Anyone know where one can be brought? also why have I read stuff about the s2 having mini usb? it doesn't it has the same propriety connector as the galaxy s.
It's MHL. It's the supposed new 'standard' for connectivity. I think most devices are using that connection nowadays. Last I heard was Clove saying the MHL adapters won't be out until June.
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It's MHL. It's the supposed new 'standard' for connectivity. I think most devices are using that connection nowadays. Last I heard was Clove saying the MHL adapters won't be out until June.
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really? so the original galaxy s had mhl as well? Any suggestions on what to do with my fancy new phone? so far apart from being super quick it just seems like a sleaker bigger galaxy s, I cant think of anything my galaxy s couldn't do :S
Oh I know I'm gonna see if the wii mote works on this thing
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really? so the original galaxy s had mhl as well? Any suggestions on what to do with my fancy new phone? so far apart from being super quick it just seems like a sleaker bigger galaxy s, I cant think of anything my galaxy s couldn't do :S
Oh I know I'm gonna see if the wii mote works on this thing
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I can't find any evidence that it did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-definition_Link
It's the new standard, but that doesn't mean older devices support it. The SGS2 is one of the first AFAIK
But nothing on the market will currently work? HDMI out from a mobile is just supercool!
I have both an sgs1 and sgs 2, my charger fits the micro usb (the only i/o connector) on the phones, perfectly
The connectors should be the same on the S1 and S2, but only the S2 is MHL compatible.
I think MHL can use any 5 pin connector to send an HDMI signal while receiving power for charging.
I'm not sure if you'll be able to use the MHL HDMI out and USB at the same time, but I hope this is possible.
I'm also guessing that the adaptor will need to be a clever one with circuitry rather than a passive adaptor. Does anyone know if this will definitely be the case, and if so I'd imagine it'll have cost implications! Hope I'm wrong and a passive adaptor is possible
Coming from a LG Optimus 2x, that came with a Micro USB ---> HDMI cable. These are available from Ebay for a GBP 10 - would these work?
Yea guessing its just MHL compatible as the old port was usb compatible. Thats annoying, with all the talk of this new standard usb-hdmi port I was assuming it would use a standard connector and not a proprietary one.
It stupid really if all manufacturers used the same connector we wouldn't have to have multiple chargers/docks/cables
You can't use the USB port for MHL and USB functions at the same time, this is confirmed (if you search for MHL at youTube there is a great video with a person from the MHL consortium explaining it).
To badasschris: this isn't a proprietary port. Samsung, Nokia, Sony, HTC, Toshiba, and quite a few other partners are involved with it, it seems likely to become the standard for mobile devices (iPhone aside, I am sure Apply will continue to push their proprietary ports).
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You can't use the USB port for MHL and USB functions at the same time, this is confirmed (if you search for MHL at youTube there is a great video with a person from the MHL consortium explaining it).
To badasschris: this isn't a proprietary port. Samsung, Nokia, Sony, HTC, Toshiba, and quite a few other partners are involved with it, it seems likely to become the standard for mobile devices (iPhone aside, I am sure Apply will continue to push their proprietary ports).
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Are you absolutely sure it isnt proprietary? Why I am getting confused is because it has the same port as the galaxy s1 and I heard nothing about that being a standard port and you always have to buy a samsung charger not a [standard port] charger e.g. mini usb charger for any devices which have mini usb. So you are saying at some point the other manufactorers will have the same port and I will be able to use my galaxy s charger to charge them?
Galaxy S is a standard micro USB port, and lacks the MHL connection, its not proprietary at all, I use several non-Samsung cables to charge the phone in my car and from PCs. Most manufacturers, Apple excluded, use micro USB charging now.
The port in the Galaxy SII is not the same as the Galaxy S, as it has MHL connectivity in addition, but its function as a micro USB port for mass memory and charging is perfectly standard, and doesn't require special cables or connectors of any kind.
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Galaxy S is a standard micro USB port, and lacks the MHL connection, its not proprietary at all, I use several non-Samsung cables to charge the phone in my car and from PCs. Most manufacturers, Apple excluded, use micro USB charging now.
The port in the Galaxy SII is not the same as the Galaxy S, as it has MHL connectivity in addition, but its function as a micro USB port for mass memory and charging is perfectly standard, and doesn't require special cables or connectors of any kind.
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lol I had to thank you there I've been a right plonker. I remember seeing someone say the origional galaxy s was micro usb and then when I saw it I thought that't not micro usb. It just clicked I have been getting micro and mini usb confused. When anyone said micro I immediately assumed mini
Glad I got that sorted.
Is it possible to buy an MHL to HDMI cable? Where?
You can't use the USB port for MHL and USB functions at the same time, this is confirmed (if you search for MHL at youTube there is a great video with a person from the MHL consortium explaining it).
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That sucks. I was hoping to look into making a tablet dock that used a USB capacitive touch screen & HDMI output for the screen.
A laptop dock using Bluetooth for the keyboard and HDMI for the screen would still be possible, or a tablet that used Bluetooth for the touch-screen.
This phone is powerful - it's annoying not to be able to use the hardware for more than just a phone.
I reckon Motorola is thinking along the right lines with the Atrix, and I hoped other manufacturers would be too, but this combined port indicates Samsung are probably not.
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That sucks. I was hoping to look into making a tablet dock that used a USB capacitive touch screen & HDMI output for the screen.
A laptop dock using Bluetooth for the keyboard and HDMI for the screen would still be possible, or a tablet that used Bluetooth for the touch-screen.
This phone is powerful - it's annoying not to be able to use the hardware for more than just a phone.
I reckon Motorola is thinking along the right lines with the Atrix, and I hoped other manufacturers would be too, but this combined port indicates Samsung are probably not.
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Plus you have the added fact that samsung like to mess with bluetooth meaning many devices wont work with it. I really hope the bluetooth situation gets fixed somehow as this device paired with a screen and a bluetooth keyboard/mouse and game pad gives you a portable computer / games console. without it its just an amazing phone
This should work perfectly with bluetooth mouse and keyboard, my SGSI does. It should also work with a Zeemote, unfortunately it doesn't have enough buttons to be that good for using in emulators.
I can confirm that the igo stowaway bluetooth keyboard works fine w/the SGS2 in case anyone's curious
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Good question. That's what we are all looking for.
So far i have only seen two places selling them Clove and Expansys are doing it 2 £24.99 they ar egetting them in on the 28th May
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¿Where the fck can we buy an MHL adapter microusb-hdmi or a full cable to use with the phone?
tada!
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor
As clove give a mid june date, anyone know other site to buy a mhl cable now?
try here, but its more expensive
http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-Galaxy-...183007?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5ae01ef99f
note: this was supposed to be sold for the galaxy s, but i think it didnt work, so it was abandoned. I think that what happenend. If im wrong, someone kindly correct me please
Hum, I think that MHL is a different kind of cable, in concept it is the same input output, but the middle conversor I dont know.
I prefer not to try at that price until I know for sure
Is this not all that is needed
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320679284523
Hope so as i orderd one a few hours ago.
Is this not all that is needed
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=320679284523
Hope so as i orderd one a few hours ago.
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I doubt that'll work as it's not an MHL connector, which I understand is HDMI and USB combined, but if it somehow does... bargain!
Lol now i look properly its not going to work at all
imo very stupid not to use standard HDMI mini port... now we have to buy adapters and ****.. and the phone won't charge if you don't have special adapter.. epic fail imo.. anyway they should include adapters with the phone.
I agree, they should include the required cables and adapters in the box, other manufacturers like Nokia do with their flagship handsets.
I think MHL will ultimately be better than mini HDMI port though, since its looking very likely to become the next standard connection.
I'm hoping to get one of the MHL cable/adapters from the MHL consortium for my Clove Blog review, if I do then I will post up a youTube video for everyone. At the present time the consortium PR person is trying to procure one for me, but it seems likely its inordinately difficult, so remains to be seen whether I will have it in time for the review.
In the very least, you'd expect them to have manufactured and released the accessories by the time the actual phone is released.
lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?prodID=2191847
due to my low post count i cant post this as a link.
have spotted this adaptor for the HTC Flyer, says will be in stock 16/5
I assume this would work guess a little more research needed 1st.
Here you go... It's supposedly the official Samsung Galaxy S II MHL adaptor.
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor
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Here you go... It's supposedly the official Samsung Galaxy S II MHL adaptor.
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor
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First stock due mid-June just saying.
Can someone confirm for me that this is the same cable. They call it an Ethernet Micro-HDMI (Type D).
Edit: Monoprice[)0Tcom has them for like 5 bucks. I can give the link so you can see the cable once I get some more posts in here.
I'm not worried about the Ethernet part, it should not get in the way because the extra connections for it are female.
Also, there is a lot of great info on these forums. Look forward to sticking around and modding some phones in the future.
Edit 2: So when searching for the Samsung cable by Goog'ling the phone, they call it either "microUSB" or "HML port"
That site has two different types that they call: Mini-HDMI (Type C) and Micro-HDMI (Type D) the type C looks like the usual Samsung cable connection, I was just wondering if there is some different way they wired the Samsung cables so that we had to use those ones. I cannot see them doing that though since there are many devices switching to the same cable as well.
The trick is that standard HDMI so far does not include a link for power. The Samsung MHL adapter has a microUSB plug that connects into the phone and a microUSB jack to connect your charger, and the mini-HDMI jack to hook up to the TV so the device gets charged while playing back. In a future specification update, HDMI will probably be amended to include a power link.
Some info here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA
Clove told me that the MHL cables from different manufacturers will be compatible which is useful to know. I guess they all conform to the standard
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Just seen this in the description for the HTC version - interesting
" Also if your television supports MHL enabled HDMI connections, then you can charge your HTC Sensation when connected and control the Sensation using the television remote (MHL enabled televisions expected late 2011)"
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Thats only true if you TV is MHL capable (hint: nobodies is yet).
i dont understand how the phone has is out but the cables are not? how do they know it works if theres no cables lol
I'm looking for a way to play both Spotify from my SGS2 through my Onkyo AV receiver to my speakers, as well as just play videos from my SGS2 through the Onkyo so that I can watch videos from sites like charlierose.com (which uses flowplayer), etc. on my TV.
Should this work? Anyone received their cable from play.com sooner than expected? Hoping it doesn't take the 1-2 weeks.
And what about this cable ?
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ca-156-usb-hdmi-adapter-cable-for-nokia-53688
It is for Nokia but Nokia also supports MHL so I assume it can be used for the Galxy S2 ??
That doesn't look like a MHL cable to me; the small end should have a 5-pin micro USB, and the MHL-to-HDMI conversion requires a bridge chip, which needs to be powered, which is why the other MHL adapters require you to plug in a charger.
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And what about this cable ?
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ca-156-usb-hdmi-adapter-cable-for-nokia-53688
It is for Nokia but Nokia also supports MHL so I assume it can be used for the Galxy S2 ??
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it does not work . I have seen that it does not work being mentioned at many places
one eg:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14433957&postcount=30
edit : also its a usb host cable for nokia and not for samsung
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it does not work . I have seen that it does not work being mentioned at many places
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14433957&postcount=30
edit : also its a usb host cable for nokia and not for samsung
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its actually not a usb cable at all.
its a second cable packaged with the n8 that plugs into a mini-hdmi port on the top of the phone converting it to a regular size hdmi socket to connect to a screen..
still useless for the sgs2
My mistake
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I am looking for an inexpensive USB to HDMI adaptor. There is a huge price range for this kind of device. I have found some online for as little as $12 or as much as $150.
Does anyone know if the inexpensive ones will will work on a Tab 10.1 with a USB dongle attached?
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I am looking for an inexpensive USB to HDMI adaptor. There is a huge price range for this kind of device. I have found some online for as little as $12 or as much as $150.
Does anyone know if the inexpensive ones will will work on a Tab 10.1 with a USB dongle attached?
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I never tried this, but I think chances are very low that any of them will work on android.
They need special driver software to use them as graphics devices. As far as I know, no such drivers exist on android.
So you're looking to bypass the oem product this way?
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/08/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-adapters/
Due to expense?
Struggling to understand why you would not use the HDMI connector that Samsung produces
I am looking for a lower cost solution. The Samsung adaptor is about $40. There are dozens of USB to HDMI devices out there for much less. If they will work when connected to the USB adapter that I already have, it seems like a reasonable way to go.
Fair enough, seems a little like a false economy to me as $40 isn't that much. I suppose it will depend on how much you use it.
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I am looking for a lower cost solution. The Samsung adaptor is about $40. There are dozens of USB to HDMI devices out there for much less. If they will work when connected to the USB adapter that I already have, it seems like a reasonable way to go.
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dsafety said:
I am looking for a lower cost solution. The Samsung adaptor is about $40. There are dozens of USB to HDMI devices out there for much less. If they will work when connected to the USB adapter that I already have, it seems like a reasonable way to go.
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You have to watch out a little with that ...
I assumed you were talking about 'real' USB to HDMI in your original post. As I mentioned above, these need specific driver software.
There are also a lot of MHL devices out there, which use a micro usb connector to get to the MHL signal. These can - e.g. - be used on some galaxy phones. These are not real USB devices. They use an USB connector to get to the MHL signal (which is close to HDMI) and translate that to HDMI.
Theoretically, these could be used with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which also has MHL output). But the normal USB connector for the Galaxy Tab will connect them to the wrong ports.
Moreover, price of the original adapter has dropped much.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-li...p?ie=UTF8&qid=1322575716&sr=8-1&condition=new
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I never tried this, but I think chances are very low that any of them will work on android.
They need special driver software to use them as graphics devices. As far as I know, no such drivers exist on android.
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Hmmm really???
Errr I got one HDMI adapter for my HTC Sensation, it worked out of the box, I dont think your statement is totally true..
Yes driver is included as far as I know anyway, why would samsung make a HDMI device that wasnt supported by Android..Or HTC for that matter..
Is'nt this down to the GPU rather than the Android.???
Correct me if Im wrong of course..But doesnt the Tab have a seperate GPU or Tegra Chip lets say..
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Hmmm really???
Errr I got one HDMI adapter for my HTC Sensation, it worked out of the box, I dont think your statement is totally true..
Yes driver is included as far as I know anyway, why would samsung make a HDMI device that wasnt supported by Android..Or HTC for that matter..
Is'nt this down to the GPU rather than the Android.???
Correct me if Im wrong of course..But doesnt the Tab have a seperate GPU or Tegra Chip lets say..
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Yes, that is correct.
The HTC Sensation also has MHL support. Yes, that is generated by the GPU. And yes, for that the USB connections are reused. So, the MHL output is send through the same lines as the USB lines. There is some nifty hardware in the HTC Sensation to make this work. The same mechanism is used in multiple devices. But it's not USB, so no drivers are needed for that. I guess that the main reason for this, is not having to add yet another port to these devices.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 does not have a USB port. It has a wider port that brings out both USB and MHL (on different lines). So, the normal USB adapter will bring out the USB lines. Hence your HDMI adapter will not work with the normal USB adapter for the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
If you know how to reroute the lines, you might get it to work.
For more info, just look at MHL at Wikipedia. Just a little sniplet ...
MHL is connection agnostic (i.e., not tied to a specific type of hardware connector). The first implementations dual-purpose the most popular mobile connection (micro USB) and the most popular HDTV connection (HDMI). Other than the connectors being used, no USB nor HDMI technology is being used. It is exclusively MHL signalling through the connectors and over the cable. Other proprietary and custom connections are also allowed.
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Has anyone connected their Galaxy S III up to a Motorola Atrix Lapdock?
If I remember well, the Motorola lapdock uses a HDMI plug to connect with the Atrix.
GS3 doesn't have one, you should get a MHL/HDMI convertor. Don't know if it'll work as a native HDMI plug will do.
If someone have both, it could be intereting to see if that work
So I'm going to dust this thread off a bit because this is the project I'm looking to work on -
I've ordered an Atrix Lapdock for my Bionic (very simple mod to dock the bionic) but as my personal phone is an S3, I'd like to use the lapdock with it primarily while still having the option to dock the bionic while on the go (I carry both phones). (While I'm at it, I'll probably look to get an hdmi micro extension cable and usb-micro-male to usb-A-male extension and try and use the lapdock as the base station for the Samsung Slate 7 PC i barely use since the interface is so poor)
Here's what I've gathered by reading various threads.
Lapdock:
The Lapdock will work with any HDMI source as seen in other threads (ie connecting to a PS3 via hdmi female micro to hdmi male standard adapter, $4 part from dealextreme). Others have posted how they can use the lapdock as a self powered hdmi external monitor with their laptop (very cool usage btw considering it's size)
Droid Bionic:
easily docks to the Atrix version of the lapdock by simply rotating the hdmi/micro usb connectors 180degrees in their sockets since they're piped in with short cables.
Galaxy SIII / S3 (mine is the T999):
here's where it gets tricky.
As I've gathered about the 11pin micro usb port (on the S3 and shared by the Note 2):
the original 5 pin MHL standard was ditched in favor of the 11pin MHL type connection. this in theory would allow the use of hdmi output with simultaneous usb otg and charging capabilities.
reviewing this thread here: (showthread.php?t=1953061&page=2) one can see that an OTG cable was modded with a simple resistor to allow for charging - member triff (the OP) was able to get this going and noted the log he got when the cable was plugged in reported 'hdmi fail' which leans to failing to initiate an hdmi connection... later in the thread member MRBR7 alludes to having an hdd running to view while charging on the OTG cable - his post is a bit vague as to whether he did the mod on an OTG cable or an HDMI cable.... i'll have to follow up.
finally, the posts in this thread (first 12 pages are a quick read showthread.php?t=1741583&page=12) provide resistor values and some close ups of the boards for the 11 to 5 pin adapter as well as what I thought was a list of pins for the 5 pin MHL.
I'm really trying to be purposefully clear in this thread as to my findings because it seems there are too many vague threads out there regarding the functionality; simply missing a letter or punctuation in a thread can turn a sure thing into a vague post...
another avenue is the official samsung galaxy note 2 "smart dock" which has 3 usb ports, in additon to an hdmi output and charging input - since this is sold out in the US (and due to PAL vs NTSC Standard I am hesitant to order from germany) it'll be a while before I can personally buy and test one (unless i can find one locally somehow). this seems like the best bet for a dock which can be hacked or adapted to interface the s3 with the lapdock.
my ideal final outcome of this thread would be to have a small cable or interface box which i can plug into the s3 to enable hdmi output + usb otg + charging. that trifecta would connect via a single micro-usb to the device (11 pin) and have an output of a female usb (A or micro, either can be adapted) and either a male or female standard hdmi (again, both of which can be adapted). this cable could enable the phone to be used as an impromptu desktop, carputer, lapdock brain etc...
Lapdock software required...
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What do you mean by that?
The Atrix Lapdock is internally nothing but an 1366x768 HDMI LCD monitor with (rather poor) speakers and an USB-Hub on which a keyboard/touchpad and two free USB-ports are connected to. The monitor and the USB-hub have to be simply attached to any device which supports HDMI-output and USB-OTG via (slightly uncommon) HDMI- and USB-OTG-plugs.
There is no software running on the Lapdock (it is actually completely dumb) and there is no need for any specific SW on the connected device (might be nice to have something like webtop running but it is not necessary).
The S3 works flawlessly with the keyboard/touchpad/USB-hub using a USB-OTG-Adapter and with the HDMI-monitor via an MHL/HDMI adapter cable. The tricky part is only to get both simultaneously and possibly even charge the S3 from the Lapdock. For that purpose I use as long as there is no combined MHL-HDMI/USB-OTG-adapter/dock available (as described in the thread and page already indicated above: showthread.php?t=1741583&page=12 ) the allshare cast dongle and a cheap OTG adapter. You can use office apps, watch videos, play games etc. without any problem. You can check out
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to see how that looks like...
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What do you mean by that?
The Atrix Lapdock is internally nothing but an 1366x768 HDMI LCD monitor with (rather poor) speakers and an USB-Hub on which a keyboard/touchpad and two free USB-ports are connected to. The monitor and the USB-hub have to be simply attached to any device which supports HDMI-output and USB-OTG via (slightly uncommon) HDMI- and USB-OTG-plugs.
There is no software running on the Lapdock (it is actually completely dumb) and there is no need for any specific SW on the connected device (might be nice to have something like webtop running but it is not necessary).
The S3 works flawlessly with the keyboard/touchpad/USB-hub using a USB-OTG-Adapter and with the HDMI-monitor via an MHL/HDMI adapter cable. The tricky part is only to get both simultaneously and possibly even charge the S3 from the Lapdock. For that purpose I use as long as there is no combined MHL-HDMI/USB-OTG-adapter/dock available (as described in the thread and page already indicated above: showthread.php?t=1741583&page=12 ) the allshare cast dongle and a cheap OTG adapter. You can use office apps, watch videos, play games etc. without any problem. You can check out
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Interesting..especially for the 89$ price tag. Long as one can deal with S3 not charging its a simple setup no ?
xManMythLegend said:
Interesting..especially for the 89$ price tag. Long as one can deal with S3 not charging its a simple setup no ?
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Well, I got the Lapdock for less than 70 Euros and I think that is really great value since it is very well build and versatile... the allshare cast dongle is a bit overpriced (currently it is about 55Euros here) for an adapter-replacement but if you need it for different use cases (I mainly have it for a small LED-beamer) it might be worth it.
You can charge the S3 from one of the USB-ports of the Lapdock using a micro-USB cable (as long as the dongle or any other device is connected to the Lapdocks HDMI-plug - that is what signals the Lapdock to power up), but you can not simultaneously use the MHL/USB-OTG then. So it is nice for watching movies from your S3 on the Lapdock-screen (btw. the sound works fine as well) while re-charging the S3 but for "office" work with kb/touchpad you have to replug the OTG-cable. Actually I'm quite impressed with the relatively low power consumption of the allshare cast connection - so that is not a real problem IMHO. There might be people out there to solder the right resistors into OTG-adapter cables to allow both...
One disadvantage is obviously that you have this "bulky" (it is actually lightweight but still bigger than a simple adapter) dongle on the Lapdock. The big advantage over a dock is that you can more or less freely move around the S3 while using this combination.
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Lapdock software required...
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you obviously don't know anything about the lapdock, so please, hang around, do some searching and learn about what it is before posting vague comments that ruin the integrity of a factual thread.
xManMythLegend said:
Interesting..especially for the 89$ price tag. Long as one can deal with S3 not charging its a simple setup no ?
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google 'bens outlet' (a 1saleaday company) and you can pick one up for as little as $50usd! assuming it actually ships out, but worth it for a spare monitor project at the very least... - and yes, not a hard setup at all - the first use in my mind would be just to have a full size screen on the go, however to have a cable capable of mhl/hdmi + usb otg + charging would turn the dock into a powerhouse android laptop using 4g internet etc... (it'll give the chromebook a run for it's money)
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the allshare cast dongle is a bit overpriced (currently it is about 55Euros here) for an adapter-replacement but if you need it for different use cases (I mainly have it for a small LED-beamer) it might be worth it.
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what's this LED beamer? (i'm just intrigued)
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You can charge the S3 from one of the USB-ports of the Lapdock using a micro-USB cable (as long as the dongle or any other device is connected to the Lapdocks HDMI-plug - that is what signals the Lapdock to power up), but you can not simultaneously use the MHL/USB-OTG then. So it is nice for watching movies from your S3 on the Lapdock-screen (btw. the sound works fine as well) while re-charging the S3 but for "office" work with kb/touchpad you have to replug the OTG-cable. Actually I'm quite impressed with the relatively low power consumption of the allshare cast connection - so that is not a real problem IMHO. There might be people out there to solder the right resistors into OTG-adapter cables to allow both...
One disadvantage is obviously that you have this "bulky" (it is actually lightweight but still bigger than a simple adapter) dongle on the Lapdock. The big advantage over a dock is that you can more or less freely move around the S3 while using this combination.
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all very cool - I'm thinking of ordering the allshare dongle just to try this out until the smartdock gets back in stock to hack it apart .. I'll probably order an 11pin mhl in the meantime too. I have a 5pin mhl, not sure what I can do with it without the adapter (i'll probably bundle it with my galaxy nexus and sell it all)
@a32: on a side note, i broke down and bought a Note 2 yesterday haha, so I'll probably be continuing this project with the Note2, (tmo just happened to have some in stock haha) I'm putting my week old S3 up for sale soon, but this project is still on my radar!
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you obviously don't know anything about the lapdock, so please, hang around, do some searching and learn about what it is before posting vague comments that...
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The S3 would need the lapdock .apk for certain functionality... calm down, I've owned enough Motorola Android devices to know what I'm saying...
Thats all... Ben's Outlet would be good plus All4Cellular sells it with the extenders...
Its out of stock now but you can get the extenders separately at a hefty price:
www.all4cellular.com/motorola-atrix-4g-laptop-dock-hdmi-upgrade-kit.html
The hefty priced cables are below, but it is worth the cost:
www.all4cellular.com/motorola-atrix-4g-upgrade-kit.html
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The S3 would need the lapdock .apk for certain functionality... calm down, I've owned enough Motorola Android devices to know what I'm saying...
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Sorry to snap, but if you've been on enough forums, you begin to notice that comments like yours are just add to confusion when unsubstantiated.
Any phone without a 'web top' mode or apk would obviously not work similar to the webtop mode that Motorola intended, however it'll still work, perfectly in fact, because this connection project is akin to hooking up your phone to a tv or monitor and using a usb mouse and keyboard to control it, albeit it's portable, like the padphone.
If you have any ideas as to how one could hookup both mhl/hdmi and usb/otg with charging I'm all ears (the real breakthrough would easily be seeing a US version T999 or similar running with the Smart Dock for the Note 2
Another thought to throw out there is whether this finished product could look similar to the padphone concept: a pocket for the phone to slip into, docking connector inside, basically self contained
As for those extension cables posted, places like monoprice and dealextreme have much better prices and selection, granted I'm just going those links on my phone - i don't understand how those are considered 'adapters' when all they do is extend the port
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Silly question but why would you need software when your using it as a monitor, keyboard, mouse, usb hub & charging?
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Silly question but why would you need software when your using it as a monitor, keyboard, mouse, usb hub & charging?
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You don't.
... that's what we posted already. The webtop SW on some Motorola devices starts a specific desktop and window-manager on your phone when connecting to the lapdock. It may facilitate the use of the apps on the phone via the Lapdock (resolution/size/... of apps in windows etc.) but you do not need it to work with the S3 on the Lapdock.
awesome! im very tempted to get one but in the UK they are still expensive
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what's this LED beamer? (i'm just intrigued)
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A bit off-topic: It is an ACER C20 I own for nearly 2 years now. Like this one:
ecx . images-amazon . com/images/I/41aXbNerVoL._SL500_.jpg
It is out of stock anyway, but I could "partly" recommend it:
It has the size of a phone, a built-in battery and - most important - lots of inputs (mini HDMI (HDCP), D-Sub (24-pin Universal), Composite Video/Audio (2.5mm 4-pin mini jack), micro USB (Typ AB), micro SD Card (SDHC)) + Audio out & speaker. It plays media from internal storage/SD card but that internal media-player is crap. It is however extremely mobile and together with movie players on modern phones like the S3+cast-dongle - or any tablet with HDMI-out or a device with Composite A/V out (e.g. old Nokias) - a nice device e.g. to entertain kids on travel or showing pictures while visiting the grandparents or alike. On the other hand, it is not really bright at all (actually you have to be in a very, very dark room to use larger screen areas) and the battery lasts often only 1/2 hour (but you can charge it with 5V from USBs or use it while on the mains adapter).
It works really nice with the S3 + allshare cast dongle (that's what I bought the dongle for in the first place), has a descent image quality (848x480 pixel) and accepts up to 1080i HD over HDMI as input signal for downscaling but for the dongle the input is of course limited 720p. It does NOT work with the S3 using the cheap (chinese) USB-MHL/HDMI-adapter with the long red cables (somewhere discussed here as well) since that one provides 1080p30Hz (at least to my TV - on which it works) and the projector obviously can't sync to that.
Back to the topic: that cheap HDMI-adapter for S3 works not very well with the Atrix Lapdock; you get an image but it is vertically squeezed. Again: the Lapdock and the S3 + cast dongle go together extremely well.
That led projector sounds pretty cool, I've waffle'd on buying one various times but can't say I've had a particular need other than for the fun of it hah
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Back to the topic: that cheap HDMI-adapter for S3 works not very well with the Atrix Lapdock; you get an image but it is vertically squeezed. Again: the Lapdock and the S3 + cast dongle go together extremely well.
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So I'm guessing you've tested this, but with the hdmi cable and the screen rotation turned on, the device still shows up in portrait? Unless I'm reading that wrong and you mean it's width wise video but looks like a 4:3 video on a 16:9 widescreen?
I wonder if that behavior is present with the official adapter...
So to return to the method of the allshare dongle, does it look like image 1 as i posted?
I recall you mentioned the dongle's hdmi signal is what triggers the docks micro usb port for kb/mouse control and charging, so for clarity i drew the wiring method up.
The next two wiring diagrams are what I'd expect to do as i finalize what the connection should/could look like...
I'm always in for feedback on streamlining the connections - the simple yet two part method will be just having the official smart dock, assuming it works with the s3, powered with one usb port, hdmi to hdmi mini and usb micro to the usb port, though maybe modify the output to delete charging power from the kb/m micro usb port...
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I recall you mentioned the dongle's hdmi signal is what triggers the docks micro usb port for kb/mouse control and charging, so for clarity i drew the wiring method up.
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Sorry, don't have much time and will have a look at your drawings later... The presence(!) of a device connected to the HDMI is detected by checking for a "Ground"-connection of one of the HDMI-pins (from googling I remember it to be HDMI-DDC/CEC) - that's what powers up the Lapdock (and activates the USB-Ports). No need for an already powered device on that HDMI port. The problem is however that there are many HDMI adapters/extension cables out there which do not pass that specific wire/connection and then the Lapdock will not react when using those. There is however no need to buy these overexpensive Motorola cable sets (those prices are unbelievable!)... my adapters & cables cost in total about 9 Euros.
+5V on the OTG-USB cable from the peripheral device (=Lapdock) to the host is not "liked" by most hosts (the S3 did not really react on it but it is probably not a good idea anyhow) so I cut the 5V red wire of the micro-USB(female)-to-micro-USB(male)-cable. On the latter you need something to signal the S3 the OTG mode (pin 4 grounded to 5). I do that quite stupidly using additional USB->OTG-adapters but you would have to take care of that in your MHL/OTC combi adapter with resistors etc. anyhow.
The "chinese" Adapter is vertically squeezed. The S3 goes into the correct HDMI-out mode including the (stock) homescreen to be usable in landscape mode - that is not a problem. Probably the 1080p30Hz mode is not well understood by the Lapdock and/or the adapter does not correctly "negotiate" the right resolution-/display ratio with the display or the quality of the sync signal from the adapter is really bad. That chinese adapter is not too bad for Full-HD TV sets but unusable for anything else. I did not try the official one. The Lapdock works however well with the dongle.
This info is much appreciated. I took the dive and ordered a lapdock from bensoutlet.com for $50 to play with. The regular one is $60 - but the keyboard that adds Hebrew letters was $10 cheaper. I figure the lettering doesn't hurt anything so I'd rather save the $10.
If anybody figures out how to simplify the connections, or perhaps someday enable MHL out + USB host with this thing - please post back.
Right now - I spent an additional $6 on dealextreme.com to get a microHDMI (female) to HDMI male adapter, and a micro usb female to male adapter so I can try to use the keyboard.
The result is going to be pretty cluttered, but I figure $50 is cheap for a portable, self powered HDMI monitor that could also power stuff from it's ports.
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The next two wiring diagrams are what I'd expect to do as i finalize what the connection should/could look like...
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Your drawing No 1 is what I use (see below). No 2 is how it should be indeed (but where is the "modded cable" coming from?). While No 3 will not help you since only the presence of a shortened HDMI-CEC pin (+ opening the display a bit) will power ALL the USB-ports including U1+U2 (that activity mode of the Lapdock is indicated by a small white LED next to the touchpad) - so there is no "pre-power" available. But (again) anything that provides that ground contact on the HDMI-plug will do the trick... I actually have one 90degree HDMI-adapter (don't know how to call it in English), which does exactly that and shortens those pin(s) and simulates to the Lapdock the presence of a device (I assume that is NOT on purpose but it works with a second, identical adapter as well). Don't take me wrong you do not need that one if you conect a device (any) directly to the microHDMI-to-HDMI adapter but it is needed when you use HDMI extension cables (etc.) that do not pass all wires to the HDMI device.
I attached some pics how I wire that thing. Pic 1: the micro HDMI plug on the Lapdock is turned by me by 180deg just to make a bit more room for the microHDMI(fem)toHDMI(male)-adapter. You may directly attach the dongle to it (it is relatively stable and easy to carry around - pic 2). That's what one could call "entertainment mode" since you may want to watch videos etc. this way. But than you have not enough space for the microUSB-cable for kb/mouse. That is what I use the 90deg-adapter for. This adapter alone signals already the Lapdock to power up (no other HDMI-cable or adapter I own does this). Back to pic 1: The microUSB(fem)-to-microUSB(male)-cable has the red 5V wire cut. The microUSB-to-USB + USB-microUSB-OTG(!) adapter is there only to signal the OTG-host mode for the S3. The stuff on the right are things you may use on the free USB-port.
That strange device with the mobile speaker attached to its headphone jack has to be explained: it is a (5 Euro) "USB sound card". That is a bit odd... the Lapdock has stereo speakers which are working well (but not great) and the audio-output via HDMI(cast) to the Lapdock works perfectly (sound is ok and in sync when watching videos & you can control volume etc. from the S3 or the Lapdock keyboard) but the allshare cast SW on the S3 does not allow you to plug in a headphone or connect a bluetooth audio-device to the S3 for output of the video(!)-sound. You can use headphones for mp3-player music while using an HDMI display etc. but when you switch on a video you have to remove headphones otherwise the allshare connection stops. There might be two reasons 1: HDCP, 2: there is a small lag in video display from the wireless transfer protocol and the audio stream is equally lagged on purpose to be well in sync with the video stream. You may want to bypass that artificial restriction because the Lapdock has NO headphone jack ... and you can by using such a "soundcard" which is fully supported by the S3 but the sound is then indeed a bit "in advance" of the video stream.
Less exotic devices you can attach are external disks/pen drives or even game controllers (all of them work)... Pic 3 shows you how I wire it for "productivity mode"
P0ll0L0c0 said:
This info is much appreciated. I took the dive and ordered a lapdock from bensoutlet.com for $50 to play with.
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Thank you. 50$ ! When they are as cheap go and get some (or better get many)! The Lapdock is really, really useful and works with many devices.
I originally bought it for the Raspberry Pi but I use it as well with an Archos A80G9 android tablet (not so often since the tablet is big enough anyhow) which has seperated (mini)HDMI and USB-OTG connectors (as it should have been done for all mobile devices including the S3) and used it for my "old" Nokia N8 (miniHDMI as well). In that case USB-OTG does not work since the N8 does not support USB hubs but you can chrge it and watch movies on the Lapdock display with it (in the train ...). The RasPi is powered via the same cable that is used for kb/mouse. In that cable I did obviously not cut the 5V wire. The power the Lapdock provides this way is sufficient to operate the RasPi (+ wifi dongle) ... about 1A is needed for that. So it should be possible to use that power via that OTG microUSB port for the S3 as well ...
What abot the EDD-S20E dock won´t that work with the lapdock ???
Problem is the dock is useless for my next device in 2 - 3 Years....
The allshare cast dongle might stay usefull even with the next gen of android phones....
Hey folks, im crossposting this, as i believe it didnt get the attention it'd have had i posted this in the accessories forum in the first place
http://forum.xda-developers.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=30249692
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Hey there, i have tried gathering information about this subject and it seems all threads always lead to this announcement:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/29/galaxy-s-iii-new-mhl-connector-also-enables-usb-on-go/
Short: Samsung have changed to an 11 Pin-out to enable USB OTG and MHL Hdmi out at the same time. I purchased an original HDTV Adapter (EPL-3FHUBEGSTD) which as far as i can reliably count indeed has about 11 connectors inside the USB connector that goes into the phone.
Now, i can get HDMI out just fine, but ONLY when i also connect the MHL adapter to a power source (a PC USB Port will do fine), however i have also read, that the phone is able to power the MHL adapter itself but obviously would not be charged then (no surprises there). This does not work however.
Further, connecting a USB OTG cable to the micro usb port on the MHL adapter does nothing. No notification and no devices connecting. No power either, since the LED on my USB Hub does not light up as it should. Connecting any devices to the hub does nothing to change that situation. If i leave out the MHL adapter and connect the USB OTG cable directly to the phone, everything works perfectly. I have tried this with 2 different OTG cables so they are not the problem.
This is an original genuine HDTV Adapter for our phones, which according to that post should be working fine with USB OTG.
AFAIK, this topic --does-- come up more frequently now as i can find a few more discussions about it, albeit none really helpful:
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...-of-11-pin-mhl-connector-in-samsung-galaxy-s3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1743128
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1803079
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link#11-pin_MHL-USB_Connector
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1811435
That wiki entry is the most interesting link as it definitely states that using MHL and USB OTG simultaneously is possible and is also the reason why the 5 pin layout was changed to an 11 Pin layout.
Looking forward to reading your replies!
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Still waiting for USB OTG and MHL at same time. And while I'm thinking about it, I want it all in a dock compatible with my seidio active case. How's that for wishful thinking?
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nightwinn said:
Still waiting for USB OTG and MHL at same time. And while I'm thinking about it, I want it all in a dock compatible with my seidio active case. How's that for wishful thinking?
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I don't see why you would feel the need to ridicule me for bringing up this thread. it's not wishful thinking, seeing as even the wikipedia entry on MHL clearly states it should be possible. There is also a blog entry on the exact same topic and even the movement to boycott samsung accessories have stopped because of this: http://www.galaxymhl.com/
I don't really understand why people aren't looking into this more.
I'm not ridiculing you. I want the same thing. What I said was my legitimate wish list. I haven't bought the mhl adapter because I'm holding out for an all in one solution. I'm still waiting on Samsung to give us a product that does mhl and otg simultaneously.
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I'm not ridiculing you. I want the same thing. What I said was my legitimate wish list. I haven't bought the mhl adapter because I'm holding out for an all in one solution. I'm still waiting on Samsung to give us a product that does mhl and otg simultaneously.
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I'm sorry, i must have gotten that wrong. I find it very confusing Samsung do no release enough information on this in order to make it work. Neither the phone documentation, nor the official 11-Pin HDTV Adapter manual mention this in any way.
I'm waiting also for a dock with MHL+USB OTG at the same time by Samsung, I dont understand why the official MHL adapter does not support this already but I've been searching and I have not found yet any example of both working together. It clearly seems that the MHL 11 pins cable we can buy right now does not support this since nobody has tested it succesfully but what I don't know is if that is related to Hardware or it also has something to do with software. I read a couple of weeks ago that Google was thinking about using the phone as a PC via docking, I think the idea comes from Motorola? So maybe the availability of both connections at the same time is also related with android, who knows, maybe in JB it will be possible...Has somebody tested MHL+USB OTG in JB with the official adapter?
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I'm waiting also for a dock with MHL+USB OTG at the same time by Samsung, I dont understand why the official MHL adapter does not support this already but I've been searching and I have not found yet any example of both working together. It clearly seems that the MHL 11 pins cable we can buy right now does not support this since nobody has tested it succesfully but what I don't know is if that is related to Hardware or it also has something to do with software. I read a couple of weeks ago that Google was thinking about using the phone as a PC via docking, I think the idea comes from Motorola? So maybe the availability of both connections at the same time is also related with android, who knows, maybe in JB it will be possible...Has somebody tested MHL+USB OTG in JB with the official adapter?
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As soon as i get home, i will try flashing this rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1695562
It comes with the latest stock kernel and appearently won't boot with anything else so Samsung must have made some changes to it. In a few hours time I'll be back with information on how that worked out.
I can confirm it NOT working on Jelly Bean. The MHL adapter does provide video HDMI output, but only as long as it is plugged into an external power source. When connecting an OTG usb cable, there is no reaction at all. There has to be some way of getting the phone to power the HDMI adapter. Do any of you folks have a good link to a kernel dev who can have a look into this? There has to be a MHL modul for the USB driver. Ghokanmoral probably has more insight into this...
Summary: USB OTG and MHL work fine separately, but not simultanously on JB using a standard genuine Samsung EPL-3FHUBEGSTD adaptor.
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I can confirm it NOT working on Jelly Bean. The MHL adapter does provide video HDMI output, but only as long as it is plugged into an external power source. When connecting an OTG usb cable, there is no reaction at all. There has to be some way of getting the phone to power the HDMI adapter. Do any of you folks have a good link to a kernel dev who can have a look into this? There has to be a MHL modul for the USB driver. Ghokanmoral probably has more insight into this...
Summary: USB OTG and MHL work fine separately, but not simultanously on JB using a standard genuine Samsung EPL-3FHUBEGSTD adaptor.
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Thank you for trying, well I dont know what to think now...very bad samsung fot not giving information about it...
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I have already contacted Ghokanmoral on this and am hoping to gain new insight into this as he is a very active kernel dev.
I'm also crosslinking another thread on this subject: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30469240
The final result of this is that USB OTG work with the Samsung dock, but not otherwise...and that is why they changed the pins to 11. For the dock to allow for OTG at the same time as HDMI out. Does everyone agree?
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The final result of this is that USB OTG work with the Samsung dock, but not otherwise...and that is why they changed the pins to 11. For the dock to allow for OTG at the same time as HDMI out. Does everyone agree?
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I don't really know how this is accomplished with the dock, but if it works with the dock, I have to think that the same technique could be used to make it work with other adapters, too. If it's a matter of putting a voltage or a resistance across two pins, that would not be a big deal to do.
It was figured out in the thread that this was split off of.
we already found the resistor value to do it, the wiring.. everything.
Anyone try...
Anyone try a usb Y cable which will inject power over a USB and still allow for a separate device to be attached? I would post a link but i'm noob here. You can find it as "UTStarcom USB Adapter Y Cable"
The HDMI part of the split HAS to be powered...but the USB OTG does not. So...if there was such thing as an 11 pin micro usb Y splitter, then the OTG side would work while the powered MHL adapter was on. Essentially this is what the dock does.
Is it possible to create an 11 pin Y splitter? Someone needs to get one of those docks and tear it apart to see how the leads are split...lol
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The HDMI part of the split HAS to be powered...but the USB OTG does not. So...if there was such thing as an 11 pin micro usb Y splitter, then the OTG side would work while the powered MHL adapter was on. Essentially this is what the dock does.
Is it possible to create an 11 pin Y splitter? Someone needs to get one of those docks and tear it apart to see how the leads are split...lol
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You can also power the dock with a laptop dock from motorola: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33825819
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It was figured out in the thread that this was split off of.
we already found the resistor value to do it, the wiring.. everything.
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Can we have a link?
surferpr said:
Can we have a link?
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I think it's this one (at least the potential resistor values are on page 3 or 4)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1811435
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hi guys. i was able to make usb otg and mhl work together just like smart dock.
full description is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2142357