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Root then update or update then root?

Trying to figure out if I should root using the original method the install updated rom or do ota then root with new method. Is there a benefit either way? The one thing I was worried about was it seemed like there were issues with installing updated roms. Anyone have an opinion on which root method is easier?

jkcpsal said:
Trying to figure out if I should root using the original method the install updated rom or do ota then root with new method. Is there a benefit either way? The one thing I was worried about was it seemed like there were issues with installing updated roms. Anyone have an opinion on which root method is easier?
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Post this question in Q&A or reply to one of the root threads and ask it. This really clutters up this forum.
Also, just root then update.

Dont Update
Never do an OTA (OVER THE AIR) UPDATE....IF YOU WANT ROOT IN THE FUTURE
What you need to do is root then flash a rom that is built off of the newest update.
and BTW post threads in the right forums so next time you wont get you ass ripped

yeah sorry was just thinking it was relevant not a forum expert though will move or delete thanks for the reply

jkcpsal said:
Trying to figure out if I should root using the original method the install updated rom or do ota then root with new method. Is there a benefit either way? The one thing I was worried about was it seemed like there were issues with installing updated roms. Anyone have an opinion on which root method is easier?
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As the others said, this should be in Q&A. To go into more depth though on why you want to root then update, all of the more recent root efforts are based around flashing an earlier version of the stock rom to allow rooting. If you were to update and then root you would be going forward then backward in order to go forward again (ie. update, downgrade, root, update). Doesn't make much sense.

+1 Root then unlock nand then flash custom, no need to update, most customs are based off of newest update, as previously stated of course

[Q] Does Unlocking and Rooting stop/effect OTA updates

Hi guys I was just wondering if I unlock and root my stock GSM Nexus, not installing CWM or any custom roms at all just keeping it stock (aside from Superuser, root). Does that stop or affect the OTA updates from google at all.
I did a search but its all basically about putting on CWM and flashing roms and pretty much all rooting help apps I found seem to want to install cwm as well so I'm curious if once I root it is my only way of updating is manually flashing roms myself

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1441478

Ahh damn my search skills must suck but I still have to say that the answer was a little vague too
Rooting will not affect OTA updates. If you make any changes to anything outside /sdcard/ it'll cause problems. Manual update will not wipe the device.
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I guess it means your fine and update will work as long as you don't go modding the original files ?

The thing is that i asked this question several times, and every time i get different answer..
I have also rooted my phone and unlocked bootloader, without any custom cWM or custom rom.. I have changed bootanimation (its in system, so its outside sdcard).
Will i be able to get OTA update, to see it and to install it ?
Thanks in advance

Laynee1 said:
The thing is that i asked this question several times, and every time i get different answer..
I have also rooted my phone and unlocked bootloader, without any custom cWM or custom rom.. I have changed bootanimation (its in system, so its outside sdcard).
Will i be able to get OTA update, to see it and to install it ?
Thanks in advance
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You should still get your OTA updates. They may break the root on your phone though but thats not really a big deal.
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Laynee1 said:
The thing is that i asked this question several times, and every time i get different answer..
I have also rooted my phone and unlocked bootloader, without any custom cWM or custom rom.. I have changed bootanimation (its in system, so its outside sdcard).
Will i be able to get OTA update, to see it and to install it ?
Thanks in advance
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You get a different answer because there are a lot of people who have no clue what they are talking about, passing on wrong information.
First of all, there is a difference between "getting" an OTA update notification, and having it install. Those are two separate things. You will get the OTA update notification. Whether or not it will install depends on many things, and it changes with every update. The update has a series of "asserts" or verifications that it runs through to make sure all the files it is going to update are there. You wanna know which files it checks? Don't be lazy - open up an OTA zip file and look at the updater-script file and go through it. There you will see yourself what files need to be stock. Doing it yourself is the only way to learn. Trusting a bunch of xda members who don't know what they are talking about is not the way to learn...
Having said all that, having an unlocked bootloader or having root will in no way impact your ability to receive OR install an OTA update.
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Thanks to both of you... The thing is that i really look forward to get 4.0.3 .. I dont want to flash custom roms, i want it all stock .. Im not asking about ETAs or smt.. Im just wishing for 4.0.3 . I heard that a lot of things are settled into 4.0.3.. Lags are gone, bugs are fixed..

Laynee1 said:
Thanks to both of you... The thing is that i really look forward to get 4.0.3 .. I dont want to flash custom roms, i want it all stock .. Im not asking about ETAs or smt.. Im just wishing for 4.0.3 . I heard that a lot of things are settled into 4.0.3.. Lags are gone, bugs are fixed..
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Unlocking or rooting does not mean you are going to flash custom ROMs...
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The only thing that will affect OTA is when you load a custom recovery onto the phone. THAT'S THE ANSWER!
Edit - These things also can affect OTA
Modifying or removing a file that is checked/patched.
Having a different radio installed.
Having a different bootloader installed (possibly).
Having a different kernel installed.
Have modified your build.prop to show a different version.

efrant said:
Unlocking or rooting does not mean you are going to flash custom ROMs...
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Ye i know .. I have unlocked bootloader and rooted phone.. But i dont want to flash any custom rom.. I wanna keep it stock.. Just , im saying i cant wait for OTA 4.0.3

jd1001 said:
I have seen this questions posted a number of times from the same user. The only thing that will affect OTA is when you load a custom recovery onto the phone. THAT'S THE ANSWER!
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..and an incorrect one at that. That is not the only thing.
Having a custom recovery will:
Prevent being able to install the OTA
Not stop the ota notification or being able to download it.
Other things that will break your ability to install an OTA, even if you do not have a custom recovery loaded (you can still get notified and download):
Modifying or removing a file that is checked/patched.
Having a different radio installed.
Having a different bootloader installed (possibly).
Having a different kernel installed.
Have modified your build.prop to show a different version.
You can install an ota if you modify the udapter-script if you know what you are doing even in the above scenarios (using a custom recovery).

adrynalyne said:
..and an incorrect one at that. That is not the only thing.
Having a custom recovery will:
Prevent being able to install the OTA
Not stop the ota notification or being able to download it.
Other things that will break your ability to install an OTA, even if you do not have a custom recovery loaded (you can still get notified and download):
Modifying or removing a file that is checked/patched.
Having a different radio installed.
Having a different bootloader installed (possibly).
Having a different kernel installed.
Have modified your build.prop to show a different version.
You can install an ota if you modify the udapter-script if you know what you are doing even in the above scenarios (using a custom recovery).
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Well thanks for correcting me eventhough I wasn't actually wrong in what I said.
Thanks for adding those bits too I had no idea that other mods could affect OTA although I have read here a few times that the bootloader won't affect OTA. There should be an actual topic on this because with all the information floating around it is confusing.

Just a nuance in your choice of words...
Having a custom recovery will not prevent you from installing an OTA, but it will prevent the OTA from installing automatically on its own - you can still manually flash it through your custom recovery...
The second list should be items that "may" affect OTA, rather than "will", since it is dependent on the individual updater-script...
I think we're on the same page though...

danger-rat said:
Just a nuance in your choice of words...
Having a custom recovery will not prevent you from installing an OTA, but it will prevent the OTA from installing automatically on its own - you can still manually flash it through your custom recovery...
The second list should be items that "may" affect OTA, rather than "will", since it is dependent on the individual updater-script...
I think we're on the same page though...
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Totally agree! Sometimes it's just frustrating becaus eeveryone thinks they know the right answer when in actual fact people post rubbish that is incorrect. I am guilty of it too but I always go back and edit when I make a false statement.

danger-rat said:
Just a nuance in your choice of words...
Having a custom recovery will not prevent you from installing an OTA, but it will prevent the OTA from installing automatically on its own - you can still manually flash it through your custom recovery...
The second list should be items that "may" affect OTA, rather than "will", since it is dependent on the individual updater-script...
I think we're on the same page though...
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No. Any signed ota package...the above will affect it. Going by what JBQ said, where every ota should include radios...I'd say I worded it ok.
Also, there is a darn good chance that the custom recovery will stop the install even manually...if it checks the recovery version for an update. That is fairly common. That said, if you remove asserts and know what you are doing, then sure you can flash manually.

This is the sort of uncertainty I am talking about. We should create a new topic and nail it down finally!

Here is a way to nail it down:
If you have modified your system in any way aside from rooting, then your chances of being able to install an ota update are greatly diminished.

adrynalyne said:
Here is a way to nail it down:
If you have modified your system in any way aside from rooting, then your chances of being able to ota are greatly diminished.
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Ha ha ha sorted!

adrynalyne said:
No. Any signed ota package...the above will affect it. Going by what JBQ said, where every ota should include radios...I'd say I worded it ok.
Also, there is a darn good chance that the custom recovery will stop the install even manually...if it checks the recovery version for an update. That is fairly common. That said, if you remove asserts and know what you are doing, then sure you can flash manually.
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No OTA update to date has checked the recovery. In fact, every OTA update to date has forced a flash of the stock recovery.
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[Q] Rooting question/advice

I have been unable to find a thread that discusses my issue. Samsung GS3/AT&T (SGH-i747) I have been using a stock ROM rooted until AT&T pushed an OTA update to 4.0.4 baseband I747UCLH9. Now Superuser logs show Superuser, Avast and ES Task Manager had root access accepted, but Titanium and another app (Root Checker) are being denied.
a. am I still rooted and just need to tweak something?
b. If i re-flash superuser will I be sorry?
I don't really want to flash a new ROM or wipe. Any advice including links and steps would be greatly appreciated.

Just a disclaimer: I am a noob to Android. Having said that, I also rooted my AT&T GS3 and then without even thinking accepted the OTA update. The update to UCHL9 build wiped my root. Again since I'm a noob, I spent hours reading through posts to figure out what happened. I finally found some good information in posts on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
On page 110 of the thread there is a post by 'haywood' that I followed to root my device again. Of course, I did have to wipe and flash again which I understand you do not want to do.
Maybe reading through some more of the posts on that thread will lead you to a different method.

madge22 said:
Just a disclaimer: I am a noob to Android. Having said that, I also rooted my AT&T GS3 and then without even thinking accepted the OTA update. The update to UCHL9 build wiped my root. Again since I'm a noob, I spent hours reading through posts to figure out what happened. I finally found some good information in posts on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
On page 110 of the thread there is a post by 'haywood' that I followed to root my device again. Of course, I did have to wipe and flash again which I understand you do not want to do.
Maybe reading through some more of the posts on that thread will lead you to a different method.
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lol I went looking for that post and ended up reading through 4 pages lol. Thanks for the tip, Just for future reference you can right click on the post number and copy url and paste it for a link to a specific post like so http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31816685&postcount=1100 as not everyone has the same setting for page display, your page 110 was my page 22 lol.

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NVWSSV said:
I have been unable to find a thread that discusses my issue. Samsung GS3/AT&T (SGH-i747) I have been using a stock ROM rooted until AT&T pushed an OTA update to 4.0.4 baseband I747UCLH9. Now Superuser logs show Superuser, Avast and ES Task Manager had root access accepted, but Titanium and another app (Root Checker) are being denied.
a. am I still rooted and just need to tweak something?
b. If i re-flash superuser will I be sorry?
I don't really want to flash a new ROM or wipe. Any advice including links and steps would be greatly appreciated.
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Some OTA updates will wipe out your root permissions. You can get around this using SuperSU or RootKeeper. With rootkeeper you just backup your root permissions, update via OTA, and then go back to Rootkeeper to restore root. Worked for me going from UCALG1 to UCLH9.

I have had a few different android devices that didn't want to give root to TB and a few other apps. I would suggest downloading SuperSU from the play store (it's free) and seeing if your TB will get root then. Definitely check in to an OTA rootkeeper so that it will back up your SU + busybox in the likely case that an OTA you try to install will wipe root. On that note, if you removed any bloat or system apps, the OTA's will fail. I think that also applies to build.prop and other system mods too, because trying to update my AT&T S3 has been a nightmare since I flashed stock rom w/ root injected and removed a few apps. I came to the conclusion that for me, it is much easier to just flash a custom ROM + kernel (I recommend Codename Android + Lean Kernel) via ClockworkMod Recovery and never worry about updates being pushed on me from the carrier. There are definitely more options that way, because YOU choose when you think it is worth it to update, but there is much more room for error, so do your research, and then do it again just to make sure!
I'm new to XDA, we have to start somewhere, right? :good:

Thinking about rooting...

So I really love my phone the way it is. But I do want root because there's a couple things that I like to do and rooting is required. However, if I root and if there's an update for my phone. Do I have to go back to STOCK get the new updated version and then root? Or can I be rooted and when a new stock update comes out can I still update it and maintain my root? I know when root you cant do over the air can I just download the file and flash via odin?

5 android phones in the past, and you STILL have to ask this question??????
Sounds like you are the type of person who should NOT root...

wase4711 said:
5 android phones in the past, and you STILL have to ask this question??????
Sounds like you are the type of person who should NOT root...
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Not helpful.
rayoubi said:
So I really love my phone the way it is. But I do want root because there's a couple things that I like to do and rooting is required. However, if I root and if there's an update for my phone. Do I have to go back to STOCK get the new updated version and then root? Or can I be rooted and when a new stock update comes out can I still update it and maintain my root? I know when root you cant do over the air can I just download the file and flash via odin?
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I think the developer Chainfire has an app that will let you root and still get OTA updates. Poke around for his thread in the developers section to find it. I'll try to link it here in a few. Also I'm pretty sure you can go back to stock anytime you want, again Poke around in the developers thread for the download that can be flashed via odin.
However if you root, and install a custom recovery you will always be able to get the latest updates much earlier by flashing the roms that the developers will inevitable update much quicker than waiting for carrier updates. check the site galaxynote2root.com for a super easy one step process to both root and install Clockworkmod all in one to them be able to flash the Roms.

Update firmware while rooted

Hello there
Im thinking of rooting my phone with the exynos abuse. I heard it no longer works with 4.1.2, my phone its still in 4.1.1, is there a problem if I root first and theb update to 4.1.2 so this way I will have root access? Or is there a problem updating while rooted?

LOL forget about crappy kies or ota and always download latest Roms then flash them with Odin it takes only less than 5 minutes

yahyoh said:
LOL forget about crappy kies or ota and always download latest Roms then flash them with Odin it takes only less than 5 minutes
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I'm fairly new to android (two weeks or so) I'm afraid I will brick my phone by flashing it with roms or so, all I want is to root it to delete the bloatware and install apps that require root access.
So, can I root it, then install the firmware update or is this not possible?

Dunphe said:
I'm fairly new to android (two weeks or so) I'm afraid I will brick my phone by flashing it with roms or so, all I want is to root it to delete the bloatware and install apps that require root access.
So, can I root it, then install the firmware update or is this not possible?
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welcome to android world
Root will probably disable ota updates but maybe u still can use kies to update ( not sure though )
if u want any help just go to this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1896696

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yahyoh said:
welcome to android world
Root will probably disable ota updates but maybe u still can use kies to update ( not sure though )
if u want any help just go to this thread
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I can confirm that updates through Kies do not work if your have a 'modified' device, well at least they didnt' for me.
You will have to flash the new rom. I recommend using Mobile Odin as you can give your device root access again at the same time as the rom flash.