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Note 2 vs nexus 4

So guys I'm in a dilemma here I have both phones right now sealed in the box I don't know which one to keep and which one to sell. I'm in Canada so lte works on the nexus 4. What do you guys suggest ? Thanks

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I was in the same dilemma as well. If you don't mind the size, the Note 2 is the better choice. The Nexus 4 may get the faster updates but we're on xda anyway so pretty much any phone with a good community will get updates.

Personally, if I had a choice between those 2 phones, I would prefer the Note 2. I'm a bit biased because I've been with Samsung for so long and I don't trust any other brand other than them. LOL. But from an unbiased point, the Nexus 4 provides faster updates (as mentioned), the Krait processor, and it's Google. Note 2 has a bunch of useful features and now we have some very reputable and brilliant developers in our community which will jump start our development. There's even an Android 4.2 (WIP) coming for us!

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So guys I'm in a dilemma here I have both phones right now sealed in the box I don't know which one to keep and which one to sell. I'm in Canada so lte works on the nexus 4. What do you guys suggest ? Thanks
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Note 2 hands down...more features and great dev support.
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I've used both and ended up sticking with the note 2 there's nothing out there right now that can compare to its specs not even goggles own baby
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Did you ask this same question in the Nexus 4 section? lol...It's gonna be hard to get an unbiased opinion when you ask a question like that in a section specifically for one of the phones
Having said that, I had the LG Optimus G, and aside from the LG skin (which wasn't TOO horrible) it was a good phone, but I still promptly exchanged it for a Note 2 and don't regret it one bit. I have never had good experiences with LG phones. The display was beautiful though.

I have a note 2 and my buddy has a nexus 4. I thought the nexus 4 screen looks way better then note 2 screen hands down in my opinion. The build quality and feel of nexus 4 is also much better. However no removable battery no lte, and no sd card support are major deal breakers. 16gb is just not enough with games and apps installed. At least if they made a 32gb version.
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The nexus 4 has some attractive points. LTE maybe less of an issue if you in Canada. The screen is nice and it's a fast performer.
But for me the lack of MicroSD and non-removable is a no go for me. Not only is battery life on the Note 2 awesome, but I have a spare battery i can use if every needed. I also really like having the s pen and the 5.5" screen i greatly enjoy. The size of the note is not for everyone, I'm OK with it.
You have to decide how important each of these factors are to you. Once you do that I'm sure you'll be happy with your choice.

If note 2 was made by LG and nexus 4 by Samsung, I'd say go for nexus 4...
Personally I'm staying away from anything LG, I had enough gray hair with LG Nitro HD, thank you very much.

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If note 2 was made by LG and nexus 4 by Samsung, I'd say go for nexus 4...
Personally I'm staying away from anything LG, I had enough gray hair with LG Nitro HD, thank you very much.
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You're lucky you never tried the Thrill then...
I need more time before trying LG again. The guy at the AT&T store tried to get me to buy the Optimus G when the Note was not in stock yet. The nexus might be okay if LG isn't responsible for the software.
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When you ask such question in Note 2 forum, my feeling is that you are going to get some bias answer.
I have both phones, and I think both phone are top notch in their own way. Here's what I think:
Nexus 4
- Very solid build, the construction is as solid as iPhone. Feels great in hand.
- The display does produce some relatively accurate colour compare to my IPS displays. I do a lot of photo editing/viewing. On the other hand, the sAMOLED does throw the colour off a bit by over saturated (nature of AMOLED), with the "natural" profile on Note2, it does become closer to real colour. Pixel density on the N4 is also better, but it's not critical as the Note 2 display is pretty sharp with the sAMOLED HD.
- AOSP, AOSP, AOSP! If you aren't a fan of Touchwiz, this is what you should keep. Not just the updates, as they don't come everyday. It's the user experience. Samsung does add a lot of neat feature that many can't live without, but in my honest opinion, AOSP does provide a nice layout and great feature out the box. I am also not a huge fan of Samsung's oversized UI, either.
- Believe it or not, the on screen button is a very important "feature" of N4 - You now have a place to put your thumb when you hold the phone, especially when passing the phone to people to show them stuff...without accidentally touching any of the buttons. However, also because of the on screen button, you do lose some screen estate.
- Buttery smooth, yes, smoother than the "more powerful" Note 2
- The price - You are indeed getting a lot of phone for the price that you are paying.
- Battery is medicore, partially due to bugs of 4.2 I believe. Dead locks are draining the battery.
- Lack of SD card might be a deal breaker for you. It isn't for me.
- Camera sucks.
Note 2
- Huge display, this is probably the max that you can carry with the borderline portability. The display is beneficial for reading stuff, browsing, sharing contents with friends
- The battery is ridiculous. The size, with the power management of the software makes it unreal. I get average 2 hours of light/moderate usage per 10%, on LTE.
- Touchwiz - To use the full features of the Note2, you probably don't want AOSP. The S-Pen works well with touchwiz, and I find touchwiz works well with large displays due to the oversized UI elements
- Size - It's pocketable, but it's not extremely comfortable. Taking in and out, using it in public, talking on it looks very awkward. No matter how big your hands are, how big of a person you are, this IS larger than your average phone by a lot
- One hand usability - Samsung does have some one hand accessibility but in general, reaching for places around the screen is a struggle with one hand
- Great sound - Speaker, and headphone jack.
- Strong vibrator
- S Pen - Unless you have a use for it, it's a gimmick. It's fun to fool around with it, but the hype tends to die off quickly
- FAST charging. Nexus 4 is fast, but Note 2 is even faster consider it's massive battery. This is a very important feature to me.
- Impressive camera, but not that it's any/much better than that of SGS3
- Oh, if you don't have a 7" tablet yet, this should fill that gap a bit.
As it stands, Note 2 has some very attractive points to me, such as the large display for reading and the insane battery life that makes me not to worry about being close to a charger. However, I don't feel comfortable using it on a daily basis due to the size. WIth that said, I am using a Note 2 now as I gave my Nexus 4 (8GB) to my other half. I have a 16GB coming in a month, and I will re-evaluate it again by then.
These two phones are pretty much Android in it's best form in today's market, and they are not substitutable for each other due to the different nature of them. The phone war has evolved to beyond to the specs-war just like computing world. The "better specs" of Note 2 doesn't necessary determine whether the phone is better or not, and with that said, Nexus 4 specs is pretty impressive too. You need to pick your own base on your need
Hope it helps a bit with your decision! Any more specific questions you have that can help with your decision, just ask. It's a tough one to make.

Awesome thanks for the input its a huge decision I think of will end up keeping the note
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The Nexus 4 ultimately had too many drawbacks for me to consider it. The thermal throttling issues with the S4Pro processor, the non-swapable battery with less than stellar battery life, the limited storage without microSD expansion, the glass back prone to cracking, and no LTE. And now we find out that the Nexus 4 cannot support USB-OTG, so all those who bought one thinking they could move files over to an external drive are SOL. No USB keyboards/mice/Dualshock etc. Not a big deal if you have bluetooth peripherals, but I want to have as many options as possible. The Note II is a superhero in that regard...

I have the Note 2 and personally love it, but if you don't need the size, then nexus 4 is a much better option. I love the vanilla 4.2 JB and the screen is much crispier, any build quality is top notch [I have both phones]
If note 2 had a 1080 display then, I would so Note 2 hands down.

Get a quality BT headphone and you won't have to worry about how you look to other people...personally I really could give a rats behind how others think...but hey that's just me...
Nexus vs Note II...to me it all comes down to do you want the biggest best phone or a smaller phone that doesn't offer as much.
S-pen is there if you need it...and it's always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
ASOP...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2046616..it has a few minor glitches...but if this is your thing...then enjoy it.
Smoothness...drop this one in...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2028661 add Nova launcher and tweak it...and your golden...
Memory card...your going to want one...just to fill up with all of the videos you'll be watching and music you'll be rocking to...
My advice...prop them both up side by side and watch any video on it...browse the internet..then ask yourself...which offers you what you want/need to enjoy it with
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Mac11700 said:
Get a quality BT headphone and you won't have to worry about how you look to other people...personally I really could give a rats behind how others think...but hey that's just me...
Nexus vs Note II...to me it all comes down to do you want the biggest best phone or a smaller phone that doesn't offer as much.
S-pen is there if you need it...and it's always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
ASOP...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2046616..it has a few minor glitches...but if this is your thing...then enjoy it.
Smoothness...drop this one in...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2028661 add Nova launcher and tweak it...and your golden...
Memory card...your going to want one...just to fill up with all of the videos you'll be watching and music you'll be rocking to...
My advice...prop them both up side by side and watch any video on it...browse the internet..then ask yourself...which offers you what you want/need to enjoy it with
Mac
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Mac,
No offense but I think your post is pretty bias.
- Yes, you can always bring a BT headset, but shouldn't you be able to hold a phone comfortably on your face instead of having to depend on a BT headset in order to not look silly? Also, how about the people that don't like bluetooth headset in general?
- S-Pen, yes, it's better to have but at what cost? Size of the phone?
- Touchwiz isn't without it's own glitches, whether AOSP or not is a pure preferences whether it has bugs or not. I actually find touchwiz works well with GN2, AOSP won't.
- Smoothness, sorry, Note 2 just isn't as smooth as a N4 no matter what launcher you put in. It could be due to settings, but out the box even with Nova, it's not there.
- Memory Card - why must he get one?
I do agree with Note 2 having better specs, but the cost is the size. If you can live with the size and Touchwiz, there isn't a reason not to get Note2....but only if you can live with the size.
Cheers.

cy88 said:
shouldn't you be able to hold a phone comfortably on your face instead of having to depend on a BT headset in order to not look silly?
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Caring about what other people think of you holding a phone to your face reeks of insecurity to me. "Looking Silly" is the last thing that would sway me from buying an excellent device.
Remember how small phones used to be ten years ago? It wasn't that long ago when people also thought 3.5" smartphones were huge.

cy88 said:
Mac,
No offense but I think your post is pretty bias.
- Yes, you can always bring a BT headset, but shouldn't you be able to hold a phone comfortably on your face instead of having to depend on a BT headset in order to not look silly? Also, how about the people that don't like bluetooth headset in general?
- S-Pen, yes, it's better to have but at what cost? Size of the phone?
- Touchwiz isn't without it's own glitches, whether AOSP or not is a pure preferences whether it has bugs or not. I actually find touchwiz works well with GN2, AOSP won't.
- Smoothness, sorry, Note 2 just isn't as smooth as a N4 no matter what launcher you put in. It could be due to settings, but out the box even with Nova, it's not there.
- Memory Card - why must he get one?
I do agree with Note 2 having better specs, but the cost is the size. If you can live with the size and Touchwiz, there isn't a reason not to get Note2....but only if you can live with the size.
Cheers.
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Cy8888, that's funny you said Mac's post was biased because that's exactly what I thought when I read your long post above.
Remember, the OP asked what people thought and the reply's have been, for the most part, just that. Almost every statement you made in your lengthy post was "your opinion", certainly not facts. For example, I use the S-Pen daily and love it's added benefit and it, in my opinion, is not a gimmick as you stated.
So, no need to call out another forum members post when he is doing the same as you...giving his opinion as requested by the OP.:angel:

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Cy8888, that's funny you said Mac's post was biased because that's exactly what I thought when I read your long post above.
Remember, the OP asked what people thought and the reply's have been, for the most part, just that. Almost every statement you made in your lengthy post was "your opinion", certainly not facts. For example, I use the S-Pen daily and love it's added benefit and it, in my opinion, is not a gimmick as you stated.
So, no need to call out another forum members post when he is doing the same as you...giving his opinion as requested by the OP.:angel:
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I was bias because I love/have the Note 2 so much but the size, right?
What I said: "S Pen -Unless you have a use for it, it's a gimmick." - You do, so it's not a gimmick for you for sure. I know a few people that do have a use for it and I am impressed with how they make use of it for work purposes.
Which other point of my post is pure bias? I simply listed out the things I from with using both devices, I never said one is better for another for everyone. However Mac did say that "you are GOING to want one", "BUGS with 4.2", etc etc to just praise the Note 2. OP is trying to make a decision, and words like that aren't going to make his choice easier is it?
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Caring about what other people think of you holding a phone to your face reeks of insecurity to me. "Looking Silly" is the last thing that would sway me from buying an excellent device.
Remember how small phones used to be ten years ago? It wasn't that long ago when people also thought 3.5" smartphones were huge.
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I might have worded it wrong, but the fact that it's bigger than normal does draw attention. Yes, you can choose not to care about anyone thinks at all, but there are some actually "dont" want to draw that type of attention with a device. It is a fact that Note 2 is humongous, and that's ALSO it's selling point. Unless you have a need and can live with the size, otherwise you might want to look at other alternatives like SGS3 (which i have one sitting here also if you want comparison) that offers something in the middle.
I apologize if I've rubbed anyone the wrong way, wasn't the intention.
Cheers!

[Q] buy a note 2014 or not

ok guys i got a simple question
here is what i plain to use it for
School (industrial design major) i use a few autodesk apps on my note 3 and Spen makes it easy.
Games (the basic racing type + clash of clans i do own a Moga Pro Power)
the web. every once in a blue moon i might use it for media
I can't make up my mind do i get this and Hope Samsung fixes the Touch Screen
or do i burn my pocket on a Note Pro 12
and hows the Bluetooth is it any good. (moga drops a lot on stock Note 3 but runs perfect on wicked rom)
i had a first gen lenovo yoga 13 and it never left my hands. so for size anything under 13 I'm fine with
i think for a laptop replacement 8" is to small
I'm open to here your recommendation
i will not buy apple anything..mostly because i have almost 1000$ in apps on Google play
right now what I'm looking at
Note 10.1 (2014)
Note Pro 12.2
ASUS 10.1 prime + dock (i had a TF201 and TF101 loved them both but miss first gen dock)
and what ever you guys think
to top this all off i need it for class in 17 days

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It's a giant N3 with a LCD vs. AMOLED display. For that matter, so is the N12. If you like the N3, as tablets go, you'd like the big ones also.
I can't make up my mind do i get this and Hope Samsung fixes the Touch Screen
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LOL. The same poster of the "multitouch expose" in this forum has a similar thread going in the N3 forum. I never took the time to figure out whether my N3 and N10.1-14 were affected and haven't had an issue with either. I don't count something as a problem unless it affects what I do every day. If I have to download apps and go through multiple non-typical gyrations to prove something's wrong it's probably not relevant in the first place.
Hows the Bluetooth is it any good. (moga drops a lot on stock Note 3 but runs perfect on wicked rom)
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Some early N10.1-14's had a h/w issue where HID devices couldn't hold connections. It's quieted down so perhaps whatever the issue was has been corrected in production. I use BT constantly and have never had an issue; in fact it's better than any device I've previously used. But I have a Gear connected to my N3 along with my car multiple hours a day and never had an issue with it either.

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It's a giant N3 with a LCD vs. AMOLED display. For that matter, so is the N12. If you like the N3, as tablets go, you'd like the big ones also.
LOL. The same poster of the "multitouch expose" in this forum has a similar thread going in the N3 forum. I never took the time to figure out whether my N3 and N10.1-14 were affected and haven't had an issue with either. I don't count something as a problem unless it affects what I do every day. If I have to download apps and go through multiple non-typical gyrations to prove something's wrong it's probably not relevant in the first place.
Some early N10.1-14's had a h/w issue where HID devices couldn't hold connections. It's quieted down so perhaps whatever the issue was has been corrected in production. I use BT constantly and have never had an issue; in fact it's better than any device I've previously used. But I have a Gear connected to my N3 along with my car multiple hours a day and never had an issue with it either.
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i agree 95% with what your saying just as a heads up i plain to buy whatever i buy from amazon (500$ gift card from B-day)
i had a feeling the very early BT issue was fixedo. but a lot of games i play use 2 or 3 touches at a time can you say for sure that your not having problems with multi touch? I plain to use Spen a lot With CAD software witch means having my palm or so resting on the screen. ghost touching is my fear with Swipe on the keyboard as well it's about 95% how i type and 50% the reason i got a note 3 and not a nexus 5 (other 50% was the Spen).
i know i sound a little unsure but only because i want it to last the next 2 years with school i will not have the cash to go a new route later with school 6 days a week working just don't work.
and yes love my N3 but my first one died in flames while on it's own charger the 2nd day i had it 2nd one has been good for about 2 months now..

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But a lot of games i play use 2 or 3 touches at a time can you say for sure that your not having problems with multi touch? I plain to use Spen a lot With CAD software witch means having my palm or so resting on the screen. ghost touching is my fear with Swipe on the keyboard as well it's about 95% how i type and 50% the reason i got a note 3 and not a nexus 5 (other 50% was the Spen).
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I'm not a big gamer on my tablet so I can't really comment. I do use S Pen a lot and have my palm all over the display and have never had an issue. I also use swipe a lot on Samsung's stock mini-keyboard and have never had an issue there either. Do you live near a Costco? You can buy a N10.1-14 there, play with it for a week, and then return it and use your Amazon gift card to buy one from them if it meets your needs.

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I'm not a big gamer on my tablet so I can't really comment. I do use S Pen a lot and have my palm all over the display and have never had an issue. I also use swipe a lot on Samsung's stock mini-keyboard and have never had an issue there either. Do you live near a Costco? You can buy a N10.1-14 there, play with it for a week, and then return it and use your Amazon gift card to buy one from them if it meets your needs.
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closest one is 56miles and not listed in stock:crying: expecting 4~6ft of snow in next 48 hours

I had the tf201 transformer prime before as well. Reason I went for the note, I rarely used the keyboard but I was always wishing I could annotate pdfs and take notes more easily.
And you can always buy a BT keyboard for your note if you need to write longer text.

[Q] Would you buy it again?

Thinking about getting one of these 32gb refurbished. Would you buy it again? Most of the reviews talk about laggy performance. Did the updates fix it at all?
Battery life decent? Torn between this and an iPad Air. I am experienced with both iOS and Android, so I understand the differences. Laggy Androids piss me off, but if they are smooth like my LG G2, then I have no problems with them. My iPad 3 on IOS 7 got too laggy, drives me insane.. selling it off.

if you are not happy with your ipad for lagginess then dont even bother buying, rooting helps but no where smooth as ipad2&3 on ios 7.1, especially on chrome and handling pdf & xls & docx. General UI lagginess is expected to be fixed with an update.

I own a TMO LG G2 so I may be able to give you a reference point. The G2 is damn smooth in EVERYTHING. You know that. This tablet is not smooth everywhere, its just not. But it is damn close in *most* areas.
Here's the breakdown. TouchWiz is the only somewhat laggy part of this tablet. I personally don't spend much time within TouchWiz, because most of my time is within an app. Inside apps, this thing flies very nearly as fast as the G2. Impressive, given the higher res screen. Games are very fluid, Boat Browser and UC Browser both offer exceptional speed and fluidity for browsing, and optimized apps, as with anywhere else, make the biggest difference. If they are optimized, then this tablet will chew through them like butter.
If you plan to use Nova launcher, etc. Then you will have no issues of slowdowns with this tablet. With those launchers, this thing flies, and you still get to keep all of the sPen features, which realistically, is probably why you are buying this anyway. If you weren't, you could get a tab pro cheaper, but probably not refurbed.
For notes, SNote is slow, for me at least, but LectureNotes is a fantastic alternative that offers fast, fluid note taking and is very reliable for classwork or the like.
If you are the type to use ROMs, I hear that there are some awesomely smooth options like CleanROM which retain the SPen features and touchwiz, but optimize it for smoothness.
By the way, a couple of things you should know if you end up purchasing this tablet. First, the speed of the tablet increases greatly after about 4-5 days, depending on your usage. Also, the battery life improves significantly after 2 weeks of use. At the beginning, this tab would drain about 10 percent over 8 hours, and now it consistently drains about 2% over the same time period.
Hope this helps,
-Cody

I wouldn't go near the Samsung. Between the random (supposedly fixable) bluetooth issues, the lag and the lack of updates this tablet was/is pretty much a rip off. I've been a heavy Android user for years but it pushed me towards getting an iPad air. I have to say I'm really happy with the iPad and haven't looked back. It's a pity because the display is absolutely gorgeous and I really liked the pen input. It wasn't enough incentive to deal with all of the other issues however.

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Thinking about getting one of these 32gb refurbished. Would you buy it again? Most of the reviews talk about laggy performance. Did the updates fix it at all?
Battery life decent? Torn between this and an iPad Air. I am experienced with both iOS and Android, so I understand the differences. Laggy Androids piss me off, but if they are smooth like my LG G2, then I have no problems with them. My iPad 3 on IOS 7 got too laggy, drives me insane.. selling it off.
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Well... My experience varies. Seems like my note 10.1 has good and bad days. Sometimes performance couldnt be better, everything flies and the battery life is excellent but there are days, when there's noticeable lag and battery drain... My best on-screen time was 10 hours, the worse was 5 - while I didn't use it any differently in either cases, so that is strange. The lag you're so curious about is only in the launcher (touchwiz for the win), apps usually perform very well. As far as updates go, I only received one so far since I got the device (2013 december), so I can't really say anything about that.
Would I buy it again? Well, I'm aware of the limitations of iOS, but I never had a chance to try out an iPad for a longer period of time, so I'm not sure how it would fit my needs. This leaves me to pick an android device, and I have absolutely no doubt, that the note 10.1 is definitely one of the bests. Is it the most fluid experience? No, touchwiz kind of ruins that, but hey, you can always replace that with Nova or something that fits you. In terms of functionality, I'm sure that you can't go wrong with this, you have android+samsung features, which leaves you with an endless pool of possibilities. Even if you don't need the s-pen, the hardware in this device is amazing and with future software updates, I believe it could be on par with the smoothness of the iPad Air. So my answer is yes, I would buy it again, despite the occasional stutter which is present due to touchwiz. The battery life certainly could be better, but it will last you a full day with heavy usage, I usually recharge mine after 3-4 days (I'm not a heavy gamer, I use the tablet to take notes, read and edit pdfs, browse the internet, send emails... etc). The average on-screen time I'm getting is around 7-8 hours with 30-35% brightness (oh yes, the screen is REALLY bright).
In the end of the day, it really comes down to this: do you want to use android? If yes, go for the note 10.1 2014 edition without any hestitation. If you think you could live with iOS (you can always jailbreak and cram out some more functionality) and you don't really need the s-pen, by all means, go for the iPad Air, both of these tablets are absolutely amazing products.

I totally agree with what @compumasta said about lag. There's occasional lag in transitions and app openings/closings but everywhere else the device is fast. You can do some pretty resource intensive things on the N10.1-14 that you can't do with any other device. I open two My Files instances side-by-side in multi-view and drag-and-drop files from my home server via FTP to my N10.1-14 and vice-versa. You can use Air Command to launch Scrap Book and copy pages or snips of content from an app or the web. You can get a spinning wheel occasionally while the device is processing. But it's pretty amazing that something as small as the N10.1-14 is able to do work-horse productivity work at all. If you're a productivity or creation user there's nothing that can touch the N10.1-14. The more I push it the more impressed by it I am.
But are you a productivity and creation user? For consumption and games the N10.1-14 is overkill and the ton of processes and threads open in the background at all times to support its unique and resource intensive features do sap some of the power of its high-end h/w. If you're not interested in those features you might be better off with an iPad.
The new Tab/Note Pro's are running 4.4 with some pretty major updates to Samsung's s/w and apps. Even with that reviewers have pointed out the same transition lag discussed above. My N10.1-14 is definitely not as smooth as my N3 but, considering its pushing three times the display area, it's a small price to pay for such a productivity powerhouse. But if you're lag obsessed you might want to think about what you're willing to live with and I wouldn't pin my hopes on updates changing anything dramatically based on the new Pro's performance.

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I wouldn't go near the Samsung. Between the random (supposedly fixable) bluetooth issues, the lag and the lack of updates this tablet was/is pretty much a rip off. I've been a heavy Android user for years but it pushed me towards getting an iPad air. I have to say I'm really happy with the iPad and haven't looked back. It's a pity because the display is absolutely gorgeous and I really liked the pen input. It wasn't enough incentive to deal with all of the other issues however.
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I agree with you. If appearance is important then the iPad is the way to go. If, however, one chooses function over form the I'd choose an Android in a heartbeat.

Same deal (probably going to see a lot of these because of the WOOT deal)
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LaRoach said:
Between the random (supposedly fixable) bluetooth
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I couldn't help but respond to this. I'm at a coffee shop connected to their Wi-Fi editing a document in Hword while responding to you in a multi-view browser window using a BT mouse and keyboard while watching Amazon Instant video in a pop-up window with audio provided by a BT headset. Some folks have had BT issues but mine's been better than any device I've owned and it has been that way since the day I got my N10.1-14.
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I think you should be able to get your answer from Barry's post lol! I'm on a custom ROM and this tablet is a monster.

For the tablet itself yes, but for the dev on P600 NO. I'm very sad to see that on P605 it's sun shinig but on P600 it's raining !!!
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Lot of negativity here^^ It all comes down to your personal needs, but I would instantly buy it again. It just offers everything I need. Most of my friends have iPads so I've seen what they can do. Ipads have some very nice apps that aren't (yet) available on Android. That is the ONLY upside of the ipad in my opinion.
Lag isn't an issue at all for me (Nova Launcher+root) and there is just soo much you can do with the Note 10.1 where the iPad has very hard limitations. I'm not gonna list them all because it has been listed many times before and it's pretty obvious imho. The iPad is a big sized ipod touch while the Note 10.1 is almost a full PC with pen support.
But if you're just gonna read some news and watch the occasional movie (4:3 screen can be annoying) on your tablet and want something "apple-nice", why not go for the ipad.
If you expect something more from a device like this, something that goes into the direction of laptop replacement, the Note 10. 1 is the way to go. Especially if you like handwriting and sketching.
If you need even more productivity you might wanna look at the Surface2 pro. Or wait for the Surface 3. A collegue of mine has it and he is very happy with it, he does all his IT stuff with it. But it has some downsides (size, weight, battery life, windows).
So for me the tablet world atm comes down to this:
Just4Fun-------------------------------------Productivity
Ipad --------------- Note 10.1 2014 ----------Surface2
For me the note 10.1 is the sweetspot.

I was looking at a couple of QHD tablets, and the Note was the lightest one with the smallest bezels. I had the Note 2 and almost never used the SPen, so I might have bought an equivalent Galaxy Tab if they had one. As it turns out, I use remote desktop all the time, and the Microsoft Remote Desktop app is hands down the best rdp app... but only if you have a stylus. So I was glad I got the Note after all. And the screen is absolutely gorgeous. With Nova Launcher, there's no lag.
The biggest drawback is so-so battery life that's worsened by the slow charging on the Exynos version. Also, it's a little awkward to hold in portrait mode because of the physical buttons.
If I were shopping for a tablet right now, I would get this or maybe the Note Pro, but probably the 10.1 because of the weight. I might also be inclined to spend even more money on the 4g version for the faster charging Snapdragon supports.
I have zero interest in an iPad, so YMMV.

Yes I would buy it again, it's one of the best android tablets ever made. The issue is with the Samsung bloat which can be adjusted to your liking. My liking was to remove all the extra things I don't want, will never use, and were stealing resources. I can tell you the new crop of Roms have a much much better kernel which I am using and most of that random microstutter is gone. Buy it and try it, if you don't like it sell it and move on.....

Yes!
I sometimes wonder , How do ipad ios guys survive without a File Manager , Drag and drop data functionality etc that every one is pretty much used to on Windows Pc's .
I love Ios for the look , but its restricting me in quite a few ways and have to find workarounds to do simple PC like tasks .
Anyways , Do any of you guys use the tablet as A Pc ? As on use the file browser .. open files with any program , move files to your desktop from the tablet just like a usb .. or just download some songs .. rt click save as .. etc .
Dropbox is great .. but why keep connecting to the internet everytime when in Android you can save it locally ..
Appart from that the Spen is unique , thats another thing.
I do crib about the stutter n see if it can be made better .. but give up some freedoms for beauty .. just can't do that.
Android is like that rough around the edges clumsy friend but who has a big heart .. imho .

I love this Tablet...I have no issues at all..I never did..I'm rooted and have TB and tons of other stuff. No lag , very fast...IPad is a joke compared to this,,,I have a Girlfriend so I spend my time banging her and not worryimg about light bleed or Kit Kat updates ,,....
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I love this Tablet...I have no issues at all..I never did..I'm rooted and have TB and tons of other stuff. No lag , very fast...IPad is a joke compared to this,,,I have a Girlfriend so I spend my time banging her and not worryimg about light bleed or Kit Kat updates ,,....
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I have a wife so I want Kitkat. Back to serious. I have owned many android tablets and this is far and away the most capable. It has more features to allow for productivity than any non windows device available. I despise Apple and their locked down overpriced ecosystem. Having said that if you are looking for a productivity and gaming/consumption device there is nothing better than the Note 10.1 2014. If all you want is a consumption device go with one of the Tab Pros or god forbid an Ipad.

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...If all you want is a consumption device go with one of the Tab Pros or god forbid an Ipad.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread too much, but I thought I'd just post here instead of starting a new thread.
I'm in the market for a tablet for gaming/consumption and have had my eyes on the Galaxy line, originally the Tab Pro 10.1. However, where I'm from, the Tab Pro 10.1 WiFi model and the Note 10.1 2014 Edition are the same price. I'm not so sure that I'd get the most use out of the S Pen, but might find the multi-tasking ability handy. Would you recommend just grabbing the Note 10.1 2014 over the Tab Pro 10.1 simply for the added functionality that it has to offer?
Edit: I have absolutely no intention of buying an Apple device.
Cheers.

I forgot the thing about the file system limitations. I couldnt even imagine living without one.

Nagi Tamae said:
I don't mean to hijack the thread too much, but I thought I'd just post here instead of starting a new thread.
I'm in the market for a tablet for gaming/consumption and have had my eyes on the Galaxy line, originally the Tab Pro 10.1. However, where I'm from, the Tab Pro 10.1 WiFi model and the Note 10.1 2014 Edition are the same price. I'm not so sure that I'd get the most use out of the S Pen, but might find the multi-tasking ability handy. Would you recommend just grabbing the Note 10.1 2014 over the Tab Pro 10.1 simply for the added functionality that it has to offer?
Edit: I have absolutely no intention of buying an Apple device.
Cheers.
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Absolutely if they are the same price. The internals are basically the same, the Pro is just running 4.4.2 out of the box. I did not realize how much I would use the Spen.

[Q] Should i buy note 2014?

Hello everyone
I am searching for a new tablet to buy and am really intrested in note series (sPen!). I have few questions for galaxy note 2014 owners:
1. Is it comfortable for reading or is it too big for that? Thats my main concern- i need a tablet for my e- books, studying.
2. How much time it takes battery to drop to 0 (with +- energy saving settings)?
3. Do you find sPen useful or just a gimmick? Especially for note taking?
4. Is this tablet worth the money/ what other tabs you recommend?
I come from iPad mini. This tablet really hurt my eyes, so i think i need a tablet with greater resolution since i read a lot. And no, i dont want retina iPad, i prefer android. I am also thinking about note 8.0, it is a lot of cheaper option too, but i want a 9- 10 inch tablet, its resolution is lower.. ah help me >.<

gintariukeas said:
Hello everyone
I am searching for a new tablet to buy and am really intrested in note series (sPen!). I have few questions for galaxy note 2014 owners:
1. Is it comfortable for reading or is it too big for that? Thats my main concern- i need a tablet for my e- books, studying.
2. How much time it takes battery to drop to 0 (with +- energy saving settings)?
3. Do you find sPen useful or just a gimmick? Especially for note taking?
4. Is this tablet worth the money/ what other tabs you recommend?
I come from iPad mini. This tablet really hurt my eyes, so i think i need a tablet with greater resolution since i read a lot. And no, i dont want retina iPad, i prefer android. I am also thinking about note 8.0, it is a lot of cheaper option too, but i want a 9- 10 inch tablet, its resolution is lower.. ah help me >.<
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I also came from an iPad mini (the original one), so I'm right on the same page. The resolution on that device wasn't so hot.
1) I think it's perfect for reading. It really depends where you're reading, though. If you're worried about the size, just get a textbook or something of similar size, and judge it for yourself. For me, it works great for reading.
2) I haven't timed the battery myself. For the size, I feel like it has pretty decent battery life. I use it to take notes during classes, and in a 3 hour class, with the screen on the entire time, I see about a 100 to 70 percent drop. I'm happy with that.
3) The sPen is a LIFE SAVER! I use it all the time for taking notes. I use the Stylus Beta keyboard (on the Playstore) and it works exceptionally. With stylus beta and evernote, it's the perfect setup for me. Much faster than messing around with the onscreen keyboard.
4) It depends how much it is now. I haven't really looked recently. It has been out for awhile now, so I wouldn't pay full price now like I did when I bought it. Shop around, for sure. I've been really happy with my tablet though. It's a HUGE upgrade from the iPad mini in every way, shape, and form.

I've had them all ipad mini, air, note 8, note pro 12.2 and note 2014 10.1. The note 10.1 is perfect and I tell you why..
Ipad mini to restricted by Apple and I hate iTunes.
Ipad air, same reasons as mini.
Note 8, perfect portability, but s pen sucked because you had to write 45 degree angle or higher, plus s pen not good on small screen.
Note pro, loved it but portability sucked, to heavy, and not with $650.
10.1 perfect size and functions.
If you're smart buy a used one off ebay or Craig'slist. You can find them for $350
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1. Is it comfortable for reading or is it too big for that? Thats my main concern- i need a tablet for my e- books, studying.
2. How much time it takes battery to drop to 0 (with +- energy saving settings)?
3. Do you find sPen useful or just a gimmick? Especially for note taking?
4. Is this tablet worth the money/ what other tabs you recommend?
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1. Very comfortable for me, I mainly use it for reading.
2. Without energy saving, I only charge it once every 3 days with my usage, but you can google for non-stop results. I think it's 11 hours for browsing and 4-5 hours for movies. Not sure.
3. I don't use it for anything.
4. If you buy on Amazon or Ebay, it's worth the money, but don't go to local shops if you live in EU, they have too high prices.

gintariukeas said:
1. Is it comfortable for reading or is it too big for that? Thats my main concern- i need a tablet for my e- books, studying.
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It's thin and light enough, with a screen that's big enough. you were on an iPad, so you understand tablet reading -it is what it is... Never quite the same as the real thing, but an acceptable compromise.
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This really depends on what you've got running. If you let it idle, it will survive until day four. If you play some games watch some movies, browse some sites, it's possible to drain the battery in 5 hours. Generally speaking, on moderate to heavy use, you can get by on a charge per day.
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Somewhere between a gimmick and a handy tool. There are some apps that will let you take some advantage of the S-Pen's functionality, and Samsung has a few, especially if you're thinking of it as an alternate interface/input method (in which case it's superb). But if you're thinking this will replace your paper and pen; meh, I wouldn't throw away my notebooks and pencils just yet. The truth is the current technology (Wacom, N-Trig, etc.) will always lag behind your hand writing, and there will always be a glitch here and there (no matter how beastly the hardware you're using is). There will be people who swear by it. They are lying; most likely to themselves. This can be a tolerable compromise, but it will never match a [hardware] keyboard or a pen and paper -and it's not exactly the perfect amalgamation either. In a pinch it will certainly do, and for annotating PDFs and whatnot, it's tough to beat -but a real book and a real pen is just orders of magnitude superior. Where this compromise takes lead is in the fact that one book weighs several of these, while one of these can be multitudes of books, the internet, a gaming console, and so much more (which by now you understand -based on your iPad Mini experience).
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4. Is this tablet worth the money/ what other tabs you recommend?
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Honestly? I really want to say yes, but the answer is no. Two reasons: 1 It's a Samsung. Samsung is shoddy workmanship backed by worse customer support. 2 At this price you're starting to encroach on surface pro price range, and the Fujitsu Stylistic Q584. Yes, these machines do cost a little more -but they also do everything you expect from a computer. And if you're thinking of the pen -OneNote is king among all. A [non-Windows] tablet is a consumption device with some communication and minimal productivity capabilities. At the price Samsung is asking, it's not worth it.
gintariukeas said:
I come from iPad mini. This tablet really hurt my eyes, so i think i need a tablet with greater resolution since i read a lot. And no, i dont want retina iPad, i prefer android. I am also thinking about note 8.0, it is a lot of cheaper option too, but i want a 9- 10 inch tablet, its resolution is lower.. ah help me >.<
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So for question five [Do you recommend/would you do again]
I have a love-hate relation with android (especially Samsung). It promises so much, and the kicker is that it often does deliver... just not quite the way you'd expect. It's a little like "Bedazzled " where the devil grants your wish, but in a way that nearly renders it moot. I dislike iOS because of its limited functionality, general interface (lack of buttons and setting menus on apps themselves) -and quite frankly the active digitizer is a great tool. But iOS is consistent, robust and reliable. So, I will be forfeiting my Note 10.1 2014 in to an iPad Air [but I'll be forfeiting my iPhone 5s for a note 3 (or 4)].
If ever I do get another Android tablet -it will never cost this much again, because they're not worth it. I regret getting my note 10.1. You got to take that with a grain of salt, given my personal experience which is unlikely [yet possible] to be yours.
How do I reconcile paying nearly as much for a note phone? they're nearly everything the tablet ought to be in a much more wield-able form factor with an actual [good] usable camera. Who is going to tote around their tablet all day every day? Who is going to pull that behemoth out to snap a quick shot? Not I. But the Phablet? For me, it's just the right size to take everywhere every time; and it's smaller than most real cameras (or close enough).
How would I reconcile paying nearly as much for an iPad. Apple's customer service is a little more robust than Samsung. And limited though these devices are -they do what they are designed to do -far more reliably and consistently than most of the android devices I have owned. And like it or not, an Apple product is an Apple product. You take that out, and people around you know what's the deal. But when you unleash your Samsung Note 10.1 2014 people look at it, and know it's a tablet that wishes it could bear the prestige of an Apple product. True nerds will think "wow cool!" Everyone else will think "cheap knock-off wanna-be iPad". Who cares? You shouldn't. But I now realize, I do (a little), because for that price I prefer the prestigious ice-breaker, than trying to justify the awesomeness of my [now defunct, probably still working had it been an iPad] device. Last but not least, I was an early adopter of the Windows 8 tablets and I have a Sony Vaio 11 [regrettably -now that Q584 and Surface Pro 3 are viable options]; and thus it's going to have to be a while before I get another Windows tablet. (I'm inclined to wait until at least Windows 9+).
Maybe this is a little (or a lot) more than you asked for. But I wish someone would have warned me.
Lastly, on the note 8. Unless it's less than 1/3 the cost of the note 10.1 2014 -it's a bad move. Note 8 has all the shortcomings of the 10.1 plus the fact that it's inferior hardware (not least of which is the screen quality), thus amplifying all the pangs. Not to mention you just got done complaining about the iPad mini for being too small.
TLDR;
No. Don't get it. I'm sure there are tons of people who will tell you that it's a good get. I'm sure they have favorable experiences -and there is a lot to love there. But in the end it's not worth the price because it's Samsung and it's Android. At that price point you might as well spend a few bucks more and get Windows (but not RT!) especially if you're serious about it as a study tool: OneNote crushes everything that does and does not exists in the multi-universe. Otherwise pay less and get something else.

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i think it's a great size and light to hold, fine for reading texts, pdfs, books (Kobo), websites. i was surprised to find it was smaller than my TF700 (piece of crap!) -- Sammy did a great job with the side bezels.
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depends on how much you use it. it's not my only tool for work/leisure, but i would charge between every one and two days. (also, for me it takes about 5hrs charge to go from 20% to 100%.)
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very useful for me (print designer): making notes at meetings (sNote out of the box), marking up text and layouts and pdfs and images. doing revisions this way is much more efficient that printing out (or waiting for) a colour proof, marking that up, and then couriering it to a client — especially if i'm working remotely or in transit somewhere. i can't go entirely paperless of course, but for everything up to final colour proofs, it's works great.
scrapbook is also really handy when tripping through websites or videos. the one thing i've no use for is the windows function though. that said, the sPen really changed my perspective on what a tablet can/should do: i won't buy another tablet with out sPen or similar capability.
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if you need sPen, want a 2K screen, and you like Android, this is THE ONLY tablet to get. i waited until KK came out and a bunch of the earlier bugs (software and hardware build) were addressed though. with Sammy, i find it's good to wait for a few months after launch for them to get things right. also, now being able to get Samsung's Remote PC functionality is great.

gintariukeas said:
Hello everyone
I am searching for a new tablet to buy and am really intrested in note series (sPen!). I have few questions for galaxy note 2014 owners:
1. Is it comfortable for reading or is it too big for that? Thats my main concern- i need a tablet for my e- books, studying.
2. How much time it takes battery to drop to 0 (with +- energy saving settings)?
3. Do you find sPen useful or just a gimmick? Especially for note taking?
4. Is this tablet worth the money/ what other tabs you recommend?
I come from iPad mini. This tablet really hurt my eyes, so i think i need a tablet with greater resolution since i read a lot. And no, i dont want retina iPad, i prefer android. I am also thinking about note 8.0, it is a lot of cheaper option too, but i want a 9- 10 inch tablet, its resolution is lower.. ah help me >.<
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Biggest issue. It's a Samsung! Plastic piece of ****. Build quality from hell. Have to return mine for creaky body and the bezel start to come loose from the glas. 750€ tablet with quality worse than a 129€ tablet.
The screen is nice, very bright and res is nice for reading, s pen is good for drawing and if u like to take notes but the apps that support stylus is quite few and samsungs s note and action memo is quite crappy. Besides the screen and the stylus which is nice if u need it. But its mostly a gimmick, i just cant recommend this POS. Did i mention that it lags like hell on stock firmware. Had to root and run custom to get decent performance and it still runs worse than my s4 with cm. I regret every day that I wasted over 700€ on this crap. Check around and you will see i ain't the only one who is dissatisfied with it. Buy something else than Samsung. Dont lesrn that lesson the hard way

If pen is not your critical.
Standby and wait for new Tab S series it will come with AMOLED display !!! .

I had an iPad Mini1, it was cute but that's it. The screen is not great and the battery wasn't as good as people say it is.
I also had an iPad3 and the screen was nice but it was uncomfortable to hold and I think the aluminium casing is slippery without a case.
iOS just sucks even though there are really good quality apps.
I've had a ton of android 10" tablets from Xoom, Tosh Thrive, Asus Transformers TF101, TF201, TF300, TF700 and Padfone Infinity.
I still have the TF700 and the Padfone Inifnity. The TF700 runs like a POS, slow and stutters and freezes up. I have a feeling the 1gb RAM is crippling it. I don't understand it when the prime and Tf300 was no where as bad, but I like the form factor very much and use it like a laptop and for remote desktops access it is great.
The padfone infinity is pretty awesome and it runs very fast, quadrant score is about 3 times that of the TF700 and feels like it. If it had an active stylus and a keyboad dock, I'd be happy with that as my only device since it is also a phone. My only problem with it is no SD slot so I got the 64gb version. I'm keen on the Padfone Infinity 2 but haven't tried it yet.
I also have a Surface RT and it is great for MS Office and File Explorer with a desktop. As well as that, I have an Asus Vivotab smart ME400C which is atom based Windows8 tab and runs full windows desktop apps.
Before I got my Note10 (P605) I had a Note 8 5100 (wifi+3G) and it is a GREAT tablet. It is snappy and light and runs soooo good. The only thing is the screen is not even as good as an ipad mini but it ****s on every other tablet I have owned for usability. IT IS THAT GOOD! if Samsung made a Note Pro 8.4 like their tab pro 8.4, I'd be there in a snap.
This brings me to my Note 10.1 2014 (P605 with 4G). The screen is awesome, the size is awesome, the speed is great (not as snappy as Note 8 in a lot of ways believe it or not!). I'm still on 4.3 but then my Note 8 is on 4.2. The pen is better on the Note10 than the Note8 and if you only got the Note10 to run Sketchbook ONLY, it would be worth every cent on that sweet screen. I do a lot of reading on it and the screen is just awesome. I photo edit and preview on it and its great. I also use it to annotate PDFs and draw stupid things for fun.
I'm still grabbing the Note8 most of the time when I head out of the house, simply because I can jam it into my coat pocket and cargo pants pockets. but at home, I'm on the Note10 all the time.
I love the Note10 and if I had to live with just 1 tablet and my Note 3 phone, I would pick the Note10 without hesitation.
PS. With regards to the negative comments, don't try to find the perfect tablet, it doesn't exist! Everything has a compromise but this Note10 hits a VERY NICE sweetspot and I would recommend it for student use if running windows apps is not a neccessity. Even then, I would try and get away with that by remote desktop because the Note 10 does everything else soooo much better.
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manhattan212;53168349: ...OneNote crushes everything that does and does not exists in the multi-universe. Otherwise pay less and get something else.[/QUOTE said:
Papyrus pen UI beats One Note windows for actual Notetaking. However One Note has better management, so the solution is to use Papyrus to take notes and then move it to One Note for storage and management thru Android OneNote.
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warboat said:
I love the Note10 and if I had to live with just 1 tablet and my Note 3 phone, I would pick the Note10 without hesitation.
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I'm sure Samsung must be proud to have such staunch supporters. But the key point isn't just how great the machine is. The keypoints are this, this, and this. And for every one of us that actually posts -imagine the countless others that don't go online to post questions in forums. The countless others who just take the loss in stride, because they have little or no recourse.
In short, the Note 10.1 2014 has great promise, but buying Samsung is like playing Russian roulette. The hardware has great probability of failing, and Samsung has no problem screwing customers over. So I for one feel it's wrong to not warn people against the Note 10.1 2014. Because chances are, the tablet isn't going to fail you in those first 30 days, when you can take it back to the store you bought it and get yoru money back -no questions asked. It's going to fail you 32 days in. And then you're relying on Samsung's warranty -which isn't just going to let you walk into a local Samsung shop and shove your defective tablet into one of their [non-geniuses] mouths and let you walk out of the shop with a new replacement in hand. Other companies do that, Samsung just gives you the runaround, and cheats you out of your money.
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PS. With regards to the negative comments, don't try to find the perfect tablet, it doesn't exist! Everything has a compromise but this Note10 hits a VERY NICE sweetspot and I would recommend it for student use if running windows apps is not a neccessity. Even then, I would try and get away with that by remote desktop because the Note 10 does everything else soooo much better.
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When it comes to buying the Note 10.1 (2014)...
Harry Callahan said:
I know what you're thinking. 'Did the SM-P605 fire six shots or only five'? Well to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, i kind of lost track myself. But being that this is a Samsung, the most powerful tablet in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do ya, punk?
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I've heard a lot about the good and bad points about the note 10.1 (2014) here but there is only one thing that puts me off getting one: the constant talk is lag and sluggish performance. I currently have a nexus 10 and I am wondering how the real world performance on this compares to the note 10.1? If anyone has any experience of both I would be really interested to hear their thoughts. Thanks in advance!
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paddycr said:
I've heard a lot about the good and bad points about the note 10.1 (2014) here but there is only one thing that puts me off getting one: the constant talk is lag and sluggish performance. I currently have a nexus 10 and I am wondering how the real world performance on this compares to the note 10.1? If anyone has any experience of both I would be really interested to hear their thoughts. Thanks in advance!
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There's no or very little lag on 4.4. I use my N10.1-14 probably heavier than most here because I'm a productivity user. I was just thinking to myself today what an amazing device it is (after owning it since October). I was working on a complicated Word document. I like to get the meat of a document done in Hancom locally and then finish it via RDP on my Windows desktop PC to guarantee the formatting's correct. Here's what I had open at the same time - Hancom (viewer and editor), Jump Desktop keeping a connection alive to my home PC with Word running, and two instances of Samsung's My Files in multi view to drag-and-drop files I needed between my device, home FTP server and Dropbox. On top of that I was watching Amazon Instant Video in a Pop-up-play window using PlayOn, connected to a BT keyboard and mouse, and listening to the audio via an AptX BT pendent. Also, so I didn't need to pull my phone out for calls or messages, I was using SideSync to display it on my N10.1-14 minimized. I have a 3G device so all this was being done over AT&T's HSPA+ network because the coffee house I was in had too many people on Wi-Fi. And that was all with little or no lag. Try that on another 10.1" tablet.
But as amazing as all that is to me, if you're purely a consumption user, you won't appreciate all the N10.1-14's features, the resources they take up, and Samsung's added UI clutter to get them all to work together. For consumption, stick to your N10, get an iPad, or consider the Teg4 Asus TF701 which is down to $299 new and has the same screen resolution as both the N10 and N10.1-14. The people *****ing about the N10.1-14 probably shouldn't have bought it in the first place based on what they use a tablet for.
Happy shopping.

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But as amazing as all that is to me, if you're purely a consumption user, you won't appreciate all the N10.1-14's features, the resources they take up, and Samsung's added UI clutter to get them all to work together. For consumption, stick to your N10, get an iPad, or consider the Teg4 Asus TF701 which is down to $299 new and has the same screen resolution as both the N10 and N10.1-14. The people *****ing about the N10.1-14 probably shouldn't have bought it in the first place based on what they use a tablet for.
Happy shopping.
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Thanks for your reply. I have a note 3 and love s-note for taking notes at work. The problem is that the screen is too small to use it on a regular basis - I find myself frequently going back to pen and paper. So i'm thinking of ditching the note 3 and getting a 10.1. Good excuse for a new phone too
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paddycr said:
I've heard a lot about the good and bad points about the note 10.1 (2014) here but there is only one thing that puts me off getting one: the constant talk is lag and sluggish performance. I currently have a nexus 10 and I am wondering how the real world performance on this compares to the note 10.1? If anyone has any experience of both I would be really interested to hear their thoughts. Thanks in advance!
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I have over a dozen Android devices and there is always some lag, somewhere in each of them.
As long as its not significant, you shouldn't get hung up about the lag.
The thing you want out of android is functionality and there isn't a better 10" weapon right now than the Note 10 2014.
In terms of raw potential, the Nexus 10 Mali 604 GPU will top out at 72gflops.
Note 10.1 2014 Exynos: 102gflops
Note 10.1 2014 Qualcomm SD800:130gflops
Ipad Air A7: 115gflops
Asus TF701 (Tegra4): 97gflops
You have 4 million pixels to push around. Gflops matter.

I'm not sure what your main use is, but if you are a student and you are in a major that requires a lot of math, BUY THIS TABLET. If you will not be using the stylus often, there may be better options. There is a noticeable amount of lag on the stock rom and stock firmware, which confused me because the specs seem great. After rooting the device and switching roms it is much smoother.
I literally bought this tablet to run LectureNotes for my math classes. I have had a big issue with lag specifically in that app (only that app - others had zero lag), but I finally got it down to probably <30ms response time in LectureNotes while writing. I had to find the OEM 4.4.2 firmware/rom and flash it prior to flashing a modded 4.4.2 rom. A bunch of tweaking was also necessary in the app's settings, but I actually found that the high resolution was my issue. I then lowered the resolution of my notebooks, turned fast rendering and page rendering OFF, used SetCPU to max out the CPU when the screen was on and LectureNotes was in the foreground. This significantly decreased my lag in LectureNotes. All of this only applies to that specific app. Nothing else had any lag once I was rooted and on a custom rom.
Would I recommend this tablet? It depends. If you are strictly going to use it out of the box, and keep it stock, my answer is no. I would get something with a lighter ROM out of the box. Possibly something AOSP. If you are a student and/or you plan on using the stylus often, it is worth every damn penny. My tablet replaced my math notebooks. Using LectureNotes to do math is SO much faster than pencil and paper, because of the custom tools that you are able to use. Constructing certain figures and graphs are so much quicker on the tablet than having to draw everything out.

warboat said:
I have over a dozen Android devices and there is always some lag, somewhere in each of them.
As long as its not significant, you shouldn't get hung up about the lag.
The thing you want out of android is functionality and there isn't a better 10" weapon right now than the Note 10 2014.
In terms of raw potential, the Nexus 10 Mali 604 GPU will top out at 72gflops.
Note 10.1 2014 Exynos: 102gflops
Note 10.1 2014 Qualcomm SD800:130gflops
Ipad Air A7: 115gflops
Asus TF701 (Tegra4): 97gflops
You have 4 million pixels to push around. Gflops matter.
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Have you had a Nexus 10 and is it's overall performance comparable to the Note 10.1? I get a little paranoid about these benchmarks - I had a TF700T before my Nexus 10, which I recall benchmarked well. Even after unlocking, rooting and flashing custom firmware it was a completely unusable POS because of the lag.
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Would I recommend this tablet? It depends. If you are strictly going to use it out of the box, and keep it stock, my answer is no. I would get something with a lighter ROM out of the box. Possibly something AOSP. If you are a student and/or you plan on using the stylus often, it is worth every damn penny. My tablet replaced my math notebooks. Using LectureNotes to do math is SO much faster than pencil and paper, because of the custom tools that you are able to use. Constructing certain figures and graphs are so much quicker on the tablet than having to draw everything out.
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I agree, my Note 3 flies now I have ditched stock. However, the only thing that worries me about this is the knox 0x1 issue. Has anyone reported getting warranty service with this flag on their Note 10.1 ? It is not an issue with my Note 3 because T-mobile couldn't care less...

Check out this item I found on eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=321428263654&alt=web
Price is a big issue but you can get it factory refurbished for $299. For that price this device looks a lot better imo

paddycr said:
Even after unlocking, rooting and flashing custom firmware it was a completely unusable POS because of the lag.
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That wasn't the SoC or even s/w. Asus is notorious for putting slow-as-crap bargain basement NAND in their devices.

Coreyc1123 said:
Check out this item I found on eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=321428263654&alt=web
Price is a big issue but you can get it factory refurbished for $299. For that price this device looks a lot better imo
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I was about to tell OP for this link. haha.
I bought one for 299-39 bucks ebay cash so total came out to be 260 which is fantastic deal. Still waiting for it to be shipped.
I am original Note 10.1 owner so I can't comment on this 2014 ones but with my original 10.1 being my main notebook in college, I can't recommend enough. Everybody experience may varies depending on the usage and expectation. I took all of my notes using the tablet with the LectureNote app. Fantastic tool.
I expect nothing less from 2014 10.1 and can't wait to get it.

Potential replacement to my Note 8?

My Note 8 is starting to get old, and I would love to upgrade it to higher resolution and more storage, but keeping it about the same size. Until now I haven't found any possible replacements with an active pen, but this might be one:
http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-pro-slate-8/
Do any of you have any opinions on this as a possible replacements? It's a different pen technology so that concerns me, but it if works as well with Lecture Notes it should be good enough. If it has more offset or more lag, it would drive me nuts. I know ROMs are unlikely, but since I use it as a BYOD work device I can't root it anyway, so thar shouldn't matter. We're not getting updates on our device either so no difference if this one doesn't either.
What do you think? Worth buying or should I wait?
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Some ideas:
Nvidia Shield (Android 5)
Lenovo ThinkPad 8 (Windows 8.1)
Toshiba Encore 2 Write (Windows 8.1)
Asus Vivo Tab Note 8 (Windows 8.1)

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Some ideas:
Nvidia Shield (Android 5)
Lenovo ThinkPad 8 (Windows 8.1)
Toshiba Encore 2 Write (Windows 8.1)
Asus Vivo Tab Note 8 (Windows 8.1)
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Thanks, but those won't work for me since I'm looking to continue to use an active pen and Lecture Notes. The Nvidia pen has a rubber tip, it doesn't look good for writing in very small print which is 99% of what I need it for, otherwise that might be an option. Windows tablets are not an option for me as my company won't allow them on our BYOD plan (yet). So the only option I've found so far is this HP tablet, but I'm not sure about that one either so I'm looking to see what people think about it, especially if people notice potential issues with it.
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Wait for the upgraded note 8.
Never go with windows 8.1 8 inch tablet, it have terrible scaling and reading through is a pain in the arse with high resolution. Android still the one with best scaling.
Another option is HP's Pro Slate 8, though i dont know about battery life with that resolution & availability+price unless u living in the us.

I am in the US and considering the HP tablet, but would wait for an upgraded Note 8 if there was a sign of Samsung actually continuing it. It's been over two years since our tablet was released so I'm losing faith that it will have a successor. Are there any rumors of a nww Note 8?

kisrita said:
My Note 8 is starting to get old, and I would love to upgrade it to higher resolution and more storage, but keeping it about the same size. Until now I haven't found any possible replacements with an active pen, but this might be one:
http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-pro-slate-8/
Do any of you have any opinions on this as a possible replacements? It's a different pen technology so that concerns me, but it if works as well with Lecture Notes it should be good enough. If it has more offset or more lag, it would drive me nuts. I know ROMs are unlikely, but since I use it as a BYOD work device I can't root it anyway, so thar shouldn't matter. We're not getting updates on our device either so no difference if this one doesn't either.
What do you think? Worth buying or should I wait?
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Wrong forum, maybe.

kisrita said:
I am in the US and considering the HP tablet, but would wait for an upgraded Note 8 if there was a sign of Samsung actually continuing it. It's been over two years since our tablet was released so I'm losing faith that it will have a successor. Are there any rumors of a nww Note 8?
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HP Pro Slate 8 might seem to be a very good choice if you couldnt wait for note 8 successor. High end spec, high resolution display & that HP duet pen technology. Still, not sure if it's using wacom or n-trig digitizer or proprietory one. Im worried if some app doesnt support pressure registration through its digitizer. But nonetheless seem pretty good enough

Sony Xperia Z3TC - SGP621
kisrita said:
My Note 8 is starting to get old, and I would love to upgrade it to higher resolution and more storage, but keeping it about the same size. Until now I haven't found any possible replacements with an active pen, but this might be one:
http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-pro-slate-8/
Do any of you have any opinions on this as a possible replacements? It's a different pen technology so that concerns me, but it if works as well with Lecture Notes it should be good enough. If it has more offset or more lag, it would drive me nuts. I know ROMs are unlikely, but since I use it as a BYOD work device I can't root it anyway, so thar shouldn't matter. We're not getting updates on our device either so no difference if this one doesn't either.
What do you think? Worth buying or should I wait?
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Hi,
Please try Sony Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact SGP 621 LTE model (this is one of the models that has SIM capability)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...oliid=I29M436THUKIIJ&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_ttl
RAM:3GB
Display: 8 inch FHD
16 GB inbuilt memory with microSD card slot
Snapdragon 801 Adreno 330
Bluetooth v4.0
WIFI
4G LTE
Camera - 8 MP and 2 MP
Battery 4500
NFC
Nano - Sim
OS - Kitkat (it came with kitkat for me)
Build Quality - Amazing and it is thin but still feels great in your hands.
Stylus - doesn't come with stylus like Note 8.0 but ....
1) Display is pretty nice.
2) Sound quality is good. (after rooting viper4android works great)
3) It is much lighter than Note 8.0 and you can feel the difference when you use the tablet.
4) Bluetooth and WIFI are fast and stable.
5) Camera is decent, good for a tablet.
6) it has ps4 remote play which allows you to connect to your playstation using wifi something similar to Nvidia Shield does.
7) Battery life is brilliant (outstanding results even without using power saving mode)
Android lollipop works great on Sony Z3TC. It is extremely smooth.I use my tablet daily and I can tell you that it won't give you any headaches or problems. So you are rest assured that you wont find any lag. 3GB of RAM along with Android Lollipop 5.0.2 is really a great combination on this tablet. Currently I am using rooted android 5.0.2 on mine. And I am using 64GB microSD card. I think it might support even more.
I understand you want stylus. Even I was looking for tablets with stylus that has all around capabilities like Note 8.0 which is a champion and unique device. But I wasn't convinced with the tablets available until I found Sony Xperia Z3TC. Other than stylus Sony xperia Z3TC does everything else brilliantly.
I don't have Nano sim nor I have access to 4G LTE but from other user reviews it is evident that there are many satisfied customers who reported good 4G/LTE performance.
My Note 8.0 is more than 2 years old ( bought it in June 2013) and till today it is still gives me around 9 hours of SOT in 4 days on an average. My Sony Xperia Z3TC is giving me between 9.5 to 11 of SOT on one single charge in 5/6 days without using power saving mode.Both tablets are absolutely brilliant.Samsung got it right with Note 8.0 and Sony with Z3TC.You can get any where between 9.5 to 11 hours of SOT in 4 to 8 days .You can check in Sony xperia z3 tablet compact section on XDA almost every member will report similar or better results. Some guys are even getting 6 and half hours of SOT at 50%. It is an excellent device for video playback and music.I love both the tablets.
Here is the link to my post where I have attached some screenshots of the battery life of my Sony Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact.
Click Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59898395
And regarding stylus I feel we can try to get a stylus separately because this tablet is too good to be ignored.
I would highly recommend Sony xperia Z3TC to anyone who is looking for an excellent tablet successor to our beloved Note 8.0. So please have a look at the link I mentioned above. You won't be disappointed. Sony xperia Z3TC has 5/5 rating on amazon and even with the critics.
It is worth a look especially with a price tag of 489$ from a branded company like Sony.
Cheers!

It's looking like there will not be a next generation Note 8. We'll be forced to choose between a mid range tablet with an S pen (Tab A Plus) or a high end tablet without a stylus (S2).
My N5100, is wearing out (as my primary phone, it's been dropped a few too many times). But I haven't seen the international Tab A 8.0 S Pen variant with LTE for sale yet. I hope it's released soon!

OMG! This device fans can't seem to move one.
I'm also waiting for it's successor.. The S-pen is amazing

Well, I can't find a good replacement too, so I decided my Note 8 will stay with me some more time: I have just changed the battery and now it's ready for 2 more years of hard work

gabripranzo said:
Well, I can't find a good replacement too, so I decided my Note 8 will stay with me some more time: I have just changed the battery and now it's ready for 2 more years of hard work
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lol yea gyess I'll do the same

gabripranzo said:
Well, I can't find a good replacement too, so I decided my Note 8 will stay with me some more time: I have just changed the battery and now it's ready for 2 more years of hard work
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My battery is dying and I was curious where you got the battery from (which site). I've cracked the case before so I'm assuming that it's a pretty easy install. Thanks!

esoh said:
My battery is dying and I was curious where you got the battery from (which site). I've cracked the case before so I'm assuming that it's a pretty easy install. Thanks!
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I got it from a local (I live in Italy) seller using eBay.
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www.ebay.it/itm/batteria-SP3770E1H-...1?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_101&hash=item3aaced82db

kisrita said:
My Note 8 is starting to get old, and I would love to upgrade it to higher resolution and more storage, but keeping it about the same size. Until now I haven't found any possible replacements with an active pen, but this might be one:
http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-pro-slate-8/
Do any of you have any opinions on this as a possible replacements? It's a different pen technology so that concerns me, but it if works as well with Lecture Notes it should be good enough. If it has more offset or more lag, it would drive me nuts. I know ROMs are unlikely, but since I use it as a BYOD work device I can't root it anyway, so thar shouldn't matter. We're not getting updates on our device either so no difference if this one doesn't either.
What do you think? Worth buying or should I wait?
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http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tab-a/SM-P550NZKABTU

It has a terrible screen resolution.

In the 2 years I've owned an N5100, I've grown dependent on the S Pen. I have not been looking forward to replacing it, but I knew it would be necessary so I bought the Tab A Plus (stylus + cellular radio). It just arrived, so I'm still in the process of setting it up and making comparisons between the two. Physically they're almost identical in size, though the A is thinner than the 8. Stylistically, the A is made out of plastic, but its looks mimic the iPad. The screen is decent (but the A and 8 don't hold a candle to current hi res tablets). The S Pen pulls some tricks from the current Note phones that were never brought to the 8. Based on my experience so far, I'd say it's a suitable replacement for those that must have a stylus.
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afblangley said:
In the 2 years I've owned an N5100, I've grown dependent on the S Pen. I have not been looking forward to replacing it, but I knew it would be necessary so I bought the Tab A Plus (stylus + cellular radio). It just arrived, so I'm still in the process of setting it up and making comparisons between the two. Physically they're almost identical in size, though the A is thinner than the 8. Stylistically, the A is made out of plastic, but its looks mimic the iPad. The screen is decent (but the A and 8 don't hold a candle to current hi res tablets). The S Pen pulls some tricks from the current Note phones that were never brought to the 8. Based on my experience so far, I'd say it's a suitable replacement for those that must have a stylus.
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Any more thoughts on this, now you've had it a month?
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RedMist said:
Any more thoughts on this, now you've had it a month?
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Overall, I still like the Tab A. There are some things which can't be changed. The screen's aspect ratio is different and a few of my apps don't look good. S-Pen input is not precise as the Note- its fine for writing but won't generate the fine art that was able to be produced on the Note. The camera is not as good wrt no voice commands and colors are not as true. The headphone jack is now on the bottom (why?!?).
There are a few annoyances related to Lollipop and/or how it integrates with Touchwiz. The ability for the app drawer to list items alphabetically is gone. I fixed this by installing Apex launcher. There's now a high volume warning popup (common on many devices, but the Note didn't have it). The Samsung dialer apk does something weird which launches two keypads. Even worse, it requires double tapping during a phone call. From what I've read online, this isn't an issue on all Samsung devices (it may not even be an issue on all Tab A), but it is on mine. Fixing this will require root, which I haven't done yet.
On the positive side, S-Note is more flexible. I really like air control, particularly action memo. Battery life is good and the battery manager app has two power saving modes. The thinner bezels make the Tab A look sleek and modern, although my thumbs occasionally make inadvertent inputs.

afblangley said:
Overall, I still like the Tab A. There are some things which can't be changed. The screen's aspect ratio is different and a few of my apps don't look good. S-Pen input is not precise as the Note- its fine for writing but won't generate the fine art that was able to be produced on the Note. The camera is not as good wrt no voice commands and colors are not as true. The headphone jack is now on the bottom (why?!?).
There are a few annoyances related to Lollipop and/or how it integrates with Touchwiz. The ability for the app drawer to list items alphabetically is gone. I fixed this by installing Apex launcher. There's now a high volume warning popup (common on many devices, but the Note didn't have it). The Samsung dialer apk does something weird which launches two keypads. Even worse, it requires double tapping during a phone call. From what I've read online, this isn't an issue on all Samsung devices (it may not even be an issue on all Tab A), but it is on mine. Fixing this will require root, which I haven't done yet.
On the positive side, S-Note is more flexible. I really like air control, particularly action memo. Battery life is good and the battery manager app has two power saving modes. The thinner bezels make the Tab A look sleek and modern, although my thumbs occasionally make inadvertent inputs.
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That's very useful thanks. I think I'll stay with my note 8 for now. I was intrigued by the tab a with s pen though
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