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Can the GN ever be as smooth as an iPhone 4S?

Alright, you're gonna be mad about the topic but I'm being honest here.
I never had a nexus phone and I was hoping that if I got a Galaxy Nexus, the phone wouldn't stutter (in browser and in apps) and it does. On websites the stuttering when scrolling is annoying. The phone is fast (home screen, app drawer, settings) but a lot of apps are jittery and not fluid.
I'm running AOKP Milestone 4 with Lean Kernel v2.4.
So my question is, is it possible to get the Galaxy Nexus to be as smooth as an iPhone? Some reasons would be good because there's no doubting the 4s is very fluid with rare if any hiccups.
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what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone.

AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast.

The selling point if the iphone 4s is Suri.
My buddy tried to show it off and it didn't work at all.
He was really embarrassed.. It screwed up everything.
I showed him my nexus, and then I proceeded to pull 15 down 13 up in a speed test.
Boy was he jealous of my Nexus.

If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.

also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock.

RobbieCrash said:
If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.
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That's a poor analogy. The ROM devs are not building these ROMs from scratch, they are making relatively small changes to the code provided by Google. A better analogy would be assembling an office desk from IKEA (store that sells put-it-together-yourself furniture for you non-U.S. folk) vs having a carpenter friend put it together. Sure your friend might drill a hold here or there to make the fit better, but he isn't carving the shelf out of lumber.

-- also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock. --
stock browser and chrome are jerky but the stock browser is a little better
Stock software was slow for me too, worse than AOKP M4
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-- what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone. --
XDA, web browser, maps
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-- AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast. --
Ok I'll try bugless beast ans see if it helps
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client

Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.

BlackDino said:
android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.

Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?

qtx said:
Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?
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Yes, it's turned on

matt2053 said:
Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.
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The iPhone 4 is smooth as well and the GPU isn't as good as the iPhone 4S

[email protected] said:
Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.
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Jerky scrolling is annoying (in the browser and in XDA app)...it's as if the frame rate is running at 20fps as opposed to 60fps

BlackDino said:
android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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If that's true then that sucks.

crossover37 said:
If that's true then that sucks.
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of course its true, everything is in java

and of course don't forget about the fact that Android handles the UI in a different way compared to iOS (the UI isn't prioritised or something along those lines).

Project Butter - Is it obvious to the naked eye?

People that installed Jelly Bean, do you see any increase in perfomance?
Write your opinions.

Its not a performance gain. Its just as fast as before just not nearly as choppy. There is a video around here sums it up pretty well.
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I do feel like it's snappier, but it's hard to say how much of it is just placebo for hearing about how much snappier it is. There's still some lag every now and then when bringing up the app drawer and such, but there's also graphical improvements that I think make up for everything (the "notification center" or whatever it's called is great).

Although there is Lag in odd spots, I notice neater and smoother transition effects more then anything else. The Keyboard also dissappears when returning to the home screen immediatly rather then lurking on the home screen like it did in ICS. Nothing Major or Revolutionary, but generally neater.

I can tell a major difference after flashing jb.
in old rom chrome is not rendering smoothly when you flip through horizontal tabs comparing to vertical ones. now the problem is completely gone.

From the off, the rom seems noticeably faster and smoother to me.
1. The new app transitions are fantastic. They fade in and out, which is quite slick.
2. The keyboard has ZERO lag, I didn't think it had any lag when I was running AOKP, but running the new JB rom, it's a lot faster again!
3. Home screen/App drawer transitions are a lot snappier. It is now on par with the transitions of an iPhone 4s (Compared with my friends earlier) No lag in the app drawer, even with all of my many apps installed.
4. Last but not least, scrolling long lists is buttery smooth for me Everything just seems so slick at the moment.
On a side note, some subtle changes, like when choosing default action, or long pressing on home screen look a lot nicer. The lock screen looks way cooler. And of course google now seems to be working great. (Aside from having to tell it to use English US, because its not fully functional in the UK)
Hope this helps anyone who was maybe sitting on the fence, I have been running AOKP since getting my nexus, Think is was build 11 or 12 I first had. I am now running Jelly-Belly by Team Inferno and have not even though about returning to AOKP. I will gladly return to AOKP when they release a stable JB update (which will likely be in August some time (JB Source to be released in mid July))

+1 to earlier posts. I can confirm, the "flow" thanks to "Project Butter" is very much appearant to the naked eye. I doubt there is an Android device out there that has a smoother UI than the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean right now. Love it.
EDIT: The smoothness of live wallpapers seems to have been greatly improved as well. A live wallpaper called "Fresh Leaves" lagged quite bad when using AOKP 4.0. Now, with Jelly Bean - no lag at all

sjrp said:
+1 to earlier posts. I can confirm, the "flow" thanks to "Project Butter" is very much appearant to the naked eye. I doubt there is an Android device out there that has a smoother UI than the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean right now. Love it.
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Agreed, I also think it is definitely closer, if not on par with that of the iPhone and Windows 7 phones.

Definitely solid 60 fps in more areas. My ics setup is probably 45-50fps solid. I noticed less quirky transitions in jelly bean but a few other odd quirks. Still it is overall smoother than ics. And could use a little more polish.
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I agree with what everyone has said. Its noticeably a little quicker but it wasn't like ICS was horrible. One thing no one has mentioned is that the delay when pulling up your recent apps is gone. Its now pretty much instant which makes multitasking better. I think everyone should try jb. I've been running stock rooted jb since Wednesday night and couldn't be happier.
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There is LAG.
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
I'm a HUGE Google fan, and I've been disappointed. This is 2012, and I genuinely believed that Android is better in almost EVERY way than iOS. But I disagree now.
I watched the io live, so much chest thumping, project butter n stuff - got me very excited. After installing it on my nexus, and experiencing it - I concur with most of the statements mentioned here.
Now it disappoints me because THERE IS LAG and the way Google boasted about butter, and the hackery that has gone into it to make it "appear" smoother - while the odd lag and jerks still exists as before, is a bit of a dampener.
The phone is noticeably smoother, the jerks are still present - if you have an eye to look at it, and considering Android top smartphones pack 1.5 times the power of an iOS or Windows phone - backed by Google, can still not solve this basic UI fluid problem - is disappointing.
I would prefer less chest thumping, and more action in dealing with this problem but after doing some heavy net searching - I've found this issue relates to the core of android, and makes it an inferior user experience to iOS and even Win P7 which runs on inferior hardware too
search more on the subject and you would find, here's just one piece...
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS

dhruvraj said:
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
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I have better than 20/20 vision and am hardly a fanboi. It's a significant boost in performance over ICS. Can't wait to see the AOSP ROMS, they shall be killer.

So keep looking, and you shall find.

Considering this is a Developer PREVIEW, I'd have to say it's amazing. There is most definitely a difference in smoothness when compared to ICS. There is slight lag, but nothing that hasn't been seen on competing OS.
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dhruvraj said:
So keep looking, and you shall find.
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I shall find that it's not a significant improvement over ICS?

CMNein said:
I shall find that it's not a significant improvement over ICS?
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Find proof in what I said earlier which you nitpicked
Observe your phone carefully - and you would find the same thing as what I wrote.
Now for your question here - yes, you are right, it is a good enough improvement over ICS.
The animations are faster, switching to messages and coming back - is much faster. App drawer, open close is faster - the screen "feels" more sensitive - it works with feather touches - and almost feels like the system is eager to make you feel how smooth it is.
All that works. ICS was smooth too. Granted this one is smoother.
Lag and jerks existed in ICS too, and they do in Jelly Bean as well. They have resorted to other ways of making the phone experience to appear smoother while the problem with lag - scrolling through screens, app drawers, switching from app back to home drawer, and then scrolling - the MAJOR components of lag, still exists.
and irritate. If you're fine with it, cool. Good for you. I expected better of Google. Given WP7 and iOS do a phenomenal job with inferior hardware. Even the iOS part doesnt hurt as much as the WP7 does.
I mean come on! MS making this better than Google? There's some serious questions to be asked on our love for android here.

I don't pay attention to the animations since I typically disable them, and they can indeed be "hacked" to appear smoother. I've always felt that animations are just wasted time. I think that this preview is a sign of good things to come, but also some bad things to come, i.e. the new wifi drivers STILL suck.
I can see your point however. I think it's the trade off we have to make to have such great customization vs the Iphone.

dhruvraj said:
There is LAG.
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
I'm a HUGE Google fan, and I've been disappointed. This is 2012, and I genuinely believed that Android is better in almost EVERY way than iOS. But I disagree now.
I watched the io live, so much chest thumping, project butter n stuff - got me very excited. After installing it on my nexus, and experiencing it - I concur with most of the statements mentioned here.
Now it disappoints me because THERE IS LAG and the way Google boasted about butter, and the hackery that has gone into it to make it "appear" smoother - while the odd lag and jerks still exists as before, is a bit of a dampener.
The phone is noticeably smoother, the jerks are still present - if you have an eye to look at it, and considering Android top smartphones pack 1.5 times the power of an iOS or Windows phone - backed by Google, can still not solve this basic UI fluid problem - is disappointing.
I would prefer less chest thumping, and more action in dealing with this problem but after doing some heavy net searching - I've found this issue relates to the core of android, and makes it an inferior user experience to iOS and even Win P7 which runs on inferior hardware too
search more on the subject and you would find, here's just one piece...
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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Finally someone had said what I have been thinking. Jellybean still lags a ton! How can Google talk about project butter so Mich while the rom still lags a crap ton?

Its a leaked developers version, its not ready for primetime and was never meant to be. Once AOSP is updated I'm sure it will be sorted. However, it is a promising start IMO. Seems smoother (NOT lagfree) then stock ICS

Everything's amazing and nobody is happy.
You want to see some lag, try a Vibrant on stock Froyo. This stuff does not bother me in the least. It didn't bother me in ICS. JB is awesome. JMO.

[Q] Is my phone slowly deteriorating? (terrible performance)

Hello whoever is reading this,
I'm getting real tired of how slow my phone has consistently been slow for months now. I've tried a bunch of roms and kernels in combination, and while it seems to work smoothly after a clean flash, it slows back down to its usual laggy state within a few days (or even hours!)
I partially blame the age of the phone, as it's old processor probably can't handle all of the customizations being thrown at it that are really being developed for the Nexus 4. But aside from that, everyone in every rom or kernel thread is always raving about how "buttery smooth" or "lightning fast", or whatever else their phone is, claiming performance is awesome. It could just be that all those users are just used to some lag, but I'm really starting to feel like I'm the only one who has such performance issues.
For this reason I'm wondering if it's possible that something hardware-wise might be starting to die, similar to how "cheap memory is killing off Google Nexus 7". Is this possible?
Is there any app that can run hardware tests to check for things like that? I would love to see if my suspicions are correct or totally wrong. Is there anything else I should try?
I'm currently running the latest ak47 rom (AOKP Milestone 2 on top of VANIR (linaro), and using Fancy Kernel. I've found the performance is pretty good compared to other roms I've tried but I still find myself waiting seconds for the app drawer to open, to scroll through pages in the app drawer, etc.
Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Hmmm... if it is anything related to what was happening with the Nexus 7, then you've probably heard what Android 4.3 did for it. I'm writing this from my Galaxy Nexus, and it hasn't been faster since 4.1; whatever 4.3 did for the Nexus 7 has a similar effect on my GNexus. It took a couple days, but I have my butter back!
Before the update, I was in the same boat as you. Even the keyboard was ridiculously laggy. Now? Buttery. Not Nexus 4 buttery, but buttery.
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CWalkop said:
Hmmm... if it is anything related to what was happening with the Nexus 7, then you've probably heard what Android 4.3 did for it. I'm writing this from my Galaxy Nexus, and it hasn't been faster since 4.1; whatever 4.3 did for the Nexus 7 has a similar effect on my GNexus. It took a couple days, but I have my butter back!
Before the update, I was in the same boat as you. Even the keyboard was ridiculously laggy. Now? Buttery. Not Nexus 4 buttery, but buttery.
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I didn't hear what 4.3 did, but I gather that it improved the speed? Sweet, maybe I'll try that. My issue is I'm too addicted to AOKP
But I'll have to try a stock 4.3 rom or something and hopefully I'll find the same results as you. Thanks for your input!
My question about an app that runs hardware integrity tests still stands.

jakis39 said:
I didn't hear what 4.3 did, but I gather that it improved the speed? Sweet, maybe I'll try that. My issue is I'm too addicted to AOKP
But I'll have to try a stock 4.3 rom or something and hopefully I'll find the same results as you. Thanks for your input!
My question about an app that runs hardware integrity tests still stands.
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No problem! And it provided a lot of behind-the-scenes improvements for graphics processing. It also made FSTRIM turned on by default in the system; it will run whenever the battery is above ~70% and the device is idle. It basically stops the device from needing to perform multiple actions in the storage whenever it needs to read or write. You only notice the effects of it NOT being present over many write cycles, which is why performance may seem to have deteriorated over time.
And yeah, custom just gives you so many choices! But a few days with 4.3 should REALLY ramp up your performance. It takes a little while for FSTRIM to do it's magic. App drawer opens after 0.7 seconds or so, and swiping between pages is quite fluid and responsive.
Glad to be of service! Hope it helps out.
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Aside from 4.3, I've found that if you goto Developer options, and lower the Transition, Window, and Animator scales from 1x down to .5x things seem to move more smoothly. Albeit they only reduce animation times, the visual effect may be enough. I also use Nova Prime launcher and turn animations to "Nova" speed. Things like the app drawer open instantly. Absolutely zero lag. What I'm running is in my sig...

jakis39 said:
Hello whoever is reading this,
I'm getting real tired of how slow my phone has consistently been slow for months now. I've tried a bunch of roms and kernels in combination, and while it seems to work smoothly after a clean flash, it slows back down to its usual laggy state within a few days (or even hours!)
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Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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This frustrated me for a long time until I came across this app (root needed):
LagFix Free: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix&hl=en
XDA thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2104326#fm
"Some Android users suffer from poor performance after some days/weeks of heavy usage. This is due to a well-known TRIM bug affecting these devices. The source of the problem is that internal storage is not properly TRIMmed when needed. It is also well-known fact that running fstrim Linux tool from time to time fixes the issue until internal memory runs out of free blocks. LagFix is a user-friendly implementation of fstrim utility. It allows you to select which partitions to trim (you should leave defaults unless you know what you are doing) and run the process easily."
Android 4.3 finally implements this fix, so if you go a 4.3 ROM, you won't need this.

Yep, like they all said, 4.3 fixes that with things like TRIM, and I can attest to that firsthand.
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I must say that the phone is faster on 4.3, but my battery life is horrible when comparing to 4.1.1 or even 4.2.2, especially when using the phone.
I don't know if it's true or I'm too bugged about it. Could someone please confirm it to me?

rafa1696 said:
I must say that the phone is faster on 4.3, but my battery life is horrible when comparing to 4.1.1 or even 4.2.2, especially when using the phone.
I don't know if it's true or I'm too bugged about it. Could someone please confirm it to me?
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infact my battery life is improved a lot after 4.3
sent from my sexy Nexy

paarthdesai said:
infact my battery life is improved a lot after 4.3
sent from my sexy Nexy
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^^^that^^^
and for some reason, one screen time was BETTER than 4.2

I guess it's just bad luck haha.
Gonna test it calmly to be sure.

This might sound weird.

So I've been around android and xda a long while. I've had countless android devices, none of which I was ever really blown away by. HTC magic was my first and nexus 4 was my last, and everything in between. Anyway, I recently grew tired of the same old and don't judge me, bought a Nokia lumia 810. Obviously completely different aspect and in my opinion wp8 has huge potential. I used it for a few days and found the hardware to be of insane quality, but the obvious was usability with lack of apps I normally use or apps that were missing options. So, I went back to my long tucked away gsm galaxy nexus and installed latest purity with fancy kernel. Instant red gratification. So, my question is, did 4.3 really improve that much in fluidity of the os as whole, because 4.3 feels a lot different compared to 4.2.2. It could be me being impartial in a subliminal mind type of way to android since I've been with it for almost 4 years. I was trying to convince myself that I needed a change and thought although beautiful, wp8 was the answer. Sorry for the rant.

well battery life's certainly been improved IMO
and the UI shows much less lag than 4.2.2

First run with a year and a half old battery gave me 4 1/2 hours sot. The gnex has definitely been revitalized

xD
Sounds like me.

4.3 definitely fixed the lag issue 4.2.2 had, but thats about all that has changed in jellybean, can't wait for klp.

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4.3 definitely fixed the lag issue 4.2.2 had, but thats about all that has changed in jellybean, can't wait for klp.
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yes, 4.3 fixed the lag issue 4.2.2. you may better check again.

Should I buy LG G3??

Should I buy this phone?? I heard that there is battery drain issue. And how many no contract varients are there? I'm a flasholic. I'd love to mod my phone and get the latest android! Is that snapdragon 801 processer future proof? I like this phone bcoz it shoot lasers!

No, i came from Nexus 5 and I miss it very hard. G3 is still laggy. N5 worked like a charm. I'll switch to the next 5" Nexus.

Cum said:
No, i came from Nexus 5 and I miss it very hard. G3 is still laggy. N5 worked like a charm. I'll switch to the next 5" Nexus.
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Wutttttt? It is one year and still lag? After all this custom karnels and custom roms??

Aung Ye Kyaw said:
Wutttttt? It is one year and still lag? After all this custom karnels and custom roms??
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I came from a LG Optimus G and there's no Lag in custom Stock Roms. Install Cloudy G3 and you'll see the true potential of an Stock Rom. Although i hadn't tried yet an AOSP based Rom.

Cum said:
No, i came from Nexus 5 and I miss it very hard. G3 is still laggy. N5 worked like a charm. I'll switch to the next 5" Nexus.
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Ditto

stock rom, rooted, TWRP installed. flashed modified stock-based kernel, cleaned some bloatware, installed 2g-3g switcher (via exposed) and I get day and a half of moderate usage with 3-4 hours SOT and no overheating... not bad, but also not ideal. one should not have to tinker with a new phone to get it working properly. but that said, now I'm satisfied. and it cost me half of the price of G4....

I bought it used for cheap. I like it but it's very laggy compared to my S5. Everything takes time to do. Taking a picture in low light automatically activates night mode so it takes a few seconds to be able to take another picture, sad. It also heats up quite a lot quite fast. Battery life is good but not while taking pictures, so I imagine when gaming it's terrible as well.
I don't want to install a custom ROM to make it run smooth and without overheating. LG did a bad job and are unable to fix it. Not sure why..
I'll keep my Galaxy S5.

I just came from the galaxy S5. Rooted and flashed blisspop as soon as i got it and it is awesome. Battery life is equal to that of the S5 running stock, just much faster. Probably the fastest rom I've ever used. I personally prefer this phone to the S5, much better than I expected. I just love the big sharp screen. I say get one, flash blisspop, and you'll love it.

Ramsey said:
I bought it used for cheap. I like it but it's very laggy compared to my S5. Everything takes time to do. Taking a picture in low light automatically activates night mode so it takes a few seconds to be able to take another picture, sad. It also heats up quite a lot quite fast. Battery life is good but not while taking pictures, so I imagine when gaming it's terrible as well.
I don't want to install a custom ROM to make it run smooth and without overheating. LG did a bad job and are unable to fix it. Not sure why..
I'll keep my Galaxy S5.
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Well.. I think I'll be ok bcoz I love custom roms and kernals! I don't have enough money for a S5 [emoji16]

madasalizard said:
I just came from the galaxy S5. Rooted and flashed blisspop as soon as i got it and it is awesome. Battery life is equal to that of the S5 running stock, just much faster. Probably the fastest rom I've ever used. I personally prefer this phone to the S5, much better than I expected. I just love the big sharp screen. I say get one, flash blisspop, and you'll love it.
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heraSK said:
stock rom, rooted, TWRP installed. flashed modified stock-based kernel, cleaned some bloatware, installed 2g-3g switcher (via exposed) and I get day and a half of moderate usage with 3-4 hours SOT and no overheating... not bad, but also not ideal. one should not have to tinker with a new phone to get it working properly. but that said, now I'm satisfied. and it cost me half of the price of G4....
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Thanks you guys! I'll not play games with this phone as I've my mipad [emoji16] I like to mod my phone as much as I can! Is 2gb 16gb version ok?? I think this one also has a Fantastic Camera!