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Disappointed... just a little bit

First I just want to say if your going to flame me then F*** you, this is a forum and I live in America... so freedom of speech and such...
I must say that I'm a little dissapointed in Sammy's lack of support yet again with this device where they are supporting the international version but we here state side get the shaft just like with the original gs versions. My phone before this was the Samsung vibrant and if it wasn't for great development there would have been Jack squat to do on that phone. I can only imagine what the og epic went through. Now while I appreciate what the devs for the ET have managed to pull of for the device so far which is pretty impressive.... but I think that fact the AT&T GSII has cm7 miui and a booming device community is BS just because its innards are so close to the euro GSII... Sammy needs to get their **** together and give our devs the tools they need to get this community exploding! I love my phone but I like the majority of he people here love to flash and flashing and flash and flash and flash and with only 3 or 4 Tom's to choose for I'm frankly getting bored...... so am I disappointed? Yea, a little bit...
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mauricehall said:
First I just want to say if your going to flame me then F*** you, this is a forum and I live in America... so freedom of speech and such...
I must say that I'm a little dissapointed in Sammy's lack of support yet again with this device where they are supporting the international version but we here state side get the shaft just like with the original gs versions. My phone before this was the Samsung vibrant and if it wasn't for great development there would have been Jack squat to do on that phone. I can only imagine what the og epic went through. Now while I appreciate what the devs for the ET have managed to pull of for the device so far which is pretty impressive.... but I think that fact the AT&T GSII has cm7 miui and a booming device community is BS just because its innards are so close to the euro GSII... Sammy needs to get their **** together and give our devs the tools they need to get this community exploding! I love my phone but I like the majority of he people here love to flash and flashing and flash and flash and flash and with only 3 or 4 Tom's to choose for I'm frankly getting bored...... so am I disappointed? Yea, a little bit...
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First off, your first line is know way to start a thread. If you feel the need to start a thread that way, maybe you shouldn't start it?
Second, Samsung has nothing to do with what our devs or gsm devs do with the phone. GSM has more users and because we are CDMA it takes longer to get things like CM and MIUI working on our devices.
Next time you start thread telling people F U, you might want to get your f'n facts straight and like you said it is America and it is freedom of speech so everyone has a right to say what they want about your thread.....
This thread = fail!

I thought Samsung was in the business of making money, not keeping us happy.
sent from my Epic 4g Touch

coldblooded79 said:
I thought Samsung was in the business of making money, not keeping us happy.
sent from my Epic 4g Touch
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They tie together. Samsung makes great phones and they come with the latest software. Only problem is when an update comes, we're usually last to get it. Not that it's bad or anything, they're just slow. I do wish, however, that they'd step it up by fixing the LoS and soundpool bug. We'll see how it goes this time around. Epic just got GB this week. Took them nearly a year after GB was released.

You will really be disappointed when T mobile version gets CM before us. They have a different chip-set so it should be harder, in theory.

[email protected] said:
First off, your first line is know way to start a thread. If you feel the need to start a thread that way, maybe you shouldn't start it?
Second, Samsung has nothing to do with what our devs or gsm devs do with the phone. GSM has more users and because we are CDMA it takes longer to get things like CM and MIUI working on our devices.
Next time you start thread telling people F U, you might want to get your f'n facts straight and like you said it is America and it is freedom of speech so everyone has a right to say what they want about your thread.....
This thread = fail!
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VERY well put.
mauricehall said:
I love my phone but I like the majority of he people here love to flash and flashing and flash and flash and flash and with only 3 or 4 Tom's to choose for I'm frankly getting bored......
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And I'd like to point out that this guy flashes "Tom's" instead of "ROMs".
Maybe that's the problem. Of course his grammar, spelling and punctuation are a problem as well.
That is all.

AnAm85 said:
And I'd like to point out that this guy flashes "Tom's" instead of "ROMs". Maybe that's the problem. Of course his grammar, spelling and punctuation are a problem as well.
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Thats the android keyboard auto correcting rom to tom...

The devs have given us plenty to flash for the time being. That was a long story considering the only disappointment I have with the phone is 3 letters LOS
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[email protected] said:
First off, your first line is know way to start a thread. If you feel the need to start a thread that way, maybe you shouldn't start it?
Second, Samsung has nothing to do with what our devs or gsm devs do with the phone. GSM has more users and because we are CDMA it takes longer to get things like CM and MIUI working on our devices.
Next time you start thread telling people F U, you might want to get your f'n facts straight and like you said it is America and it is freedom of speech so everyone has a right to say what they want about your thread.....
This thread = fail!
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First off I didn't point any fingers at anyone but flametards like yourself who go around trolling the forums, i was expecting someone like yourself to take that line as bait and just like a troll you bit!
Secondly, Samsung has almost everything to do with what our devs can do. if you followed the OG ET then you would have seen what can get done with no source codes. HTC releases the source for their phones and they usually have a great dev community... So by simple mathematics I deduced that source = good dev community and no source = slow dev community. Also by simple mathematics I was able to deduce that your flame = predictable+expected+double Fail!
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Yea lets see if sprint would be so kind to take it back over a month after I purchased it... Your missing the point, I love the phone but wish Sammy would stop being stingy with the source! Truth be told I love the phone and if there was zero development going on I would be satisfied with it but bored as hell!

AnAm85 said:
And I'd like to point out that this guy flashes "Tom's" instead of "ROMs".
Maybe that's the problem. Of course his grammar, spelling and punctuation are a problem as well.
That is all.
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LMFAO hahaha

You know how you get more Roms for the SGS2. Buy all the developers in the EVO section an SGS2 and you will have a lot more Roms.....

I agree with you op about the source code. I think the flaming is being done because how you started your post. Not the nicest of ways to do it. Besides there are very young kids on here as well.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!

mauricehall said:
First off I didn't point any fingers at anyone but flametards like yourself who go around trolling the forums, i was expecting someone like yourself to take that line as bait and just like a troll you bit!
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People say that all the time after they get owned. "bla bla bla bait, bla bla bla you bit". Same old crap from people who obviously have no clue what they're talking about. Maybe you just need to take an oxy and chill out buddy.
CDMA is more difficult to work with than GSM. How do I know this? Well I've used both. You can flash the crap out of a GSM phone and the odds of you truly bricking it are slim. CDMA, different story. You flash the wrong partition and everything is toast.
"Secondly" The T Mobile version will probably be even easier to develop for than any other given it's SOC. Sure it's different but development for the Snapdragon vs. Exynos? No comparison. Part of the issue is Sammy but I understand their waiting. ICS was just released, albeit they had it well in advance because of the new Nexus. They are holding off on giving us anything because they're focusing on ICS for all their compatible phones. It's sucks but I'm more than happy to wait.

mauricehall said:
First I just want to say if your going to flame me then F*** you, this is a forum and I live in America... so freedom of speech and such...
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Um, I also live in America, and realize this is a privately run forum in which freedom of speech does not exist. They can edit and delete any posts they feel like.

mauricehall said:
First I just want to say please flame me then F*** me, this is a forum and I live in 'merica... so freedom of speech, lack of grammar, punctuation, and such...
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Fixed OP.
I may be a relative n00b, but at least I know how to use this forum. A little bit of effort scrolling through this forum alone would have yielded the previous five posts THIS WEEK about the same "lack of source code/ICS/development" etc. The devs are working for free. Samsung, in order to turn a profit, sell more than one model. To the best of my knowledge, they do not have a single team of dedicated developers working on our phone for us.

**sets Claymore in this thread**
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I cannot wait for cm9! should make this beast what I bought it for!

[README] New? Before flashing any ICS-based rom, READ THIS

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ICE CREAM SANDWICH!!
Before you consider it though, READ this. Read it closely.
The goal of this thread isn't to be dramatic at all. There was no big issue...this topic didn't really have to be posted.
But the idea is to purely be helpful. Not everybody who surfs these forums knows everything that's going on and its nice to have all the information in one place. I hope this information helps you determine whether or not the ICS leak is good for you.
There are common issues among all ICS-leak based ROMs. I hope this helps a lot of you since I've seen the same questions in a lot of ROM threads, over and over.
Mods if you can sticky, +1!
#0: A LITTLE BACKGROUND
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When I say "ICS-leak based ROMs", I am saying that the current state of ICS roms on the T989 is that they are based on the ICS leak for our AT&T cousin, the Skyrocket. Thus there are still issues.
That being said...flash Skyrocket roms at your own risk.
Common issues in ALL leak-based roms:
(* Does not neccesarily apply to Raver's AOSP build, it is FUNDAMENTALLY different so read his topic and follow his posts *)
Call echo for about 50-75% of us. A temporary solution is to play around with your case(if you have one on your phone) OR turn off Noise Reduction while in a call
There is no Wi-Fi calling
Shutdown doesn't work for some people. THIS IS WHY YOU MUST SUPERWIPE!! (See #3)
Some video streaming problems
Some video recording problems (depends on ROM)
Some AT&T specific modifications that can give you problems. I.E. there is no 2G/4G toggle switch
Point is: THEY'RE NOT PERFECT YET
#1!
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BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING
If you don't know what ClockworkMod is and how to access the Recovery menu,
STOP here. Look around, read some tutorials, and immerse yourself in some basic Android knowledge.
This can mean the difference between frying a $250+ device and running a cool ROM on it. Do what you do wisely.
Keep your battery charged and make backups.
#2!
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MAKE A NANDROID BACKUP
This is the same as using the Backup and Restore menu in CWM. You have been warned. The devs aren't responsible for lost data.
#3!
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BEFORE FLASHING ICS ROMS
Super super important:
Run this script via CWM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1477955
THIS WILL WIPE YOUR PHONE...and align the partitions properly for ICS
Run it again. Do it twice to be safe!
Then flash your ROM.
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PATCH YOUR ACCELEROMETER
Without this, your phone will not AutoRotate, games and many media apps will give you headaches, and your CAMERA WILL BE BROKEN.
Most of the ROMs here should have this patch built in. If you're a dev and haven't added it in yet, please do so !!
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592170
#5
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WHEN LOOKING AT THE DEVELPMENT TOPIC
Use the topic search function before you post a question.
I'm not a topic police officer. I don't really care what people post in my own topics as long as its not bickering. But asking questions when they've already been asked does take up space and makes the topic harder to sift through so please be courteous to the devs Do yourself and all of us a favor. Look through it first! This is a cycle...if people look through the topics before posting, their question will be most likely answered and then they will not need to post. The topic gets less cluttered and the next person who has a question has less pages to look through
And different OP's have different requests for their topics. Please be courteous.
THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION
I can stand with Raver in saying this. As a matter of fact, I plan on collaborating with him.
The point is:
XDA isn't about competition. It's about innovation. So please don't say X ROM is better than Y ROM, everyone has their own taste.
TO REPORT BUGS
Follow the instructions in the ROM dev's OP.
I'm actually going to make a Mantis bug tracker for our ICS ROMs. Devs and themers, let me know if you're interested via PM.
GOING BACK TO GINGERBREAD?
Although the ICS roms are fairly stable at this point, some of you may wish to go back to Gingerbread for whatever reason. Before flashing back to GB: REPEAT STEP 3 ABOVE, DO THE SUPERWIPE!

must read if your new to ics
This should be sticky or like placed in the top 5 spots or something where people are sure to read it.
Oh ya if you missed it
DARKSIDE WIPE MULTIPLE TIMES!!!

Just asked a mod to sticky it

yaldak said:
Just asked a mod to sticky it
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BTW that is some amazing you pulled on the rotation. Straight boss
Your thanks/post ratio says it all

I understand what you say of the att roms
But I've been running skyics for a while now and my phones fine.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium

JaZart said:
I understand what you say of the att roms
But I've been running skyics for a while now and my phones fine.
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This is true. Which is why its a caution / at your risk thing

sound advice in this sticky. superwipe really gets the job done.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using XDA

um I think this is being a little over dramatic... plus there is another thread stating the current state of all ICS roms. I think this should be closed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using Tapatalk

To add and not that it maybe required, after running super wipe a few times I have ran samsung_ultimate_kernel_cleaning_script_by_lippol94 which has given me almost perfect results with any ICS flash I have done.

iloveandroid16 said:
um I think this is being a little over dramatic... plus there is another thread stating the current state of all ICS roms. I think this should be closed.
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Here's my take on this. What's the first thing someone is going to be looking for when going to their phones section on xda? "Development" right? Now thnknof how many people, more specifically those with the xda app, go to "stickies" for information first?. My guess is not the majority. This thread is also clearly labeled as to what it is and is formatted so anyone can relate and understand. Therefore while I see that you think its the same I vouch it stays. Until we get our own version of ics we and the more bugs are fixed or found, this sticky would prove useful. It also keeps random questions or repeat questions out of from threads.
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iloveandroid16 said:
um I think this is being a little over dramatic... plus there is another thread stating the current state of all ICS roms. I think this should be closed.
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The goal wasn't to be dramatic at all. There was no big issue and I'm not a topic cop...IDC what people post but to make it easier for everyone in general its nice to have a little primer.
But the idea is to purely be helpful. Not everybody who surfs these forums knows everything that's going on and its nice to have all the information in one place. You'll be surprised.

iloveandroid16 said:
um I think this is being a little over dramatic... plus there is another thread stating the current state of all ICS roms. I think this should be closed.
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Agreed. You guys and your wipe 3 times.. lmao..
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using XDA

I think it's great right here. Especially for those who are new, don't know how to search, are mentally slow on finding stuff. It's right here in your face when you walk into the Dev section. Don't close this. Just because some people know enough, doesn't mean others do. I know, but there's still a lot of people who don't.
TerrorCandii™ Gaming

The post was appreciated, not for me but I know for some who are new as replied above. Many forget that there are people out there that are not as perfect as they are. Remember, you once were as newb as those who are (new) here. Treat others as you would wanted to be treated.
Although ICS is nice and I have had great results it's just so early in dev stages I must go back to the darkside.

To clarify....cani use the skyrocket ics roms such as skyics and have working data? How? Someone here posted that they did.
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}{Alienz}{ said:
To clarify....cani use the skyrocket ics roms such as skyics and have working data? How? Someone here posted that they did.
Sent from my SGH-I727 using XDA
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Yes, you can flash Skyrocket roms. I have flashed several of the ICS leak roms, and have not lost data connection. I just wipe and flash. No issues for me.. other than having to de-att it.
If you loose data then try a superwipe?
This thread, while informative, does make it seem like a "big deal " but it really just isn't. They are the same flipping phone!!! And now that one of our local geniuses have figured out the auto rotation issues, we are golden to share in all the SR ICS love
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Sorry for the double post..

Okay toned it down a notch.
But again I will reiterate that I did not make this topic because this is a big deal, its not. I made it because we will have new visitors and I want to help them get started

yaldak said:
Okay toned it down a notch.
But again I will reiterate that I did not make this topic because this is a big deal, its not. I made it because we will have new visitors and I want to help them get started
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I think alot of the issues people have which are common across many ICS leak based roms but that only a percent of users get are purely due to the way the rom was flashed. Clearly you dont need to do all the wipes but if you dont and you get one of these bad rom flashing bugs then dont complain to the dev.

PJcastaldo said:
This thread, while informative, does make it seem like a "big deal " but it really just isn't. They are the same flipping phone!!! And now that one of our local geniuses have figured out the auto rotation issues, we are golden to share in all the SR ICS love
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using XDA
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Curiously, that "local genious" is the very same guy that started this thread!! So at least for that reason (gratitude) you should just let it be...you dont need it? Fine, we heard you...no problem, but im sure someone will benefit from it.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using XDA

What is going on....

Hi all
I am not a big active poster here but love to run different toms on my phone...
I came here from the EVO forums after a switch the the E4GT.
It seems like every time I pick a ROM it goes dead right after I flash it.
Started on Blazer...No activity for months
Moved to AOKP and a couple of days later the thread implodes and is completely gone.
Yesterday I installed paranoidandroid and that thread gets closed.
Why is everyone ditching their roms? or removing the threads when they still contain critical information that is useful?
Thanks

I dont think anyone is ditching their roms. Sometimes they just wait for something better like the ICS OTA or for source. But you have to remember that the devs have a life outside of deving. Maybe their are facing personal issues that doesnt give them time to update their roms.
Sent From E4GT CoNsTriCtEd bY B0A
"I will find you. And when i do i will Troll You."

einsteins said:
It seems like every time I pick a ROM it goes dead right after I flash it.
Started on Blazer...No activity for months
Moved to AOKP and a couple of days later the thread implodes and is completely gone.
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Please don't pick the ROM I'm on... you have bad luck.
Try Calkulin's... solid dev since the WinMo5 days.
-Daryel

daryelv said:
Please don't pick the ROM I'm on... you have bad luck.
Try Calkulin's... solid dev since the WinMo5 days.
-Daryel
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Calk is leaving. Remember, work phone/changing jobs. lol

There are a lot of good, active ROMs out there. Spend time in the Dev section and read through the comments, you'll be able to pick up what's still active very easily.

Things will also pick up when ICS ota comes and source drops.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium

There's always a dip before an update. I speak from experience
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D1rk said:
I dont think anyone is ditching their roms. Sometimes they just wait for something better like the ICS OTA or for source. But you have to remember that the devs have a life outside of deving. Maybe their are facing personal issues that doesnt give them time to update their roms.
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"I will find you. And when i do i will Troll You."
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please dont misunderstand me....I fully respect the Devs have a life...I was mainly talking about Threads dissapearing or being locked. If I dev needs time that is fine as you still have the thread to ask questions or reseach issues. Once the thread goes away or is closed you are limited in your options.
Sorry if I was misunderstood...

If I deleted a thread it was because it needed to be deleted, for reasons that may not be known to the common member. There's a lot that goes on behind the scene, its not just cut and dry.
---Jay--- From the AOKP'd Nexus

Blazer has only gotten so far since ICS started leaking, I mean your coming in pretty late in the phones life. I always liked Calk's rom but since CM9 got so far so quick I am sticking with that for the life of the phone. AOKP will pick up eventually.

i think paraniod android just moved locations but is still active.

einsteins said:
Hi all
I am not a big active poster here but love to run different toms on my phone...
I came here from the EVO forums after a switch the the E4GT.
It seems like every time I pick a ROM it goes dead right after I flash it.
Started on Blazer...No activity for months
Moved to AOKP and a couple of days later the thread implodes and is completely gone.
Yesterday I installed paranoidandroid and that thread gets closed.
Why is everyone ditching their roms? or removing the threads when they still contain critical information that is useful?
Thanks
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I too am coming from the EVO and EVO 3D and the type of dev support and activity you are used to for those two phones just isnt the same as for the epic. We have great devs in here it just seems like they arent as active as they are for the EVO series of devices I also dont think you have near as many ROMs to choose from either.

cas8180 said:
I too am coming from the EVO and EVO 3D and the type of dev support and activity you are used to for those two phones just isnt the same as for the epic. We have great devs in here it just seems like they arent as active as they are for the EVO series of devices I also dont think you have near as many ROMs to choose from either.
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I would say you haven't spent near enough time in the Dev section if you don't think our level of support is on par with other phones.
Also, to the comment regarding number of ROMs, you're talking about a phone that is over two years old (EVO) and a phone that is barely 10 months old. Yes I know the EVO 3D isn't much older but it already had a base to build on coming from the OG EVO.
Besides, we're a community that believes in quality over quantity.

cas8180 said:
I too am coming from the EVO and EVO 3D and the type of dev support and activity you are used to for those two phones just isnt the same as for the epic. We have great devs in here it just seems like they arent as active as they are for the EVO series of devices I also dont think you have near as many ROMs to choose from either.
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I would say you haven't spent near enough time in the Dev section if you don't think our level of support is on par with other phones.
Also, to the comment regarding number of ROMs, you're talking about a phone that is over two years old (EVO) and a phone that is barely 10 months old. Yes I know the EVO 3D isn't much older but it already had a base to build on coming from the OG EVO.
Besides, we're a community that believes in quality over quantity.
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Now that^^^^ answer to one above ^^^ was right on point. You are not a true android enthusiasts if you cant see the difference between these roms. Honestly I go into the Evo forum since I was a big part of that forum for a year and all I see is the same rom split in 12 different pieces. In this forum there happens to be some pretty great developers and all working on different stuff. The roms you happened to pick were by the same guy. So if his life has sent him in a different direction and he can not keep putting out quality work then either you pick it up for him or choose a different rom.
Sorry man not trying to be harsh but I just dont believe in the nice guy crap. It is what it is. Loved the Evo but in the beginning over there it was the same as it was over here. Not sure if you remember but there were like 2 roms out for a while and the steps to root were crazy(like 40 steps). My friend jump on CM9 lay back and enjoy the ride or hey you can always go back to an Evo3d

i didnt come from any other phone except the intercept(crap). and i think that CM9 has the most activity of the roms, only bcuz there are soo many phones that have been ported. and Esoteric68 is right the EVO has had way more time to come out with roms. and our phone is still fairly new compared to the EVO series. but you gotta make do with what you have, once source comes out for ICS for our phone, we'll have more roms and more things going on.

graffix31 said:
i think paraniod android just moved locations but is still active.
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Unfortunately I think its more than that... guys go read the last few pages here and this is the reason why you loose developers. Some of you have got to learn to how to relax especially if you are leeching and can not or have not contributed yourselves.

Man, its sad about Paranoid....I'm using that rom right now and loving it! But ever since I joined xda, I have seen a lot of closed threads due to drama...I guess that's life though
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kpakpo89 said:
Man, its sad about Paranoid....I'm using that rom right now and loving it! But ever since I joined xda, I have seen a lot of closed threads due to drama...I guess that's life though
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Yes its because so many users think they are the chosen 1. I mean xda is a hell of a place if you know how to use it. I have learned to do so much just by searching these threads with any issue I have. I have themed my own stuff made changes to the system files and basically tweaked the hell out of my phone just by searching the web. My attitude is I am damn sure not the first person to ask whatever question I have to ask and knowledge is the key(hmm heard that somewhere)
With people demanding stuff and claiming stuff is broken when they are the only ones with the issue and then addressing it rudely in a thread does not make a developer WANT to do anything for you. I could go on for a while on the BS I have seen.
We need to take what these developers have given us and be grateful as well as learn how to fix some of this stuff ourselves. If you can not help yourself then either ask nicely or #gositdownsomewhere
*rant over* Playya Out!

Noooooooooo I think its because of the trollz...
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Dam trollz are everywhere...
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I am using ParanoidAndroid atm and it seems awesome! I hope some avenue opens so that it can stay current.

Ok, this is getting ridiculous

Alright, 2 of the best Rom threads were closed in the last day because this community is going down the drain. I have never seen so many terrible and entitled people in my life. AOKP and Paranoid Android were 2 roms that I and KBizzle had asked to be ported to our phone, TCP and KBizzle were so gracious and awesome that they came through for me. Now a lot of the people in the threads are thinking that they (KB and TCP) owe them something and can order and talk down to them when they post a new Rom and something like 4G doesn't work, or the browser. Get over yourselves and realize that this is all done for free in their spare time, they have lives and work to do, not be at y'alls beck and call for a new build everyday. The EVO and Nexus S communities were and still are soo much friendlier and nicer to all the devs for their hard work and time put into their work. All I can ask for is everyone to stop with the attitudes and start contributing if you think they are too "slow" for you. I would ask a MOD to clean all the stuff up but I believe there is too much garbage to go through everyday. I hereby volunteer myself to be an AOSP MOD for the DEV section, I will go through the AOSP threads and delete all the garbage.
That is all. I am tired of losing roms and devs because people here are so rude.

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Wtf!!!!! Why is this happening I love paranoid Android...

I love paranoid Android too
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Love aokp sad to see that.

Damn shame there's always A GROUP OF IDIOTS that ruin things. K biz is always so good at replies & helping, just all around good developer. In the light of the gsIII on its way, it's sad because it's just a little bit easier to lose more talented gentlemen. I would like to say thankyou to kbiz and others as well im thankful for Ports & Roms. I actually followed the paranoid tablet rom & I'm still on alpha 3 with the tablet theme just for 4g however i'd never criticize a developer for a feat. Not working, & i wish others would do the same.
I truly hope the thread being closed will be reconsidered! For some of us it's just that much more difficult to figure out how to PM. Hell i can't even upload a pic lbvs. Just keep in mind that once you reach "Celebrity" status idiots are gonna come out in #'s man but just remember the fans willalways out number haters! and it would be an injustice for your amazing art to be shelved! Remember "1 monkey don't stop no show"!
And for the record i changed my avatar to reflect my love for "paranoid Android"!

This ends up happening on XDA for every device I've had so far. I know users are ridiculous, but it's just as ridiculous to take your ball and go home. Quit updating, that's fine, but many times they lock down threads and stop hosting the files.
I'm an official moderator for BioWare, and I guarantee this community will never get as unruly and entitled as the Mass Effect 3 fans. I don't get paid to do it, I can't accept donations either, and I haven't gotten mad and stormed out.
Perhaps, if they can't take the stress of handling people, they should use volunteer community managers for their ROMs.

SkuzFoz said:
This ends up happening on XDA for every device I've had so far. I know users are ridiculous, but it's just as ridiculous to take your ball and go home. Quit updating, that's fine, but many times they lock down threads and stop hosting the files.
I'm an official moderator for BioWare, and I guarantee this community will never get as unruly and entitled as the Mass Effect 3 fans. I don't get paid to do it, I can't accept donations either, and I haven't gotten mad and stormed out.
Perhaps, if they can't take the stress of handling people, they should use volunteer community managers for their ROMs.
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Devs don't need community managers, as each one of the people that follow a rom should do their part to learn and help develop. Rom users are not customers, and should not expect customer service.
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ppl just need to shut the **** up w/ petty complaints and taking personal digs at devs. appreciate what you get; i'm not saying don't report issues or be afraid to ask for help; but there's a proper way to go about that sort of thing. as an end user on a hobbyists rom you aren't really entitled to **** folks, if u want things so bad learn to develop urself. a donation is not the same thing as purchase.
edit: also asking for ETA on roms is one of the worst things u can do, that **** was old before u even thought about typing it.

What is the eta for this thread closing
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husker apollo said:
ppl just need to shut the **** up w/ petty complaints and taking personal digs at devs. appreciate what you get; i'm not saying don't report issues or be afraid to ask for help; but there's a proper way to go about that sort of thing. as an end user on a hobbyists rom you aren't really entitled to **** folks, if u want things so bad learn to develop urself. a donation is not the same thing as purchase.
edit: also asking for ETA on roms is one of the worst things u can do, that **** was old before u even thought about typing it.
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Agreed.

I appreciate all of the kind comments in this thread. If i could have everyone from the general section in the dev section, life would be grand. PA isnt dead, just taking some time to work.
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I will leave this here as well.
This goes for everyone...including devs, themers, and contributers....I dont care who you are, you will not act like children on here. I have a life outside of XDA and enjoy it very much. I enjoy XDA just as much but this childish crap is done.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27503849&postcount=33

Completely agree i also came from the evo communities and i really don't get why these ROM USERS feel such a sense of entitlement to that ROM as if they wrote it themselves. It's pretty pathetic but i feel your pain brotha!
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Papa Smurf151 said:
I will leave this here as well.
This goes for everyone...including devs, themers, and contributers....I dont care who you are, you will not act like children on here. I have a life outside of XDA and enjoy it very much. I enjoy XDA just as much but this childish crap is done.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27503849&postcount=33
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Hey papa loved your stuff on the og evo how you feeling these days? You all better now?
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cas8180 said:
Hey papa loved your stuff on the og evo how you feeling these days? You all better now?
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Healthy as an ox. Just trying to get this e4gt section cleaned up now
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KBizzle said:
I appreciate all of the kind comments in this thread. If i could have everyone from the general section in the dev section, life would be grand. PA isnt dead, just taking some time to work.
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this is great to hear. thank you kbizzle for what youve done. PA looks so cool, i hope to try it out some more very soon.
...also, thanks to Jay and PapaSmurf for cleaning this stuff up so we can get on to the great roms coming out and not having to weed through the catfights

And thats why they stop releasing roms cuz of ppl like this guy above
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I wish the the rules for the developer section besides the 10 post or more" can't post any replies or comments unless you have contributed (developed anything) at least two things on the forums". This would definitely cut down ungrateful posts, and for the ones that could actually post would actually know that contributing anything is not that easy and would not take things for granted. I came across some sites like that required you to at least contribute whatever,haha. It would actually make xda developers, a hardcore developer site.

It happens everywhere the evo3d was the worse I have seen thus far devs dropped like flys for a good bit over there, its lame really but some people are just like that about everything in life lol.
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CM n AOKP custom Roms not worth on Note2

Back to stock rom with root....I got no clue why developer never mention lill bugs like switched of charging animation bug , camera Gallery broken + spen not wifi tethering etc. working at this stage ...
But a tip for users who flash CM or AOKP build .that it still Beta version no clue why Devs do not make it clear for Users on post...that its beta version for note 2 yut...and Note 2 is such a awesome hardware till now that it only worth with stock rom ..support only..like multi window n Spen features rich ...cheers ....fellow Galaxy note 2 users .....No offense to any person just not worth it at all.
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djmax81 said:
just not worth it at all for me with my particular usage of the device and specific preferences
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Fixed.

Charging off animation ....still presents and wifi ...
Which rom u talking abt I tried all latest update.
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My first post was kinda in response to sweeping statements and value judgements made by you about the work of AOSP/AOKP Devs, but anyway...
I've tried pretty much all the AOSP/AOKP ROMs that are currently published on XDA, and the following presented absolutely no issues for me whatsoever in my usage of them:
- SentinelROM
- LiquidSmooth
- RootBox (unofficial)
- Slim Bean
I certainly didn't have any issues with WiFi but, I have to say, I don't give a flying $%#* what my screen-off charging animation looks like, so I never paid attention to it (and, therefore, can't comment on it).

@ Mr BenRoark
BenRoark said:
My first post was kinda in response to sweeping statements and value judgements made by you about the work of AOSP/AOKP Devs, but anyway...
I've tried pretty much all the AOSP/AOKP ROMs that are currently published on XDA, and the following presented absolutely no issues for me whatsoever in my usage of them:
- SentinelROM
- LiquidSmooth
- RootBox (unofficial)
- Slim Bean
I certainly didn't have any issues with WiFi but, I have to say, I don't give a flying $%#* what my screen-off charging animation looks like, so I never paid attention to it (and, therefore, can't comment on it).
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I give No Rats Ass Either .that how and what your Usage is or was .. but wanted make it clear .....and click point Stock is Stock is an Stock is the best as per my scale .... else like its less gay .so wanted to share ...with other Users .though i'm also into Development for Android on other devises ... and do not think CM or whatever rom it worth a even try ....at this stage ...if u wanna kill your phone then go ahead .i'm happy with Sammy's rom...
Cheers :good::good:

I find almost everything satisfiable with aosp such as Slimbean or CM such as Sentinel except for the battery performances. I get almost half the battery life compared to stock based and that about it. However, everything you've mentioned in OP is irrelevant as most of them have been fixed and a few such as battery logo when charging is not important.
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Seeing as you're basically copy and pasting your posts from the Rootbox thread into this one, I'll do the ssme:
He's hardly trolling. Do you even know the meaning of the word? It doesn't mean disagreeing.
Why would you expect a rom which has nighties being released to be perfectly stable with every single feature working? Nightly is pretty much synonymous for beta when it comes to ROMs imo.
Also, you have to realise that not everyone's needs are similar to yours. I personally never used multiwindow and rarely even use the S-pen, even though it technically works just as well on ROMs like this (and for my purpose of note taking it actually works better seeing as I can now use the S-pen button as an eraser rather than taking a screenshot)
Also the fact that this is on 4.2.2 and I can use lockscreen widgets is a huge plus over stock for me, dashclock is immensely useful.
Although some parts of it are out of context (see the rootbox thread to read it in context) my points still stand.
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In 4.2.2 ROMs we have new features and we lost a few ones. A choice must be done between custom stock based ROMs and AOSP based ROMs.
I often see some claims because S-Pen doesn't work, MultiWindow, AirView... You have to understand what you flash!
Since I tried AOSP I never came back to Stock based ROMs. Atm I have Rootbox rom by Bajee and everything is working fine with one nightly per week.
Concerning charging animation bug, I remember that flashing a custom kernel solved this issue (Redpill kernel I think but the battery life is not very good except of Hyperdroid).
Of course we have bugs on AOSP Roms but don't forget that Samsung FWs also have big issues! SDS & Exynos exploit have been patched a long time after the discovery, Aroma Installer crashes on some Custom ROMs,...
Samsung official products aren't always good too. Just have a look at Samsung Kies which generates a lot of damages!

djmax81 said:
Back to stock rom with root....I got no clue why developer never mention lill bugs like switched of charging animation bug , camera Gallery broken + spen not wifi tethering etc. working at this stage ...
But a tip for users who flash CM or AOKP build .that it still Beta version no clue why Devs do not make it clear for Users on post...that its beta version for note 2 yut...and Note 2 is such a awesome hardware till now that it only worth with stock rom ..support only..like multi window n Spen features rich ...cheers ....fellow Galaxy note 2 users .....No offense to any person just not worth it at all.
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Why would anyone with more than half a brain expect Samsung specific features like multiwindow or the S-Pen, to work on CM or AOKP? Do you even know what CM or AOKP roms ARE?

Hi everybody. Seeing the presence of many CM/AOSP users here, may I venture to ask for your submissions in the Grand ROM Survey for N7100 in the neighboring thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232765
I'm asking so that we can have an objective, quantitative measure of the "goodness" of a ROM. 59 ROMs are represented (based on the INDEX thread), with 170 selectable versions.
Please give it a try. Even the OP here can rate his favorite ROM(s).
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worth or not, it is not yours to speak..if you dont like it just dont use it, im also not a fan of aosp or custom rom but I respect their work, so I hope this kind of thread wont be here anymore, because it is really annoying
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@djmax81
Please remove or edit the OP, I remember you from the Streak5 forum buddy, don't shame yourself this way man, please at least edit or clean it, it is very disrespectful to the whole community not to the devs alone but to All.
Peace,
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FloatingFatMan said:
Why would anyone with more than half a brain expect Samsung specific features like multiwindow or the S-Pen, to work on CM or AOKP? Do you even know what CM or AOKP roms ARE?
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Of course I knw ....CM and AOKP sir .....im using android since years by now n bet got better device's then you I bet ....and about development ...I was ....developing ...it .. do u even knw what Android stand for any clue abt java or php? Booo ya
Check the post I just said ......at moment CM or any AOkP based roms sound not worth a try for me .....and just shared abt it ....with other users ....depending on usage it sound not good as I give no rats ass for multi window n s spen but think basic ....stuff
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djmax81 said:
Of course I knw ....CM and AOKP sir .....im using android since years by now n bet got better device's then you I bet ....and about development ...I was doing ....developing ...it .. do u even knw what Android stand for any clue abt java or php? Booo ya
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I know considerably more about Android and Java than you apparently do about making a coherent post, or English.

You really are quite juvenile, aren't you?

abauer said:
@djmax81
Please remove or edit the OP, I remember you from the Streak5 forum buddy, don't shame yourself this way man, please at least edit or clean it, it is very disrespectful to the whole community not to the devs alone but to All.
Peace,
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Is' nt a free world .....I just considered CM based roms not worth as daily driver yut ....as my scale ...n its my post ....if people do not like it ....then just do not read ...if not worth attention
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FloatingFatMan said:
You really are quite juvenile, aren't you?
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So are you .! Mr ....just read post above n suite ya self ....
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Well this thread started off on a bad note and has done nothing but get progressively worse as it went on.
To everyone involved here in the future if you have issues with something posted or someone either report and move on or take it to PM because arguing in the open forums has no benefit to anyone.
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