Hope it's OK to post this here as it seems there isn't a forum for this phone yet.
I've got the Samsung Galaxy Fame S6810 on Jellybean 4.1.2 and it constantly lags and freezes.
I've rooted it, used Titanium Pro to freeze every bit of unneeded bloatware I can think of but the phone still lags and freezes.
Even with the cpu profile set to performance it does it.
My old HTC Desire which was also a single core 1Ghz processor didn't have this problem.
In fact my slow as hell HTC Wildfire with slower cpu still didn't do it like this phone!
I would like to try an overclock kernel but after weeks of searching can't seem to find one.
Cyanogenmod would be the obvious answer for a good clean rom but they don't do one for this phone.
Any suggestions or ideas?
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No answers yet? Have seen a whole bunch of posts across various forums and sites looking for roms and kernels for this phone but so far nobody is doing anything for it.
Puzzles the hell out of me as there are elcheapo no name branded phones getting roms but this Samsung one seems to be treated like it has the plague...
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How did you set your cpu governor?
I'm sure your phone runs slowly because of TouchWiz. Samsung and its bloatware make good phones to run slowly
I recommend you to install any Pure Android rom, like Cyanogenmod or AOKP. I'm pretty sure that this roms will remove all the lag :highfive:
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How did you set your cpu governor?
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I did it using SetCPU.
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Could it be one of the apps you have installed? Maybe running in the background sucking up much needed RAM? I have seen this happen also with excessive use of widgets. I would suggest keeping an eye on your running apps and processes. See what is eating up that RAM.
JaviMotta98 said:
I recommend you to install any Pure Android rom, like Cyanogenmod or AOKP. I'm pretty sure that this roms will remove all the lag :highfive:
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This is the problem... Trying to find custom ROMs for this phone.
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Try PurePerformance or CrossBreeder
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JaviMotta98 said:
I'm sure your phone runs slowly because of TouchWiz. Samsung and its bloatware make good phones to run slowly
I recommend you to install any Pure Android rom, like Cyanogenmod or AOKP. I'm pretty sure that this roms will remove all the lag :highfive:
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Try this. Really help although its a stock rom but it run really smooth
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2582851
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Have managed to get the phone usable using this ROM and the mod mentioned here but lag on closing programs and that frikkin black empty screen while waiting for a program to start or close is irritating.
I suspect nothing short of a pure rom or CM ROM will get this phone to be worth the bit of money it costs.
Most irritating is that you can go buy a cheap sh*t Chinese Android Samsung knockoff phone at half the price of this phone and it runs twice as well as this phone. Samsung really dropped the ball on this phone!
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I'm now using Techno Rom and Apex launcher, this phone is finally usable.
It wasn't an application in the background making it run slow as it did it from day 1 with nothing installed.
Dumping TouchWiz and the Samsung bloatware helped but the phone still lagged like hell.
Switching to Techno rom has now made the phone usable.
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-=NPG=- said:
I'm now using Techno Rom and Apex launcher, this phone is finally usable.
It wasn't an application in the background making it run slow as it did it from day 1 with nothing installed.
Dumping TouchWiz and the Samsung bloatware helped but the phone still lagged like hell.
Switching to Techno rom has now made the phone usable.
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Tecno Rom, the SIM is working?
jonaaa said:
Tecno Rom, the SIM is working?
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yes it is!
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Hope it's OK to post this here as it seems there isn't a forum for this phone yet.
I've got the Samsung Galaxy Fame S6810 on Jellybean 4.1.2 and it constantly lags and freezes.
I've rooted it, used Titanium Pro to freeze every bit of unneeded bloatware I can think of but the phone still lags and freezes.
Even with the cpu profile set to performance it does it.
My old HTC Desire which was also a single core 1Ghz processor didn't have this problem.
In fact my slow as hell HTC Wildfire with slower cpu still didn't do it like this phone!
I would like to try an overclock kernel but after weeks of searching can't seem to find one.
Cyanogenmod would be the obvious answer for a good clean rom but they don't do one for this phone.
Any suggestions or ideas?
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It is all because of the 'Touchwiz' thing, bloatwares and the processor made by Samsung to their devices, that's why they lag that much. I remember my friend who used to own a Samsung Galaxy Grand (The device's processor is actually quad-core), and when I've tried to use it, it honestly lags and freezes alot -_- unlike my oldish Xperia Mini with only 1Ghz single core ported with CM11 doesn't act like these Shamesung phones... Software injections and moddded scripts are all placebo effects and 95% of them will not make the phone faster UNLESS someone will make an achievement to port CM10 or even CM11 to this device
Just a tip, whenever you'll buy a device, look for snapdragon processor built device by Qualcomm Those processors from Qualcomm are really good :good: example of these devices with Qualcomm based processors are the Flagship devices, most of these devices are shipped with this processors
TECNO ROM or another custom rom my sim won't work, it stay in offline mode.
Well, i've uninstalled some bloatware's, including TouchWiz. Now i'm using Apex launcher, and, despite consume more Ram, my galaxy is more smoother than before.
where you set it.......
i think you must try juwe ram script and ram manager pro..
it very smooth
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Hello there new to the Gnex... OK here is my issue. I previously had an S2. On quadrant I was scoring 3600. My GNex is only scoring 2300 on a good day! I do not have a lot of apps, as a matter of fact I have the same apps I was running on my s2. I switched to the gnex for the pure Google experience and the plethora of knowledge on this forum. I've been scouring the different threads reading about all of the different ROMs and kernels out there all I want to do is to make my gnex as fast as the S3. On some other forums I was reading about the SUPER NEXUS which is an S3 rooted with the gnex software. Can you guys and gals help me to solve this issue??? I'd surely appreciate it. My apologies in advance I'm really not all that techy as most of you here but again that's one of the reasons I switched up to the Gnex because of the huge support base . Hey thanks in advance!
P.S. is there a swype gesture feature on this device? Or do I have to download swype? I find it most useful at times when I can't use both hands to type.
Dude benchmarks don't say everything about user experience, and especially not Quadrant. GPU on Gnex is slower than Mali-400 on S2. Plus it has bigger, higher resolution display and thus more pixels to push. It will always score worse than S2 unless you OC it.
Galaxy Nexus still provides great user experience but it cannot compete with todays flagships like S3 in terms of speed. It' a different league. No matter how you try u will not make tiomap 4460 faster than S4 Krait.
Making a GNex as fast as an SIII is simply impossible, you'd fry your hardware before you would even come close to the Quadrant results of that phone.
That being said, I have to agree with the previous reply, pure horsepower isn't everything, and I for one have never experienced any lags or slowdowns.
Then again, I keep my phone clean of anything running in the background, for example I only use ONE widget, and that also only on the Lockscreen (CyanogenMod's cLock).
I have a widget on every homescreen and device still feels snappy. Smoothness remains practically unaffected by those widgets.
I just picked up a Nexus and have been using it lately, I think it's fairly snappy for the age of the device. I was curious on the Quad score so I just ran mine and I'm at 2676 which isn't to hateful....no overclock just a custom kernel and rom
P.S. is there a swype gesture feature on this device? Or do I have to download swype? I find it most useful at times when I can't use both hands to type.
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Since android 4.2 swype is implemented into the stock keyboard.
benchmarks lol
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Haha. I know right.
What about to try some 3D games and find out the result instead of weird benchmarking that say anything.
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Whoa!! Hey people read carefully! I'm new here and to the whole rooting and unrooting whats good and what isn't? Just some simple answers are all that's needed. Thanks to those who helped your input was very helpful.
try using custom kernel like AK
^ive been meaning to give that kernel a try
Really you must uninstall that benchmark, do a lot of read and help yourself. I was a sgs2 user, and i am happy when i switched to gnex. The only thing that bad from this device is camera, s2 is better but i don't care.
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Your GNex will never be as fast as an S3. It just doesn't have the hardware. With that said, benchmarks test a different set of the phone's capabilities relative to the way a normal user uses the phone. I would try out some ROMs and kernels, read up on tweaks for your chosen ROM/kernel combination, and go from there.
And swiping is in 4.2.1 and 4.2.2 stock keyboards. You might need to enable them from the Settings - Language and keyboard menu (I'm not 100% sure because I use Kii).
Want a really fast GNex?
1. Install CM10.1 latest nightly
2. Install Franco kernel
3.Over clock to 1.6ghz
4. Enable force GPU rendering
5. profit
You will get 54fps in epic citadel high quality and never lag. This phone may not "keep up" spec wise but there isn't a game or anything I can't run on this phone. Nothing can challenge my GNex
Join the 1.6ghz GNex master race c:
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R: GNEX RUNNING SLOW !!help!!
ECOTOX said:
Want a really fast GNex?
1. Install CM10.1 latest nightly
2. Install Franco kernel
3.Over clock to 1.6ghz
4. Enable force GPU rendering
5. profit
You will get 54fps in epic citadel high quality and never lag. This phone may not "keep up" spec wise but there isn't a game or anything I can't run on this phone. Nothing can challenge my GNex
Join the 1.6ghz GNex master race c:
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This is not 4chan LOL
Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus con Tapatalk 2
LOL.
Just go buy and S3 and root it with Cyanogenmod.
BANG.
You're done.
AW: GNEX RUNNING SLOW !!help!!
electro` said:
LOL.
Just go buy and S3 and root it with Cyanogenmod.
BANG.
You're done.
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Brilliant solution, not everyone has enough cash for an S3.
Also, for me at least, the S3 is too big while the GNex ist just about right, and I don't really have small hands.
But everyone has different preferences.
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I don't know, ever since I updated to the leaked 4.1, my phone just hasn't felt the same. It locks up 24/7, especially with the YouTube app. When I completely wiped my phone to put on the official firmware when it was released, it was even worse! Now I'm on the amazing Sakura Droid CM 10, which is awesome, cus I have unlimited 3G internet anyway. Ever since I switched to that, NONE of the problems I had existed.
My question is, is Jelly Bean for the Ace 2 poorly optimized? My phone ran MUCH better on 2.3.6.
I'd like to add that on my S2, it is also the same, though not as much. (Faster boot, fixes lockups faster).
I'm guessing it isn't optimized for the ARM processors.
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I don't know, ever since I updated to the leaked 4.1, my phone just hasn't felt the same. It locks up 24/7, especially with the YouTube app. When I completely wiped my phone to put on the official firmware when it was released, it was even worse! Now I'm on the amazing Sakura Droid CM 10, which is awesome, cus I have unlimited 3G internet anyway. Ever since I switched to that, NONE of the problems I had existed.
My question is, is Jelly Bean for the Ace 2 poorly optimized? My phone ran MUCH better on 2.3.6.
I'd like to add that on my S2, it is also the same, though not as much. (Faster boot, fixes lockups faster).
I'm guessing it isn't optimized for the ARM processors.
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i think of you already have unlimited internet you can flash cyanogen mod its better than stock samsung jb firmware
but yes thhe samsung jb firmware is POOOOORLY OPTIMIZED FOR OUR DEVICE
gingerbread actually is better and faster in everything
but its too old now, thats the problem
and what is the point if this thread?
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and what is the point if this thread?
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Mostly to see if it's a phone problem or an OS problem. Looks like an OS problem.
CM10 is JB...
I love CM10 coz it has a Theme chooser ...
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Yesterday I flashed MC8 over GB and it's been working fine since then. Even the AnTuTu score is better than in GB: 5974 vs 5800 or sth.
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I don't know, ever since I updated to the leaked 4.1, my phone just hasn't felt the same. It locks up 24/7, especially with the YouTube app. When I completely wiped my phone to put on the official firmware when it was released, it was even worse! Now I'm on the amazing Sakura Droid CM 10, which is awesome, cus I have unlimited 3G internet anyway. Ever since I switched to that, NONE of the problems I had existed.
My question is, is Jelly Bean for the Ace 2 poorly optimized? My phone ran MUCH better on 2.3.6.
I'd like to add that on my S2, it is also the same, though not as much. (Faster boot, fixes lockups faster).
I'm guessing it isn't optimized for the ARM processors.
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you mean ST-Erricson processor? since most android phone out there use ARM processor
Jesus... where do you guys get your information?
ST-Ericsson, Qualcomm etc., they all utilize the general architecture of RISC(Reduced instruction set computing) managed, developed and promoted by ARM Holdings.
Thus, any processor that respects their core design is an ARM processor. Just different brands implementing the same general architecture.
And if the thread starter used any of the leaked beta roms, it's no wonder his phone works poorly.
The phone stutters often and it is frustrating! I just switched from the Galaxy Note II to the Galaxy S 4 and simple task like switching between home screens and application screens stutter. Third party applications run perfectly smooth. Face unlock has massive stuttering and I used it on my past devices just fine. The only thing I can think of is that it is powering a 1080P display.
I've been looking around online and all I seen were complaints or people saying they do not experience it. People who have what are some fixes?
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The phone stutters often and it is frustrating! I just switched from the Galaxy Note II to the Galaxy S 4 and simple task like switching between home screens and application screens stutter. Third party applications run perfectly smooth. Face unlock has massive stuttering and I used it on my past devices just fine. The only thing I can think of is that it is powering a 1080P display.
I've been looking around online and all I seen were complaints or people saying they do not experience it. People who have what are some fixes?
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Have you tried checking your background apps? Maybe the processor is busy running something else very resource intensive?
newbieandroid said:
The phone stutters often and it is frustrating! I just switched from the Galaxy Note II to the Galaxy S 4 and simple task like switching between home screens and application screens stutter. Third party applications run perfectly smooth. Face unlock has massive stuttering and I used it on my past devices just fine. The only thing I can think of is that it is powering a 1080P display.
I've been looking around online and all I seen were complaints or people saying they do not experience it. People who have what are some fixes?
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Try different home launchers, disable s-voice home button, flash a custom rom. I dont use face unlock. Look some more, and post questions in the questions section.
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Flash cm10.1 and your problems are fixed.
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^^^ Don't flash cm10, it's buggy and you lose all the badass tw features. Mine runs butter smooth. Like others have said try flashing a custom tw rom like wicked
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^^^ Don't flash cm10, it's buggy and you lose all the badass tw features. Mine runs butter smooth. Like others have said try flashing a custom tw rom like wicked
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Guess it depends on whether you use any of that stuff. I don't use of it. I got the phone for the hardware and the screen.
Cm10.1 = absolutely lag free. Bar none. What bugs are you referring to? I'm solid over here.
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Guess it depends on whether you use any of that stuff. I don't use of it. I got the phone for the hardware and the screen.
Cm10.1 = absolutely lag free. Bar none. What bugs are you referring to? I'm solid over here.
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The simple fact that you downgrade from the tw camera to the aosp camera is enough for me. Plus the fact that when you record video the volume is way lower. There was also a call bug that sometimes you or the other person couldn't hear each other ( I'm not sure but I think it was fixed). Cm was great for me when I had the Motorola Triumph since the triumph sucked, but cm has always had issues on all my phones that I've owned. Honestly people say it's so much smoother but I don't see a difference from tw and cm.
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The simple fact that you downgrade from the tw camera to the aosp camera is enough for me. Plus the fact that when you record video the volume is way lower. There was also a call bug that sometimes you or the other person couldn't hear each other ( I'm not sure but I think it was fixed). Cm was great for me when I had the Motorola Triumph since the triumph sucked, but cm has always had issues on all my phones that I've owned. Honestly people say it's so much smoother but I don't see a difference from tw and cm.
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No bugs on my end. Could care less about the camera, and yes, the smoothness is apparent as soon as you flash cm. Anyone can tell you that. The only reason to go with TW is the features.
It just depends on personal preference.
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I flashed the 4.3 Google Edition ROM and it is butter smooth along with the face unlock. So maybe it is not the 1080p display. I also noticed ram usage dropped by a good 50%. The TW ROM uses around 900mb-1.1Gb probably due to the bloatware that was on it. A Google Edition phone for only $580 I am happy.
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It's apparently Touch Wiz that makes the phone laggy.I'm expecting Samsung to make this less of an issue with updates since it is a new phone but I didn't want to wait.
I flashed the Infamous rom since I am not willing to give up the Samsung camera features. Then I use Nova launcher within it and it runs much faster.
Horrible touchwiz is what causes the lag, flashed GE ROM. BUTTER SMOOTH, I don't use the Samsung gimmicky features and the only camera mode I use is HDR that's included in the GE ROM
Super smooth, super stable, great battery life, more ram, win!!!
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Just flashed wickedrom, and absolutely no lag. Get all the fewtures of tw without the lag.
Win win.
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Bro if you flash Omega v7 from the "i9505" forums and right after you flash omega, flash ktoonz kernel for the TMOBILE s4, the phone runs BUTTER i mean BUTTER smooth.
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Bro if you flash Omega v7 from the "i9505" forums and right after you flash omega, flash ktoonz kernel for the TMOBILE s4, the phone runs BUTTER i mean BUTTER smooth.
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I did that earlier, but my WiFi wouldn't turn on. Someone explained how to switch radios through oden, but that's a pain.
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I installed the ktoonz kernel on my otherwise stock 4 and it is absolutely 100% smoother.
Stock S4 here with Nova Launcher, NO LAG, here my crappy video, LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_gMBPMhw0
Beside the lag has the heat given any of you some trouble? I noticed the phone heats up quicker than any of my previous phones but it doesn't seem to cause any harm to performance.
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I've had 2 M919 Galaxy S4's so far.
First one I returned because it was so incredibly laggy, everyone said theirs was butter smooth (all of whom were in denial), I thought I had a defective device. I tried all the custom roms using the Tmobile base and also international 9505 roms. Still did not fix the microstutters. Second one was laggy as hell also out of the box so I knew it was just the device. The latest international 9505 roms seem to make the phone smoother, but there are microstutters still present which should NOT BE THE CASE with a phone that's this powerful, but the biggest offender for me still is web browsing.
Open up the stock browser or chrome and go to theverge.com website, call up the full site and browse around. Pinch and zoom, then pan around. Tell me how incredibly slow it is to use. It seems like I'm using my original Motorola Droid all over again.
I'm sure by the time the Galaxy S5 comes around, Samsung "might" finally come out with a smooth working firmware for the S4, in the meantime I say ditch this device and get the HTC One. That baby is liquid smooth in EVERY operation and rips the S4 a new butt hole when it comes to web browsing smoothness and speed. Hell it even still supports full Adobe Flash even with 4.2.2.
The One is also pushing a 1080P screen so it's not the pixel count that is slowing the S4 down. It's something else. I had initially blamed the S4 lagging because of 4.2.2, reason is on my Note 2 running 4.1.2 it had next to zero lag and it's also running a heavy TW skin. I thought the HTC One was so smooth because it was still on 4.1.2. Well after updating to 4.2.2 on the HTC One, it even GOT SMOOTHER and FASTER.
I have also ran the google edition ROM's on both my S4 and my HTC One, and guess what?? The HTC ONE ran the pure GE ROM smoother than the S4 still!
The GE ROM still has slight microstutter on the S4 which is mind boggling. I noticed it a few times when opening the dialer and gmail app, the animation has a bit of microstuter in the animation when opening up. Something is definitely up with the S4 hardware wise.
Dan37tz said:
I've had 2 M919 Galaxy S4's so far.
First one I returned because it was so incredibly laggy, everyone said theirs was butter smooth (all of whom were in denial), I thought I had a defective device. I tried all the custom roms using the Tmobile base and also international 9505 roms. Still did not fix the microstutters. Second one was laggy as hell also out of the box so I knew it was just the device. The latest international 9505 roms seem to make the phone smoother, but there are microstutters still present which should NOT BE THE CASE with a phone that's this powerful, but the biggest offender for me still is web browsing.
Open up the stock browser or chrome and go to theverge.com website, call up the full site and browse around. Pinch and zoom, then pan around. Tell me how incredibly slow it is to use. It seems like I'm using my original Motorola Droid all over again.
I'm sure by the time the Galaxy S5 comes around, Samsung "might" finally come out with a smooth working firmware for the S4, in the meantime I say ditch this device and get the HTC One. That baby is liquid smooth in EVERY operation and rips the S4 a new butt hole when it comes to web browsing smoothness and speed. Hell it even still supports full Adobe Flash even with 4.2.2.
The One is also pushing a 1080P screen so it's not the pixel count that is slowing the S4 down. It's something else. I had initially blamed the S4 lagging because of 4.2.2, reason is on my Note 2 running 4.1.2 it had next to zero lag and it's also running a heavy TW skin. I thought the HTC One was so smooth because it was still on 4.1.2. Well after updating to 4.2.2 on the HTC One, it even GOT SMOOTHER and FASTER.
I have also ran the google edition ROM's on both my S4 and my HTC One, and guess what?? The HTC ONE ran the pure GE ROM smoother than the S4 still!
The GE ROM still has slight microstutter on the S4 which is mind boggling. I noticed it a few times when opening the dialer and gmail app, the animation has a bit of microstuter in the animation when opening up. Something is definitely up with the S4 hardware wise.
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I just opened up 20+ apps and didn't get not one micro stutter, running GE ROM. Also Im not in denial cause I hated the TW micro stutter when opening apps. My browser is BUTTER smooth, it rarely gives white spots and its 1 to 1 with my finger. I love it.
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I've been using Android for years now and I'm a huge Linux geek, but does the TouchWiz kernel really make that much of a performance improvement over an AOSP kernel, or is it other things also? When I first got my S4 I was amazed at how fast TW was out of the box, I stuck with it a few days and then went on to AOSP roms. I stayed on AOSP roms for about a week or two and things started to feel slower.
(before anyone flames me, I know benchmark scores don't mean a lot but they are a decent performance measurement) Just for the hell of it I ran Quadrant Advanced OC'd to 1.9 GHz and got a max of 7,000; I was having call quality issues to I decided to switch back to a TW rom, I was using either Wicked or Infamous S4 and while I had it loaded I ran Quadrant and got a whopping 12,700 which blew my mind! After the GE rom came out I was running that for about a week and was getting the same score. I didn't test it on the 4.3 leak though, which is apparently AOSP and not a stripped down TW rom.
So what is it about TW based roms that accounts for the huge difference in performance? Not only are my benchmark scores about 5,000-6,000 points higher, it also feels snappier while opening up programs and changing orientations. Are there a bunch of drivers/kernel modules that are missing or are hacked together in the AOSP roms/kernels that aren't nearly as good as the ones in the "official" roms?
Actually that is not true, I have seen some fast aosp roms out there, it is kernel related, experiment with a different kernel, you will see the results change.
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So what is it about TW based roms that accounts for the huge difference in performance? Not only are my benchmark scores about 5,000-6,000 points higher, it also feels snappier while opening up programs and changing orientations. Are there a bunch of drivers/kernel modules that are missing or are hacked together in the AOSP roms/kernels that aren't nearly as good as the ones in the "official" roms?
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I wouldn't say they're missing or hacked together, but Samsung has all the sources for their devices. Not just the kernel source, but also all the inner workings of the SoCs they're programming for. They have all the information needed to maximize the performance of the devices the make. AOSP roms don't have this luxury.
Think of it like graphics drivers in the Linux world. You can use nvidia's driver blobs (TW roms), or you can use F/OSS developed Nouveau drivers (AOSP).
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Actually that is not true, I have seen some fast aosp roms out there, it is kernel related, experiment with a different kernel, you will see the results change.
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I never said that it happened on all of the devices that I've had. In most cases the AOSP roms were almost always faster.
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I wouldn't say they're missing or hacked together, but Samsung has all the sources for their devices. Not just the kernel source, but also all the inner workings of the SoCs they're programming for. They have all the information needed to maximize the performance of the devices the make. AOSP roms don't have this luxury.
Think of it like graphics drivers in the Linux world. You can use nvidia's driver blobs (TW roms), or you can use F/OSS developed Nouveau drivers (AOSP).
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Yea I figured it was something like that. Thanks. Boo for closed source stuff
Just for fun I'm going to keep a running tally of quadrant benchmarks in here.
Score: 7762
Rom: RevoltJB v4.4 Stable
Kernel: Chronic Kernel 3.4.50 7/2
CPU: max 1.89 GHz performance governor
GPU: 504 performance governor
Score: 13191
Rom: Infamous S4 Google Edition v3
Kernel: Ktoonsez 3.4.0-KT-SGS4
CPU: max 1.998 GHz performance governor
GPU: 504 MHz performance governor
Quadrant scores mean absolutely nothing in terms of how fast a ROM/kernel is. You're basically using a random number generator to base your idea of speed on. TW ROMs are slow as hell when compared to AOSP.
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Quadrant scores mean absolutely nothing in terms of how fast a ROM/kernel is. You're basically using a random number generator to base your idea of speed on. TW ROMs are slow as hell when compared to AOSP.
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Bench marks aren't completely useless or else companies that review tech products wouldn't use them at all (I'm not speaking necessarily about Android). They do vary by a few hundred points but they do give you a ballpark range. Have you tried out the Google Edition rom yet? It's easy faster than any AOSP rom I've ever used.
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I've been using the GE ROM since it leaked and my phone runs circles around my brothers TW galaxy s4. *shrugs
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fuego77 said:
I've been using the GE ROM since it leaked and my phone runs circles around my brothers TW galaxy s4. *shrugs
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I don't have another one to test against, but they feel equally fast to me.
AOSP and AOKP ROMS are by far much smoother. I believe its to do with the lower size of the OS, theres just much fewer processes, and not as much detailing in the menus which just creates smoother overall transitions and a good experience. My only crutch against them are that they heat my Galaxy S4 so much, and i don't know why it would be so, but on TW my device can idle in the 30's, heats to 40's/50's under medium-heavy load and goes up to about 65 when gaming for long periods of time.
On AOKP and AOSP in the same situations i wont ever idle below 50 degrees, moderate usage brings it to mid-high 60's and heavy usage it constantly throttles at 70, and when i disabled my throttle it heated up to 80 so quick that i got scared and quickly turned it back on. All these temps are in C.
I found on the Galaxy S3 that AOKP ran much cooler than it did on the S4, and its just the temps on those ROMS are what keeps me on Touchwiz as my daily driver. Its bad on the battery life and bad on the feel when your phone is warm no matter what you do, yet i love the whole neatness and smoothness of AOKP.
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AOSP and AOKP ROMS are by far much smoother
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That's not what I've experienced on my S4. The Google Edition (which is TW based) runs circles around Carbon and RevoltJB, I haven't tried pure CM or AOKP yet though.
I*experimented the same problem concerning performance and high temperature on S4 on AOSP*roms.
I opened a issue on CM (CYAN-1768) and SlimRom (SlimRoms/device_samsung_jfltetmo/issues/2) issue tracker.
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I*experimented the same problem concerning performance and high temperature on S4 on AOSP*roms.
I opened a issue on CM (CYAN-1768) and SlimRom (SlimRoms/device_samsung_jfltetmo/issues/2) issue tracker.
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Because people do not know that ODEXING a ROM optimizes it. Most members see "deodexed" on the title of the zip and believe it will be faster than odex version. *sigh*
But none of them are faster than the new LiquidSmooth rom it's blazing fast. I have used it on my S2 and S3 but this is the fastest aosp rom out easily.
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I'm on tasks AOKP and its really fast. Every aosp ROM in general I have tried are faster.
I have never seen an aosp rom be "faster" than stock, and that's on all my phones. I used to like cm/aokp but they always have bugs, whether it's small or big, they always have bugs. On the S3 and on the S4 I have flashed aosp roms but always end up coming back to tw. Tw>aosp
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richardlibeau said:
But none of them are faster than the new LiquidSmooth rom it's blazing fast. I have used it on my S2 and S3 but this is the fastest aosp rom out easily.
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whytechapel_x said:
I'm on tasks AOKP and its really fast. Every aosp ROM in general I have tried are faster.
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These are 2 very very fast roms... best aosp roms ive used. But, bottom line, samsung has stepped their game up and made tw work like a custom rom itself. Aside from the 600mb+ of stock bloat, this phone is perfect out if the box
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DigitalUnderground said:
These are 2 very very fast roms... best aosp roms ive used. But, bottom line, samsung has stepped their game up and made tw work like a custom rom itself. Aside from the 600mb+ of stock bloat, this phone is perfect out if the box
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Say what??? Perfect out of the box no way.. and the tw theme it comes with is terrible looking as well.
richardlibeau said:
Say what??? Perfect out of the box no way.. and the tw theme it comes with is terrible looking as well.
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Lol ok
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Lol ok
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I mean l love the phone how I have it now but I guess to each his own. TW just doesn't work for me. The best TW rom I have seen that is themed and looks gteat is DeathStar but that's just my opinion. Personally I have never kept a stock rom on any phone I have ever had because of the limitations with it and the usual stock bull that comes with it.
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I mean l love the phone how I have it now but I guess to each his own. TW just doesn't work for me. The best TW rom I have seen that is themed and looks gteat is DeathStar but that's just my opinion. Personally I have never kept a stock rom on any phone I have ever had because of the limitations with it and the usual stock bull that comes with it.
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I always use custom roms as well... usually the ones i cook myself (see sig) but I'm just saying that there aren't as many mods or whatnot to add to this phone because of how nice it is on stock. Like u said... to each his own.
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When is somebody going to make a custom rom for this thing
Ever since Josh beach left us I have seen only modified stock, I prefer a rom like kit Kat killer, is anyone working on something like this ?
Cyanogen Mod 12.0 is almost ready. That's a great custom ROM.
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When is somebody going to make a custom rom for this thing
Ever since Josh beach left us I have seen only modified stock, I prefer a rom like kit Kat killer, is anyone working on something like this ?
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I dont think there is a real understanding here, either a rom is stock modified (no matter how modified) or aosp based. aosp is currently being worked on so all there is stock based.
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When is somebody going to make a custom rom for this thing
Ever since Josh beach left us I have seen only modified stock, I prefer a rom like kit Kat killer, is anyone working on something like this ?
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I am kind of in the same boat
Master Zen and Freeza are the other two note users here that I really followed through the Note 2/3
Freeza was a lifesaver for extracting basebands and posting them Day 1 as well as custom kernels and Zen made really good work of stock roms with simple themes.
The note 2 had instant support from the community
The Note 3 took a few months to get going..
Note 4 is at a much slower pace.. but it may have to do with the release schedule and peoples upgrades/contracts.
I actually made my own version of the stock rom.but its still slow
I ported all of my apps and took some tweaks from my note 2 and note 3 and moved them over to the Note 4 with Titanium
Wanam Xposed really has everything I needed for interface adjustments.. I run my phone at 320 pixel density ( as opposed to stock 480)
so its visually pleasing but I have so many apps i moved over Im not sure if the issues im having now are related to one of those tweaks or the phone itself.
This thing is just a lagfest... the keyboard - you hit the back button and you dont know if it accepted the command.. and you end up erasing half a paragraph, Something in touchwiz is also causing an issue with the app window and switching between apps
Ive done all the silly tweaks like window animation, gutted Svoice ( which will cause popup issues with the camera when you try to take a selfie since it loads svoice for listening to verbal commands...
Im ready to jump to CM12 honestly..
Note 3- camera a little better- performance great
Note 4- camera finally good- Performance.. OK despite being spec'd much higher..
Its sad.. but hang in there more options will be around soon- Nobody wants to dump 100s of hours into building the perfect rom on a platform that is at the end of its cycle- When android 5.0/ 5.01 official comes out from Samsung you will see a LOT MORE activity because thats what everyone is waiting for to start building on to be honest. ( And CM is nice, but we always lose features and almost every time theres either an issue with the camera or lockscreen, or texting/mms)
Wait another 2 months, or take your chances with some of the ports and new guys roms.. Anything at this point is better than the stock heap of garbage samsung touchwiz is at its current state
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chaosrecords said:
Note 4- camera finally good- Performance.. OK despite being spec'd much higher.
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Performance ok? Im on zens rom, debloated and my phone flys! First phone with zero lag! Snappy as hell
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Performance ok? Im on zens rom, debloated and my phone flys! First phone with zero lag! Snappy as hell
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Wheres zens debloated
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pbedard said:
Wheres zens debloated
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I debloated it with titanium backup lol
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Wheres zens debloated
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Either you can use Titanium backup or you can use a few different roms available that come pre-debloated!
So I would like to retract my issues with performance and lag.
I was not aware that Xposed had an issue that caused lag spikes.
Learned when I went to look for new roms- so now i notice a huge difference.. phone is much faster now.
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So I would like to retract my issues with performance and lag.
I was not aware that Xposed had an issue that caused lag spikes.
Learned when I went to look for new roms- so now i notice a huge difference.. phone is much faster now.
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I believe there is a fix for that however?
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So I would like to retract my issues with performance and lag.
I was not aware that Xposed had an issue that caused lag spikes.
Learned when I went to look for new roms- so now i notice a huge difference.. phone is much faster now.
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millerboy3 said:
I believe there is a fix for that however?
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You won't have that problem if you use millerboys Rom [emoji41]i use it with no lag and I use xposed.
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Its sad.. but hang in there more options will be around soon- Nobody wants to dump 100s of hours into building the perfect rom on a platform that is at the end of its cycle- When android 5.0/ 5.01 official comes out from Samsung you will see a LOT MORE activity because thats what everyone is waiting for to start building on to be honest. ( And CM is nice, but we always lose features and almost every time theres either an issue with the camera or lockscreen, or texting/mms)
Wait another 2 months, or take your chances with some of the ports and new guys roms.. Anything at this point is better than the stock heap of garbage samsung touchwiz is at its current state
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I agree with you on this. But even with the lack of custom roms, I really have no complaints with a custom stock rom because the phone is great right out of the box. So until 5.0 comes out I really don't see investing a lot of time and effort into making a radical custom rom with 4.4.4. and then having to turn around and start all over again when 5.0 finally releases. With this said, this is the first phone that I really don't feel the need for a wildly custom rom that "adds features". Other than performance/battery tweaks, I'm perfectly fine with it the way it is. Maybe this is because I've been messing with this stuff for so long and seen so many custom roms/projects over the years with several different devices, that I finally feel content with a device without feeling the need for a custom rom. Going with an AOSP/CM based rom pretty much cripples all of the built in TW features and that's the whole point of buying a Galaxy device with a Spen and all of it's features. Let's just see what happens when 5.0 comes out.
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I believe there is a fix for that however?
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There is.. many roms that have xposed built in will advertise "Xposed-proof" or "Xposed bug fixed"
I had no idea what they were talking about at first until i realized there was an issue with it causing lag with one of the versions
chaosrecords said:
I am kind of in the same boat
Master Zen and Freeza are the other two note users here that I really followed through the Note 2/3
Freeza was a lifesaver for extracting basebands and posting them Day 1 as well as custom kernels and Zen made really good work of stock roms with simple themes.
The note 2 had instant support from the community
The Note 3 took a few months to get going..
Note 4 is at a much slower pace.. but it may have to do with the release schedule and peoples upgrades/contracts.
I actually made my own version of the stock rom.but its still slow
I ported all of my apps and took some tweaks from my note 2 and note 3 and moved them over to the Note 4 with Titanium
Wanam Xposed really has everything I needed for interface adjustments.. I run my phone at 320 pixel density ( as opposed to stock 480)
so its visually pleasing but I have so many apps i moved over Im not sure if the issues im having now are related to one of those tweaks or the phone itself.
This thing is just a lagfest... the keyboard - you hit the back button and you dont know if it accepted the command.. and you end up erasing half a paragraph, Something in touchwiz is also causing an issue with the app window and switching between apps
Ive done all the silly tweaks like window animation, gutted Svoice ( which will cause popup issues with the camera when you try to take a selfie since it loads svoice for listening to verbal commands...
Im ready to jump to CM12 honestly..
Note 3- camera a little better- performance great
Note 4- camera finally good- Performance.. OK despite being spec'd much higher..
Its sad.. but hang in there more options will be around soon- Nobody wants to dump 100s of hours into building the perfect rom on a platform that is at the end of its cycle- When android 5.0/ 5.01 official comes out from Samsung you will see a LOT MORE activity because thats what everyone is waiting for to start building on to be honest. ( And CM is nice, but we always lose features and almost every time theres either an issue with the camera or lockscreen, or texting/mms)
Wait another 2 months, or take your chances with some of the ports and new guys roms.. Anything at this point is better than the stock heap of garbage samsung touchwiz is at its current state
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Great post, I have same sentiments and feedback.. I went back to Nexus 6 but still have hope for the Note 4. COME ON SAMSUNG!! Release the lollipop update already!!
More than the lagginess of the rom even on debloated rom (compared to nexus 6) my main gripe/thing I cant stand at all is the lack of dark themes.
Not sure how you all could be so excited about lollipop when Xposed won't work on it...
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beezar said:
Not sure how you all could be so excited about lollipop when Xposed won't work on it...
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Old post... yes, but in case any others stumble upon this while looking up stuff for their note 4's... xposed works fine with Lollipop Android. I run my Sprint Note 4 with the Note5 hybrid ROM with the Xposed Framework version 86.0 (custom build by wanam / 20160709) and have no issues.