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Micro-USB to HDMI TV-out cable

Well the title says it all, did any of you guys/gals tried to use a micro-USB to HDMI cable to try and get tv-out of higher quality than current component cables?
I know some Samsung phones had that option(usb to HDMI) and I know android OS supports it, but many companies have been known for blocking this option however. Samsung themselves even offered the cable, but it is now out of stock.
Also, does anyone know where to get this cable for less than $30+? I would try it out but that price just seems like a rip-off!
Plus does anyone know where the restriction the manufacturer puts on usb to hdmi video output is lcoated at? (in the anroid OS parameters)
Thnx!

I believe the Captivate can only do TV out through the Headphone jack, not the micro USB prot. But don't quote me on that. Check out this video.

i read a review that said the phone could do tv out through micro usb to hdmi but the cable from samsung is too expensive and sold out to boot.

hollywould said:
I believe the Captivate can only do TV out through the Headphone jack, not the micro USB prot. But don't quote me on that. Check out this video.
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The Captivate can in fact produce TVout via a MicroUSB - to - HDMI cable. You just need the cable and your good to go.
However some DRM Protected files may not play correctly on your TV

Samsung released a page with it on it. Its out of stock, but will be priced at $50! I think that's way too much, hopefully there will be cheaper options out there.
The samsung item is Product ID: ECC1HU0BBEBSTD

Does anybody know if the HDMI cable will power the phone at the same time as using it? I have read that the HDMI spec provides a 5V power supply and was wondering if that carried over with this cable (or correct me if I'm wrong on that). It doesn't sound like anybody has been able to find these cables anywhere yet, but I was just curious if I should be excited at the prospect or dismiss it entirely knowing that it'll kill the phone's battery...

gonna hafta pick up this cable sooon when its available...

I'll buy it if it works like the 3.5mm headphone jack video. IE, it displays anything, rather than just a few supported things.

Cheap deal
Found this while searching for that cable. Looks like you can get a replica cable for $3.60. Out of stock of course.
http://www.myluxphone.com/samsung-ecc1hu0bbebstd-tv-out-cable-micro-usb-to-hdmi.html
Also found the Samsung official one for $50 that is currently out of stock.
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/...detail&subsubtype=data-cables-kits&returnurl=

pezx44 said:
Does anybody know if the HDMI cable will power the phone at the same time as using it? I have read that the HDMI spec provides a 5V power supply and was wondering if that carried over with this cable (or correct me if I'm wrong on that). It doesn't sound like anybody has been able to find these cables anywhere yet, but I was just curious if I should be excited at the prospect or dismiss it entirely knowing that it'll kill the phone's battery...
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The pictures of the cable show a port of some sort, on the HDMI end. It looks like there is a picture of a power plug just above the port. I'm guessing you can plug your micro-usb charger into the HDMI end, and charge your phone that way.

Quick thought on this guys. There's no proprietary magic going on so someone should try the micro to standard usb then get a usb to hdmi cable. I hate to string cables together but data is data and in lieu of waiting or paying 50 bucks, I'm gonna try a two adapter method. Probably cost 20 or less not 50.
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sevenvt said:
Quick thought on this guys. There's no proprietary magic going on so someone should try the micro to standard usb then get a usb to hdmi cable. I hate to string cables together but data is data and in lieu of waiting or paying 50 bucks, I'm gonna try a two adapter method. Probably cost 20 or less not 50.
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Give us a shout if it works then! Buy cheap from www.dealextreme.com

Try these this is the best place i have found for cables
http://www.monoprice.com/products/s...deo+Cables+-+Micro-HDMI/HDMI&keyword=usb hdmi

thumper_1151 said:
Try these this is the best place i have found for cables
http://www.monoprice.com/products/s...deo+Cables+-+Micro-HDMI/HDMI&keyword=usb hdmi
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Need to pay better attention, those cables will not work. You need a microUSB to HDMI not a microHDMI to HDMI cable.

Thnx for replies, I also posted this on another android forum and it seems there are just no shops that currently sell it. I called couple of big suppliers and they all say that it should be arriving soon.
So it seems we just going to have to wait this one out.
$50 for a 2 ft cable makes even the ever so expensive rip-off cables from Monster Cable co. cry. lol

I was hoping this would work, I emailed Samsung to see what they had to say. Their response was not what I was hoping....
Hopefully its a case of the customer service rep not knowing anything. But its looking like these cables are only for some pmp style devices Samsung makes. It would be nice if someone can confirm this.
The way it sounds is if you want anything better than composite video out, you will have to use DLNA.
On Monday, August 2, 2010, SAMSUNG ERMS
> Dear XXXX,
> ****Thank you for your inquiry. The part number ECC1HU0BBEBSTD
> for a *Samsung TV Out cable is different.
> ****The part number of the Samsung TV Out cable for Galaxy
> S device is ECC1TX1BBEGSTA. If you need more information about this issue, you
> can log on to the Samsung.com.
> ****We also invite you to contact Samsung Customer Care
> at your earliest convenience through our toll free number 1-888-987-HELP (1-888-987-4357)
>
> ****Thank you for your continued interest in Samsung
> products.
> Sincerely,
> Technical Support
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Clockwork Mod Recovery
HI,
Off this subject, but I noticed you are running the Clockwork Mod Recovery on a Rooted Captivate. Can you point me in the right direction for accomplishing this?
Sharon
warri said:
The Captivate can in fact produce TVout via a MicroUSB - to - HDMI cable. You just need the cable and your good to go.
However some DRM Protected files may not play correctly on your TV
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This cable:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/...subsubtype=data-cables-kits&tab=accCompatible
Is not compatible with the Captivate.

rkorzuch said:
This cable:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/...subsubtype=data-cables-kits&tab=accCompatible
Is not compatible with the Captivate.
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Samsung changed its tune about the cable working with the Vibrant and Captivate. So either they made a mistake and removed the cable from the page(s). Or they are going to announce the cable when they have the software to make it happen done.
They probably made a mistake, however on both captivate and vibrant seems slightly more unlikely.

Very fishy indeed, like always samsung is in some kind of a cover-up... in any way the guy I was talking to said they special ordered them and they have arrived now.
Here is the link...
www .cellularaccessory.com/ecc1hu0bbeb.html (remove spaces of course...)
Not much better than samsungs price but at least they have them in stock...
Someone should buy this and see if it works lol
Or you all can contribute a dollar or something and I wil lbuy it myself for testing.

[Q] HDMI cable

Anyone know where one can be brought? also why have I read stuff about the s2 having mini usb? it doesn't it has the same propriety connector as the galaxy s.

It's MHL. It's the supposed new 'standard' for connectivity. I think most devices are using that connection nowadays. Last I heard was Clove saying the MHL adapters won't be out until June.

DVC1985 said:
It's MHL. It's the supposed new 'standard' for connectivity. I think most devices are using that connection nowadays. Last I heard was Clove saying the MHL adapters won't be out until June.
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really? so the original galaxy s had mhl as well? Any suggestions on what to do with my fancy new phone? so far apart from being super quick it just seems like a sleaker bigger galaxy s, I cant think of anything my galaxy s couldn't do :S
Oh I know I'm gonna see if the wii mote works on this thing

badasschris said:
really? so the original galaxy s had mhl as well? Any suggestions on what to do with my fancy new phone? so far apart from being super quick it just seems like a sleaker bigger galaxy s, I cant think of anything my galaxy s couldn't do :S
Oh I know I'm gonna see if the wii mote works on this thing
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I can't find any evidence that it did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-definition_Link
It's the new standard, but that doesn't mean older devices support it. The SGS2 is one of the first AFAIK

But nothing on the market will currently work? HDMI out from a mobile is just supercool!

I have both an sgs1 and sgs 2, my charger fits the micro usb (the only i/o connector) on the phones, perfectly

The connectors should be the same on the S1 and S2, but only the S2 is MHL compatible.
I think MHL can use any 5 pin connector to send an HDMI signal while receiving power for charging.
I'm not sure if you'll be able to use the MHL HDMI out and USB at the same time, but I hope this is possible.
I'm also guessing that the adaptor will need to be a clever one with circuitry rather than a passive adaptor. Does anyone know if this will definitely be the case, and if so I'd imagine it'll have cost implications! Hope I'm wrong and a passive adaptor is possible

Coming from a LG Optimus 2x, that came with a Micro USB ---> HDMI cable. These are available from Ebay for a GBP 10 - would these work?

Yea guessing its just MHL compatible as the old port was usb compatible. Thats annoying, with all the talk of this new standard usb-hdmi port I was assuming it would use a standard connector and not a proprietary one.
It stupid really if all manufacturers used the same connector we wouldn't have to have multiple chargers/docks/cables

You can't use the USB port for MHL and USB functions at the same time, this is confirmed (if you search for MHL at youTube there is a great video with a person from the MHL consortium explaining it).
To badasschris: this isn't a proprietary port. Samsung, Nokia, Sony, HTC, Toshiba, and quite a few other partners are involved with it, it seems likely to become the standard for mobile devices (iPhone aside, I am sure Apply will continue to push their proprietary ports).

NZtechfreak said:
You can't use the USB port for MHL and USB functions at the same time, this is confirmed (if you search for MHL at youTube there is a great video with a person from the MHL consortium explaining it).
To badasschris: this isn't a proprietary port. Samsung, Nokia, Sony, HTC, Toshiba, and quite a few other partners are involved with it, it seems likely to become the standard for mobile devices (iPhone aside, I am sure Apply will continue to push their proprietary ports).
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Are you absolutely sure it isnt proprietary? Why I am getting confused is because it has the same port as the galaxy s1 and I heard nothing about that being a standard port and you always have to buy a samsung charger not a [standard port] charger e.g. mini usb charger for any devices which have mini usb. So you are saying at some point the other manufactorers will have the same port and I will be able to use my galaxy s charger to charge them?

Galaxy S is a standard micro USB port, and lacks the MHL connection, its not proprietary at all, I use several non-Samsung cables to charge the phone in my car and from PCs. Most manufacturers, Apple excluded, use micro USB charging now.
The port in the Galaxy SII is not the same as the Galaxy S, as it has MHL connectivity in addition, but its function as a micro USB port for mass memory and charging is perfectly standard, and doesn't require special cables or connectors of any kind.

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Galaxy S is a standard micro USB port, and lacks the MHL connection, its not proprietary at all, I use several non-Samsung cables to charge the phone in my car and from PCs. Most manufacturers, Apple excluded, use micro USB charging now.
The port in the Galaxy SII is not the same as the Galaxy S, as it has MHL connectivity in addition, but its function as a micro USB port for mass memory and charging is perfectly standard, and doesn't require special cables or connectors of any kind.
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lol I had to thank you there I've been a right plonker. I remember seeing someone say the origional galaxy s was micro usb and then when I saw it I thought that't not micro usb. It just clicked I have been getting micro and mini usb confused. When anyone said micro I immediately assumed mini
Glad I got that sorted.

Is it possible to buy an MHL to HDMI cable? Where?

You can't use the USB port for MHL and USB functions at the same time, this is confirmed (if you search for MHL at youTube there is a great video with a person from the MHL consortium explaining it).
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That sucks. I was hoping to look into making a tablet dock that used a USB capacitive touch screen & HDMI output for the screen.
A laptop dock using Bluetooth for the keyboard and HDMI for the screen would still be possible, or a tablet that used Bluetooth for the touch-screen.
This phone is powerful - it's annoying not to be able to use the hardware for more than just a phone.
I reckon Motorola is thinking along the right lines with the Atrix, and I hoped other manufacturers would be too, but this combined port indicates Samsung are probably not.

DavidMc0 said:
That sucks. I was hoping to look into making a tablet dock that used a USB capacitive touch screen & HDMI output for the screen.
A laptop dock using Bluetooth for the keyboard and HDMI for the screen would still be possible, or a tablet that used Bluetooth for the touch-screen.
This phone is powerful - it's annoying not to be able to use the hardware for more than just a phone.
I reckon Motorola is thinking along the right lines with the Atrix, and I hoped other manufacturers would be too, but this combined port indicates Samsung are probably not.
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Plus you have the added fact that samsung like to mess with bluetooth meaning many devices wont work with it. I really hope the bluetooth situation gets fixed somehow as this device paired with a screen and a bluetooth keyboard/mouse and game pad gives you a portable computer / games console. without it its just an amazing phone

This should work perfectly with bluetooth mouse and keyboard, my SGSI does. It should also work with a Zeemote, unfortunately it doesn't have enough buttons to be that good for using in emulators.

I can confirm that the igo stowaway bluetooth keyboard works fine w/the SGS2 in case anyone's curious

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Is it possible to buy an MHL to HDMI cable? Where?
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Good question. That's what we are all looking for.

So far i have only seen two places selling them Clove and Expansys are doing it 2 £24.99 they ar egetting them in on the 28th May

Found some Cheap Cables in NA

I posted in another thread about cables compatible with the SG2 and ended up answering my own question when I found one in my box of cables.
See attached for photos if you want to be sure.
Part number 5457 (USB to SG2 connector) is the cable that I have and can confirm that the micro-B type from Monoprice is the same as used on the SG2.

I have a thread on USB OTG cables, already some around that are very cheap and work
be very interested to hear about the other cable there though!

Yeah, the hdmi cable seems to be the one people are looking/waiting for.
I will update the OP once it gets in. If this thread gets buried to far by then, I can send you a pm instead of bumping the thread if you like.

That'd be great, although I expect lots of others will appreciate the bump if it is to confirm they work!

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That'd be great, although I expect lots of others will appreciate the bump if it is to confirm they work!
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exactly...

Meh, they don't ship to Italy S:

Looking at what they say further they are talking about it connecting a Droid X to your television, and the close up shots of the micro-end of this cable do not resemble a micro USB particularly. I think these won't work.

dude, there is no HDMI, micro HDMI or MICRO USB to HDMI port on this phone, its MHL, dont waste your money on that cable.

Your posted HDMI cable will NOT work as it is micros-HDMI to HDMI and not MicroUSB to HDMI as needed on the SDS2.

The cables were cheap enough that I just ordered a few different ones to try out and see if they worked. With all the gadgets I end up buying, the ones that do not work with the phone will come in handy eventually for something else anyway.
Since there is more interest, I will bump the thread once I find out if the other cables I bought work fro the HDMI.

I got my cables in and can confirm that both the micro and mini HDMI cables are not the same end as the Samsung (micro-usb).
I did contact them, and they stated they are working on making a micro-usb to HDMI cable. There is no eta on availability however. I can let you know when I see them in stock if you like because the prices on these cables are pretty high elsewhere right now and will wait until some cheaper ones are released.

Inexpensive USB to HDMI adaptor

I am looking for an inexpensive USB to HDMI adaptor. There is a huge price range for this kind of device. I have found some online for as little as $12 or as much as $150.
Does anyone know if the inexpensive ones will will work on a Tab 10.1 with a USB dongle attached?

dsafety said:
I am looking for an inexpensive USB to HDMI adaptor. There is a huge price range for this kind of device. I have found some online for as little as $12 or as much as $150.
Does anyone know if the inexpensive ones will will work on a Tab 10.1 with a USB dongle attached?
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I never tried this, but I think chances are very low that any of them will work on android.
They need special driver software to use them as graphics devices. As far as I know, no such drivers exist on android.

So you're looking to bypass the oem product this way?
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/08/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-adapters/
Due to expense?

Struggling to understand why you would not use the HDMI connector that Samsung produces

I am looking for a lower cost solution. The Samsung adaptor is about $40. There are dozens of USB to HDMI devices out there for much less. If they will work when connected to the USB adapter that I already have, it seems like a reasonable way to go.

Fair enough, seems a little like a false economy to me as $40 isn't that much. I suppose it will depend on how much you use it.
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I am looking for a lower cost solution. The Samsung adaptor is about $40. There are dozens of USB to HDMI devices out there for much less. If they will work when connected to the USB adapter that I already have, it seems like a reasonable way to go.
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dsafety said:
I am looking for a lower cost solution. The Samsung adaptor is about $40. There are dozens of USB to HDMI devices out there for much less. If they will work when connected to the USB adapter that I already have, it seems like a reasonable way to go.
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You have to watch out a little with that ...
I assumed you were talking about 'real' USB to HDMI in your original post. As I mentioned above, these need specific driver software.
There are also a lot of MHL devices out there, which use a micro usb connector to get to the MHL signal. These can - e.g. - be used on some galaxy phones. These are not real USB devices. They use an USB connector to get to the MHL signal (which is close to HDMI) and translate that to HDMI.
Theoretically, these could be used with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which also has MHL output). But the normal USB connector for the Galaxy Tab will connect them to the wrong ports.

Moreover, price of the original adapter has dropped much.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-li...p?ie=UTF8&qid=1322575716&sr=8-1&condition=new

wiffeltje said:
I never tried this, but I think chances are very low that any of them will work on android.
They need special driver software to use them as graphics devices. As far as I know, no such drivers exist on android.
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Hmmm really???
Errr I got one HDMI adapter for my HTC Sensation, it worked out of the box, I dont think your statement is totally true..
Yes driver is included as far as I know anyway, why would samsung make a HDMI device that wasnt supported by Android..Or HTC for that matter..
Is'nt this down to the GPU rather than the Android.???
Correct me if Im wrong of course..But doesnt the Tab have a seperate GPU or Tegra Chip lets say..
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mattbee said:
Hmmm really???
Errr I got one HDMI adapter for my HTC Sensation, it worked out of the box, I dont think your statement is totally true..
Yes driver is included as far as I know anyway, why would samsung make a HDMI device that wasnt supported by Android..Or HTC for that matter..
Is'nt this down to the GPU rather than the Android.???
Correct me if Im wrong of course..But doesnt the Tab have a seperate GPU or Tegra Chip lets say..
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Yes, that is correct.
The HTC Sensation also has MHL support. Yes, that is generated by the GPU. And yes, for that the USB connections are reused. So, the MHL output is send through the same lines as the USB lines. There is some nifty hardware in the HTC Sensation to make this work. The same mechanism is used in multiple devices. But it's not USB, so no drivers are needed for that. I guess that the main reason for this, is not having to add yet another port to these devices.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 does not have a USB port. It has a wider port that brings out both USB and MHL (on different lines). So, the normal USB adapter will bring out the USB lines. Hence your HDMI adapter will not work with the normal USB adapter for the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
If you know how to reroute the lines, you might get it to work.
For more info, just look at MHL at Wikipedia. Just a little sniplet ...
MHL is connection agnostic (i.e., not tied to a specific type of hardware connector). The first implementations dual-purpose the most popular mobile connection (micro USB) and the most popular HDTV connection (HDMI). Other than the connectors being used, no USB nor HDMI technology is being used. It is exclusively MHL signalling through the connectors and over the cable. Other proprietary and custom connections are also allowed.
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OTG+MHL? Maybe (anyone taken an MHL adapter (or 11pin to 5pin converter) apart yet?)

so, anyone taken apart an MHL adapter yet?
i have a sneaking suspicion, that the move to an 11 pin is what will allow BOTH OTG, and MHL at the same time, but i could be wrong.
look inside your USB port on the bottom of the S3...
whatya see?
the normal 5 pins on the USB part.. but what is that in back wall? THE OTHER 6 PINS!
yep, that is why you cannot plug the MHL adapter into a hub or anything.. there is 6 pins are missing.
Now, i am wondering:
has anyone taken it apart to see if the 6 pins are used alone, or if it uses the the USB also?
if it uses only the 6 pins for MHL-ness, then it should more than possible to make an OTG/MHL adapter/dock.
more thought says, if my theory is right, an 11 pin to 5 pin conveter may be the key.. and an otg can be spliced in to give 2 outputs: MHL in one (using an s2 MHL adapter) and OTG in the other.....
anyone wanna tear their adapter up? or are you guys gonna make me spend some money?

I ran across this post looking to see if anyone has done this yet. I am going to try to grab the 5 to 11 tomorrow and tear it apart (since it's the cheaper adapter). My plan was to rip it apart and if the original 5 pins are available, splice just as you mentioned.
I can't find a decent picture of the microUSB plug to see if all pins are there.
Also I found this:
http://homixtech.en.alibaba.com/pro...Galaxy_S3_11pin_To_Micro_USB_5pin_Gender.html
Which makes me think 11 pin microUSB plugs that work are available out there somewhere.

cmbg78 said:
I ran across this post looking to see if anyone has done this yet. I am going to try to grab the 5 to 11 tomorrow and tear it apart (since it's the cheaper adapter). My plan was to rip it apart and if the original 5 pins are available, splice just as you mentioned.
I can't find a decent picture of the microUSB plug to see if all pins are there.
Also I found this:
http://homixtech.en.alibaba.com/pro...Galaxy_S3_11pin_To_Micro_USB_5pin_Gender.html
Which makes me think 11 pin microUSB plugs that work are available out there somewhere.
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I wait with baited breath... i REALLY think this is what is going on.

cmbg78 said:
I ran across this post looking to see if anyone has done this yet. I am going to try to grab the 5 to 11 tomorrow and tear it apart (since it's the cheaper adapter). My plan was to rip it apart and if the original 5 pins are available, splice just as you mentioned.
I can't find a decent picture of the microUSB plug to see if all pins are there.
Also I found this:
http://homixtech.en.alibaba.com/pro...Galaxy_S3_11pin_To_Micro_USB_5pin_Gender.html
Which makes me think 11 pin microUSB plugs that work are available out there somewhere.
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So, did you do this experiment? Has anybody found a way to get access to all of the pins and make OTG work with MHL?

I've been waiting for two months for an answer about this. I'm glad someone started a thread. I kind of have this hesitation to start new threads.
I would love it if this could be integrated with the seidio active dock.
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nightwinn said:
I've been waiting for two months for an answer about this. I'm glad someone started a thread. I kind of have this hesitation to start new threads.
I would love it if this could be integrated with the seidio active dock.
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I decided to take the plunge.... and have ordered a part to slice open. will update.

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I decided to take the plunge.... and have ordered a part to slice open. will update.
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Thanks bro!, Ive been searching for the answer to this awhile as well.. I wonder not many people have brought this up. Ideally I would love to use my S3 as a "PC".
Check this out: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/29/galaxy-s-iii-new-mhl-connector-also-enables-usb-on-go/
Edit: On another thread someone posted that they connected the USB OTG cable to the Micro USB port on the MHL adapter with no luck..hmm

romulusram said:
Thanks bro!, Ive been searching for the answer to this awhile as well.. I wonder not many people have brought this up. Ideally I would love to use my S3 as a "PC".
Check this out: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/29/galaxy-s-iii-new-mhl-connector-also-enables-usb-on-go/
Edit: On another thread someone posted that they connected the USB OTG cable to the Micro USB port on the MHL adapter with no luck..hmm
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meh, I think that is wrong. many people have done exactly what it says you can do, and it doesn't work.

Makes me wonder if the boys at Samsung made a press mistake. If indeed you can't use both with the correct cable, then why make a port with 11 pins? Seems a waste of resources to me.

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Makes me wonder if the boys at Samsung made a press mistake. If indeed you can't use both with the correct cable, then why make a port with 11 pins? Seems a waste of resources to me.
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I have never seen anything from samsung saying that MHL and OTG was possible.. just speculation in websites.

It better be possible because if not all Samsung's managed to do is make us buy hugely overpriced new MHL cables when they could have kept the old type, but I guess Samsung's made some decent money giving people no option but to buy £30 MHL cables.

I hope Monoprice really is working on a cable. 35-40 USD is more than I want to pay, especially if I get a couple and/or an HDMI dock.

Geordie Lad said:
It better be possible because if not all Samsung's managed to do is make us buy hugely overpriced new MHL cables when they could have kept the old type, but I guess Samsung's made some decent money giving people no option but to buy £30 MHL cables.
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neiliewheeliebin
Both the oem adapters are missing 2 data pins within the plug needed for simultaneous usb connectivity with mhl,I've ordered a Chinese alternative that I'm hoping will have all 11 pins,I'll report back If I have any success

neiliewheeliebin said:
Both the oem adapters are missing 2 data pins within the plug needed for simultaneous usb connectivity with mhl,I've ordered a Chinese alternative that I'm hoping will have all 11 pins,I'll report back If I have any success
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gracias amigo.
when you get 10 posts, so you can post links, can you come back and post what you got? then I shall order a different one.
we will find the perfect cable.

neiliewheeliebin said:
Both the oem adapters are missing 2 data pins within the plug needed for simultaneous usb connectivity with mhl,I've ordered a Chinese alternative that I'm hoping will have all 11 pins,I'll report back If I have any success
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Someone needs to find the resistor values first so the phone can use both simultaneously if it's even possible that is.

Geordie Lad said:
Someone needs to find the resistor values first so the phone can use both simultaneously if it's even possible that is.
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that would be key. I have sent out messages to people that may know, or may be able to find out, but i have not had success.
heck, If it can be done in the terminal (turning on items) i can make a shortcut that would do it.. but i have had no success with that either.

It's not possible I think.
You can use an MHL enabled tv wich powers MHL, (so you don't need the adapter) but how do you want to split that?
You can split the cables from the samsung adapter, so you have the MHL ones(6) and the usb ones(5).
But what then?
You need to connect the MHL ones to an hdmi cable, and connect it with an MHL enabled tv. And the usb ones to an usb port for OTG.
But will that even work with this S3?, because it is designed to get power from your charger via the extra usb port on the adapter.
Maybe it only works with the adapter, and not even with an MHl enabled tv...
I think somebody needs to connect the S3 to an MHL enabled tv, if that works you can modify the adapter and use the usb as OTG.
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Jeurum_92 said:
Values are already figured out, but both MHL and usb output at the same time is not possible I think.
You can use an MHL enabled tv wich powers MHL, (so you don't need the adapter) but how do you want to split that?
You can split the cables from the samsung adapter, so you have the MHL ones(6) and the usb ones(5).
But what then?
You need to connect the MHL ones to an hdmi cable, and connect it with an MHL enabled tv. And the usb ones to an usb port for OTG.
But will that even work with this S3?, because it is designed to get power from your charger via the extra usb port on the adapter.
Maybe it only works with the adapter, and not even with an MHl enabled tv...
I think somebody needs to connect the S3 to an MHL enabled tv, if that works you can modify the adapter and use the usb as OTG.
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I found (and shared) the MHL value, and we already know the OTG value.. but it only seems logical there is ANOTHER value to activate both at the same time. we are postulating, the the reasoning behind the 11 pin, is to allow both. If adding just an OTG cable turned on MHL too, it would cause issues without an MHL connection. and the same with MHL activating OTG, without an OTG device connected. like i said, this is postulation at the moment, but there SHOULD be a thrid value to enable both at the same time. that value would be used by a future peice of hardware that does a whole "PC MODE".
and if it does not exist, it CAN be done, we just need more "stuff" a way to enable a special switch if you will.
some people are saying you can connect straight to an MHL enabled TV, but that has not been done yet (and since there are no 11 pin MHL cables, that are not adapters, it seem unlikell that anyone will until said cable exists. the S3 cannot send MHL signal over the usb part, it has to be either the extra 6 pins, or with the 11 to 5 pin adapter.)
essentially, the pins are there, and with some special software, or a hidden resistor value as to yet, unfound, and some custom hardware (as of now NOTHING 11 pin, has 11 pins in it) it SHOULD be possible.
but there is nothing that has been found (hardware wise) that is even modifyable to work.... yet.

What I don't understand, why does MHL only work with the power connected?
They could easily make an MHL cable with the 11 pin, and hdmi. That should work for only MHL.
Only no go I can think is that MHL drains your battery because of always having your screen on, and the MHL output.
So they decided to use the adapter with power, otherwise you can't use MHL feature very long before your battery is empty
I think inside the adapter they only use the pins for giving power, and not the full 5 pin support for OTG, and therefore OTG doesn't work when you want to connect something.
Inside the ROM they have maybe build in something that MHL will only work when power is connected.
Maybe the solution is very simple,modify the adapter so full 5 pins are connected.