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2ed galaxy s on sprint?

All other big carriers for the U.S got or is going to get a second galaxys phone but there is no news on one for sprint. Verizon=continuum. T-mobile=nexus s. AT&T=infuse. What about sprint?
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gtuansdiamm said:
All other big carriers for the U.S got or is going to get a second galaxys phone but there is no news on one for sprint. Verizon=mesmerize. T-mobile=nexus s. AT&T=infuse. What about sprint?
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i think sprint has something else up its sleeve besides the evo shift

I doubt it, sprints slow to the punch when it comes to nw phones.
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I thought so too.so does any body have any rumors? This is probably the reason the galaxy s phones have such have bad support, they were prototypes of the real deal maybe I think kinda probably most likely. But since specs of the infuse have already come out I'm expecting the epic 2(I'm calling it that until a confirmed name us found) to have way better specs
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It would be dumb to launch another Samsung hummingbird phone at this point. Tegra 2 is clearly where the future is in Android phones and tablets, and the 40 million amazing super phones being unveiled at CES right now are evidence of this.

muyoso said:
It would be dumb to launch another Samsung hummingbird phone at this point. Tegra 2 is clearly where the future is in Android phones and tablets, and the 40 million amazing super phones being unveiled at CES right now are evidence of this.
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Well they're launching the infuse aren't they
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It seems like all the awesome high powered phones are going to at&t and verizon. What the hell? Why is sprint so slow with the new phones? I mean the EVO shift 4g, come on. Piece of crap. They seem to be more geared on releasing mid grade crap than getting some high end stuff out there. I just looked over engadget about some of the phones at CES and didn't see anything new being released from sprint. Did I miss anything? Did anyone else see any new high end phones coming to sprint?

gtuansdiamm said:
All other big carriers for the U.S got or is going to get a second galaxys phone but there is no news on one for sprint. Verizon=mesmerize. T-mobile=nexus s. AT&T=infuse. What about sprint?
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isnt mezmerize the usc varient of the galaxy S aka a fascinate renamed..
to be fair Verizon will have 3 galaxy s phones...Fascinate, Continuum, the 4g phone
and knowing sprint they wont release another top tier phone after the shift for at least 3 month >.>

Oh my bad I just keep on getting the names mixed up. Nice catch
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muyoso said:
It would be dumb to launch another Samsung hummingbird phone at this point. Tegra 2 is clearly where the future is in Android phones and tablets, and the 40 million amazing super phones being unveiled at CES right now are evidence of this.
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This is just a continuation of Google working with different hardware manufacturers with each version of Android. HTC/Qualcom snapdragon with Nexus One and Froyo, Samsung hummingbird with Nexus S and Gingerbread, and now NVidia Tegra 2 with Honeycomb. The dual-core hummingbird can easily go toe to toe with the Tegra 2. It just wasn't Google's partner for this current iteration of android development.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/support/brochures/downloads/systemlsi/Orion.pdf
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3901/going-out-of-order-samsung-announces-orion-cortex-a9-soc

Aneirin said:
This is just a continuation of Google working with different hardware manufacturers with each version of Android. HTC/Qualcom snapdragon with Nexus One and Froyo, Samsung hummingbird with Nexus S and Gingerbread, and now NVidia Tegra 2 with Honeycomb. The dual-core hummingbird can easily go toe to toe with the Tegra 2. It just wasn't Google's partner for this current iteration of android development.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/support/brochures/downloads/systemlsi/Orion.pdf
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3901/going-out-of-order-samsung-announces-orion-cortex-a9-soc
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Well who knows if the orion gets used at all especially after this
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/19/samsung-nabs-tegra-2-for-galaxy-tab-2-google-makes-tegra-the-ho/

Yea, I dont know what Orion is capable of, but I am pretty damn sure that Tegra 2 is awesome as hell from what I have seen.

That only shows that the Tab will be using the Tegra 2...for the cellphone they may go with Orion for it..
If I remember correctly the Orion is 32nm..while Tegra 2 is 40nm..so the Orion should be more energy efficient then and a better choice for cellphones...

If the Blackberry Playbook is using the Orion, then I am impressed. There is no indication that it IS using the Orion, but it could be. Until I see an Orion processor do what a Tegra 2 can do, I will be rooting for the Tegra 2 to come to Sprint.

muyoso said:
If the Blackberry Playbook is using the Orion, then I am impressed. There is no indication that it IS using the Orion, but it could be. Until I see an Orion processor do what a Tegra 2 can do, I will be rooting for the Tegra 2 to come to Sprint.
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The Orion has an ARM Mali GPU is the rumor..
According to Samsung it dishes out 267Mtri/s & 1.6Gpix/s..which seems pretty good to me :/

gTen said:
The Orion has an ARM Mali GPU is the rumor..
According to Samsung it dishes out 267Mtri/s & 1.6Gpix/s..which seems pretty good to me :/
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We're gonna need benchmarks of real world applications like games to verify this. Triangles and gigapixels is not representative often real world performance.

sauron0101 said:
We're gonna need benchmarks of real world applications like games to verify this. Triangles and gigapixels is not representative often real world performance.
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We don't even have a real world performance of the Tegra 2 chip..so far only real performance we got was on 1 core and we don't even know if it was optimized or not or anything for the matter...while it may not be an indication that the Orion is better then the Tegra 2..its a good enough indication to say its at least on par...

gTen said:
We don't even have a real world performance of the Tegra 2 chip..so far only real performance we got was on 1 core and we don't even know if it was optimized or not or anything for the matter...while it may not be an indication that the Orion is better then the Tegra 2..its a good enough indication to say its at least on par...
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On the contrary:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4054/first-look-viewsonic-gtablet-and-tegra-2-performance-preview/2
GPU performance is not that impressive compared to the Hummingbird, but CPU is.

sauron0101 said:
On the contrary:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4054/first-look-viewsonic-gtablet-and-tegra-2-performance-preview/2
GPU performance is not that impressive compared to the Hummingbird, but CPU is.
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The CPU scores are expected because its a Cortex A9..any Cortex A9 will always be better then a Cortex A8..still those scores are not optimizing the Hummingbird 100% and probably not optimizing the Tegra 2 either..and is using a single core..
Each CPU in the Tegra 2 also has its own GPU so you can estimate 1.6-2x the scores its getting now minimum

I think sprints next big thing will be windows 7 phones.

TMobile Galaxy S II - Different Proc???

One of these phones is not like the others, one of these phones just doesn't belong...
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/08/t-mobile-didnt-show-galaxy-s-ii-device-because-of-processor-changes/
So, is anyone else a bit concerned about the rumor that the TMo Galaxy II processor differs from the Sprint/AT&T versions? Aren't kernels build and optimized to a specific processor?
Any of you Vibrant owners with a unique GPS chip ready to plunk down a whole bunch of cash on a brand new phone and wait for Samsung/TMobile to develop and release a special version of Android each time there's a newer version released by the mothership?
...just curious.

I'll buy it...
Then sell it and use the money towards a nexus 3 purchase. Not messing with t mobile-Samsung tag team of rape like this vibrant. The development will be fairly small and most of the Ports of roms probably won't happen because the phone is so different from the international version that normally gets regular updates. Or I might try the next best thing from HTC at least they upgrade their phones even through t mobile
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Nah I'm not worried, maybe it will be 1.5ghz like the original rumors, maybe not the Exynos but a guaranteed dual.core beast. .. and it would meen access to T-Mobile fastest speeds and that's cool..
Honestly people whining about updates are just dumb, when we got froyo many devices didn't have it yet, and many devices now do not have gingerbread .. we may or may not get an "official " release but its not like we don't have functional Gingerbread now and that's something not all devices can say even on XDA ..

PJcastaldo said:
Nah I'm not worried, maybe it will be 1.5ghz like the original rumors, maybe not the Exynos but a guaranteed dual.core beast. .. and it would meen access to T-Mobile fastest speeds and that's cool..
Honestly people whining about updates are just dumb, when we got froyo many devices didn't have it yet, and many devices now do not have gingerbread .. we may or may not get an "official " release but its not like we don't have functional Gingerbread now and that's something not all devices can say even on XDA ..
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True but you forget just how long it's taken for these GB builds to lose most of their bugs. I love my Sensation because it's the same identical phone that's used all around the world so if one of them gets a new OS update it will work flawlessly. If this Hercules is not like the others then I'd bet anything that the dev community will be very thin (even thinner than the vibrant community). Phones these days are only as good as the chefs that cook for them. Just something to think about. Instead of having the same GS2 all around the world every carrier gets a slightly modified version making it a pain in the ass to flash roms between them all.

i will not buy it if it has a qualcomm instead of exynos.

This is interesting!
Kies Air: Samsung’s Kies software has been used in the past to update Samsung phones since before Android, but it got abandoned slightly for the Over The Air promises made with Android. When a device doesn’t get an update in a timely manner, the blame machine gets pointed in every which direction with incredible delays sometimes. By removing the carrier from the equation, Samsung has opted to use their own software solution to update their devices. This could possibly be a move by Samsung towards the update alliance proposed by Google at this year’s IO, but what it will do for sure is remove one less person to blame.
Here's the link to the whole article:
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/what-makes-the-galaxy-s2-worth-it-in-the-us-20110831/

funeralthirst said:
i will not buy it if it has a qualcomm instead of exynos.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4707/usa-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-variants-announced

PJcastaldo said:
Nah I'm not worried, maybe it will be 1.5ghz like the original rumors, maybe not the Exynos but a guaranteed dual.core beast. .. and it would meen access to T-Mobile fastest speeds and that's cool..
Honestly people whining about updates are just dumb, when we got froyo many devices didn't have it yet, and many devices now do not have gingerbread .. we may or may not get an "official " release but its not like we don't have functional Gingerbread now and that's something not all devices can say even on XDA ..
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1) You would rather have a device that has download capable throughput that is higher then you will get in almost every instance from a server you are requesting data from for a fraction of the time you use the device compared a significantly stronger CPU that you will be using every time you use the phone? Add to the throttling that TMobile does and that seems like a huge sacrifice.
2) Rom support aside, the point is the Vibrant was handicapped from the beginning and was never what it could have been. GB Roms are far from perfect in every instance. Yes they are functional, but no where close to what they could have been or would be with source code. There are devices far newer then ours that shipped with Froyo and received GB. The Vibrant was a Flagship device.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4707/usa-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-variants-announced
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no new info, it's still the same speculation.

its not gonna have a snapdragon! it will be qualcom
Coming to its processing power,the Hercules is said to be powered by Qualcomm APQ8060 chip which is a dual-core chip clocked in at 1.5GHZ.Google’s upcoming Nexus 4G also called as Samsung Nexus Prime and iPhone 5 all will be using this same processor.

movieaddict said:
its not gonna have a snapdragon! it will be qualcom
Coming to its processing power,the Hercules is said to be powered by Qualcomm APQ8060 chip which is a dual-core chip clocked in at 1.5GHZ.Google’s upcoming Nexus 4G also called as Samsung Nexus Prime and iPhone 5 all will be using this same processor.
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qualcomm makes snapdragon, so even if its not labeled as such, its essentially the same thing...certainly different from exynos and tegra

movieaddict said:
its not gonna have a snapdragon! it will be qualcom
Coming to its processing power,the Hercules is said to be powered by Qualcomm APQ8060 chip which is a dual-core chip clocked in at 1.5GHZ.Google’s upcoming Nexus 4G also called as Samsung Nexus Prime and iPhone 5 all will be using this same processor.
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The apq8060 is a snapdragon s3 chip dude. Look at theQualcomm website
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I had hopes for this phone but qualcomm really sucks the phones just feel like a overclocked single core Exynos feels like dual core would have preferred tegra if not Exynos but well see how phone performs
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yep, the instant I saw that this is coming with a snapdragon instead of the exynos is the instant I decided to wait for the Droid Prime.
I prefer the Hummingbird, and I prefer the Exynos. It's not the I dislike the Snapdragon, but I certainly believe the Exynos is superior for my needs than either the Tegra 2 or the Snapdragon.

if we get the other processore its basicly a samsung version of sensation with bigger screen and touch wiz faster internet?

movieaddict said:
its not gonna have a snapdragon! it will be qualcom
Coming to its processing power,the Hercules is said to be powered by Qualcomm APQ8060 chip which is a dual-core chip clocked in at 1.5GHZ.Google’s upcoming Nexus 4G also called as Samsung Nexus Prime and iPhone 5 all will be using this same processor.
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It's the same CPU that's in a Touchpad, and it's similar to the one that's in the Sensation. It's still a snapdragon dude.

Get the international version of galaxy s2. You problem will go away. I believe international version works on T-Mobile network too.
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jackhuny said:
Get the international version of galaxy s2. You problem will go away. I believe international version works on T-Mobile network too.
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No, international version works only with ATT 3G.

hotadef said:
if we get the other processore its basicly a samsung version of sensation with bigger screen and touch wiz faster internet?
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bigger and much better screen. But otherwise, yes basically.

Well this snap dragon processor is going to suck. battery wise and long wait no speed boast. i mean 1.2 maybe 1.5 and it wont be to bad. the way i see it is i dont need faster internet when my browser is still slow. only way to speed the browser up is faster cpu and gpu or better optimization. since android is on tons of different setup that leaves us with only one option cpu and gpu need to be better. give me samsung processor thank you

[Q] Few Questions About The Processor

Since it's release date on October 10, I've been debating on whether or not I should get this over the Amaze 4g and after 4 days, I decided that the galaxy s 2 is the best choice for me. Now after watching some videos of the original galaxy s 2, I want to know what things were left out in terms of processing power. All I know is that it uses the snapdragon s3 processor which runs on an a8 cortex as opposed to the a9 in the exynos processor. I know that speed is one of the things that the exynos has over snapdragon and also the fact that it's asynchronous as opposed to qualcomm running one core at a time (correct me if I'm wrong here, not savy on processors). The biggest things I know I will use on this phone is Internet, photos, media, and some gaming here and there. On YouTube I saw the original galaxy s 2 capable of running an N64 emulator with virtually no lag, though I don't know if sound was included, and the same goes for the psx emulator. I also saw how it was able to play multiple video formats (including 1080p mkv files) with no issues whatsoever. I want to know if the snapdragon processor would still be capable of running emulators at similar speeds and still have support for multiple video formats even though it's not as fast as the exynos processor. Help is definitely appreciated.
P.S. This was typed on an iPod so sorry if there are any typos and grammar mistakes.

The Qualcomm chip is asynchronous.
Right now, I don't know how much Samsung did to fine-tune the system to accommodate the hardware differences....but like you said, the Qualcomm chip is A8 and the Exynos is A9.
That speaks for itself.

PoisonWolf said:
The Qualcomm chip is asynchronous.
Right now, I don't know how much Samsung did to fine-tune the system to accommodate the hardware differences....but like you said, the Qualcomm chip is A8 and the Exynos is A9.
That speaks for itself.
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I have no idea in the difference care to enlighten me or post a link?
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Mudkip said:
I have no idea in the difference care to enlighten me or post a link?
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Essentially, the Qualcomm chip is running on an older architecture relative to the Exynos, which is typically why the Exynos outperforms the Qualcomm even at lower clockspeeds. I'm guessing T-Mobile needed the SGS2 to be on par with with its siblings thus the higher clockspeeds (1.5ghz) to accommodate the older architecture.
The iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S if I'm not mistaken are also running chips that are based on the A9 architectures.
There is a difference when using the original SGS2 with the T-Mobile version...but it's not too drastic. What the CPU makes up in lack of speed, the big screen more than makes up for it.

I'm quite new to this forum, therefore I can't post external links yet. However, perform a google search for "How Samsung's chip change-up affects the T-Mobile Galaxy S II" the first link is an interesting article.

The normal clockspeed for this processor is 1.5GHz

kosnarf said:
I'm quite new to this forum, therefore I can't post external links yet. However, perform a google search for "How Samsung's chip change-up affects the T-Mobile Galaxy S II" the first link is an interesting article.
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What I took away from that article is that they went Snapdragon in order to use another modem chip to be able to do 42Mbps. The sacrifice is graphics performance.
Hmm, it plays my HD movie great. Not sure I will ever play a first person shooter on it...

heygrl said:
The normal clockspeed for this processor is 1.5GHz
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i was about to point out the same
the Qualcomm CPU stock speed is 1.5 Ghz, the same CPU on HTC Sense was actually under clocked to 1.2 Ghz
so the new HTC Amaze is using the CPU at is normal speed like on our phone

toy4x4 said:
What I took away from that article is that they went Snapdragon in order to use another modem chip to be able to do 42Mbps. The sacrifice is graphics performance.
Hmm, it plays my HD movie great. Not sure I will ever play a first person shooter on it...
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It also sacrifices general OS performance, at least in its current state. Looks like Samsung did no optimization on this guy for the qcom SoC. As it currently stands, I find it more laggy than my (admittedly) highly optimized Epic (single core). Hopefully things will improve with devs, etc.

I had the original and was using it on att gophone,
and sold it to get this. I needed to be on a contract and Tmobile was my only option so I got this
User interface was faster and smoother, apps opened and closed in the blink of an eye
games also ran with no lag whatsoever
Screen is bigger, no hardware buttons, and faster data is a plus for me
Tmobile is very spotty in my area tho
Sometimes I feel like I should have stayed
This phone has been behaving differently
The user interface is nearly as smooth and some of my favorite games lag
(Dragon fly, modern combat 2)
Still a great phone but these 2 Arras are disappointing for me
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Krooked22 said:
I had the original stay.
User interface was faster and smoother, apps opened and closed in the blink of an eye
games also ran with no lag whatsoever
This phone has been behaving differently
The user interface is nearly as smooth and some of my favorite games lag
(Dragon fly, modern combat 2)
Still a great phone but these 2 Arras are disappointing for me
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To be clear, gaming performance will never be as good on this platform. The GPU is severely weaker than the exynos models. What remains to be seen is if the rest of the OS can be optimized though.

ap77 said:
To be clear, gaming performance will never be as good on this platform. The GPU is severely weaker than the exynos models. What remains to be seen is if the rest of the OS can be optimized though.
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The OS definitely can be a little more optimized for this processor. This phone isn't a slouch though.
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OuncE718 said:
The OS definitely can be a little more optimized for this processor. This phone isn't a slouch though.
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It is a slouch relatively speaking, to the people who forked out full retail for this phone.
I might get this phone, if and only if, FULL hardware acceleration is not announced on the Prime, even then, I shall hunt it for free via retentions.

PoisonWolf said:
It is a slouch relatively speaking, to the people who forked out full retail for this phone.
I might get this phone, if and only if, FULL hardware acceleration is not announced on the Prime, even then, I shall hunt it for free via retentions.
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I am one of the people who forked out full retail. I can take a picture of my receipt to prove. We nit pick at every single phone that comes out. Trust me when I say this phone isn't a slouch. Yes it stutters once in a blue, but its fast and pretty smooth. All we need is an official update from Samsung to fix the issue or get a few custom roms. I've owned literally every smartphone that came out for T-Mobile this year and the previous years and I can honestly say this happens to be the fastest, even with the slight stutter it gets every now and then. It's just a slight software issue. I believe that this processor is capable of getting the job done.
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this is my third phone this year and im done .nothing to complain about if i start worrying about milliseconds then i would never buy another phone again because the galaxy s3 will be a few milliseconds faster than this one and so on and on. i made a promise to myself that im done till the end of nex year

tigerz0202 said:
this is my third phone this year and im done .nothing to complain about if i start worrying about milliseconds then i would never buy another phone again because the galaxy s3 will be a few milliseconds faster than this one and so on and on. i made a promise to myself that im done till the end of nex year
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Lol. I don't think your done. I think we all say this same thing. I bet I'll probably see you over at the Nexus Prime forum. I really love this phone and would like to say I'm done for the year too, but I think what makes some of us go for the next best thing is A. its the next best thing and B. we realize that our dev community gets smaller whenever the next best thing comes out so we want to be back in the loop of things. I'M JUST A PHONE SLUT!
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OuncE718 said:
II've owned literally every smartphone that came out for T-Mobile this year and the previous years and I can honestly say this happens to be the fastest, even with the slight stutter it gets every now and then. It's just a slight software issue. I believe that this processor is capable of getting the job done.
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I also paid full retail (pending Prime announcement), but I can tell you that my highly optimized Epic is smoother than this phone is right now in day-to-day use. Now, hopefully that means that there is a lot of room for improvement as this chip is theoretically faster and dual-core, but it is an open question of whether that promise will be realized.

ap77 said:
I also paid full retail (pending Prime announcement), but I can tell you that my highly optimized Epic is smoother than this phone is right now in day-to-day use. Now, hopefully that means that there is a lot of room for improvement as this chip is theoretically faster and dual-core, but it is an open question of whether that promise will be realized.
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We will be rewarded by both Samsung and the devs soon.
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OuncE718 said:
Lol. I don't think your done. I think we all say this same thing. I bet I'll probably see you over at the Nexus Prime forum. I really love this phone and would like to say I'm done for the year too, but I think what makes some of us go for the next best thing is A. its the next best thing and B. we realize that our dev community gets smaller whenever the next best thing comes out so we want to be back in the loop of things. I'M JUST A PHONE SLUT!
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This ^

This processor is the same one used in the now defunct HP touchpad. People have successfully overclocked their touchpads to 1.7ghz with minimal to no additional drain on battery but a noticeable speed boost. I imagine our phones will react much the same way

I contacted Samsung directly about the Premium Suite update.

The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.

ergonomicz said:
The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak from their support rep, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.

SeaFractor said:
I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...

EtherealRemnant said:
Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...
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I am sure that I will never buy a vendor`s device again.

For sure I am not going to stay long in this device.
I didnt stay long to get ICS on my Galaxy s ; JB on Galaxy s 2; and for sure I dont hope to get and want to wait JB 4.2.2 on our s3.
March 14 is near and so htc one is on way.

Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?

gypsy214 said:
Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?
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If you live in an area with refarmed 1900 to support HSPA, you will get spotty at best HSPA coverage and EDGE the rest of the time. The I-9300 doesn't support AWS so you will have reduced coverage (AWS is both voice and data and some places T-Mobile has 1700 licenses but no 1900 licenses so you wouldn't have a signal at all).
I would just get an S IV. Chances are it will cost you the same as getting an internation S III anyway.

SeaFractor said:
I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
A large number of people found 4.1.1 to be extremely buggy and poorly optimized, that doesn't exactly reflect well on them as far their effort spent supporting American customers either.

ergonomicz said:
I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
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Sounds a lot like what I said up above...
"Originally Posted by EtherealRemnant
Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series..."

Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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daxecutioner24 said:
Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.

EtherealRemnant said:
The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.
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Yeah that's what I thought, I don't think that battery voltage 2600 is high enough for the processor and everything else. With the s3 we were suppose to have the "weaker" chip yet when you compared it to the quad core the speed was almost identical. Except if you start doing test and all that which that doesn't matter a whole lot. It's all about how fast can I go from point a to point b and back to the beginning, so I imagine it might be about the same this time around. I won't be upgrading so I could care less lol
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.

EtherealRemnant said:
The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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The hardware fragmentation in the Galaxy S4 line means that the current disparity in features and support is more than likely going to be perpetuated with their newer models, its unfortunate.
I'm also not sure why its remotely necessary when every single version of the Galaxy Note II uses an Exynos chip.

EtherealRemnant said:
The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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I like your thinking, you look you know about all these stuff. Always interested in processors and all this stuff willing to learn. I agree like I said earlier from any other phone than the s3 people would love the s4, but the fact that it looks exactly just like this one turns some s3 users down too. They are asking us to pay "Premium" again honestly very impatient move, don't know why they are rushing for a new release. It's about 8 or 9 months, the s3 fair pretty good against the s3 even though it was out months earlier than the iPhone 5. I think they could of release this phone in the summer closer to the iPhone 6 because now when the 6th comes out the s4 would be deemed "old" by a lot of people that want everything new.
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At the same time they probably wanted a few months by themselves with virtually no competition to get a lot of sales, I think you can't compare the s4 to the 5 it'd really unfair so right now the galaxy is the leader till the 6 can challenge it
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I'm a little pissed were getting the weaker processor in the US. Especially in the terms of gpu disparity... Kinda weak Samsung did not impress me this time around if I can afford it I'll go international, otherwise there's a good chance I'm looking to the xperia z or HTC one. Screw HTC as far as development but despite Samsung usually being far better I'm not impressed with the new one. I like the idea of the front dual speakers on the HTC one. And build is pretty nice. Phone hardware is nice enough that it runs beautifully on touch wiz or HTC Sense and i can use whatever launcher avail so I'm not concerned about cm and such. And I love the screen on this but not comfortable using something larger than even the current note so I probably won't go that route. I guess we'll see.
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I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.

nviz22 said:
I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.
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The international version will but we simply don't have the horsepower on the Snapdragon dual core to utilize those features. Remember that the S3 international uses a quad core Exynos chip, not a dual-core Snapdragon.

They will find a way to utilize it.

nviz22 said:
They will find a way to utilize it.
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they can find a way to, but chances are, they won't. unfortunately for us...

64 bit chip in iPhone

So we all know the a7 chip on the iPhone is the best on the market right now
What does this mean tho can I play run escape or world of Warcraft on my iPhone of I get it?

it means it can handle 64 bit applications that are written for the phone. thats all.

no. it means nothing to you as an end user.
it's 64 bit, but not x86_64 which is what you're getting confused with.

I think benchmarks (I know I know) have shown that the newer socs like the Snapdragon 800 and the Exynos in the Note 3 are in the same league as the A7, and in some cases best it. So...it was the best on the market for what, a week?
As for 64 bit, no, it does not mean you can install "desktop class applications" on your iPhone (they deliberately tried to confuse people with using that exact wording). It's still a chip using ARM architecture, so only apps designed for the iPhone will work. Basically it's a marketing point more than anything. Remember when PC's switched to 64 bit and the only thing it really did that the average consumer noticed was allowed for 4+ GB of Ram? (Oh, and being able to see grass farther away in Far Cry..which wasn't really a 32bit limitation but more of a "Crap, we gotta show these people SOMETHING!") Yeah, it's pretty much the same here. In other words, you wouldn't know it if they didn't tell you.

It doesn't mean what you think it means, but there's no doubt that Apple has the smartest chip engineers on the planet. There's no real benefit to the end user right now, but the iPhone 5S should keep chugging away for a long time.
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plznote said:
It doesn't mean what you think it means, but there's no doubt that Apple has the smartest chip engineers on the planet. There's no real benefit to the end user right now, but the iPhone 5S should keep chugging away for a long time.
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Samsung make the chips for iPhone an apple, so Samsung must be the smartest chip makers not apple.
Samsung are already working on the A8 chip so iPhone 5s will be outdated pretty soon already , A8 chip will probably hit the next iPad first as early as late this year then iPhone 6 next year, the A7 chip has been around for over a year since the last iPad its just been enhanced an updated for iPhone 5s.

fux0r99 said:
Samsung make the chips for iPhone an apple, so Samsung must be the smartest chip makers not apple.
Samsung are already working on the A8 chip so iPhone 5s will be outdated pretty soon already , A8 chip will probably hit the next iPad first as early as late this year then iPhone 6 next year, the A7 chip has been around for over a year since the last iPad its just been enhanced for iPhone 5s.
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You need a little fact check on that one... Samsung manufactures them. Not designs them.

I don't see where he said Samsung designs them lol....
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x.v_ said:
You need a little fact check on that one... Samsung manufactures them. Not designs them.
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I said made them not design, you need a little reading check on that one .... lol

x.v_ said:
You need a little fact check on that one... Samsung manufactures them. Not designs them.
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Arm designed the architecture and powervr made the gpu. The amount of research these companies did plus the research Samsung had to do to get a fab that produces 28nm chips is literally 100 times as much of what apple has done regarding tweaks. Armv8 was already in the pipeline before the a7.
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I dnt know i just did a google search now their saying the iPhone 6 will have A9 quadcore chip, theres no mention of A8 anymore.

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