Hi friends,
I wonder what we will get with ICS. I think it will let us to have much more free ram at startup. Maybe smoother than virtuous affinity... So more what? I've read it would be more useful than sense based roms. I really can't wait to have an ICS rom which is really smooth; but i don't know why and for what i wait
Why would it give us more free RAM ? Surely it will be less, e.g. hardware acceleration uses more RAM.
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Why would it give us more free RAM ? Surely it will be less, e.g. hardware acceleration uses more RAM.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
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in my opinion, base android roms (no sense) don't use much ram. somebody said we will not need sense with ICS. So it won't use much ram. as i said, these are my opinions... BTW doesn't sense based roms have hardware acceleration? is there any ram usage difference between gingerbread and ICS roms?
ICS is the newest operating system for android, which is definately alot to look forward to (eg. gingerbread made froyo absolete). But you're comparing it to a sense rom, which is a completely different thing. I think the best way for you to learn what you want to know is to google it.
yes but icsi with sense is impossible in G2 because have poor ram for this dual
I have found this page http://chromloop.com/2011/11/ice-cream-sandwich-first-boot-on-motorola-defy-aosp/
It says ics uses about the same ram with gingerbread. So it should be possible to have ics rom with sense. But i don't think that i need it, i only want ics based cyanogen 9. Thus it will be fast i though. Am i wrong?
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Well you can play around with the ICS port that's still in the works. You'll get a general idea of new things to come. I can't wait till we have a nice, fully functional rom. Don't think I'd even want anything from sense after that
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i've been playing with the ics port rom ever since the alpha version. so far it's the greatest. can't imagine (wait) what it will feel after a stable release
Have they implemented Hardware accelerated UI in the Desire S port?
It seems rather slow.
Of course it's in beta, so it's all cool and I don't expect a port to perform well in the long run either way. But I'm just curious since "3D acceleration" is kinda vague. Is it only for game apps and some fancy effects?
As far as I know hardware acceleration is fully working on the desire s port. I'm pretty sure, that most performance issues are simply due to the fact that it is a beta port of ics from another device.
Once we have a fully working aosp build or cm9, performance should be as good as expected.
I think you can get a good impression of ics without hw acceleration by trying out v 0.1 from andromadus, which redefines slow.
Ah I see. Thanks.
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Since HTC have revealed the HTC One V for Q2 of this year. Do you reckon some devs will be able to port the RUU over to the HTC Desire?
If you don't know what it is; it can be found here: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...bile-phones/hands-on-htc-one-v-review-1066217
It states it has a single core 1Ghz CPU and sense 4.0 on top of ICS. Do you think this could be run smoothly on our two year old Desire's once HWA is fully fixed?
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It states it has a single core 1Ghz CPU and sense 4.0 on top of ICS. Do you think this could be run smoothly on our two year old Desire's once HWA is fully fixed?
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a) even if it has 1GHz single core cpu, it for sure is not one from 2008
b) Sense 3.5 doesn't work smoothly, so mine (possibly broken) logic says that it probably won't.
c) I for one couldn't care less if it gets ported or not. I know that software version is one part of the coin, where no number of updates will change the fact what Desire fundamentally is - a two year old with archaic architecture.
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I doubt it'll get fixed.
As above, even though its a 1ghz processor, the desires technology is now outdated. Its possible we may get some sense 4.0 with ICS but who knows.
Will just have to wait and see what we get
If hwa is delt with I'm sure we might get sense 4.0 but won't let my hopes go up just yet. Although One V has a newer cpu/gpu so do Sensation/Evo3D/Amaze which run sense 3.0/5 (custom) much like I run it on my desire. There's not that much multitasking in comparison but it's running stable and very, very fast. Comparable to the best sense 1/2.0 roms out here. And it seems that sense 4.0 is lighter on ram since V has just 512mb compared with desires 576. My 2c.
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Comparable to the best sense 1/2.0 roms out here.
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Blasphemy '-.-
erklat said:
Blasphemy '-.-
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Try it, then reply.
Everyone is entitled to their own oppinion anyway.
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Try it, then reply.
Everyone is entitled to their own oppinion anyway.
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Well, there's "smooth" and and there's "sense 3.5 smooth". I've tried most 3.0+ roms but I don't think that people here truly understand what smooth is. I was one of those people. Then I tried oxygen (Mildwild's version to be precise) and it utterly ruined sense for me. I just can't go back.
Although I do miss sense from time to time
Wasn't talking about aosp, miui or cm7. Imho, sense will never be as fast. But that's not the topic of this thread anyway.
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I thought AceS 3D port of Sense 3.0 was smooth - but then I went to ICS 0.3.x beta's and was amazed how quick and responsive it was even as a beta.
I do like Sense a lot- especially the camera and people apps but it's days are numbered where ICS is concerned... still wouldn't want to go to stock Gingerbread to be honest but it's probably heaps smoother still
AceS smooth?
It was very, very slow and huge in ram.
I wasn't able to open tweet deck when playing music!
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If aosp roms I've only tried mildwild and my current sense rom is at least as fast, if not faster... Not bragging or something. It's an objective opinion. I was really disappointed, since everyone here seems to think otherwise.
One V uses a S2 CPU. The Desire has a S1.
Although, interestingly, the V has slightly less RAM than the Desire.
If ROMs get ported, I don't think there will be RAM issues, but there will be a lot of lag issues etc.
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I tried reading this topic, but after I got to erklat's post I was hit by an epiphany: None of this matters to me, Sense sucks.
bortak said:
Sense sucks.
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Why exactly? Sense is the best thing that happened to android.
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Why exactly? Sense is the best thing that happened to android.
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FTFY
ICS is the best thing that happened to android
Htc said that Sense 4 is lighter than 3.5 + we have One V with 512 Ram so i think it's possible to port and to work smoothly.
"From the original Sense up to Sense 3.5 we added too many things. The original concept was that it had to be simple and it had to be easy to use and we had that philosophy, but over time it got cluttered," Kodera said.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44715/htc-sense-got-too-complicated
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Htc said that Sense 4 is lighter than 3.5 + we have One V with 512 Ram so i think it's possible to port and to work smoothly.
"From the original Sense up to Sense 3.5 we added too many things. The original concept was that it had to be simple and it had to be easy to use and we had that philosophy, but over time it got cluttered," Kodera said.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44715/htc-sense-got-too-complicated
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True, but what about internal memory?
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FTFY
ICS is the best thing that happened to android
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Could not agree more.
I'm all up for this an am infact waiting for this to be ported over to the desire. This new Sense sounds like it'll be less on an issue to run on our devices than Sense 3 and 3.5. Plus I'm looking forward to Android 4 on a Sense phone.
Hopefully this starts happening soon!
ICS will come to your phones, and the WFSDev Team would like to know which
ICS ROMs you are going to us or which you want for your WFS.
Let us know it
Ps. You can select more if you want
Erm, this is probably a stupid question, but by this statement, do you mean that ICS is coming to our phones via Cyanogenmod, or are we getting an official upgrade to ICS? I saw someone's post about our phones not receiving any more upgrades in the future and this kind of confuses me :S
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Erm, this is probably a stupid question, but by this statement, do you mean that ICS is coming to our phones via Cyanogenmod, or are we getting an official upgrade to ICS? I saw someone's post about our phones not receiving any more upgrades in the future and this kind of confuses me :S
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Its no stupid question. We will get it from modpunk cm9. Google say that we could update your phone, but htc wont update it. Mabey with luck but i dont think so.
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is the ics roms like cm9 and miui v4 coming within the next few weeks or so?
Sense till Gingerbread looked great but it's just crappy on ICS........ even HTC thinks Sense 4.0 is too much bloated...
I m waiting for miui ics eagerly. Bcz basic ics is not more attractive than miui..and lack of miui rom we cant use miui .mdz(themes) files which have so many option for look change...but it seems 1.4.5 is crappy till now for daily use..so i m chekng evry time for progress...i thnk more devs shoud work together for it for fast updates...thnx for this thread.
I also expect for sense 3.0 rom...i thnk it is far away till nowww...no 1 dev seems to b interested in it till nw.
Sorry for poor english
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I will use MIUI. I think.
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CM9 ovbiously
obviously sense4 by benjamin!
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obviously sense4 by benjamin!
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LOL, I wrote on IRC chat that he will port it
I'd use CM9 if it does away with the slightly choppy graphics of CM7. I've always been a fan of Cyanogenmod but I can't stand the laggy graphics, so I'm currently using a Sense ROM. However, the 'old' Sense is integrated with our devices and works more smoothly as a result (in my opinion, at least), but Sense 4.0 isn't, so I'm expecting the same choppiness outside of games. And another thing - if CM9 is stock ICS, then it will have those software buttons that would just take up what little screen space we have, am I right? MIUI, on the other hand, I've never liked. It looks like a bloaty cross between iOS and TouchWiz to me and I find both CM and Sense far superior to it.
So, to round it off, I'd use CM9 if it isn't choppier than Sense 4.0 and has no software buttons, since it offers more than Sense 4.0 (I prefer the old Sense, honestly), even if Sense does add a lot of polish to the bare ICS.
So basically i found this through the news on xda-dev main site :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28020178&postcount=36
Its how to port Jelly bean to your device, if someone could just do that, we would have jelly bean..right?
could someone with experiences please try it out? Would be kick-ass if it worked!:victory:
We don't have JB because the source hasn't been released; sure, someone can port a JB build to our device but since no drivers have been released it would be buggy as hell. What would be the point of having JB if it rendered your device unusable?
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Simply put, the best luck the Vision/DZ/G2 has of getting JB is if there is an official Rom released for it (or released to hardware that is very very very similar to the phone's own hardware).
Thus why it took a while for any 'decent' ICS roms to show up on the DZ, and even then some stuff still doesn't work as well as gingerbread (i.e.: the camera and other hardware that HTC has not released the source for yet, or may never do so).
So it's going to be a while before you actually see an 'alpha' quality functioning JB rom for Vision/G2/DZ. Especially since HTC has no plans to release ICS for this phone, everything after gingerbread will most likely have to be reverse engineered.
If it was just easy as all that it would have been done already.
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Simply put, the best luck the Vision/DZ/G2 has of getting JB is if there is an official Rom released for it (or released to hardware that is very very very similar to the phone's own hardware).
Thus why it took a while for any 'decent' ICS roms to show up on the DZ, and even then some stuff still doesn't work as well as gingerbread (i.e.: the camera and other hardware that HTC has not released the source for yet, or may never do so).
So it's going to be a while before you actually see an 'alpha' quality functioning JB rom for Vision/G2/DZ. Especially since HTC has no plans to release ICS for this phone, everything after gingerbread will most likely have to be reverse engineered.
If it was just easy as all that it would have been done already.
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Okai, thanks!
So there are rumours going around the the HTC desire HD Will be updated to J-b, so for example (because the devices are..a little bit similar) Someone could work on it.and it might work? Right ?
( HTC said when releasing ICS for some devices that they would not update the Desire Z any more / devices with less than 500 ROM RAM right? )
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( HTC said when releasing ICS for some devices that they would not update the Desire Z any more / devices with less than 500 ROM RAM right? )
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Turns out HTC's own staff are idiots, they're talking bout 512MB RAM or less will not get ICS. ROM wouldn't make much sense, since even the Desire-Z can have either 409MB /system or 549MB /system depending on which hboot used.
The DHD has 768 MB RAM, and the HTC blog already confirms that DHD will get it:
http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/
detailed dates here : http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
July-August for the DHD, June-July for the Desire S
But I'm not sure how much of the hardware components in say the DHD is close to that of the Desire-Z so time will tell.
I guess the idea is the device would need enough ram to run smoothly with a stock ICS possibly Sense-Style and default launcher/etc without any sd-ext, ram tweaks, etc. Though I'm already running ICS on my G2 right now, just lacking a smoother camera functionality (in comparison to when on gingerbread), but can shoot pictures and record videos just fine (Can't think of anything else I'm missing exactly).
Jellybean, probably a long way off.
I disagree. By the time the JB source is out, the 3.0 kernel will be even better and a complete replacement for the 2.6 one we're using now. CM will update to 10 and so will the respective ICS roms we have right now.
The only obstacles would be ones related to project butter, but we need the source first in order to really tell.
I would expect beta quality JB roms by August, assuming the JB source is released in the next few weeks.
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Hey Guys whats better my cousin keeps on bugging me and he dosen't like my oppinion so I'll aks you guys instead so that he'll finally stop so
What do you guys think
AOKP or HTC Sense?
Better in what way?
To me its all a matter of preference. I've never been able to stand a Sense ROM more than a week.
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Better in what way?
To me its all a matter of preference. I've never been able to stand a Sense ROM more than a week.
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Overall Performance and the Camera Quality
Again, its a matter of preference. Some people like Cameras apps from other ROMs, or off the market. Performance is a mixed bag too. I never had much luck with Sense 3.0 or 3.5 ROMs with performance, but other people say it works flawless.
Just give him the advice that probably 90% of the people here would: try them out and find out what works for you.
But if your looking for an opinion... the best cameras I've used have been in sense roms, but other than for the camera I can't stand sense, never cared much for eye candy.
I prefer speed and stability so I would say the best is aosp, aokp, cm, even miui. But never sense... again just adding my 0.02$
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Thankyou alot guys now I could review for my tests on Monday
If you're talking bout something at the level of ICS 4.0.4, then I would say 'performance' wise AOKP is going to be better in general, not as much 'eye-candy' and such you'd get from Sense. (As far as I know, no Sense ICS rom has a working camera yet).
But if you're talking Gingerbread and earlier, it's really going to depend on the custom Rom. For example AOKP is most likely going to out perform a stock sense install, but a custom Sense Rom could be on par.
Guess it depends on where your priorities are, do you need more eye candy, or are you aiming more for raw performance/functionality?
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If you're talking bout something at the level of ICS 4.0.4, then I would say 'performance' wise AOKP is going to be better in general, not as much 'eye-candy' and such you'd get from Sense. (As far as I know, no Sense ICS rom has a working camera yet).
But if you're talking Gingerbread and earlier, it's really going to depend on the custom Rom. For example AOKP is most likely going to out perform a stock sense install, but a custom Sense Rom could be on par.
Guess it depends on where your priorities are, do you need more eye candy, or are you aiming more for raw performance/functionality?
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There are some ICS Roms that have camera and camcoreder working on the DZ, like Ice Cream Jibwich and AOKP bulids for vision (those were the only ROMS I got to try, so those are the only ones I know. )
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There are some ICS Roms that have camera and camcoreder working on the DZ, like Ice Cream Jibwich and AOKP bulids for vision (those were the only ROMS I got to try, so those are the only ones I know. )
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But are either of them SENSE 4.0? I was specifically referring to Sense Roms. I know some work, as I'm using an ICS rom where it works.
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But are either of them SENSE 4.0? I was specifically referring to Sense Roms. I know some work, as I'm using an ICS rom where it works.
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ahh... well none yet but once the DHD gets that ICS update Dev's we'll get that Sense 4.0 camera up and running!
and hey why is that Kernel 3.0 from the DHD so important? the people from the Desire S forums have it already.
If ur cousin want a best camera yet performance out of it,get the xperia sense by taz instead..it doest use sense as launcher,but use xperia launcher which was really light..like running 17mb for me.. it's a fast yet with function of sense
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Ok, generally speaking, AospX is WAY faster than any JB 4.1-4.2.2 AOSP/AOKP ROM I have ever tried.
Any reasonal explanation for this?
Because with every successive iteration of Android, it gets farther away from the software for which the hardware was optimized.
That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.
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That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.
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My guess is, JB utilizes hardware resources more efficiently. If the hardware capability just isn't there, there is nothing to optimize. Also, with every iteration, reverse-engineering closed-source drivers and making them compatible gets tougher as Android moves farther away from stock.
And comparing a Nexus, which is designed to be upgraded with AOSP for its lifetime, to an HTC, which is designed to be upgraded with Sense once (maybe twice), isn't really fair.
Ultimately, who cares. The faster the better. I've just tried Nikills after using Sabsa Prime - all I can say is wow. It's like using a new phone with modern h/w.
As above, JB isn't exactly designed to run on our hardware. Heck ICS wasn't either.. Its all about the complexity of the OS. You won't run Windows 8 smoothly on a PC that can, just about, handle Windows 7)
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I have only run one custom ROM so far. I went from stock 2.3.5 sense 3 which I used for a week or so..... I was impressed enough with the stock performance that the first day I decided this would be my first android phone to leave stock for any amount of time. Battery issues caused me to root and install cm10.1 m3. Turns out the battery is shot anyways nothing to do with either ROM. Cm10.1 runs on average just as fast as stock GB did and it has been just as stable.
So in this case I think stock GB ROM has enough stuff that no performance drop is felt going to cm10.
If I went cm7 I'm sure it would be a lot faster but it's fast enough as it is so I won't give up this ROM for a bit more speed.
Scrolling seems to be 100% smooth 99% of the time, the only lag is like a couple seconds to open an app especially when I have several running.
My nexus one which I loved was not even close to this perfect on any jb ROMs I tried on it. I went back to cm7. The desire HD is way faster.
I haven't tried any other ROMs on this phone and in trying to get rid of my flashing obsession. I probably won't try any more for a while. I hope.
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Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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mustavalkosta's cm 10.1 nightlie builds are MUCH faster on my dhd than the stock GB rom.
Android jb faster. Fact is that it need some time for the developers to make it stable port to jb. They have make kernel according to it port each and every file according to desire hd. And no one can deny that still after more than a year no ics is complete stable as stock gb Rom.
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Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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Your statement is right, from my experience JB is smoother, but ICS is faster (faster opening apps).
But comparison to Nik's ROM is simply not fair as it's a Sense4 ROM which is obviously slower / more stuttering than any other ICS AOSP.
That makes sense to me. I think iv can deal with the extra tiny bit of time opening apps cause I like how smooth the scrolling is.
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