Ok, generally speaking, AospX is WAY faster than any JB 4.1-4.2.2 AOSP/AOKP ROM I have ever tried.
Any reasonal explanation for this?
Because with every successive iteration of Android, it gets farther away from the software for which the hardware was optimized.
That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.
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That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.
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My guess is, JB utilizes hardware resources more efficiently. If the hardware capability just isn't there, there is nothing to optimize. Also, with every iteration, reverse-engineering closed-source drivers and making them compatible gets tougher as Android moves farther away from stock.
And comparing a Nexus, which is designed to be upgraded with AOSP for its lifetime, to an HTC, which is designed to be upgraded with Sense once (maybe twice), isn't really fair.
Ultimately, who cares. The faster the better. I've just tried Nikills after using Sabsa Prime - all I can say is wow. It's like using a new phone with modern h/w.
As above, JB isn't exactly designed to run on our hardware. Heck ICS wasn't either.. Its all about the complexity of the OS. You won't run Windows 8 smoothly on a PC that can, just about, handle Windows 7)
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I have only run one custom ROM so far. I went from stock 2.3.5 sense 3 which I used for a week or so..... I was impressed enough with the stock performance that the first day I decided this would be my first android phone to leave stock for any amount of time. Battery issues caused me to root and install cm10.1 m3. Turns out the battery is shot anyways nothing to do with either ROM. Cm10.1 runs on average just as fast as stock GB did and it has been just as stable.
So in this case I think stock GB ROM has enough stuff that no performance drop is felt going to cm10.
If I went cm7 I'm sure it would be a lot faster but it's fast enough as it is so I won't give up this ROM for a bit more speed.
Scrolling seems to be 100% smooth 99% of the time, the only lag is like a couple seconds to open an app especially when I have several running.
My nexus one which I loved was not even close to this perfect on any jb ROMs I tried on it. I went back to cm7. The desire HD is way faster.
I haven't tried any other ROMs on this phone and in trying to get rid of my flashing obsession. I probably won't try any more for a while. I hope.
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Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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mustavalkosta's cm 10.1 nightlie builds are MUCH faster on my dhd than the stock GB rom.
Android jb faster. Fact is that it need some time for the developers to make it stable port to jb. They have make kernel according to it port each and every file according to desire hd. And no one can deny that still after more than a year no ics is complete stable as stock gb Rom.
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Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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Your statement is right, from my experience JB is smoother, but ICS is faster (faster opening apps).
But comparison to Nik's ROM is simply not fair as it's a Sense4 ROM which is obviously slower / more stuttering than any other ICS AOSP.
That makes sense to me. I think iv can deal with the extra tiny bit of time opening apps cause I like how smooth the scrolling is.
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Hi friends,
I wonder what we will get with ICS. I think it will let us to have much more free ram at startup. Maybe smoother than virtuous affinity... So more what? I've read it would be more useful than sense based roms. I really can't wait to have an ICS rom which is really smooth; but i don't know why and for what i wait
Why would it give us more free RAM ? Surely it will be less, e.g. hardware acceleration uses more RAM.
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Why would it give us more free RAM ? Surely it will be less, e.g. hardware acceleration uses more RAM.
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in my opinion, base android roms (no sense) don't use much ram. somebody said we will not need sense with ICS. So it won't use much ram. as i said, these are my opinions... BTW doesn't sense based roms have hardware acceleration? is there any ram usage difference between gingerbread and ICS roms?
ICS is the newest operating system for android, which is definately alot to look forward to (eg. gingerbread made froyo absolete). But you're comparing it to a sense rom, which is a completely different thing. I think the best way for you to learn what you want to know is to google it.
yes but icsi with sense is impossible in G2 because have poor ram for this dual
I have found this page http://chromloop.com/2011/11/ice-cream-sandwich-first-boot-on-motorola-defy-aosp/
It says ics uses about the same ram with gingerbread. So it should be possible to have ics rom with sense. But i don't think that i need it, i only want ics based cyanogen 9. Thus it will be fast i though. Am i wrong?
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Well you can play around with the ICS port that's still in the works. You'll get a general idea of new things to come. I can't wait till we have a nice, fully functional rom. Don't think I'd even want anything from sense after that
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i've been playing with the ics port rom ever since the alpha version. so far it's the greatest. can't imagine (wait) what it will feel after a stable release
Have they implemented Hardware accelerated UI in the Desire S port?
It seems rather slow.
Of course it's in beta, so it's all cool and I don't expect a port to perform well in the long run either way. But I'm just curious since "3D acceleration" is kinda vague. Is it only for game apps and some fancy effects?
As far as I know hardware acceleration is fully working on the desire s port. I'm pretty sure, that most performance issues are simply due to the fact that it is a beta port of ics from another device.
Once we have a fully working aosp build or cm9, performance should be as good as expected.
I think you can get a good impression of ics without hw acceleration by trying out v 0.1 from andromadus, which redefines slow.
Ah I see. Thanks.
Since a lot of stuff is still wonky/glitchy, and the ICS ports are still not perfect.
Is the point of getting ICS just to say you have it?
Or are there certain advantages to running ICS that I am not aware of?
I am on ILWT btw.
Why run ILWT?
Biggest reason I run it is because the UI to me is THAT much better than GB or anything else I've used. The ROMs are stable enough, fast enough, and include all the features I need to get by day to day.
This sounds more of a troll post, but meh.
I've been running ICS since Andromadus alpha 1, and as a DD since alpha 4. Yes there have been several glitches (alpha 5 was unusable) and several things broken such as the camera, but running an alpha or beta build is what produces the feedback and usage stats the devs need to make a great RC. It also kicks the OEM's in the tail to release drivers and possibly new roms for our devices if the devs AND users can illustrate a need. Aside from that, ICS can renew an aging device with new functionality and refined looks. I've rediscovered my own aging device, and for the first time started to realize its capabilities as a real, almost tablet-like, computing device and not just an alarm clock or a way for telemarketers and my wife to bug me.
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It is not a troll post. I am running ILWT because it is stable, fast, and the battery life is great.
If I am not going to use the stock ICS ui, then should I even bother switching to ICS?
Like, I have a custom Go Launcher theme that is pretty damn sick, and I never use the stock apps for anything except stock market...
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It is not a troll post. I am running ILWT because it is stable, fast, and the battery life is great.
If I am not going to use the stock ICS ui, then should I even bother switching to ICS?
Like, I have a custom Go Launcher theme that is pretty damn sick, and I never use the stock apps for anything except stock market...
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I must say the ICS Roms are much smoother than any other rom I've ever used and I've had a single hot reboot since first DD worthy release. Battery isn't remarkable but that is cause they haven't been optimized yet, stabilize then optimize. In your case I might wait more for optimized, but hey! Nandroid, wipe, install and try it a bit, you may just fall in love !
That is sound advice, noneabove.
Yes, I do believe the best thing to do at this point is for me to stfu and try it.
ICS ROMS are great. The best reason in my opinion is for developing/ testing purposes. They are smooth and stable.
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i flash every update to test it but its a looong way from me using it.
not as stable, not as funtionable, not as good batterylife and right now, not the same performance.
so i use ILWT for same reasons as you until the ICS roms are atleast as good.
i figure that there are enough people reporting bugs anyway, they dont need me.
atm im using cm7.2 on everyday basis but i do like to test other/newer roms to see if they might got some additional functionality i could need..
like actualy usb host mode what doesnt seem to work on cm7.. ive read it should work from ics on so im happy projects like virtuousrom exist to im able to try
I know, typical question, but I haven't been keeping up with roms much for the past year or so. I have an old rooted HTC Desire and I thought I might as well give it some life. My primary concern is speed as the title suggests, I'm looking for the rom that gives the smoothest and snappiest experience possible, that is, the least amount of lag and highest frame rate that one can possibly squeeze out of the device, don't care what version of android it is and what features does it have, as long as it's crazy fast and stable enough to be a daily driver. What I should I be looking into? Cyanogen? Oxygen? some jelly bean rom?
Flashing a rom, partitioning the sd card, customizing it and install all the esential apps takes time, so I would rather do this once instead of trying a few roms and see what sticks, hence the question. Thanks in advance
I would say CM10 is the fastest out there for your Desire. I may not have an actual Desire but the phone I have, the HTC One V is almost identical specs wise to your desire and CM10 blows any ROM I've seen out of the water. Their Trebuchet launcher works hand in hand with project butter and even with my phone's ageing Adreno 205, it is much smoother than my friend's Galaxy S3 running Jellybean Touch wiz.
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I know, typical question, but I haven't been keeping up with roms much for the past year or so. I have an old rooted HTC Desire and I thought I might as well give it some life. My primary concern is speed as the title suggests, I'm looking for the rom that gives the smoothest and snappiest experience possible, that is, the least amount of lag and highest frame rate that one can possibly squeeze out of the device, don't care what version of android it is and what features does it have, as long as it's crazy fast and stable enough to be a daily driver. What I should I be looking into? Cyanogen? Oxygen? some jelly bean rom?
Flashing a rom, partitioning the sd card, customizing it and install all the esential apps takes time, so I would rather do this once instead of trying a few roms and see what sticks, hence the question. Thanks in advance
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Mildwild 8 is pretty good based on cyanogenmod it's fast stable runs smooth everything works, I've been using this for a while never had any problems, I've tried alot of other roms jb ics but I always come back to this as a daily driver :thumbup:
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I would say CM10 is the fastest out there for your Desire. I may not have an actual Desire but the phone I have, the HTC One V is almost identical specs wise to your desire and CM10 blows any ROM I've seen out of the water. Their Trebuchet launcher works hand in hand with project butter and even with my phone's ageing Adreno 205, it is much smoother than my friend's Galaxy S3 running Jellybean Touch wiz.
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Well, HTC one v isn't the desire. Cm10 kind of sucks on the desire in terms of speed.
Any GB based ROM should be running smooth and snappy. My personal favorite is Cool Droid V3.
I am using Nikez JB 4.2.2. in my signature. Does the job fine for me!
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Hi,
I used Mildwild 5.0 during more than 1 year, and all was smooth, fast, and stable.
Only problem i had was sometimes loosing data when battery low. (ok after reboot but a bit annoying).
Now testing 4.0.4 from Marius.a, quite satisfying even if it's only in English or Chinese (quite smooth), main functions work (a few bugs sometimes but nothing really bad).
The thing is it's the only 4.x with camera recording working fine, and i need this so...
Regards
Alright, as we all saw in the last couple of days we got a new CM10 jb rom with minor fixable bugs. It's a step forward for our willy , but there's been a question bothering me and i hope most of you aswell: what are the actual highs and lows between a CM10 rom and especialy a CM7 JB styled rom (jellybread in our case) and also between CM10 and CM9 roms.
The actual question is: is it worth keeping CM10 as a daily rom with most of it's lags/delays knowing that there is something else to it than the simple "yo samsung user, i got CM10 on my willy too" ? Or we can use the CM7 jb styled or CM9 wich looks as good as the CM10 does but without the lagfest, the minor bugs (wich are not such a pain in the behind because the way i see it they should be fixed in about 1 week or so tops), and the excruciating pain I experienced when i was going through my settings, not changing anything, and it took my willy a good 6-8 seconds to show me the caller id after the ringtone started when my buddy called me.
Debate please and feel free to criticize my knowledge because i preety much started to dig deeper into android and willy since 1-2 weeks ago.
A really good question!
See there isnt much difference in terms of look between CM10 and jelly bean styled cm7 Roms.
There are a few good things about actual jelly bean like expanded/expandable notifications,better support for proxy connections etc.(We can get those kind of notifications in CMX as well )
Since,we dont have a gpu on our device,special features of ICS/JB like full hardware acceleration,butter project are pretty much useless for us.
Android has evolved to a great extent and has become much richer from times.Compare the looks of stock cm7 and now cm10,there's a huge difference.But its a good idea to have those rich looks with old speed and stability,without sacrificing a lot.
So if you ask me,I'll say cm7 roms will always win in the context of wildfire.You aren't sacrificing much being on gingerbread.
Yeah that's very true
CM9/CM10 are stable but somehow can't be bug free
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I try many cm9 roms, all is good but our Willy lacks of Gpu support, and also some bugs can't be fixed. CM7 is the best for stability and performance, and also with all mods you can have any style you want (CM9-10 style, MUIU, etc).
My vote goes to CM7 based JB style roms!
(and sory for my bad English).
Yes that is true. Cm7 jb are best bet for our Willy. Can anybody remember that HTC never released any update for our wildfire based on 2.3 version. But it is due to cm based rom and the efforts of all the developers that we are still holding our Willy with us in the modernized android world where i think processing powers are touching new heights. As @Wasimk32 said we don't have a gpu so hardware acceleration lag is pretty much going to haunt us. So i personally thank all the people who work for wildfire to breathe life into it.
And to @klyon too for keeping 2.2 rempuzzle alive which still make me feel what had HTC forget to make froyo on wildfire a complete rom. But i am thankful to them all this lead to revolution for our wildfire.
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I'm not sure if this is something that happens to a lot of you Nozomi users, but I can always ask for advice.
I skip from custom ROM from time to time just to know what my options are, either experimental or close-to-stock. And quite frankly it is bugging me, that my ROMs always feel sluggish, even when others say it should be quick or smooth.
I just want to have the smoothest, most stable, least sluggish ROM out there (I tend to demand a lot), and it should stay just that. Not that it's blazing fast to begin with, and decreases in speed in a matter of days.
Also, cleanest way to install said ROM? I want to rule out all possible factors.
I hope you can help me along with this,
rc_enzo
Almost all stock roms will eventualy slow down
All them error codes just gather up
Clearing your cache and dalvik fixes some of it
Also stock based roms will always be sluggish, it seems all stock kernels have a entropy issue
There are tonnes of other reason
If you want a smooth and stable rom, i dont necicarily recomend my rom, each device is slightly different, these nano diferences have a bigger effect
Just try out different roms till youn find one you like
If not that unlock your bootloader and install cm10 or aosp
Letamas aosp is about one of the quickest but its buggy and FXP cm10 is great in performance and feels great
BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW TO REPERCUSSIONS OF UNLOCKING YOUR BOOTLOADER
(Although unlocked bootloader = freedom)
If you need anything just ask, i didnt cover everything surrounding your point and question
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I know how stuff works, trust me.
Unlocked my bootloader pretty much the instant I got the phone, and I've run a great number already. I guess FXP works great, but I've read the weekly updates don't add that much anymore...
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I know how stuff works, trust me.
Unlocked my bootloader pretty much the instant I got the phone, and I've run a great number already. I guess FXP works great, but I've read the weekly updates don't add that much anymore...
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Hmmm...
You could try miui?
Or maybe the 4.4 project (once started and finished)
Letamas 4.3 is i think the faststest running rom on xperia s but there are some openGL issues which makes gaming a no no
And kitkat 4.4 is designed for devices with 512mb of ram, xperia s has 1gb but some for hardware and gpu as we know
I suggest either using letamas 4.3 (few not working things)
Or waiting for a 4.4 build
Im not to sure about opensemc, i dont realy remember not to sure about some others too
Conclusion:
Stock = always slugish
CM10-11 = Good but some builds are buggy
AOSP - amazing but buggy and no fully working builds ive seen yet
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I'll give letama's a shot then, and we'll see about KitKat. I have a hunch that we will be getting one fairly soon.
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I'll give letama's a shot then, and we'll see about KitKat. I have a hunch that we will be getting one fairly soon.
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RaymanFX i think he said he got it to boot already but he is a super dev like letama
Me and some other people are trying to get Official CM11 (4.4) for xperia s, (petitions blah blah blah)
Me and some other devs are working on AOSP 4.4
So you should see alot of 4.4
Also - read through the bug list of letamas 4.3 build and also notice there are some graphics bugs but everything else is fine as far as i remember
Using letamas 4.3 then going back to stock, stock felt like very slow
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I'm not sure if this is something that happens to a lot of you Nozomi users, but I can always ask for advice.
I skip from custom ROM from time to time just to know what my options are, either experimental or close-to-stock. And quite frankly it is bugging me, that my ROMs always feel sluggish, even when others say it should be quick or smooth.
I just want to have the smoothest, most stable, least sluggish ROM out there (I tend to demand a lot), and it should stay just that. Not that it's blazing fast to begin with, and decreases in speed in a matter of days.
Also, cleanest way to install said ROM? I want to rule out all possible factors.
I hope you can help me along with this,
rc_enzo
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You can always make a clean install.. Wiping everything, format everything and then flash.. That's the best way to avoid any sort of problems in any ROM.. As Envious_Data said, there are lots of advantages of unlocking the bootloader.. And btw if you are going with Stock based ROM, i would suggest u try eXistenZ Ultra and Trintity ROM first and when it comes to AOSP/CM ROMs you can try letama's AOSP 4.3 or RaymanFX's CM10.2 alpha3.. I am currently on CM10.2.. Its very smooth and fluid for an alpha.. I am getting better battery backup too.. Although i have to sacrifice 1080p recording for now, but the ROM is definitely a daily driver.. Go ahead and choose to flash any ROM.. Welcome to Xperia S section..
No offence guys, but I'm not new at the Xperia S, have had the device since november last year, running ROMs since early january.
Thanks for the advice anyway.
I've got the same, my phone runs smooth right after flashing the ROM, but then... I don't know, maybe its because of the way we use our phones?
I have compared my XS to my friends XS - his was very smooth and mine - you know. I have unlocked bootloader to make GTA III run smoothly.
And now - I just got used to this, but I hate my phone
Running letama's 4.3 AOSP, and @Envious_Data thanks for the suggestion, it feels truly rapid and it looks like it will do fine for me. That games and 1080p recording don't work properly, is no burden for me anyway.
Good luck on your developing endeavours, I hope 4.4 progress is good
(this is for future reference)
the Reason why our phones on the stock roms is the same reason why windows slows down
error codes build up and one way to fix half of it is to wipe your cache, (one advantage of apple IOS, does not generate error codes and thus can last a straight 2 months of constant running)
AOSP /CM10/11 are much cleaner then stock and will take alot more time to slow down, and the same goes with Stock ICS, it will slow down a bit but no more then that
GB was about the best, it was perfectly coded , no errors
JB was coded by Sony DEV team B and team B is the ones to F***ed up almost everything they have touched
although Xperia Z run almost the exact same firmware as xperia s it got messed up when they ported it
its why i discontinued my rom, i couldent fix alot of the errors that my self and sony had caused