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I have never put much weight behind peoples comments about the Android fragmentation but the Nexus just frustrates me. I have owned everything from an Iphone, WP7 and Android phones and while all have their good and bad points I am starting to see many more bad for Android. I have moved from a GSII to the Nexus mainly because of the new OS and because my provider offered it to me for free on my plan. The three main apps I used on my GSII do not work with the Nexus. One doesnt even show up in the Market and if sideloaded just crashes the other two while they install from the Market they just crash constantly. The removal of features like facebook integration all just make me wonder what Google is thinking. This is just the OS not to mention other flaws with the phone like the volume being so low you have to install an app to hear it ring and the battery life being poor.
I know there will be a lot of people who say that I should root or mod or install this or that but it just proves my point. Apple and Wp7 just wor fork the most part and despite their limitations usually work well. The Lumia series of WP7 handsets get released in a few weeks in Australia and I think I will be going back to WP7 the three apps I use daily are now available for it, it has awesome facebook integration and it looks sexy too. Everything I need or want in a phone right now.
Sorry Google but you have lost me for the time being. I may be back but for the time being I think I will be happier elsewhere.
The Nexus-series devices are geared towards developers, hackers, and other enthusiasts who not only don't mind mucking about with adb but actually prefer it. Not wanting to "root or mod or install this or that" doesn't prove your point - it proves that you bought the wrong device.
The GSII is marketed towards normal consumers. Google stripped out Facebook sync on the Nexus device - that's because of a beef between Google and Facebook. Samsung (I believe) leaves it in on the GSII. Because they are less concerned about being "pure Android" and more concerned with selling a solid product that consumers will like to use.
It's not Android's fault that some developers haven't updated their apps to be compatible with the latest version of Android and the latest hardware specs. Contact the developers of those apps that you can't live without and see what it would take for them to make the app compatible. If they don't know there's a demand for it, they may not bother updating it.
If that's not good enough, I'm sorry. Maybe Android isn't the right fit for you. *shrug* It sure is for me.
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The Nexus-series devices are geared towards developers, hackers, and other enthusiasts who not only don't mind mucking about with adb but actually prefer it. Not wanting to "root or mod or install this or that" doesn't prove your point - it proves that you bought the wrong device.
The GSII is marketed towards normal consumers. Google stripped out Facebook sync on the Nexus device - that's because of a beef between Google and Facebook. Samsung (I believe) leaves it in on the GSII. Because they are less concerned about being "pure Android" and more concerned with selling a solid product that consumers will like to use.
It's not Android's fault that some developers haven't updated their apps to be compatible with the latest version of Android and the latest hardware specs. Contact the developers of those apps that you can't live without and see what it would take for them to make the app compatible. If they don't know there's a demand for it, they may not bother updating it.
If that's not good enough, I'm sorry. Maybe Android isn't the right fit for you. *shrug* It sure is for me.
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Very well put.
I have yet to run into one of my apps that doesn't work in ICS.
It really sounds like the OP bought the wrong phone for themselves. See if you can return it.
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The Nexus I got from my phone provider to be used as my primary phone. It wasnt sold as a developers device or for hacking. Its a consumer device sold to the consumer market. You may buy it for the sole purpose of modding or hacking it but that not what Google sells or markets it as.
Why do I have to have a pretty common feature removed because of a beef between two companies. This was googles descision (probably to boost their google+ service) and it only hurts the end user. Your right no other phones have had it removed.
And your last comment is exacty what I was saying. People who bought an app on an Iphone 3 can still use the app on a 4S and so far the same with WP7. Its a pain that every time an update comes out for Android that it may "break" an app I use.
I absolutely love my Galaxy Nexus. I just loaded on AOSP Kang Milestone 3 and it has literally every feature I had wanted since I bought the phone. I get great battery life, and the UI is so efficient. I wish there was a better camera, and I could go for a 3300mAh battery like the Droid Maxx, but it's still ****ing AMAZING the way it is.
bnathan said:
The removal of features like facebook integration all just make me wonder what Google is thinking. This is just the OS not to mention other flaws with the phone like the volume being so low you have to install an app to hear it ring and the battery life being poor.
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I wouldn't want any facebook integration on my device so cheers to Google for getting rid of them.
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And your last comment is exacty what I was saying. People who bought an app on an Iphone 3 can still use the app on a 4S and so far the same with WP7. Its a pain that every time an update comes out for Android that it may "break" an app I use.
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So, you think that when Apple releases updates for iOS that it doesn't break stuff? The only difference is that developers sometimes get a longer period with the SDK for the new OS to try and fix issues compared to Android, but you really are naive if you think iOS or WP7 won't have broken apps when a new version is released.
Never have I had an app not work after an update with IOS. If thats due to the SDK being out longer then Apple is doing something right that Android isnt. I am not saying that Android isnt without merrit or that it isnt good for everyone but you must adit to the flaws. Look at the number of posts about app compatibility.
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Never have I had an app not work after an update with IOS. If thats due to the SDK being out longer then Apple is doing something right that Android isnt. I am not saying that Android isnt without merrit or that it isnt good for everyone but you must adit to the flaws. Look at the number of posts about app compatibility.
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And who is to blame for app incompatibility? Is Google supposed to stop developing the operating system why every **** and Jane with an application updates their apps to work? It's not Google's fault that developers and companies don't update their applications. You are also looking at probably one of the biggest changes in the Android OS since it started with Honeycomb/ICS, so some things have to be completely re-written which takes time.
There may be flaws with the platform, but there are flaws with everthing. At least with Android, then end user can fix them if they want to, good luck doing that on BB, WP7, or iOS. Also, just because you haven't had an issue with iOS doesn't mean there aren't problems with apps. Then again, I guess it doesn't take much to get your phone to play a fart sound...
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The Nexus I got from my phone provider to be used as my primary phone. It wasnt sold as a developers device or for hacking. Its a consumer device sold to the consumer market. You may buy it for the sole purpose of modding or hacking it but that not what Google sells or markets it as
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Yes, and it is a very good consumer level device. What more can you ask for?
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Why do I have to have a pretty common feature removed because of a beef between two companies. This was googles descision (probably to boost their google+ service) and it only hurts the end user. Your right no other phones have had it removed.
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Welcome to the real world.
bnathan said:
And your last comment is exacty what I was saying. People who bought an app on an Iphone 3 can still use the app on a 4S and so far the same with WP7. Its a pain that every time an update comes out for Android that it may "break" an app I use.
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This has been covered multiple times.
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The Nexus I got from my phone provider to be used as my primary phone. It wasnt sold as a developers device or for hacking. Its a consumer device sold to the consumer market. You may buy it for the sole purpose of modding or hacking it but that not what Google sells or markets it as.
Why do I have to have a pretty common feature removed because of a beef between two companies. This was googles descision (probably to boost their google+ service) and it only hurts the end user. Your right no other phones have had it removed.
And your last comment is exacty what I was saying. People who bought an app on an Iphone 3 can still use the app on a 4S and so far the same with WP7. Its a pain that every time an update comes out for Android that it may "break" an app I use.
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1. The Nexus is a developer tool.
2.Why would Google not want to boost their own products such as Google+? I'm sure if I had a beef with a certain person or company I wouldn't support their product either. Would you?
3. You're right about the iPhone apps. As long as the developer updates to optimize performance with the new iOS. That's a lot of the problems with the apps I used on my Captivate vs. using on my GNex.
If I recall correctly, the reasons Google gave for dropping Facebook support were more about Google's fundamental philosophy regarding the open and free exchange of information. Google lets your bring your information to their service, and you can then take your information away and put it elsewhere. Google was fine with you sharing information from your Google account to your Facebook account. Facebook is more one way - you can bring your information and contacts in, but you can't take that information anywhere else. You could import your information from Google into Facebook, but Facebook will not allow you to export Facebook information to Google. This is the reason Google stopped supporting facebook sync.
its amazing how defensive people get when you give opinion or coment about fault with something they own.
Fact remains (no matter what the reason) Google removed the facebook feature which only hurts the end user. If Apple or anyone else did this you would be all up in arms saying how much better Android is for being so open. HAHA
No matter how you look at it there is compatiblity issues between versions of Android which there arent any (apparently) to IOS or WP7 users. Example... Plants Vs Zombies. I have owned it on al three platforms and on IOS or WP7 I have never had an issue with it working as it should. On my Android phones its breaks between versions. On my Incredible S the zombies would walk off the screen on centain versions. It doesnt run at all on my Galaxy Nexus.
I accept that the average XDA user can fix his or her own issues with ANdroid but the users here are a VERY VERY small percentage of users and for the average user Android isnt as user friendly or stable as the other two.
Since you chose the ignore the same thing on iOS, and also the fact wp7 hasnt seen a major version update.
Go back to those devices, bye
Erm... thanks for your opinion, we're all entitled to one. Stick with your iPhone or WP7 device then mate.
Morale of the story here is that providers will try to sell you what they 'think' you need without asking you.
They don't always listen when they do ask and they certainly don't get it right 100% of the time.
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I agree with pretty much all the comments made here about android.
This is the biggest change android has made to its OS since its birth so certain 3rd party apps will be broken until the developer of the app pulls his finger out and makes it comaptible again. This isnt googles fault.
I dont agree with the statement of the nexus being a developer phone however.
If it was a developer phone and google wanted you to root it and flash custom roms it wouldnt break your warrenty would it.
I had a galaxy s before my galaxy nexus and i flashed literally hundreds of roms onto that phone and OC it and all the rest... Thats not because thats what samsung wanted me to do.
Google have reinvented android and tried to make it consumer friendly.
There isnt a label on the galaxy nexus for the average user that says dont buy this phone unless you plan on flashing custom kernels and roms onto it.
The galaxy nexus is an amazing phone and i personally plan on leaving it stock as long as i can because i really dont think theres too much that needs doing to it that warrants voiding my warranty and risking bricks etc.
Back to the point... Yes if you dont like the phone then dont cry about it, just sell it and buy a windows phone. Why come here complaining? What do you hope to gain?
Maybe you should have tested the phone and done some research before you upgraded.
The Facebook problem is entirely Facebook's fault.
Android provides an API to synchronize contacts. 3rd party apps can add metadata to those contacts (picture, phone number, email, status updates, etc...). These metadata are then available on your phone.
But Facebook thinks they own your data so instead of using the proper API, they do it in a way to prevent you from exporting that data. For example they don't want you to be able to have a list of your friend's emails or phone numbers through Facebook.
Remember the first time you used Facebook? There were options to find friends using a contact list (CSV, email provider, MSN, GMail contacts, etc...). This is exactly what Facebook wants to block from the competition and one of that platform is Android.
There's a reason the Facebook app on the market has 3.5 stars only. It's rarely updated, slow and full of bugs. And they don't seem to listen to users. All they do is copy others because they are paranoid about ending up like MySpace. Their latest copycat is "Facebook Messenger" which puts an icon right next to Google+ messenger with the name "Messenger" as well.
So instead of blaming Google who removed the "backdoor" Facebook used (adding fields to the contacts database directly and causing a mess if you removed the Facebook app then) write a complaint to Facebook. They'll happily ignore you because they don't care about what their users wants.
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Sorry Google but you have lost me for the time being. I may be back but for the time being I think I will be happier elsewhere.
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Bye. I guess we'll survive without you. Or did I miss your groundbreaking contribution to the community?!
Every second somewhere, someone changes their phone. I hope not that many think they need to share their decision here. Have fun with your new phone.
zolah said:
I dont agree with the statement of the nexus being a developer phone however.
If it was a developer phone and google wanted you to root it and flash custom roms it wouldnt break your warrenty would it.
I had a galaxy s before my galaxy nexus and i flashed literally hundreds of roms onto that phone and OC it and all the rest... Thats not because thats what samsung wanted me to do.
Google have reinvented android and tried to make it consumer friendly.
There isnt a label on the galaxy nexus for the average user that says dont buy this phone unless you plan on flashing custom kernels and roms onto it.
The galaxy nexus is an amazing phone and i personally plan on leaving it stock as long as i can because i really dont think theres too much that needs doing to it that warrants voiding my warranty and risking bricks etc.
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Google shouldn't be responsible for your screw ups regardless. If they did warranty hard bricks and other software errors, they'd be out of a lot of money. As you still see today, there are several people on here that brick their phone(or at least think they did) because they can't read ahead of time. Now why should Google be liable for that?
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Google shouldn't be responsible for your screw ups regardless. If they did warranty hard bricks and other software errors, they'd be out of a lot of money. As you still see today, there are several people on here that brick their phone(or at least think they did) because they can't read ahead of time. Now why should Google be liable for that?
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Exactly.
They wont do it because thats not what the phone is for and they wont help you if you mess it up. It is NOT a development tool.
P.S... I have never screwed up a phone yet touch wood and ive flashed lots of my friends phones for them as well as my own...
As I understand it, Apple apparently has patented searching multiple things from the same UI, and Android violates that patent. The judge issued an injunction against Samsung, Google was forced to stop selling the Nexus, and now Google is releasing an "OTA update" to this device which restricts the search bar to searching the web only so they can continue selling it.
http://gizmodo.com/5923895/google-beats-galaxy-nexus-ban-by-making-it-worse
So I'm wondering if anybody has some insights on what this means for us. Will this update be done using the same mechanism that the Market/Play Store updates itself, which would mean that it would impact CM users too?
Also, my wife has the international GNexus running stock - will they cripple that too, even though it's sold overseas? If so, how do they determine which phones will get the update (IMEI maybe)?
All that said - does anybody know how to avoid this update if/when it comes for us?
It means that people running stock ICS and stock JB will have a slightly different method and capability of searching with the Google Search bar. ICS devices will get an OTA to remove the functionality, and the fixes will be baked into the JB OTA also.
Surely custom ROMs will bring back any functionality that was removed by the OTAs or software patches. Only time will tell.
As far as avoiding the update.. I don't see why you would. If you care that much, you're probably just going to be flashing a ROM anyways, which will then do what you want it to do. Don't not accept the OTA because it may change the search bar a little bit... its just going to keep you from getting future OTAs.
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As I understand it, Apple apparently has patented searching multiple things from the same UI, and Android violates that patent. The judge issued an injunction against Samsung, Google was forced to stop selling the Nexus, and now Google is releasing an "OTA update" to this device which restricts the search bar to searching the web only so they can continue selling it.
http://gizmodo.com/5923895/google-beats-galaxy-nexus-ban-by-making-it-worse
So I'm wondering if anybody has some insights on what this means for us. Will this update be done using the same mechanism that the Market/Play Store updates itself, which would mean that it would impact CM users too?
Also, my wife has the international GNexus running stock - will they cripple that too, even though it's sold overseas? If so, how do they determine which phones will get the update (IMEI maybe)?
All that said - does anybody know how to avoid this update if/when it comes for us?
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Cripple? Really? Why are people such sensationalists about the littlest of things? So you won't be able to search for an app or a song on your phone from the search box. It doesn't mean you can't just open the app drawer and find the app yourself or open the music app and search for the song from there, or go into your email and search, etc., etc. All this is doing is adding an extra step, an extra tap of the screen if you will.
And, No, I don't agree with the patent issue and wish it wasn't happening but this is becoming ridiculous the way people act like they're taking away their first born. Either get over it or do something about it. People have started petitions, there are already groups that are trying to reform the patent system, send an email or pick up the phone and call your local Congressman.
I'm sorry for being coarse but this is old news and yet, here we are, in a shiny new thread discussing more of the same. The ironic thing is, theoretically considering that most everyone here is using an Android phone it seems there are a lot of those people who do not know what Google is.
Again, I apologize. I'm just as frustrated about the issue as anyone else but there are conversations in place that have a lot of information, there's no reason to have more than one dialogue. I enjoy using XDA and having discussions and learning new things but I get just as frustrated with having to sift through the redundancy and hyperbole. Sorry, rant over (and out). :silly:
All my search bar brings up is internet results anyways
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This is in JB
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Good news:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57467998-94/galaxy-nexus-ban-temporarily-lifted/
Hi,
I am new to this community, and i have a question about my phone
I want to get GTA Vice City but i do not have the money right now to but it, so i have found the .apk file on apk _
but when i install the .apk, it wont let me play because it does not have the obb files
Apk mania provides me the obb files but where do i save it on the phone so that i could play on it.
I plug my phone in my computer, i go to phone - android but there is not obb files which apk mania tells me to save it at,
Hope someone understands my problems and could help me.
It says i cannot post outside link so i could not provide the apk mania site for gta vice city, but google it
You should not be posting threads about illegally downloaded software.. Unless you want banning?
Not sure
Magician_rd said:
Hi,
I am new to this community, and i have a question about my phone
I want to get GTA Vice City but i do not have the money right now to but it, so i have found the .apk file on apk Mania
but when i install the .apk, it wont let me play because it does not have the obb files
Apk mania provides me the obb files but where do i save it on the phone so that i could play on it.
I plug my phone in my computer, i go to phone - android but there is not obb files which apk mania tells me to save it at,
Hope someone understands my problems and could help me.
It says i cannot post outside link so i could not provide the apk mania site for gta vice city, but google it
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Im not 100% sure on this one but you could try saving the OBB files in the folder where the APK was installed and maybe that would work.
Hope it helps, if not let me know what happend.:good:
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Im not 100% sure on this one but you could try saving the OBB files in the folder where the APK was installed and maybe that would work.
Hope it helps, if not let me know what happend.:good:
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no that would not work. the obb files would need to be stored in the phone in the folder marked 'android'. there you would need to place the files in the folder marked 'obb'
Go to phone android if you didn't find the obb folder then create one and paste the files inside it
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Magician_rd said:
Hi,
I am new to this community, and i have a question about my phone
I want to get GTA Vice City but i do not have the money right now to but it, so i have found the .apk file on apk Mania
but when i install the .apk, it wont let me play because it does not have the obb files
Apk mania provides me the obb files but where do i save it on the phone so that i could play on it.
I plug my phone in my computer, i go to phone - android but there is not obb files which apk mania tells me to save it at,
Hope someone understands my problems and could help me.
It says i cannot post outside link so i could not provide the apk mania site for gta vice city, but google it
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<your internal memory drive>/Android/obb
Your internal memory would be named sdcard0 or sdcard I guess.
If the folder obb doesn't exist, then create it using a file explorer.
Extract the apkmania files, and place the folder inside obb.
Apkmania mentions this on every page. But it's ok, I kind of had it hard the first time too
Hope this helped
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You should not be posting threads about illegally downloaded software.. Unless you want banning?
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Hey man, not questioning any principles, but just a random general query. Aren't ALL custom ROMs and kernels etc illegal softwares in the eyes of Samsung/HTC etc? How does xda decide which are or which are not?
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SacGuru said:
Hey man, not questioning any principles, but just a random general query. Aren't ALL custom ROMs and kernels etc illegal softwares in the eyes of Samsung/HTC etc? How does xda decide which are or which are not?
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I'm certainly no voice of moral authority but I guess you could argue that using custom ROMs doesn't take any money away from Samsung / HTC etc (if anything it probably makes them more money) whereas using pirated software does take away money from the developers.
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I'm certainly no voice of moral authority but I guess you could argue that using custom ROMs doesn't take any money away from Samsung / HTC etc (if anything it probably makes them more money) whereas using pirated software does take away money from the developers.
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I guess you are somewhat right. There just seems to be a superficial difference between 'downloading an illegal software' which this forum approves of, and 'dowloading a software illegally' which it does not.
What bugs me is that some times there remains no difference beetween the two. For example, I use a script to make my external memory card function as my as the internal memory, me being someone with high storage needs, even for applications, than the manufacturer provided 16gb. No one on xda would disapprove of that. However Sammy does, and incurs a loss as otherwise I would have bought a 64 gb model from them somehow.
Have we collectively decided at some point along the line that the big bad manufacturer can be fooled whenever required, whereas the developers who are not as prosperous should be helped?
Please do note that this remains just a query. I support xda and the developers here completely in all they do, along with the very minimal payment (cost of a pint or two) they sometimes ask for, and never wish to go go against the forum rules.
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But you did make a purchase from them. Once you bought it, you're free to staple to your head if you so desire. The flipside is the OP didn't purchase from the developers. If he had paid for, and couldn't get it to work, and was looking for a way to enable it, that's the acceptable route.
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But you did make a purchase from them. Once you bought it, you're free to staple to your head if you so desire. The flipside is the OP didn't purchase from the developers. If he had paid for, and couldn't get it to work, and was looking for a way to enable it, that's the acceptable route.
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That sounds really flimsy.
There are mods and even ROMs which provide us with some special characters on our stock keyboard, which are infact only available on some paid keyboards. Aren't we stealing the right to profit of those developers when we are not buying from them? Of course we are not directly stealing their softwares, but doesn't it imply almost the same thing.
Large sms (>3) get converted to mms by default, which should cost you a little data charge. We use mods and ROMs which include these mods to avoid that data charge, and only pay for a text nessage. That is like paying for a voice call when you have made a video one.
A developer such as apkmania buys the game. Believing in your principles of being free to even 'stapling it to his head' if he so desires, he modifies and redistributes it just so others can play it. And somewhere there, he is believed to overexploit his right. For users like the OP, any such game is no different than a mod, a script which extends the capability of his device.
It all comes down to one's personal opinion. There are people who believe modifying your device or loading custom firmwares on them is downright dishonest. You are right of course, from how you and I see things, but in their eyes there would be no difference between using a custom ROM or a pirated copy of a game.
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put the folder you have downloaded from Apkmania to that path
sdcards0/android/obb
if it doesn't work..so put it in that path
sdcards0/android/data
it should work...but just use the folder name as you downloaded from apkmania
don't change the name of it
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That sounds really flimsy.
There are mods and even ROMs which provide us with some special characters on our stock keyboard, which are infact only available on some paid keyboards. Aren't we stealing the right to profit of those developers when we are not buying from them? Of course we are not directly stealing their softwares, but doesn't it imply almost the same thing.
Large sms (>3) get converted to mms by default, which should cost you a little data charge. We use mods and ROMs which include these mods to avoid that data charge, and only pay for a text nessage. That is like paying for a voice call when you have made a video one.
A developer such as apkmania buys the game. Believing in your principles of being free to even 'stapling it to his head' if he so desires, he modifies and redistributes it just so others can play it. And somewhere there, he is believed to overexploit his right. For users like the OP, any such game is no different than a mod, a script which extends the capability of his device.
It all comes down to one's personal opinion. There are people who believe modifying your device or loading custom firmwares on them is downright dishonest. You are right of course, from how you and I see things, but in their eyes there would be no difference between using a custom ROM or a pirated copy of a game.
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Since we can think every 3rd party software as it is able to be considered together with the main software of the device and also exdends the capabilities of it we have to find another way to determine the difference. This way is to take the developers (or creaters let's say) into account. When Apple sued jailbreak, US court decided people had any right to do with their handsets because iOS software was not to be considered seperately from iDevices so people are free to modify it as they wish. This decision gives us a good perspective of "haking" and "modifying"
For example Microsoft can be defined seperately from your computer. Your PC would be still a PC without a Windows on it. So MS has right to sell it seperately or sue you if you crack it. No one says "I am buying a Windows laptop", people say "I am buying a Asus laptop". But when you buy your phone you say "I am buying an Android phone". This defines the "Android" together with the "phone". So as long as you buy the phone, you buy the "Android" with it and you have every right to modify it within the laws because that is what manufacturers do excatly. You have more right to modifiy it than them because you pay money for the device, they don't! And yet they give you broken software (maybe intentionally, maybe Samsung is collecting info from the memory bug and selling them?)
For a 3rd party app/game which you have to pay "to another creator" to have you have no rights on it (because if you remove the software from your phone, it is still considered as an Android phone working with the features you have been promised)! You do NOT even have anything to claim on the updates. Just because you have Photoshop 3 it doesn't mean you will have PS 5 for free. They are considered seperate softwares from the same "maker". Getting free updates is something that the "creator" of the saftware agreed on to give you more in order to take more from you Google gives you updated software so you can buy your very expensive phone by believeing you can use it for a certain amount of time. Or you can buy an Android phone instead of Apple phone or Windows Phone.
About the "new or modified software can prevent you buying a 3rd party app which as that thing as a feature"; this is a matter of preference. You can say "I have already a keyboard on my device, no need to buy another one", or you can also say "Hey I can theme this keyboard as red and it has a better prediction than the stock one" and buy it. For a long time many features have been getting included by many firmwares and it is OK I believe because this time we have to seperate and define the softwares as "games/apps" and "feature adders".
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I personaly use hacked/cracked software because my country does not allow me to view every content on Google Play and I also have to pay more than anyone on the earth for a device. In Turkey Galaxy Note 2 16 Gb is sold for 1025$ (veries between 1100-1000 actually). I don't think there is a more expensive one in the world. That's my excuse as a student who gets 750$ a month. Once I move to another country or get a good job I will start by supporting the CM team then buy the games.
But although this is my way of "balancing" (I consider myself already paid for the next 100 games by just buying the phone for that price) things or giving a reaction to unfair taxes I believe in supporting the devs. Because so called "big" compaines are NOT even able to support our devices as developers/app makers/game makers are doing here. Samsung is a big fat lier for example. They give us broken firmwares and breake their promises. If it wasn't for the CM team, for example, Galaxy S would be long dead by now.
All other potentially interesting arguments over legal technicalities and attitudes aside; the OP own a smartphone worth hundreds of <local currency> and yet is claiming they can't afford to pay a few <local currency> for a single game. That's bull**** right there. If he just came out and said, "Guys, I'm a cheap bastard who's for help to pirate my software," I'd at least respect him but starting with the excuse of not being able to afford it is nonsense.
Comparing custom ROMs and priated software isn't really comparing apples with apples.
I think of it like this...
Using custom ROMs is like buying a car and then taking it to a tuner to mod the engine.
Using pirated games is like breaking into the dealer and just stealing the car.
Also, no one has ever been busted for using custom ROMs, whereas plenty of people have been trouble with the law for using pirated software.
This thread should be locked and closed.
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Warez is against XDA rules and this is relating to helping someone with warez. If you want the app, support the developers.
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, then pay for it. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained. This is a site of developers, i.e. the sort of people who create such software. When you cheat a software developer, you cheat us as a community
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Wondering if it's worthwhile before I invest time in creating a Mac OS X VM + Xcode to port my android apps to iOS.
lapucele said:
Wondering if it's worthwhile before I invest time in creating a Mac OS X VM + Xcode to port my android apps to iOS.
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just realised this may be the wrong subforum to post the above question. Could this thread be moved?
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just realised this may be the wrong subforum to post the above question. Could this thread be moved?
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Actually I clicked on here thinking myself that this was for "application porting" as I came from the front page, and then it wasn't till I saw you replied to your own thread with the above that I realised? I think there is a bug in the forums, not you posting in the incorrect location?
Anyway to discuss your topic, I have recently downloaded all the necessary stuff to do as you are considering. One thing to be careful of is the fact that Apple from my understanding will give you their wrath if they find out.
Apple software is ONLY to be run on Apple hardware, If they find out (and they have their ways from what I have heard) you instantly banned for life. I guess nothing stopping you starting again, but remember your app is pulled and you kind of couldn't get away with releasing it under a different name account again later on without them knowing?
There's always the cydia market place which I hear is still fairly profitable...up until recently I wasn't even aware that is was a paid market place, I had always been of the impression that it was a hackers market for people who 1) mod their device tweak it like us android users 2) jailbroken (but stock and no alternative to iTunes) 3) People who pirate apps.
However i have learned that it has quite a following an even some developers release on both iTunes and Cydia.
Anyway just my thoughts. I am in contact with a developer that is into the whole cydia thing so if you have any questions you want answers for give me a holla
James
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Actually I clicked on here thinking myself that this was for "application porting" as I came from the front page, and then it wasn't till I saw you replied to your own thread with the above that I realised? I think there is a bug in the forums, not you posting in the incorrect location?
Anyway to discuss your topic, I have recently downloaded all the necessary stuff to do as you are considering. One thing to be careful of is the fact that Apple from my understanding will give you their wrath if they find out.
Apple software is ONLY to be run on Apple hardware, If they find out (and they have their ways from what I have heard) you instantly banned for life. I guess nothing stopping you starting again, but remember your app is pulled and you kind of couldn't get away with releasing it under a different name account again later on without them knowing?
There's always the cydia market place which I hear is still fairly profitable...up until recently I wasn't even aware that is was a paid market place, I had always been of the impression that it was a hackers market for people who 1) mod their device tweak it like us android users 2) jailbroken (but stock and no alternative to iTunes) 3) People who pirate apps.
However i have learned that it has quite a following an even some developers release on both iTunes and Cydia.
Anyway just my thoughts. I am in contact with a developer that is into the whole cydia thing so if you have any questions you want answers for give me a holla
James
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wow thanks for the heads up! i've heard varying stories too. i totally didn't think of the 3rd party app stores.
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wow thanks for the heads up! i've heard varying stories too. i totally didn't think of the 3rd party app stores.
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Just thought I'd mention as I only heard yesterday, but the newest edition of the app store for Apple is called AppCake for Apple. Apparently Apple is now going about systematically shutting down every 3rd party non-apple owned store including the non so legitimate suppliers of of Apple after market hardware products. That means everyone with anything that connects to an apple product that isn't apple or made by apple is a target. Geeese they don't let up do they? Developers mention that Apple will never be able to shut them down :silly: that they can and will do what they like with their iDevices cause they own them.
Oh and other thing to look out for if you go to Apple/iTunes, is this company Lodsys who are world renowned for being patent trolls who are systematically targeting individual developers for breaches in copy right for, get this......'in app purchasing' they claim that they invented it and are now suing several developers from iTunes (them personally) for using the iTunes supplied SDK for in app purchasing. Apple is doing the right thing and trying to defend these developers but the World IP org and US patents office can't do a god damned thing about it until things hurry up and get pushed through a ballot of senators to have groups like them shut down. Until then they are working their best and fastest with trying to sue as many people as they can! Unfortunately for most its a loosing battle as they don't have the money or resources to fight these bastards so they end up paying up. In an new interview I heard one company claimed it was cheeper to settle for 100K out of court than what it was to commit to defending them selves even though this group targeting them was 100% wrong.
But not meaning to scare you...or anything just keeping you filled in. Me personally I would write them a letter saying 4 words on one line followed by 4 words on a second line "Go f*%# your self" "See you in court" and go seek one of my dad's barrister friends to do it no win no fee. Screw that. I would be flaunting that I have in app purchasing sayin come at me bro
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/04/app-developers-lodsys-back
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/hey-patent-trolls-pick-someone-your-own-size
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/...t-patent-trolls-and-not-going-take-it-anymore
Jarmezrocks said:
Actually I clicked on here thinking myself that this was for "application porting" as I came from the front page, and then it wasn't till I saw you replied to your own thread with the above that I realised? I think there is a bug in the forums, not you posting in the incorrect location?
Anyway to discuss your topic, I have recently downloaded all the necessary stuff to do as you are considering. One thing to be careful of is the fact that Apple from my understanding will give you their wrath if they find out.
Apple software is ONLY to be run on Apple hardware, If they find out (and they have their ways from what I have heard) you instantly banned for life. I guess nothing stopping you starting again, but remember your app is pulled and you kind of couldn't get away with releasing it under a different name account again later on without them knowing?
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No you guys are right. This is for porting apps across platforms, but people seem to confuse it with ROM porting.
Q. I know pretty much zero about iOS, and generally have always been anti apple. Are you trying to say that using something like j2 on lets say a virtual box on windows, is somehow a detectable and bannable offense in apple land? It's late and i might be just be misreading, but would like to know.
Mostly because i picked up a job on an Android app, and have been talking a bit about putting the app out for iphones after I finish up the android version, but don't really know where to begin.
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No you guys are right. This is for porting apps across platforms, but people seem to confuse it with ROM porting.
Q. I know pretty much zero about iOS, and generally have always been anti apple. Are you trying to say that using something like j2 on lets say a virtual box on windows, is somehow a detectable and bannable offense in apple land? It's late and i might be just be misreading, but would like to know.
Mostly because i picked up a job on an Android app, and have been talking a bit about putting the app out for iphones after I finish up the android version, but don't really know where to begin.
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My Research and Understanding
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. To run Apple in a VM is in breach of their TOS and Usage policy. It also entitles them to seek prosecution also; so not just a ban from iTunes. Going by Apples past history I wouldn't put it past them? Although now with Tim Cook in charge of things I think Apple is going about things a bit more differently now? For better or worse (people had their opinions of Steve Jobs - personally I disliked him but did appreciate his success and achievements for what they stacked up to be, personal opinions aside it takes a great person to do such) Apple is starting to become a bit more valued in collaborations as this is what Tim Cook always wanted working for Apple that he was never able to have whilst Steve was the master of the helm. Tim Cook was more about getting the job done and sharing. Steve's ongoing vendetta litigations were not Tim Cooks choice and/or advice. He didn't want such things from what I have read? More recently his involvement in legal matters has been observed as retracted and no confronting; he has proceeded to do these actions as part of Steve Jobs dying wishes and nothing more.
As far as I can tell he wants to nothing more than to get things out of the way and over and done with so that he and his company can move on.
My thoughts on this as an observer in the mobile tech industry is that I think Apple has dropped the ball a bit, and it is probably far too little far too late. However with a company with that much money behind it? There's only speculations about what holds in the future of Apple? They are certainly not going away or going to fall in to ruins that's for certain.
What I mean is that, yes there has been a heap of legal stuff seen by Apple and most of it very negative, but my feeling is that this won't be the case here on into the future, so the likelihood of facing a court for breach of Terms of Use are likely to be very small. I am sure that editing a build.prop is considered a breach of Google's TOS for use of a device in their Playstore?
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My suggestion is to give it a try I have had some issues setting up my VM but have got all the necessary resources including all the software. I have just become too busy and it is not high on the priority list at the moment. I wanted to try gain an understanding of how Apple detects it's visitors. I mean iTunes is cross platform Windows and Mac (There is no release for Ubuntu or Linux AFAIK? only Wine type hacks) I know when I visit the iTunes webpage I am automatically prompted to download a Windows installer package. So they must have some form of automatic detection? Being that the likes of Virtualbox uses a shared internet connection I would speculate that you would need to choose the correct adapter settings so that your VM is seen to be a running physical machine and not a able to be identified as a shared connection or virtualised connection?
I didn't get this far as my installation has many issues. I still have the VM though for future interest. Feel free to PM me if you give it a try and don't succeed and I am happy to share what things I discovered in my problem solving.
Understanding Limitations for Cross Platform Mobile Development
As for the porting to OS's I believe there are many offerings around now that provide developers with a cross platform arrangement. Essentially only the UI resources need to change and then that plugs into a framework structure for your application to run in. You compile the code individual applications that are specific to the platform but you ARE able to develop your main code independent of the platforms. Languages such as Flex or Rubi on rails are going to be your best bet from my research?
Things You Should Consider
1. Single code repository
2. Individual application frameworks - compilation of application runtime for independent OS type
3. Limitations are stipulated and governed by what is allow at the lowest possible denominator. i.e. You can only build code into your single code repository that can accessed by the functionality of both(or all) platforms. What I mean is that there is no use building a single code repository that uses a function that is limited on one platform and not the other, another example is restrictions dictated to you by the likes of such companies like Apple. They have a strict guidelines and what is potentially available to you may not be in its context. Just because certain functionality is available to you in the Apple platform and you have even seen it in use on Apple devices does not necessarily mean that you can build and release it. In it's context Apple may not like what you are doing with your app and not approve it.
Your single point of code and it entirety has just shrunk in functionality to both devices now. So be careful and Anticipate what you might think the outcome is for your Application facing such scrutinisation and what it could possibly mean for your project as a whole?
On this note I have heard of developers making scripts and add-ons for their said central repository that allows them to restrict things ats compile time. For instance having greyed out selections in menus and a toast like notification to users like "Sorry this functionality is only available to Android users" and things like that.
Hope this helps contribute towards people considering on such ventures. Do your research. Find out what types of apps have been rejected from being published and find the reasons for why?
lapucele said:
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I will check it in next week
So we are in 2014 in case alot of you haven't noticed. I just read a report how banking apps on Android are more vulnerable that Apple's (watch-out it's gonna be Apple's new selling point), but for obvious reasons I could understand why (say FREEDOM!). Anyways...should everyone now be required to be running an antivirus in our Android devices, just like is a MUST to be running one on our Windows platform? Is it still early to worry about that? Has anyone gotten spyware, trojans, worms, or any malware in that matter in their phones so far? What your opinion fellas?
if you only install from playstore and from trusted parties, then no need; however, if you run bootleg apks and stuff from torrents, i would get one. Antiviruses eats battery and really have no purpose for android, if you are a safe installer. Just hit the thanks button
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if you only install from playstore and from trusted parties, then no need; however, if you run bootleg apks and stuff from torrents, i would get one. Antiviruses eats battery and really have no purpose for android, if you are a safe installer. Just hit the thanks button
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I second this answer. Of course I also download apks from the internet, but only from a developer that has it posted here on xda. If you are aware if what you are installing, then you should be OK.
Sent from the phablet of the year!
Typically your biggest threats are from nefarious publishers who have earned trust on the play store, and an antivirus is going to do little to protect you.
And that is exactly how I feel. Just like on Windows, you have to practice common sense (sorry, there is not an app for that unfortunally), if it looks suspicious and/or if not from a known source then don't open it or install it. Also, unless is inconvenient to you, keep your data/wifi off until you need it...you will also get better battery life as a added bonus.
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