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All other big carriers for the U.S got or is going to get a second galaxys phone but there is no news on one for sprint. Verizon=continuum. T-mobile=nexus s. AT&T=infuse. What about sprint?
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All other big carriers for the U.S got or is going to get a second galaxys phone but there is no news on one for sprint. Verizon=mesmerize. T-mobile=nexus s. AT&T=infuse. What about sprint?
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i think sprint has something else up its sleeve besides the evo shift
I doubt it, sprints slow to the punch when it comes to nw phones.
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I thought so too.so does any body have any rumors? This is probably the reason the galaxy s phones have such have bad support, they were prototypes of the real deal maybe I think kinda probably most likely. But since specs of the infuse have already come out I'm expecting the epic 2(I'm calling it that until a confirmed name us found) to have way better specs
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It would be dumb to launch another Samsung hummingbird phone at this point. Tegra 2 is clearly where the future is in Android phones and tablets, and the 40 million amazing super phones being unveiled at CES right now are evidence of this.
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It would be dumb to launch another Samsung hummingbird phone at this point. Tegra 2 is clearly where the future is in Android phones and tablets, and the 40 million amazing super phones being unveiled at CES right now are evidence of this.
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Well they're launching the infuse aren't they
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It seems like all the awesome high powered phones are going to at&t and verizon. What the hell? Why is sprint so slow with the new phones? I mean the EVO shift 4g, come on. Piece of crap. They seem to be more geared on releasing mid grade crap than getting some high end stuff out there. I just looked over engadget about some of the phones at CES and didn't see anything new being released from sprint. Did I miss anything? Did anyone else see any new high end phones coming to sprint?
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All other big carriers for the U.S got or is going to get a second galaxys phone but there is no news on one for sprint. Verizon=mesmerize. T-mobile=nexus s. AT&T=infuse. What about sprint?
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isnt mezmerize the usc varient of the galaxy S aka a fascinate renamed..
to be fair Verizon will have 3 galaxy s phones...Fascinate, Continuum, the 4g phone
and knowing sprint they wont release another top tier phone after the shift for at least 3 month >.>
Oh my bad I just keep on getting the names mixed up. Nice catch
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It would be dumb to launch another Samsung hummingbird phone at this point. Tegra 2 is clearly where the future is in Android phones and tablets, and the 40 million amazing super phones being unveiled at CES right now are evidence of this.
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This is just a continuation of Google working with different hardware manufacturers with each version of Android. HTC/Qualcom snapdragon with Nexus One and Froyo, Samsung hummingbird with Nexus S and Gingerbread, and now NVidia Tegra 2 with Honeycomb. The dual-core hummingbird can easily go toe to toe with the Tegra 2. It just wasn't Google's partner for this current iteration of android development.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/support/brochures/downloads/systemlsi/Orion.pdf
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3901/going-out-of-order-samsung-announces-orion-cortex-a9-soc
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This is just a continuation of Google working with different hardware manufacturers with each version of Android. HTC/Qualcom snapdragon with Nexus One and Froyo, Samsung hummingbird with Nexus S and Gingerbread, and now NVidia Tegra 2 with Honeycomb. The dual-core hummingbird can easily go toe to toe with the Tegra 2. It just wasn't Google's partner for this current iteration of android development.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/support/brochures/downloads/systemlsi/Orion.pdf
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3901/going-out-of-order-samsung-announces-orion-cortex-a9-soc
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Well who knows if the orion gets used at all especially after this
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/19/samsung-nabs-tegra-2-for-galaxy-tab-2-google-makes-tegra-the-ho/
Yea, I dont know what Orion is capable of, but I am pretty damn sure that Tegra 2 is awesome as hell from what I have seen.
That only shows that the Tab will be using the Tegra 2...for the cellphone they may go with Orion for it..
If I remember correctly the Orion is 32nm..while Tegra 2 is 40nm..so the Orion should be more energy efficient then and a better choice for cellphones...
If the Blackberry Playbook is using the Orion, then I am impressed. There is no indication that it IS using the Orion, but it could be. Until I see an Orion processor do what a Tegra 2 can do, I will be rooting for the Tegra 2 to come to Sprint.
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If the Blackberry Playbook is using the Orion, then I am impressed. There is no indication that it IS using the Orion, but it could be. Until I see an Orion processor do what a Tegra 2 can do, I will be rooting for the Tegra 2 to come to Sprint.
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The Orion has an ARM Mali GPU is the rumor..
According to Samsung it dishes out 267Mtri/s & 1.6Gpix/s..which seems pretty good to me :/
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The Orion has an ARM Mali GPU is the rumor..
According to Samsung it dishes out 267Mtri/s & 1.6Gpix/s..which seems pretty good to me :/
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We're gonna need benchmarks of real world applications like games to verify this. Triangles and gigapixels is not representative often real world performance.
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We're gonna need benchmarks of real world applications like games to verify this. Triangles and gigapixels is not representative often real world performance.
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We don't even have a real world performance of the Tegra 2 chip..so far only real performance we got was on 1 core and we don't even know if it was optimized or not or anything for the matter...while it may not be an indication that the Orion is better then the Tegra 2..its a good enough indication to say its at least on par...
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We don't even have a real world performance of the Tegra 2 chip..so far only real performance we got was on 1 core and we don't even know if it was optimized or not or anything for the matter...while it may not be an indication that the Orion is better then the Tegra 2..its a good enough indication to say its at least on par...
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On the contrary:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4054/first-look-viewsonic-gtablet-and-tegra-2-performance-preview/2
GPU performance is not that impressive compared to the Hummingbird, but CPU is.
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On the contrary:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4054/first-look-viewsonic-gtablet-and-tegra-2-performance-preview/2
GPU performance is not that impressive compared to the Hummingbird, but CPU is.
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The CPU scores are expected because its a Cortex A9..any Cortex A9 will always be better then a Cortex A8..still those scores are not optimizing the Hummingbird 100% and probably not optimizing the Tegra 2 either..and is using a single core..
Each CPU in the Tegra 2 also has its own GPU so you can estimate 1.6-2x the scores its getting now minimum
I think sprints next big thing will be windows 7 phones.
How long until you believe this phone becomes obsolete? I hear a lot of people (and read them, too) say that this is probably the first phone they'd go the full 2 years with...however, being realistic, when was the last time you made it two years with the same device? I haven't gone two years with the same device since the original Razr was in style.
I know, I know, at 2gb ram, dual core, etc, this phone is far from becoming obsolete, so I'll rephrase that question for you: What feature on a future phone would make you make the switch from your Galaxy S3? Or are you confident enough that there will be no other phone in the next two years that can replace it?
When they release phones with 16 core Opterons in them
In the wise words of amd..:
MOAR CORES!!!!!
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My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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I've actually been impressed with mobile gaming...never was big on it but I have played 3D Spiderman, GTA 3, Fifa12, PES 2011 and 2012, NBA Jam, etc...been a great experience recently
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My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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Yes
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I don't know that I have a feature that I would jump ship for at this time ... but I wonder if, in 2 years, the size and use of applications will make even 2 gb of ram obsolete?
I'm in the camp that I can see keeping this phone throughout contract, but it is hard to tell if, in 1.5 to 2 years time, 2 GB of ram is actually not enough to keep up with programs/OS requirements. I don't necessarily think so, but remember back when 256MB of ram was a lot? That wasn't TOO long ago.
But, since I don't use my phone for intense gaming, I see this phone in my future for a long while - at least until the sandwich-making feature phone is announced.
I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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You and I think alike. Also had Evo 3D, Razr, GNex, but still had to have the S3 and more than likely getting the Note 2 when it comes out
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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That's why you make a friend who works for AT&T and gets all the new phones free who can turn around and sell em to u for 100-150...lol
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
For some reason I feel someone is gonna make a 1080P phone, which is useless btw--just had to throw that out there for those that were unaware. Cores cores and more cores will probably be one of the more popular acts we see though, and 2GB-4GB Ram will be standard. Unfortunately I wish these companies would realize they need to relax b/c optimizations are practically nonexistent with Stock Android phones. I hate to constantly reference Apple & WP7/8, though it's a must. When i hear people telling me stuff like the HOAX or S3, or whatever dual/quad lags--lag. Seriously, these phones are using CPUs that theoretically should outperform the 4S/iPd3, but that's normally not the case. We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
P.S. Sorry about going off on a rant.
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We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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What are u streaming? And what coverage do you have? 3G? H+?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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And it only took around 2 months for it to become obsolete then, not ideal in the world I would prefer, but I suppose it can't be helped. This phone could had been so much more if Samsung stuck with the SGX instead of adopting the Mali-400. It would had been so cool to have the CPU part of the S4 combined with a dual/quad SGX543/544 like the ipad/iphones. Those GPUs outperform even the silly Tegra 3 & its fancy 16 cores(which are just 16 weak cores throw together ). I don't know what Sammy or Qualcomm were thinking about. Everyone is just dropping the ball all over the place these days.
I'm not really sure, mainly because I'm not entirely vested in this phone as it is, so it probably wouldn't take much, provided I could sell this one and cover the majority cost of a replacement phone.
I think something with sufficient horsepower to run some things which even this phone can't, but that remains to be seen. One thing that could almost definitely sell me is a flagship phone like this one that has a hardware keyboard. The problem is that I'm in the minority, so a flagship Galaxy S or Nexus phone is highly unlikely to have one, and I care ever so slightly more about the fact that flagship phones have thriving development communities, whereas one-off phones, which I may like more, won't get the same kind of attention from either developers or manufacturers.
I'll keep my phone until my contract is up. I always have (except for my BB Storm which I *****ed about until they upgraded me). My OG Droid Inc lasted for 2 years until I got this S3 and it was still in like new condition. I was tired of the small screen, but the devs here kept the phone fresh.
Hell, part of me misses my Inc. (Love this phone, though.)
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Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings.
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
An old Startac is obsolete because it It can no longer be used. My old Motorola RAZR is not obsolete because I can still use it
for it's intended purpose.
I would say the phone will not be obsolete for many years to come. How can a device me considered obsolete if there is a phone
with a faster CPU or more memory? The phone can still be used for it's intended purpose.
My S3 can not do anything my Vibrant couldn't (with the same mechanicals), it only does it better.
Ian
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
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Actually when I said latest offering I was referencing the iPad 3. And actually I stated the GPU in Android devices are all obsolete(as in not current in terms of power). The Legendary SGX543 MP4 in the iPad 3 mops the floor of every single Android device to ever touch this world, even the soon to be made Adreno 320 in the new S4 QUAD(snapdragon) fails to match the creature. Even the 4S' SGX543 MP2 is barely phased by the Mali 400, Adreno 225, and Tegra 3's laughable 16 core toy. I have no doubt that the S3's CPU is superior at all.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6022/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review-att-and-tmobile-usa-variants/4
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
^Just look there, every time Apple makes everyone look like a joke. As much as I dislike Apple's methods and price gouging what I say it true.
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
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Obsolete (by my definition) doesn't mean that a newer/better product exists. Every device would be a obsolete within a few months if that were the case. To me obsolescence means that it either doesn't perform modern tasks acceptably or a new product feature is so desirable that you simply don't want your old device anymore.
We all know the S3 will handle Jelly Bean beautifully. I'm pretty confident it will be good for Key Lime Pie as well. I got close to 2 years from my OG Epic (Galaxy S1) and only upgraded short of 2 years because I could. With the strong CM/AOKP support this phone has, I'm fully confident I'll have this phone the full 2 years. Unless I break it, heh.
The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Yeah, ok.
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Why? This is about the Galaxy S III and its brand. There's nothing wrong with discussing how it handles against other phones on the market.
The iphone 5 benchmarks were false (unless you were talking about other benchmarks).
From Adam outler on Google Plus:
CNET posted a bogus report on benchmarks. I had problems believing that a dual core from apple would be faster than every Android device so I decided to go to the source. Turns out the Galaxy S3 and the Nexus7 both score higher benchmarks than the iPhone 5.
You can see here for yourself. IPhone scores 1590, Galaxy S3 scores 1766. These are the benchmarks mentioned in the article below.
Android benchmarks: URL blocked, from primatelabs
iPhone benchmarks: URL blocked, from primatelabs
CNET's blatantly misreported benchmark review : URL blocked from CNET "iphone-5-benchmarks-surface-performance-doubles"
Went to AT&T today looking at the 5 with my wife I must say but I hate admitting it the speed is insane on lte did a speed teat in store and it got 51 up 20 down ran it with my s3 got 45 up 18 down.
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Went to AT&T today looking at the 5 with my wife I must say but I hate admitting it the speed is insane on lte did a speed teat in store and it got 51 up 20 down ran it with my s3 got 45 up 18 down.
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It would need alot more than that to get me to deal with all it's other shortcomings.
Who gives a rats ass about the fastest phone? People who are power hungry on specs slightly bug me. The S4 processor with the current GPU play everything flawlessly. Who cares that the ifail 5 has a better processor. Its a common fact that as soon as a new product is released, its outclassed by the time you change underwear at night. Pretty soon were all going to holding quad core/12 MP/1080p display beasts and then god will descend from the heavens and scoop us all us.... or a nuclear strike will occur and we will all be turned into dust.
Let apple have their glory because Samsung did when this phone was announced.
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The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Outclassed how? A Jellybean S3 benches faster than the iPhone 5 by a healthy margin and still has a bigger screen and more RAM.
I was just posting stats that I found there is nothing that apple could ever do that would make me abandon the samsung line of android devices. I have the note tablet as well and that blows the iPad away in my opinion.
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Ok... Yeah the crap phone 5 is five months newer than my GS 3... It had better be faster, otherwise they have bigger problems in that company than i thought. Hell with a additional 5 or 6 months, it ought to be faster than it is. Guess what, when the SGS 4 comes out in another 6-8 months, it will be faster than the icrap 5... and so forth and so on... Thus is life.
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Ultimately stock vs stock may be faster (marginally), but we can still over clock and optimize like crazy where they can't, and this will produce significant differences in performance. It all lays with the combination of hardware and software and the ability to manipulate it... this is where android will always win, because they give us the freedom to do these things.
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The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Those benchmarks that were posted by CNET were false. GG
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The only equipment in the i phone that is better is the processor. Everything else is outdated.
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The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Although I hate to point it out.... Your going by false data.
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The only thing the iphone5 has that I want is the almost unbreakable screen. They did some magic on that.
Other then that the iphone would be useless for me as it doesn't do anything I need and everything it does do is sub par
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The only thing the iphone5 has that I want is the almost unbreakable screen. They did some magic on that.
Other then that the iphone would be useless for me as it doesn't do anything I need and everything it does do is sub par
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Pretty sure the only reason the screen is "almost unbreakable" is because of the solid aluminum back and sides. Unlike the iPhone 4/4S, the screen doesn't really seem to cushion any of the blow like it did on previous devices, instead being taken more by the aluminum. As we all know, Gorilla Glass (or whatever they may be using in the iP5) can handle damn near anything on the face, but an impact to the edge is where the shattering happens.
I still wouldn't want one simply because of the screen, because i simply just don't drop my phone. Never have, and doubt i will anytime soon.
Umm, OP, you do realize that the OS are different and demand different things from its hardware right? No offense but it would be stupid to compare two completely different OS that utalize different hardware. IOS is fast in the iPhone 5 because it was made to be fast on iPhone 5. Not because the hardware is fast. Its called optimization. Which iOS is for THAT hardware.
Just my two cents.
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same boring os and look as the last 5 yrs
no nfc(even though i dont care about it im sure some do)
no wireless charging
weird looking skinny screen
headphone jack on the bottom(wtf were they thinking)
constantly being scared to upgrade os cuz of waiting on jailbreak
battery life sucks
yea id say once again apple made a phone that is already behind everything else
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Umm, OP, you do realize that the OS are different and demand different things from its hardware right? No offense but it would be stupid to compare two completely different OS that utalize different hardware. IOS is fast in the iPhone 5 because it was made to be fast on iPhone 5. Not because the hardware is fast. Its called optimization. Which iOS is for THAT hardware.
Just my two cents.
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the iphone only seems fast cuz the hardware never does any work. the apps do all the work themselves. its just the way everything is coded. considering all that i still dont understand why the battery life always sucks.
I went to the apple store today as the nerd me and i family are and i waged a double double from in n out on my s3 being faster opening apps and on laodong web pages... and infront of 4 customers and 3 employees my phone won every single test on the apple store wifi network... i can say in real world uses im happy with my purchase. And my double double was delish.
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I went to the apple store today as the nerd me and i family are and i waged a double double from in n out on my s3 being faster opening apps and on laodong web pages... and infront of 4 customers and 3 employees my phone won every single test on the apple store wifi network... i can say in real world uses im happy with my purchase. And my double double was delish.
im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
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what did the customers and apple geniuses have to say?
Hey guys.
See this- http://m.gsmarena.com/texas_instruments_backtracks_from_smartphones_goodbye_omap-news-4861.php
So no more OMAP chip!!!!
I wonder what next nexus will have than ??
It was developer friendly..
Let see what happens.
Good day.
This news should bring a tear to every androids mechanical eye
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Very interesting, I wander if Google will go with the Tegra chip (Same chip used in the Nexus 7) for their upcoming Nexus phone, and if this will effect the release date of the next Nexus phone.
Bummer! Was hoping to check out the 5xxx chipset.
I remember posting this rumor a few months back, sad to see it actually occur as their chips are great.
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Hmm. Ti was very friendly to the open source community. Qualcomm has their own drivers and is somewhat anti open source. The more alternatives to qualcomm chips the better.
Google showed us how great these processors are! They were the underdog of the mobile space ( and probably why we can get unlocked Nexus for $350). It was great at resource management, too - although it's hard to tell with LTE.
Open source processors are going away and that's not good. Hope this works out for TI
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Sigh. People should read. Omap is going away for tablets and smartphones. TI doesnt have anything for radios thus their chips cost more to pair with a modem and use more battery going that route.
On another note if TI drops smartphone and tablet SOC's who else uses imagination technologies GPU's. Very much looking forward to Rogue.
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This sucks next nexus should have Exynos with A15 instead of tegra 3 or S4 Architecture that would be a beast and it would have great battery life
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Although this is really sad, you guys should relax a little, this isn't the sudden deathblow for OMAP SoCs. TI didn't actually even say that it won't build SoCs anymore, it talked about "shifting its focus", thus reducing resources that go into chip development (Quote from article: "Anyway, TI will continue to support its current clients, but will significantly reduce efforts on developing new OMAP chipsets"). I agree this could mean the end of open source mobile chips from TI in the long term (technology is by all means a fast moving business), but right now it's more of a "slowing down". I just expect less new OMAP models in the next years.
And think about it, OMAP5 (5430/5432) development did progress way too far to reduce resources just now, I think this'll rather affect the OMAP5's successor. I'm absolutely sure we'll see the OMAP5 monsters in upcoming devices. TI spent too much money on that SoC to not release it now.
So there's still a lot of hope for the upcoming Nexus to have a open source SoC!
Jasonhunterx said:
This sucks next nexus should have Exynos with A15 instead of tegra 3 or S4 Architecture that would be a beast and it would have great battery life
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Why no S4 architecture? If it is a S4 Pro of course Did you see those benchmarks? They crush everything on the market and will also stay very competitive in the next time.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-optimus-g-benchmarks-arrive-make-quad-core-competitions-blush/
http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-optimus-gs-adreno-320-gpu-benchmarked-rivals-get-served/
Notice that Nenamark 2 score:
The 60fps result at NenaMark 2 might suggest that there’s not much difference between the Optimus G and other quad-cores, but there’s actually more to that score. NenaMark 2 renders on-screen, which means that 60.0 fps is the highest possible result that a smartphone can get.
So the fact that the LG Optimus G got a perfect score suggests that it has more in reserve than its rivals – it was able to maintain the maximum framerate through the most intensive parts of the test, whereas others failed to do so.
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We'll have to see about battery life though, but a 28nm chip with integrated 4G radio should do very well there as well.
Maybe Google already got a contract for omap5 and that will be the last one for mobile devices?
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We already knew the next Nexus was going to have a Tegra 3 + LTE.
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Jasonhunterx said:
This sucks next nexus should have Exynos with A15 instead of tegra 3 or S4 Architecture that would be a beast and it would have great battery life
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Devs hate Exynos, check this: http://codeworkx.de/wordpress/2012/09/23/having-a-look-at-my-magical-orb/
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Devs hate Exynos, check this: http://codeworkx.de/wordpress/2012/09/23/having-a-look-at-my-magical-orb/
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He never said he hates it he just said that its not being properly supported and that he will stick with exynos 4 galaxy S2
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He never said he hates it he just said that its not being properly supported and that he will stick with exynos 4 galaxy S2
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He does hate, I have a SGS2 and he always blamed Sammy and all that crap, some users used to call him the "angry german boy". The true is that CM9 never was fully functional in the Exynos version...
As I said, OMAP 5 is by no means affected by TI's focus shift:
http://www.gsmarena.com/clarification_ti_not_giving_up_on_its_chipsets_omap_5_on_track-news-4866.php
TI will also continue its efforts in developing the OMAP chipsets and the fifth generation, the one with Cortex-A15 cores, is on track - it's sampling today and the first consumer products it will power are expected in early 2013.
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I'm not really a fan of the Tegra chips, especially with NVidia's open source support being so awful.
Maybe Google will create their own super-awesome-Android-optimized chip? Maybe? We can dream..
But surely in the future some manufacturer will come out of the works with chips to match the OMAP's.
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Well at least they are exploring and expanding their R&D into other industries or what not. Good business move if they see their market share diminishing and looking to innovate in other areas. Thanks for sharing the story with us.
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Sigh. People should read. Omap is going away for tablets and smartphones. TI doesnt have anything for radios thus their chips cost more to pair with a modem and use more battery going that route.
On another note if TI drops smartphone and tablet SOC's who else uses imagination technologies GPU's. Very much looking forward to Rogue.
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Well Intel's latest Atom uses the PowerVR SGX545, next nexus might have an Intel processor
The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.
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The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak from their support rep, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...
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I am sure that I will never buy a vendor`s device again.
For sure I am not going to stay long in this device.
I didnt stay long to get ICS on my Galaxy s ; JB on Galaxy s 2; and for sure I dont hope to get and want to wait JB 4.2.2 on our s3.
March 14 is near and so htc one is on way.
Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?
gypsy214 said:
Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?
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If you live in an area with refarmed 1900 to support HSPA, you will get spotty at best HSPA coverage and EDGE the rest of the time. The I-9300 doesn't support AWS so you will have reduced coverage (AWS is both voice and data and some places T-Mobile has 1700 licenses but no 1900 licenses so you wouldn't have a signal at all).
I would just get an S IV. Chances are it will cost you the same as getting an internation S III anyway.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
A large number of people found 4.1.1 to be extremely buggy and poorly optimized, that doesn't exactly reflect well on them as far their effort spent supporting American customers either.
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I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
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Sounds a lot like what I said up above...
"Originally Posted by EtherealRemnant
Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series..."
Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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daxecutioner24 said:
Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.
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The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.
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Yeah that's what I thought, I don't think that battery voltage 2600 is high enough for the processor and everything else. With the s3 we were suppose to have the "weaker" chip yet when you compared it to the quad core the speed was almost identical. Except if you start doing test and all that which that doesn't matter a whole lot. It's all about how fast can I go from point a to point b and back to the beginning, so I imagine it might be about the same this time around. I won't be upgrading so I could care less lol
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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The hardware fragmentation in the Galaxy S4 line means that the current disparity in features and support is more than likely going to be perpetuated with their newer models, its unfortunate.
I'm also not sure why its remotely necessary when every single version of the Galaxy Note II uses an Exynos chip.
EtherealRemnant said:
The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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I like your thinking, you look you know about all these stuff. Always interested in processors and all this stuff willing to learn. I agree like I said earlier from any other phone than the s3 people would love the s4, but the fact that it looks exactly just like this one turns some s3 users down too. They are asking us to pay "Premium" again honestly very impatient move, don't know why they are rushing for a new release. It's about 8 or 9 months, the s3 fair pretty good against the s3 even though it was out months earlier than the iPhone 5. I think they could of release this phone in the summer closer to the iPhone 6 because now when the 6th comes out the s4 would be deemed "old" by a lot of people that want everything new.
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At the same time they probably wanted a few months by themselves with virtually no competition to get a lot of sales, I think you can't compare the s4 to the 5 it'd really unfair so right now the galaxy is the leader till the 6 can challenge it
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I'm a little pissed were getting the weaker processor in the US. Especially in the terms of gpu disparity... Kinda weak Samsung did not impress me this time around if I can afford it I'll go international, otherwise there's a good chance I'm looking to the xperia z or HTC one. Screw HTC as far as development but despite Samsung usually being far better I'm not impressed with the new one. I like the idea of the front dual speakers on the HTC one. And build is pretty nice. Phone hardware is nice enough that it runs beautifully on touch wiz or HTC Sense and i can use whatever launcher avail so I'm not concerned about cm and such. And I love the screen on this but not comfortable using something larger than even the current note so I probably won't go that route. I guess we'll see.
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I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.
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I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.
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The international version will but we simply don't have the horsepower on the Snapdragon dual core to utilize those features. Remember that the S3 international uses a quad core Exynos chip, not a dual-core Snapdragon.
They will find a way to utilize it.
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They will find a way to utilize it.
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they can find a way to, but chances are, they won't. unfortunately for us...