Alright, as we all saw in the last couple of days we got a new CM10 jb rom with minor fixable bugs. It's a step forward for our willy , but there's been a question bothering me and i hope most of you aswell: what are the actual highs and lows between a CM10 rom and especialy a CM7 JB styled rom (jellybread in our case) and also between CM10 and CM9 roms.
The actual question is: is it worth keeping CM10 as a daily rom with most of it's lags/delays knowing that there is something else to it than the simple "yo samsung user, i got CM10 on my willy too" ? Or we can use the CM7 jb styled or CM9 wich looks as good as the CM10 does but without the lagfest, the minor bugs (wich are not such a pain in the behind because the way i see it they should be fixed in about 1 week or so tops), and the excruciating pain I experienced when i was going through my settings, not changing anything, and it took my willy a good 6-8 seconds to show me the caller id after the ringtone started when my buddy called me.
Debate please and feel free to criticize my knowledge because i preety much started to dig deeper into android and willy since 1-2 weeks ago.
A really good question!
See there isnt much difference in terms of look between CM10 and jelly bean styled cm7 Roms.
There are a few good things about actual jelly bean like expanded/expandable notifications,better support for proxy connections etc.(We can get those kind of notifications in CMX as well )
Since,we dont have a gpu on our device,special features of ICS/JB like full hardware acceleration,butter project are pretty much useless for us.
Android has evolved to a great extent and has become much richer from times.Compare the looks of stock cm7 and now cm10,there's a huge difference.But its a good idea to have those rich looks with old speed and stability,without sacrificing a lot.
So if you ask me,I'll say cm7 roms will always win in the context of wildfire.You aren't sacrificing much being on gingerbread.
Yeah that's very true
CM9/CM10 are stable but somehow can't be bug free
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I try many cm9 roms, all is good but our Willy lacks of Gpu support, and also some bugs can't be fixed. CM7 is the best for stability and performance, and also with all mods you can have any style you want (CM9-10 style, MUIU, etc).
My vote goes to CM7 based JB style roms!
(and sory for my bad English).
Yes that is true. Cm7 jb are best bet for our Willy. Can anybody remember that HTC never released any update for our wildfire based on 2.3 version. But it is due to cm based rom and the efforts of all the developers that we are still holding our Willy with us in the modernized android world where i think processing powers are touching new heights. As @Wasimk32 said we don't have a gpu so hardware acceleration lag is pretty much going to haunt us. So i personally thank all the people who work for wildfire to breathe life into it.
And to @klyon too for keeping 2.2 rempuzzle alive which still make me feel what had HTC forget to make froyo on wildfire a complete rom. But i am thankful to them all this lead to revolution for our wildfire.
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Since a lot of stuff is still wonky/glitchy, and the ICS ports are still not perfect.
Is the point of getting ICS just to say you have it?
Or are there certain advantages to running ICS that I am not aware of?
I am on ILWT btw.
Why run ILWT?
Biggest reason I run it is because the UI to me is THAT much better than GB or anything else I've used. The ROMs are stable enough, fast enough, and include all the features I need to get by day to day.
This sounds more of a troll post, but meh.
I've been running ICS since Andromadus alpha 1, and as a DD since alpha 4. Yes there have been several glitches (alpha 5 was unusable) and several things broken such as the camera, but running an alpha or beta build is what produces the feedback and usage stats the devs need to make a great RC. It also kicks the OEM's in the tail to release drivers and possibly new roms for our devices if the devs AND users can illustrate a need. Aside from that, ICS can renew an aging device with new functionality and refined looks. I've rediscovered my own aging device, and for the first time started to realize its capabilities as a real, almost tablet-like, computing device and not just an alarm clock or a way for telemarketers and my wife to bug me.
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It is not a troll post. I am running ILWT because it is stable, fast, and the battery life is great.
If I am not going to use the stock ICS ui, then should I even bother switching to ICS?
Like, I have a custom Go Launcher theme that is pretty damn sick, and I never use the stock apps for anything except stock market...
convolution said:
It is not a troll post. I am running ILWT because it is stable, fast, and the battery life is great.
If I am not going to use the stock ICS ui, then should I even bother switching to ICS?
Like, I have a custom Go Launcher theme that is pretty damn sick, and I never use the stock apps for anything except stock market...
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I must say the ICS Roms are much smoother than any other rom I've ever used and I've had a single hot reboot since first DD worthy release. Battery isn't remarkable but that is cause they haven't been optimized yet, stabilize then optimize. In your case I might wait more for optimized, but hey! Nandroid, wipe, install and try it a bit, you may just fall in love !
That is sound advice, noneabove.
Yes, I do believe the best thing to do at this point is for me to stfu and try it.
ICS ROMS are great. The best reason in my opinion is for developing/ testing purposes. They are smooth and stable.
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i flash every update to test it but its a looong way from me using it.
not as stable, not as funtionable, not as good batterylife and right now, not the same performance.
so i use ILWT for same reasons as you until the ICS roms are atleast as good.
i figure that there are enough people reporting bugs anyway, they dont need me.
atm im using cm7.2 on everyday basis but i do like to test other/newer roms to see if they might got some additional functionality i could need..
like actualy usb host mode what doesnt seem to work on cm7.. ive read it should work from ics on so im happy projects like virtuousrom exist to im able to try
ICS will come to your phones, and the WFSDev Team would like to know which
ICS ROMs you are going to us or which you want for your WFS.
Let us know it
Ps. You can select more if you want
Erm, this is probably a stupid question, but by this statement, do you mean that ICS is coming to our phones via Cyanogenmod, or are we getting an official upgrade to ICS? I saw someone's post about our phones not receiving any more upgrades in the future and this kind of confuses me :S
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Erm, this is probably a stupid question, but by this statement, do you mean that ICS is coming to our phones via Cyanogenmod, or are we getting an official upgrade to ICS? I saw someone's post about our phones not receiving any more upgrades in the future and this kind of confuses me :S
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Its no stupid question. We will get it from modpunk cm9. Google say that we could update your phone, but htc wont update it. Mabey with luck but i dont think so.
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is the ics roms like cm9 and miui v4 coming within the next few weeks or so?
Sense till Gingerbread looked great but it's just crappy on ICS........ even HTC thinks Sense 4.0 is too much bloated...
I m waiting for miui ics eagerly. Bcz basic ics is not more attractive than miui..and lack of miui rom we cant use miui .mdz(themes) files which have so many option for look change...but it seems 1.4.5 is crappy till now for daily use..so i m chekng evry time for progress...i thnk more devs shoud work together for it for fast updates...thnx for this thread.
I also expect for sense 3.0 rom...i thnk it is far away till nowww...no 1 dev seems to b interested in it till nw.
Sorry for poor english
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I will use MIUI. I think.
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CM9 ovbiously
obviously sense4 by benjamin!
thelegbra said:
obviously sense4 by benjamin!
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LOL, I wrote on IRC chat that he will port it
I'd use CM9 if it does away with the slightly choppy graphics of CM7. I've always been a fan of Cyanogenmod but I can't stand the laggy graphics, so I'm currently using a Sense ROM. However, the 'old' Sense is integrated with our devices and works more smoothly as a result (in my opinion, at least), but Sense 4.0 isn't, so I'm expecting the same choppiness outside of games. And another thing - if CM9 is stock ICS, then it will have those software buttons that would just take up what little screen space we have, am I right? MIUI, on the other hand, I've never liked. It looks like a bloaty cross between iOS and TouchWiz to me and I find both CM and Sense far superior to it.
So, to round it off, I'd use CM9 if it isn't choppier than Sense 4.0 and has no software buttons, since it offers more than Sense 4.0 (I prefer the old Sense, honestly), even if Sense does add a lot of polish to the bare ICS.
Until the two come together, which one would you pick for now and why?
I would say viper because it's highly customizable. I have used cm10. It's preety damn fast but you can always install a custom kernel ( faux or nix) to make it buttery smooth.
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I used cm10 for a few weeks to test it out, but then realised how much I missed sense's superior camera and sound (with mods of course). Also, sense is what makes the phone unique. Hard choice.
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Have to agree with above posts, the Jellybean roms run super smooth and quick, and look nice etc, but the camera is basic.
So if you don't use your camera i would say go with a JB rom, but if you like the features of the Sense camera then stick with Viper for now.
Any sense based rom I quite rely on sense for its camera, better email client, Facebook integration, widgets, and such.
I've tried the jelly bean roms and miui but always come break to sense.
It depends on your usage and such try them both out and find which you prefer to use.
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Tried 4.1 for few days, but had to come back to sense. This makes HTC phones unique and there are so many features that lack in CM roms. Also, Viper is so highly custoimzable and smooth you will not regret not having 4.1 at all.
I was in rd miui jelly bean for two days and was great, using stock kernel but I think it needs a custom kernel for better battery.
Viperx is amazing. But Now I m on ordroidx, I dont know tomorrow. Love flashing and modding.
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I used Ice Cold Jelly and stick to it since then ^^
I love the stock android feeling since ICS and Jellybean just makes it even better.
I asked myself the same question many times, the pro's for viper being the fact it could be modded to have the least possible sense (which I just find annoying, there is too much of everything...) the battery life and te camera.
But I stay on ICJ, it has great support from both the kernel dev (ncx) and LordClockan which is allways helping. You can't theme Sense suc perfectly back to stock as stock allready is, the AOKP toggles are just awesome for me and having a Nexus 7 I am not having two different panoramas.
Thanks to the ncx kernel it's fast and stable but also with minimal battery drain.
I would tell you to try both, and stick with the one you prefer.
Another point I keep in mind is that I will never again buy from HTC (the S-ON fact and sense of course) So stock is the best way to have the most chances to keep your references... (that's why I searched stock, coming from a Galaxy Nexus).
Good luck !
Said it before, Footballs maximus rom owns. It just works. I used to jump around Ice Cold and allsorts on DHD, always trying to find the perfect rom... i really have nothing to fix on this. Stock kernel too. it just works. Admittedly, some games are VERY slightly juddery, but I have a Nexus 7 too, so I game much less on the One X now. I tried Viper..... Really wasnt for me. Its like the non-bloat version of bloat.....
yes,the same by me,i like to test rom but mydaily rom is the great viper;its fast shure,Viper is so highly custoimzable and smooth you will not regret not having 4.1 at all.maby one day it comes the version from htc with sense4.? and JellyBean,i love sense sinse i have had this touch diamond2,over the touch hd and the wonderful desire.
Its like religion or ähh politic ore somethink i dont know
Jellybean or Renovate or ARHD....simple as that mate...and if you like to customize then go with MIUI
@ edge3uk
Its like the non-bloat version of bloat.....
thats silly,blödsinn,quatsch,man you boring or what?
For me ..Domination ROM is the best..but battery not good as Sense ROMs and other ROMs
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I used CM10 for few weeks but like few before me have mentioned, battery life is not that great and camera is really awful, so now I'm back on Viper X. JB is nice, smoother and quicker, but for me personally that marginal performance difference is not worth sacrificing battery, camera or stability (and then there are few other nifty little features of sense that I like , such as beats audio profiles, FM radio, weather and clock animations etc).
Hello!
Since i rooted my HTC Desire (~1 year) I've been using MIUI Marange (formerly MIUI_AU) but it became really slow and unstable for me. I was searching around roms, but this is too much to handle for me as I'm not a pro
Please can you recommend me a:
-stylish
-stable
-atleast andorid 4.0
-A2SD
-if sense then 4.0, too
if my details are impossibe, say it then i can lower my standards
(and no Cyanogenmod please. I don't like it)
Geli12 said:
Hello!
Since i rooted my HTC Desire (~1 year) I've been using MIUI Marange (formerly MIUI_AU) but it became really slow and unstable for me. I was searching around roms, but this is too much to handle for me as I'm not a pro
Please can you recommend me a:
-stylish
-stable
-atleast andorid 4.0
-A2SD
-if sense then 4.0, too
if my details are impossibe, say it then i can lower my standards
(and no Cyanogenmod please. I don't like it)
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First and foremost are you CDMA or GSM...There is loads of AWESOME development for GSM, not quite as much for CDMA but still good
Also check out this for a reference:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809328
Stylish- hard to say, all depends on preference, any of them really...
Stable- oxygeN http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1743584
Atleast 4.0- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1484648
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1973427
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813745 :good:
A2SD- Most now...just look through that reference link...
I agree about CyanogenMod...Awesome devs, but feels a little sluggish on the bravo...
Best all around Rom *drumroll*
OXYGEN ZM, by FAR! :victory: :good:
Most stable by far, fastest by light years, no bugs known! (And it doesn't look half bad with ADW or something of the sorts)
This is my personal experience, I have flashed all the roms listed above, and this is solely my opinion
PS: Lots of ROMS are great when overclocked, but to me draining your battery to no limit, just to make a ROM a little smoother is not how it should be...neat tool, but shouldn't be a necessity to live with a ROM
Read this bro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2024141
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Ok, generally speaking, AospX is WAY faster than any JB 4.1-4.2.2 AOSP/AOKP ROM I have ever tried.
Any reasonal explanation for this?
Because with every successive iteration of Android, it gets farther away from the software for which the hardware was optimized.
That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.
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That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.
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My guess is, JB utilizes hardware resources more efficiently. If the hardware capability just isn't there, there is nothing to optimize. Also, with every iteration, reverse-engineering closed-source drivers and making them compatible gets tougher as Android moves farther away from stock.
And comparing a Nexus, which is designed to be upgraded with AOSP for its lifetime, to an HTC, which is designed to be upgraded with Sense once (maybe twice), isn't really fair.
Ultimately, who cares. The faster the better. I've just tried Nikills after using Sabsa Prime - all I can say is wow. It's like using a new phone with modern h/w.
As above, JB isn't exactly designed to run on our hardware. Heck ICS wasn't either.. Its all about the complexity of the OS. You won't run Windows 8 smoothly on a PC that can, just about, handle Windows 7)
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I have only run one custom ROM so far. I went from stock 2.3.5 sense 3 which I used for a week or so..... I was impressed enough with the stock performance that the first day I decided this would be my first android phone to leave stock for any amount of time. Battery issues caused me to root and install cm10.1 m3. Turns out the battery is shot anyways nothing to do with either ROM. Cm10.1 runs on average just as fast as stock GB did and it has been just as stable.
So in this case I think stock GB ROM has enough stuff that no performance drop is felt going to cm10.
If I went cm7 I'm sure it would be a lot faster but it's fast enough as it is so I won't give up this ROM for a bit more speed.
Scrolling seems to be 100% smooth 99% of the time, the only lag is like a couple seconds to open an app especially when I have several running.
My nexus one which I loved was not even close to this perfect on any jb ROMs I tried on it. I went back to cm7. The desire HD is way faster.
I haven't tried any other ROMs on this phone and in trying to get rid of my flashing obsession. I probably won't try any more for a while. I hope.
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Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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mustavalkosta's cm 10.1 nightlie builds are MUCH faster on my dhd than the stock GB rom.
Android jb faster. Fact is that it need some time for the developers to make it stable port to jb. They have make kernel according to it port each and every file according to desire hd. And no one can deny that still after more than a year no ics is complete stable as stock gb Rom.
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GuyInTheCorner said:
Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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Your statement is right, from my experience JB is smoother, but ICS is faster (faster opening apps).
But comparison to Nik's ROM is simply not fair as it's a Sense4 ROM which is obviously slower / more stuttering than any other ICS AOSP.
That makes sense to me. I think iv can deal with the extra tiny bit of time opening apps cause I like how smooth the scrolling is.
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