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Micro USB pinout?

I have googled for quite a while, and have not found the pinout on the microUSB port. I really want to know if there is any way to get analog output from that port like my old G1. It would be nice to have one port for charging and audio (for cars, docks, and boomboxes).

micro B
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...official&tbs=isch:1&ei=kdo4TPG8IsPbnAefsoycAw

elegantai said:
micro B
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...official&tbs=isch:1&ei=kdo4TPG8IsPbnAefsoycAw
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Thanks for that. But I wonder how that port will provide audio with something like this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-3-5mm...ewItem&pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item35a8ba858b

ok, I am just curious, but you dont want to use the audio output on the top of the phone just to have an all in one solution, correct? Because I have no clue what would happen hooking that adapter up, curious though.

It has to be built into the port as well as the software to control it. I've got my money on it not working, since it's not supported by the phone. HTC ditched the USB headphones a while back because everyone complained about having to use special headphones and adapters, hence why they all have standard headphone jacks now.

elegantai said:
ok, I am just curious, but you dont want to use the audio output on the top of the phone just to have an all in one solution, correct? Because I have no clue what would happen hooking that adapter up, curious though.
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Exactly. Having a dock or boombox that would be plug and play would be nice. I'm actually considering something for the car that would replace a head unit. Maybe there would be a way to snag the digital audio from the HDMI port? Digging continues.
Worse case scenario, I use the USB port for power and bluetooth the audio.

I dont think it is possible through hdmi without a digital to analog converter, which are rather expensive. The hdmi out is pure digital goodness.

elegantai said:
I dont think it is possible through hdmi without a digital to analog converter, which are rather expensive.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-Audio-A...tem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ada7c5484
ORLY?

Lol, I guess for me 50 bucks is rather expensive to free up a wire. But to each his own

elegantai said:
Lol, I guess for me 50 bucks is rather expensive to free up a wire. But to each his own
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Have you seen what Apple charges for white cables? LOL! I think $50 works.

Lol, fair enough

HTC ExtUSB Micro?
I am looking for the same info.
Is the micro usb port on the evo just a standard 5 pin only?
The mini usb on the hero was the non-standard HTC ExtUSB with 11 pins. I loved this because I could make my own docks that included power and audio with only one plug.
Maybe the HTC micro b is analogous? HTC ExtUSB Micro?

I dont think so, it's only 5 pins. And I think the only reason HTC had the 11 pin was to provide the proper support for audio out. Since the evo has a 3.5 mm I dont think it is even possible to do that.

The Chris said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-Audio-A...tem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ada7c5484
ORLY?
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And how exactly do you intend to convert the HDMI to a digital RCA or TOSLINKi nterface as that box requires? Oh, another $50+ box? Yeah, that's what I thought. So, $100 or a cable that looks "silly". I know where my money would go...

The Samsung Fascinate has this audio/usb option. Their docking station has a micro-usb plug and then a USB (power) jack and a standard audio jack out. So it doesn't require any special decoder, there must be audio out pins just like in the iPhone/iTouch?

Take a peek at this photo of an Evo's circuit board. Specifically, the solder points for the microUSB port (including the ground/anchor points):
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/22dlA5ZuptWCyvTX.huge (from http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC-Evo-4G-Teardown/2979/1 )
Count 'em. Eleven, just like extUSB on the Hero & other HTC phones. Looks like the Evo has what could legitimately be called a "HTC micro-extUSB" port, and not merely a standard "micro-USB" port.
Now... good luck trying to find a CABLE with all 11 contacts and wires on it. If it exists, Digikey probably has them... but god only knows where that needle might be in their million-part haystack (anyone who's ever tried finding a specific connector, even a common one, at digikey.com if you don't know its exact OEM part number knows the joy I'm describing...)
Chances are, there's a (~2.7v) serial UART sitting on two of those pins, too.
(update: found a few references to "Micro extUSB" with regard to the Desire, including http://windowsmobilesmartphone.forumcommunity.net/?t=39522724 )

bitbang3r said:
Take a peek at this photo of an Evo's circuit board. Specifically, the solder points for the microUSB port (including the ground/anchor points):
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Isn't that the HDMI connector?

hfarmer said:
Isn't that the HDMI connector?
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Nope. It's definitely the Micro USB connector. I know this is an old thread, but I've been trying to do some research on this port in hopes of hacking my own car dock.
I've found some additional information on this Micro ExtUSB™ port. The HTC Incredible uses it for its TV Out port. See this Thread on AndroidForums. There's even a special cable for the Incredible at HTCPedia. I'm very tempted to buy the cable to use it as a sort of breakout box to experiment with this port.

bitbang3r said:
Take a peek at this photo of an Evo's circuit board. Specifically, the solder points for the microUSB port (including the ground/anchor points):
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/22dlA5ZuptWCyvTX.huge (from http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC-Evo-4G-Teardown/2979/1 )
Count 'em. Eleven, just like extUSB on the Hero & other HTC phones. Looks like the Evo has what could legitimately be called a "HTC micro-extUSB" port, and not merely a standard "micro-USB" port.
Now... good luck trying to find a CABLE with all 11 contacts and wires on it. If it exists, Digikey probably has them... but god only knows where that needle might be in their million-part haystack (anyone who's ever tried finding a specific connector, even a common one, at digikey.com if you don't know its exact OEM part number knows the joy I'm describing...)
Chances are, there's a (~2.7v) serial UART sitting on two of those pins, too.
(update: found a few references to "Micro extUSB" with regard to the Desire, including http://windowsmobilesmartphone.forumcommunity.net/?t=39522724 )
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I believe your looking at the micro hdmi port, the usb is indeed 5 pins.

I'm pretty certain it's just a standard 5-pin MicroUSB port. Just shining a flashlight into the port, I only see 5 pins.
It would be really nice if there was a standard connector that supported power, USB, audio, and some sort of control bus. The Apple dock connector is a bit big, but it allows for a lot more than microUSB can do. Though I guess it could be done over USB if there was a standard for it.

HTC A/V Cable

Dear Thunderbolt Owners,
Please tell me that the USB video/audio cable works on the TB... this would strongly influence my decision on buying it.
Question if it does work:
Does this show everything not just audio/video like the crappy moto X I have?
I am sure many of us want to know this

The official video out cable I have for my old Incredible does NOT fit/work on my Thunderbolt.

I got to thinking about this after the thread in the gen discussion board, and really the AV cable shouldn't work anyway. It's an analog signal instead of a digital one. So I don't know why I thought it would work to begin with. I would like to see this USB to HDMI materialize for us. My luck it will never exist. But it is listed as a accessory, so hopefully they aren't referring to the DNLA adapter that HTC just released.

Maybe something like this...
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ECC1HU0BBEB-SCH-i500-Fascinate-Captivate/dp/B004H9XXZY

I don't know, sorry I need posts for downloading something special

If this was sold direct though amazon I would buy and test. I'm not willing to just throw away 50 in case it doesn't though.

USB to RCA would have been dreamy

lilsalmon said:
The official video out cable I have for my old Incredible does NOT fit/work on my Thunderbolt.
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They should fit, it's the same Micro-usb connector, now work it's another story.

Nope doesn't fit. Tried.
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As I stated before... it does NOT fit and it is not a standard micro USB.
The Dinc actually has contacts on the top back that make it a hybrid proprietary mix of micro USB and video out signals. I should know, when HTC took forever to release it I was attempting to build my own as were others on XDA using pinout diagrams.
-Lil'

I can only hope for your sakes they release one. I can tell you when I had my iPhone hooking it up in my car and viewing everything on the screen I have in there was amazing. Esp for navigation, music videos, or reading email. OH, and lets not forget geeky bragging rights.

I had my DINC setup that way too. I was actually just looking at the specs on the DNLA adapter HTC put out. I figured at worst I could hide that unit and use the HDMI and run it to all the screens in my Tahoe.

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They should fit, it's the same Micro-usb connector, now work it's another story.
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No they are different, the Inc has connectors in the to.of the USB for video. If u look at the Inc USB port it is oddly shaped
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Here is what may be a fix
Type the text below in google and you will get the link to the needed cable. I have not tried it. Please post if you have any experiences with this cable
HTC ADR6400 Thunderbolt Original SKN6377A Micro HDMI Video Cable
micro usb to hdmi for the TB

I really do hope we can hook up a micro to HDMI to the TB. Now that hulu is working on my TB I think I might cancel my TV and internet and just use my phone.

joshsun said:
Type the text below in google and you will get the link to the needed cable. I have not tried it. Please post if you have any experiences with this cable
HTC ADR6400 Thunderbolt Original SKN6377A Micro HDMI Video Cable
micro usb to hdmi for the TB
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Very interesting, I would like to know the outcome. Thanks for the post Joshsun.
Also if anyone else tries it and it works can you describe what comes up: E.g.: Homescreen, media hub, dlna media transfer screen, etc.....

I will buy that cable when I get paid Wednesday and see how it works, though it is made by Motorola.
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Hey guys that SKU for the cable is a Droid X HDMI cable. SKN6377A
Dont think it'll help us.

Yea after further review, don't waste your money. It is micro hdmi type D to hdmi. It will not work. We have standard micro usb ports.

I very much doubt this will work for our phones, but this is the cable you are looking for.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HDMI-Cable-microUSB/dp/B004H9XXZY

MHL Cable or adapter

¿Where the fck can we buy an MHL adapter microusb-hdmi or a full cable to use with the phone?

tada!
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor

As clove give a mid june date, anyone know other site to buy a mhl cable now?

try here, but its more expensive
http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-Galaxy-...183007?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5ae01ef99f
note: this was supposed to be sold for the galaxy s, but i think it didnt work, so it was abandoned. I think that what happenend. If im wrong, someone kindly correct me please

Hum, I think that MHL is a different kind of cable, in concept it is the same input output, but the middle conversor I dont know.
I prefer not to try at that price until I know for sure

Is this not all that is needed
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320679284523
Hope so as i orderd one a few hours ago.

Is this not all that is needed
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=320679284523
Hope so as i orderd one a few hours ago.
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I doubt that'll work as it's not an MHL connector, which I understand is HDMI and USB combined, but if it somehow does... bargain!

Lol now i look properly its not going to work at all

imo very stupid not to use standard HDMI mini port... now we have to buy adapters and ****.. and the phone won't charge if you don't have special adapter.. epic fail imo.. anyway they should include adapters with the phone.

I agree, they should include the required cables and adapters in the box, other manufacturers like Nokia do with their flagship handsets.
I think MHL will ultimately be better than mini HDMI port though, since its looking very likely to become the next standard connection.
I'm hoping to get one of the MHL cable/adapters from the MHL consortium for my Clove Blog review, if I do then I will post up a youTube video for everyone. At the present time the consortium PR person is trying to procure one for me, but it seems likely its inordinately difficult, so remains to be seen whether I will have it in time for the review.

In the very least, you'd expect them to have manufactured and released the accessories by the time the actual phone is released.

lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?prodID=2191847
due to my low post count i cant post this as a link.
have spotted this adaptor for the HTC Flyer, says will be in stock 16/5
I assume this would work guess a little more research needed 1st.

Here you go... It's supposedly the official Samsung Galaxy S II MHL adaptor.
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor

crabjoe said:
Here you go... It's supposedly the official Samsung Galaxy S II MHL adaptor.
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor
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First stock due mid-June just saying.

Can someone confirm for me that this is the same cable. They call it an Ethernet Micro-HDMI (Type D).
Edit: Monoprice[)0Tcom has them for like 5 bucks. I can give the link so you can see the cable once I get some more posts in here.
I'm not worried about the Ethernet part, it should not get in the way because the extra connections for it are female.
Also, there is a lot of great info on these forums. Look forward to sticking around and modding some phones in the future.
Edit 2: So when searching for the Samsung cable by Goog'ling the phone, they call it either "microUSB" or "HML port"
That site has two different types that they call: Mini-HDMI (Type C) and Micro-HDMI (Type D) the type C looks like the usual Samsung cable connection, I was just wondering if there is some different way they wired the Samsung cables so that we had to use those ones. I cannot see them doing that though since there are many devices switching to the same cable as well.

The trick is that standard HDMI so far does not include a link for power. The Samsung MHL adapter has a microUSB plug that connects into the phone and a microUSB jack to connect your charger, and the mini-HDMI jack to hook up to the TV so the device gets charged while playing back. In a future specification update, HDMI will probably be amended to include a power link.
Some info here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA

Clove told me that the MHL cables from different manufacturers will be compatible which is useful to know. I guess they all conform to the standard
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Just seen this in the description for the HTC version - interesting
" Also if your television supports MHL enabled HDMI connections, then you can charge your HTC Sensation when connected and control the Sensation using the television remote (MHL enabled televisions expected late 2011)"
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Thats only true if you TV is MHL capable (hint: nobodies is yet).

i dont understand how the phone has is out but the cables are not? how do they know it works if theres no cables lol

MHL cable, which one to buy?

I've read several discussions about MHL cable, some suggested to buy only OEM stuff, some say even non-OEM stuff works good.
Now that some time has passed, what's the suggested MHL cable to buy?

Go to monoprice dot com and get the one they have. Mine works great and it's like $8.

I ordered the Monoprice one as well. Does yours require a micro USB connection to a power source in order for it to display?
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What I currently use...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170826638258?
Its works fine

Don't know if monoprice ships to EU
EDIT: Yep it does but it's 30$ of shipping :/

I've heard a few reports of people finding their cables only seem to output 720 instead of 1080. Not sure if it's cheapo cable related, or what, but possibly something to look into before ordering.
I'm really looking forward to grabbing one of these cables and a bluetooth mouse & Keyboard.
Android media center for the bedroom HDTV.

Haadkoe said:
I've heard a few reports of people finding their cables only seem to output 720 instead of 1080. Not sure if it's cheapo cable related, or what, but possibly something to look into before ordering.
I'm really looking forward to grabbing one of these cables and a bluetooth mouse & Keyboard.
Android media center for the bedroom HDTV.
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Yeah that's pretty important, would like to have other reports

Razer(x) said:
Yeah that's pretty important, would like to have other reports
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Of course it would output 720p. It only outputs 1080p when you play a 1080p video. Either it works or it doesn't. I'm sure all of the mhl adapters will output 1080p when the phone should.
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I have a genuine one, it's fine, but as you know you need a charger and HDMI cable. Wife's SE Neo has micro hdmi connector and she only need a cable (supplied) and that is definitely more practical.
Wondering if exist some MHL that works without power adapter ?!?!

MHL adapter for HTC One?

Does the HTC One use a standard Micro-USB (5-pin) to MHL adapter?
If so, does HTC make any official adapters?
I've found an older model called MTC AC M490 (for HTC Evo) but it's discontinued. I'm surprised because it has fantastic reviews and I'm guessing it would still work on the HTC One...
If not, can anybody recommend me a good adapter that can also charge the phone?

I ordered this one 3 weeks ago when it was in stock for less than £2.
Works with my HOX and One
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...TV-Out-Adapter-For-Mobile-Phones/Product.html

Why settle for mhl when it supports miracast? This is wireless screen mirroring. You need supported hardware but HTC sells one, media hub I think?
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gk1984 said:
Why settle for mhl when it supports miracast? This is wireless screen mirroring. You need supported hardware but HTC sells one, media hub I think?
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MediaLink HD
Only problem is, it does nor support 1080p output while our phone does.
So other option is Panasonic box or LG box either are out in Europe yet.

Nekromantik said:
MediaLink HD
Only problem is, it does nor support 1080p output while our phone does.
So other option is Panasonic box or LG box either are out in Europe yet.
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I think I read newest HTC Medialink model does 1080p

gk1984 said:
Why settle for mhl when it supports miracast? This is wireless screen mirroring. You need supported hardware but HTC sells one, media hub I think?
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If he's like me and owns the Pioneer appradio 2, the MHL adapter is practically a must with arliberator. It's not the only way to go, but works the best hands down.
Just saying.

Has anyone found an adapter that isn't laggy?

Managed to sort it out, i had to turn off game mode as the tv was trying to draw extra frames.
All running sweet now with no lag.

Pipeline makes a very nice MHL adapter. I say because I have for the LTE and it's a solid piece of tech
Shifted from the bottom of the rabbit hole

Mhl 1.0 supports 1080p at 30fps
mhl 2.0 supports 1080p at 60fps
Our phone is 2.0 capable. If you already bought an mhl adapter for your phone prior to owning this phone chances are it's 1.0. I am using the adapter I used for my Evo LTE and it looks great.
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kmyerslp said:
Mhl 1.0 supports 1080p at 30fps
mhl 2.0 supports 1080p at 60fps
Our phone is 2.0 capable. If you already bought an mhl adapter for your phone prior to owning this phone chances are it's 1.0. I am using the adapter I used for my Evo LTE and it looks great.
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got a link for an mhl 2.0 adapter on amazon?

The only one I know of that is 2.0 is the one offered by htc only because it's labeled as such. No one else seems to list 1.0 or 2.0.
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got a link for an mhl 2.0 adapter on amazon?
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Can anyone recommend an MHL adapter on Amazon? Also, I didn't see an MHL cable as an accessory for the One on the HTC website.
Also, I haven't had a phone that supports MHL before - does it require a power cord for the adapter? I've read mixed stories about some devices requiring the adapter to be connected to a power source as well versus other devices not requiring the extra power source/cable.
Is the TV remote able to send signals to the HTC One, as described in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-definition_Link#Features said:
The TV remote will control the connected device with guaranteed mixed manufacturer interoperability (CEC).[7] (Also see Silicon Image's press release about MHL on December 14, 2010). Note: The built-in Remote Control Protocol(RCP) function allows you to use the remote control of the TV to operate the MHL mobile device through TV’s Consumer Electronics Control (CEC) function.
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Also... I sometimes use an HDMI to DVI adapter to use a computer monitor as a display for some devices that output HDMI (like say for instance my PS3). Would this have any chance of working or is the signaling just entirely different? (ie connecting HTC One to a DVI computer monitor)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-definition_Link#5-pin_MHL-HDMI_adapter.2Fdongle said:
The first implementations use the most popular mobile connection (micro USB) and the most popular TV connection (HDMI). Other than the physical connectors, USB and HDMI technology are not being used. It is exclusively MHL signaling through the connectors and over the cable.
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~Troop

Trooper_Max said:
Can anyone recommend an MHL adapter on Amazon? Also, I didn't see an MHL cable as an accessory for the One on the HTC website.
Also, I haven't had a phone that supports MHL before - does it require a power cord for the adapter? I've read mixed stories about some devices requiring the adapter to be connected to a power source as well versus other devices not requiring the extra power source/cable.
Is the TV remote able to send signals to the HTC One, as described in:
Also... I sometimes use an HDMI to DVI adapter to use a computer monitor as a display for some devices that output HDMI (like say for instance my PS3). Would this have any chance of working or is the signaling just entirely different? (ie connecting HTC One to a DVI computer monitor)
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I bought: http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/161009409501
It is NOT mhl 2.0, tested the mhl adapter with epic citadel. When not connected, I get get an average of 57 fps on the benchmark. When connected to TV @ 1080p, its locked at 30fps max.
I can confirm that the HTC One does NOT require a power source connected to the MHL adapter to work. Older phones needed a power source

Does anyone know if there are any MHL 2.0 Adapters? Cause I can't seem to find them online or on eBay

I,m also searching an MHL 2.0 cable, i found this one :
http://alturl.com/vtu4r
it says MHL 2.0 Adapter, but : Samsung Galaxy S4 / S3 / Note 2 ONLY !
I think i will buy this one :
http://alturl.com/jn3vz
I think this one will have MHL 2.0 but i,m not sure !

kmyerslp said:
Mhl 1.0 supports 1080p at 30fps
mhl 2.0 supports 1080p at 60fps
Our phone is 2.0 capable. If you already bought an mhl adapter for your phone prior to owning this phone chances are it's 1.0. I am using the adapter I used for my Evo LTE and it looks great.
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Where is there information on the One being MHL 2.0 capable? As far as I know the MHL consortium have confirmed the S4 as the first (and presently only) MHL 2.0 spec device on their twitter feed. Not the sort of news they would ordinarily omit.

On wikipedia both MHL and HTC One pages list the device specifically as MHL 2.0. HTC's site say MHL capable but doesn't say 1.0 or 2.0. I guess I can't find an official source of it saying that it is 2.0. If this is 2.0 then of course the One was the first phone released with MHL 2.0.
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kmyerslp said:
On wikipedia both MHL and HTC One pages list the device specifically as MHL 2.0. HTC's site say MHL capable but doesn't say 1.0 or 2.0. I guess I can't find an official source of it saying that it is 2.0. If this is 2.0 then of course the One was the first phone released with MHL 2.0.
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Yeah, the Wikipedia page is all I could find. Personally I find the MHL Consortium a much more credible source, and they say the S4 is the first MHL 2.0 spec device. I don't think the One has it.

xxsoulxx said:
I,m also searching an MHL 2.0 cable, i found this one :
http://alturl.com/vtu4r
it says MHL 2.0 Adapter, but : Samsung Galaxy S4 / S3 / Note 2 ONLY !
I think i will buy this one :
http://alturl.com/jn3vz
I think this one will have MHL 2.0 but i,m not sure !
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I think I'd rather spend less than $10 on an MHL 1.0 cable :/
Are there any affordable MHL 2.0?? Lol