buy Titanium, MBP works fine, and also offers the option of storing backups online.
After almost 1 year using MBP I tried Titanium Backup. TB is faster at backing up system data and users apps and also restoring but a little too complicated compared to MBP. Also MBP can restore apps directly to the SD card(only apps with that option obviously). Maybe TB can do it too but I can't find that option.
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Right, MyBackup Pro can do ALL item titanium can do, and more.
It can backup the SMS, MMS, contacts, other system data from ANY Android version to a different Android version, so you can go from Android 2.x to Android 4.x, which titanium cannot do.
If you want faster backup and restores of Applications and their Data, you can turn on the Busy Box option in the options of MyBackup (Pro).
Also, MyBackup Root is FREE and does a lot more than the free titanium
When I do full restore of system data on Titanium I get all my settings back and have had no problem going from Froyo to Gingerbread with a backup. I don't think you have used it in a while.
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With options like freezing apps, pulling backups from nands, and controlling market links, Titanium is hard to beat. Add to that syncing to dropbox and it is a pretty good package.
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As well as scheduled back ups and the customizability ( made up word?) of the backups
I bought both and went ultimately with Titanium. Mainly, it was because, at the time, MyBackup did not have a master page to see what apps were frozen. You had to select each one at a time. In Titanium Backup you could see all your apps and the frozen ones had a blue bar highlight.
Titanium. The end. I used to use mbp, but I got fc's or the app just wouldn't show up after restoring
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The best thing to do is really to try both.
You can get the free MyBackup Root application, which gives you just about everything you need, and the free titanium, and try them out.
MyBackup Pro does have all items Root has, plus a few more items like freezing/disabling bloatware, market linking/detaching, etc...
It's seems they are almost identical Apps. The main difference is the interface,
My Backup Pro seems to be a LOT more user friendly whereas Titanium is for more technical minded people who love control over every little thing.
My Backup Pro - Simple interface and seems not to need root, good for the normal user or the occasional rom flashing.
Titanium Backup PRO - Geared more to the technical minded who likes exploring and control, and compulsive rom flashers.
MyBackup Pro doesn't have DropBox functionality because they also make money out of selling more space online for your backups.
A way around it is to manually get your backups on your SD Card to your DropBox yourself.
In the end it comes down to a matter of preference, as they both much do the same thing
I use Titanium and I like to be able to choose every little thing I'm backing up but on the other hand there is the case of the 'unfriendly' interface (which I gotten used by now but had to do some reading on some bits).
Titanium really needs a Usability Engineer(?) on their team. They would benefit having a 'Normal' and an 'Expert' mode for their interface.
Agreed. Titanium Backup should revamp the interface or give us a choice of interfaces: Classic or Simple
I use MBP, but I don't like it. When I first used it on Froyo and Gingerbread, it rocked. Now on Jelly Bean it regularly force closes, it doesn't copy all the data for applications, some applications don't backup or restore properly. I have never had any problems with Titanium, ever. It's just so darn cumbersome.
I have used Titanium backup on 3 different devices, from Froyo to KitKat, over the past 3 years. It has worked fine thru it all. Backups & Restores are a snap to do, and are reliable. Only problems ever has been an occasional hang up, where I have had to do a shutdown, reboot, but it did not seem to affect the restore.
Love MBP, never had a problem.
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MyBackup Pro now supports Dropbox
Hey guys the new version 4.2 of MyBackup Pro now allows you to use your Dropbox account as the Cloud storage option for Backups and Restore. You can use this by running the app and hitting Menu->Options then select the "Cloud Storage Location" option and selecting Dropbox.

[Q] Widgets Dissapearing after reboot, regular launcher, no root

I am completely stock and I have never rooted my phone or done anything other than use Go Launcher Ex up until a month ago. I recently discovered that I don't have to use the TWLauncher but that I can in fact use the regular Launcher on my Epic 4g Touch. So I uninstalled Go Launcher and started using the regular launcher (I'm on FI27 by the way).
The problem is all of my widgets dissapear off of my home screen after each and every reboot (and yes, I wait for Media scanning to complete. Still nothing). This is true for stock widgets and 3rd party widgets. The only issue I've found like this in my Google searches are people that had their apps/widgets moved to their SD card. Mine are not. I'm completely stumped. I really don't want to use the TW launcher and as much as I like the flexibility of Go Launcher EX I really really like the smoothnes and simplicity of the standard launcher and would hate to have to go back either of the other ones.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to do a wipe simply because I am really lazy and don't want to have to reinstall my apps again, but if you think that is necassary please recommend the best way to make the app download and reinstallation as quick as possible for my lazy behind.
Thanks!
App Backup & Restore from play store will backup the apps but not data. There are similar apps for backing up sms and call logs too.
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App Backup & Restore from play store will backup the apps but not data. There are similar apps for backing up sms and call logs too.
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So I'm guessing from your reply that you either A: Have not heard of this issue and therefore do not know of a fix or B: You have heard of it and the fix is to restore my device.
I'll give it another day or two to see if anyone else has come across this and found a fix but I guess I'm gonna have to try a wipe. I just hope that works.
Thank you for your suggestions sir and I will start researching further to try and make my restore as fast as possible.

Titanium Backup alternatives?

Ok I flashed a stock ruu.zip and restored full stock firmware
I have never seen this phone so smooth and fast
but...as I restored my apps with titanium backup everything was just as always.....scrolling doesn't feel 60fps, and I have a trained eye (play at 75hz on pc)
I always had this feeling of titanium f+k!ng up the rom, but this time is too obvious.
so, is there any alternative app for just user app backup/restore? something decent, updated and that just works
I restored 20 apps, I don't think that the problem is app quantity...or root itself
Thank you for your attention
I doubt that TiBu is the culprit. What might be happening is that you are experiencing corruption or issues related to migrating data from ROM versions using the wrong method, which is why TiBu offers different methods (XML vs 'snapshot') of backup and restore. I'm not sure from a technical standpoint why that would possibly affect your performance - perhaps someone else can explain, but I've never noticed any issue with TiBu at all.
Thank you very much for your comment
I have always kept backups not only changing roms, but also phones
For example. these backups are partially from nexus 5x and m9
Which method should I use to ensure a decent compatibility?
I've never had an issue with titanium either changing rooms from sense to aosp and back and phones. I would install one thing at a time and reboot after each install to figure out which package is causing the lag. Sounds tedious but it's the only way to figure where your issue is
I'm going to flash stock back and use titanium just for few necessary apps
let's see if I'm crazy or not
anyway, I think that mine is a very small problem that not anyone would notice....these stutters are veeery very small

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