People that installed Jelly Bean, do you see any increase in perfomance?
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Its not a performance gain. Its just as fast as before just not nearly as choppy. There is a video around here sums it up pretty well.
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I do feel like it's snappier, but it's hard to say how much of it is just placebo for hearing about how much snappier it is. There's still some lag every now and then when bringing up the app drawer and such, but there's also graphical improvements that I think make up for everything (the "notification center" or whatever it's called is great).
Although there is Lag in odd spots, I notice neater and smoother transition effects more then anything else. The Keyboard also dissappears when returning to the home screen immediatly rather then lurking on the home screen like it did in ICS. Nothing Major or Revolutionary, but generally neater.
I can tell a major difference after flashing jb.
in old rom chrome is not rendering smoothly when you flip through horizontal tabs comparing to vertical ones. now the problem is completely gone.
From the off, the rom seems noticeably faster and smoother to me.
1. The new app transitions are fantastic. They fade in and out, which is quite slick.
2. The keyboard has ZERO lag, I didn't think it had any lag when I was running AOKP, but running the new JB rom, it's a lot faster again!
3. Home screen/App drawer transitions are a lot snappier. It is now on par with the transitions of an iPhone 4s (Compared with my friends earlier) No lag in the app drawer, even with all of my many apps installed.
4. Last but not least, scrolling long lists is buttery smooth for me Everything just seems so slick at the moment.
On a side note, some subtle changes, like when choosing default action, or long pressing on home screen look a lot nicer. The lock screen looks way cooler. And of course google now seems to be working great. (Aside from having to tell it to use English US, because its not fully functional in the UK)
Hope this helps anyone who was maybe sitting on the fence, I have been running AOKP since getting my nexus, Think is was build 11 or 12 I first had. I am now running Jelly-Belly by Team Inferno and have not even though about returning to AOKP. I will gladly return to AOKP when they release a stable JB update (which will likely be in August some time (JB Source to be released in mid July))
+1 to earlier posts. I can confirm, the "flow" thanks to "Project Butter" is very much appearant to the naked eye. I doubt there is an Android device out there that has a smoother UI than the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean right now. Love it.
EDIT: The smoothness of live wallpapers seems to have been greatly improved as well. A live wallpaper called "Fresh Leaves" lagged quite bad when using AOKP 4.0. Now, with Jelly Bean - no lag at all
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+1 to earlier posts. I can confirm, the "flow" thanks to "Project Butter" is very much appearant to the naked eye. I doubt there is an Android device out there that has a smoother UI than the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean right now. Love it.
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Agreed, I also think it is definitely closer, if not on par with that of the iPhone and Windows 7 phones.
Definitely solid 60 fps in more areas. My ics setup is probably 45-50fps solid. I noticed less quirky transitions in jelly bean but a few other odd quirks. Still it is overall smoother than ics. And could use a little more polish.
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I agree with what everyone has said. Its noticeably a little quicker but it wasn't like ICS was horrible. One thing no one has mentioned is that the delay when pulling up your recent apps is gone. Its now pretty much instant which makes multitasking better. I think everyone should try jb. I've been running stock rooted jb since Wednesday night and couldn't be happier.
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There is LAG.
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
I'm a HUGE Google fan, and I've been disappointed. This is 2012, and I genuinely believed that Android is better in almost EVERY way than iOS. But I disagree now.
I watched the io live, so much chest thumping, project butter n stuff - got me very excited. After installing it on my nexus, and experiencing it - I concur with most of the statements mentioned here.
Now it disappoints me because THERE IS LAG and the way Google boasted about butter, and the hackery that has gone into it to make it "appear" smoother - while the odd lag and jerks still exists as before, is a bit of a dampener.
The phone is noticeably smoother, the jerks are still present - if you have an eye to look at it, and considering Android top smartphones pack 1.5 times the power of an iOS or Windows phone - backed by Google, can still not solve this basic UI fluid problem - is disappointing.
I would prefer less chest thumping, and more action in dealing with this problem but after doing some heavy net searching - I've found this issue relates to the core of android, and makes it an inferior user experience to iOS and even Win P7 which runs on inferior hardware too
search more on the subject and you would find, here's just one piece...
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
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I have better than 20/20 vision and am hardly a fanboi. It's a significant boost in performance over ICS. Can't wait to see the AOSP ROMS, they shall be killer.
So keep looking, and you shall find.
Considering this is a Developer PREVIEW, I'd have to say it's amazing. There is most definitely a difference in smoothness when compared to ICS. There is slight lag, but nothing that hasn't been seen on competing OS.
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I shall find that it's not a significant improvement over ICS?
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I shall find that it's not a significant improvement over ICS?
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Find proof in what I said earlier which you nitpicked
Observe your phone carefully - and you would find the same thing as what I wrote.
Now for your question here - yes, you are right, it is a good enough improvement over ICS.
The animations are faster, switching to messages and coming back - is much faster. App drawer, open close is faster - the screen "feels" more sensitive - it works with feather touches - and almost feels like the system is eager to make you feel how smooth it is.
All that works. ICS was smooth too. Granted this one is smoother.
Lag and jerks existed in ICS too, and they do in Jelly Bean as well. They have resorted to other ways of making the phone experience to appear smoother while the problem with lag - scrolling through screens, app drawers, switching from app back to home drawer, and then scrolling - the MAJOR components of lag, still exists.
and irritate. If you're fine with it, cool. Good for you. I expected better of Google. Given WP7 and iOS do a phenomenal job with inferior hardware. Even the iOS part doesnt hurt as much as the WP7 does.
I mean come on! MS making this better than Google? There's some serious questions to be asked on our love for android here.
I don't pay attention to the animations since I typically disable them, and they can indeed be "hacked" to appear smoother. I've always felt that animations are just wasted time. I think that this preview is a sign of good things to come, but also some bad things to come, i.e. the new wifi drivers STILL suck.
I can see your point however. I think it's the trade off we have to make to have such great customization vs the Iphone.
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There is LAG.
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
I'm a HUGE Google fan, and I've been disappointed. This is 2012, and I genuinely believed that Android is better in almost EVERY way than iOS. But I disagree now.
I watched the io live, so much chest thumping, project butter n stuff - got me very excited. After installing it on my nexus, and experiencing it - I concur with most of the statements mentioned here.
Now it disappoints me because THERE IS LAG and the way Google boasted about butter, and the hackery that has gone into it to make it "appear" smoother - while the odd lag and jerks still exists as before, is a bit of a dampener.
The phone is noticeably smoother, the jerks are still present - if you have an eye to look at it, and considering Android top smartphones pack 1.5 times the power of an iOS or Windows phone - backed by Google, can still not solve this basic UI fluid problem - is disappointing.
I would prefer less chest thumping, and more action in dealing with this problem but after doing some heavy net searching - I've found this issue relates to the core of android, and makes it an inferior user experience to iOS and even Win P7 which runs on inferior hardware too
search more on the subject and you would find, here's just one piece...
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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Finally someone had said what I have been thinking. Jellybean still lags a ton! How can Google talk about project butter so Mich while the rom still lags a crap ton?
Its a leaked developers version, its not ready for primetime and was never meant to be. Once AOSP is updated I'm sure it will be sorted. However, it is a promising start IMO. Seems smoother (NOT lagfree) then stock ICS
Everything's amazing and nobody is happy.
You want to see some lag, try a Vibrant on stock Froyo. This stuff does not bother me in the least. It didn't bother me in ICS. JB is awesome. JMO.
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Alright, you're gonna be mad about the topic but I'm being honest here.
I never had a nexus phone and I was hoping that if I got a Galaxy Nexus, the phone wouldn't stutter (in browser and in apps) and it does. On websites the stuttering when scrolling is annoying. The phone is fast (home screen, app drawer, settings) but a lot of apps are jittery and not fluid.
I'm running AOKP Milestone 4 with Lean Kernel v2.4.
So my question is, is it possible to get the Galaxy Nexus to be as smooth as an iPhone? Some reasons would be good because there's no doubting the 4s is very fluid with rare if any hiccups.
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what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone.
AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast.
The selling point if the iphone 4s is Suri.
My buddy tried to show it off and it didn't work at all.
He was really embarrassed.. It screwed up everything.
I showed him my nexus, and then I proceeded to pull 15 down 13 up in a speed test.
Boy was he jealous of my Nexus.
If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.
also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock.
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If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.
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That's a poor analogy. The ROM devs are not building these ROMs from scratch, they are making relatively small changes to the code provided by Google. A better analogy would be assembling an office desk from IKEA (store that sells put-it-together-yourself furniture for you non-U.S. folk) vs having a carpenter friend put it together. Sure your friend might drill a hold here or there to make the fit better, but he isn't carving the shelf out of lumber.
-- also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock. --
stock browser and chrome are jerky but the stock browser is a little better
Stock software was slow for me too, worse than AOKP M4
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-- what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone. --
XDA, web browser, maps
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-- AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast. --
Ok I'll try bugless beast ans see if it helps
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.
Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?
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Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?
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Yes, it's turned on
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Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.
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The iPhone 4 is smooth as well and the GPU isn't as good as the iPhone 4S
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Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.
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Jerky scrolling is annoying (in the browser and in XDA app)...it's as if the frame rate is running at 20fps as opposed to 60fps
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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If that's true then that sucks.
crossover37 said:
If that's true then that sucks.
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of course its true, everything is in java
and of course don't forget about the fact that Android handles the UI in a different way compared to iOS (the UI isn't prioritised or something along those lines).
For those of you on Jelly Bean AOSP/AOKP ROMS, is there really a noticeable every day differences between an AOSP JB ROM and SAMMY ROM? I am talking about everyday usages not benchmarks. I am on a Sammy ROM and I don't notice any stuttering or lag when I'm switching through home screens, browsing the web etc. I see people on youtube swiping through the different home screens and app drawers and saying how JB is really smooth but I ask how much smoother can it be. I know that on the Galaxy Nexus hardware may have had a play, but with the GS3 is it really that much better or noticeable?
I just ask because I am not sure if I want to take the risk of installing an AOSP/AOKP Rom and loosing my IMEI.
Yes, I noticed a pretty significant difference. Everything opens up faster and its a smoother experience. Keep in mind though that its still not quite as smooth as can be just yet.
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Definitely
There is a difference in how smooth everything switches and transitions. One thing, though, I wouldn't base your decisions off of benchmarks. These are completely useless numbers because of the many variables from device to device. When I was on the stock ROM, it was nice and didn't glitch at all, but tended to be slow at times. ATM I'm running AOKP JB Preview and there's a world of difference. The pages are smoother and apps open and close faster. It really all comes down to preference though. If you can part with TW and the pretty cool sounds/effects of TW, then this is definitely worth it IMO.
Also. I had no problems with my IMEI. My flash counter has been bumped, but devs are currently working on getting a fix for that.
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There is a difference in how smooth everything switches and transitions. One thing, though, I wouldn't base your decisions off of benchmarks. These are completely useless numbers because of the many variables from device to device. When I was on the stock ROM, it was nice and didn't glitch at all, but tended to be slow at times. ATM I'm running AOKP JB Preview and there's a world of difference. The pages are smoother and apps open and close faster. It really all comes down to preference though. If you can part with TW and the pretty cool sounds/effects of TW, then this is definitely worth it IMO.
Also. I had no problems with my IMEI. My flash counter has been bumped, but devs are currently working on getting a fix for that.
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There has long long been a fix for the flash counter. Triangle away, check it out in the market.
Hello kind folks at xda,
I really hate my galaxy nexus the past few months. It's just so incredibly slow and the battery life is terrible. I just don't wanna buy a new phone yet. I'm waiting for the new Nexus device or maybe even the X-Phone by Motorola.
But till then, I need my nexus to be smooth again. I already given up the hope for a battery life. It just doesn't get any better. I've been not very active on xda for a long time so I need to get a bit freshed up.
What is for you the most smootest/fastest rom/kernel?
Im now using a battery savers Xylon rom from 2 months ago.
Thanks a lot!
Since 4.2 it all got a bit f*d up for our Gnex'es unfortunately.. I have the same feeling like you, I like the phone still generally but I hate when it lags so much, whereas before 4.2 it seemed super smooth. Yet it would be stupid to have a Nexus and run an "older" android version, right ?
I can advise Rasbeanjelly with trinity kernel. Runs smoother than stock, and it has the fasted lockscreen unlock I've ever seen! Battery life is doable too, comparable with stock rom. But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
before you flash a new rom and kernel, have you considered what exactly is the real issue here? is it really the rom or yourself?
because quite frankly, a lot of roms are in fact not as smooth/stable as the stock rom.
are you running ****load of widgets? or have the background apps constantly updating stuff like facebook/twitter/rss feed etc?
when you say terrible battery life, what exactly is terrible to you? like how much standby + on screen?
We need more specifics to help, you cant just say tell me the best rom and kernel to flash.
TL;DR - CM + AK kernel is my personal favourite.
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Since 4.2 it all got a bit f*d up for our Gnex'es unfortunately.. I have the same feeling like you, I like the phone still generally but I hate when it lags so much, whereas before 4.2 it seemed super smooth. Yet it would be stupid to have a Nexus and run an "older" android version, right ?
I can advise Rasbeanjelly with trinity kernel. Runs smoother than stock, and it has the fasted lockscreen unlock I've ever seen! Battery life is doable too, comparable with stock rom. But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
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You're so right about that. Gonna try what you said. Hope I see some improvement and that the nexus wil actually feel like the flagship phone it once was.
also wtr_dhd, what rom are you running? I have had 4.2.2 stock rom for a few months before switching to CM, it was very smooth, smoother than ics or 4.1 even. Only those stupid hiccups android has when swithcing apps/within apps/chrome. other than that, all the ui transiation are very smooth, like ios level smooth.
People seem to like all these...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1339
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also wtr_dhd, what rom are you running? I have had 4.2.2 stock rom for a few months before switching to CM, it was very smooth, smoother than ics or 4.1 even. Only those stupid hiccups android has when swithcing apps/within apps/chrome. other than that, all the ui transiation are very smooth, like ios level smooth.
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Like I said I'm on Rasbeanjelly rom. And yeah I used stock 4.2.2 for months too, and those hiccups are indeed annoying, and sometimes switching between homescreens lagged too, or app drawer.
I wouldn't say it was iOS'ish smooth at all, I'd say for android you need a decent high-end quad core phone to have such smoothness. A Note 2 for example even with crappy Touchwiz on it is SOO smooth, it destroys the Gnex in terms of smoothness and speed.. But ok, that's an unfair comparison
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But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
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I'll disagree. Its better than my GS3 was stock. I am getting 18+ hours with 2+ hours of screen time on the stock battery, and have the official extended battery on the way. In order to get more than 10-12 hours on the GS3 I needed to root and put an aftermarket ROM and/or kernel, and it CERTAINLY beats the hell out of my buddy's HTC One.
@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
@ hwong
I don't have a lot of widgets; only dashclock and a weather widgets which refreshes every 4 hours.
What I hate is that sometimes it's just so daaaaaaaaaaaamn slow. I'm just like whatsapping and the keyboard ( swiftkey ) just doesn't open. I'm listening to music through poweramp and I get a message, I open it and the moment whatsapp opens, poweramp closes. It's so goddamn annoying. It makes me wanna smash my phone ( figure of speach ofcourse )
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@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
@ hwong
I don't have a lot of widgets; only dashclock and a weather widgets which refreshes every 4 hours.
What I hate is that sometimes it's just so daaaaaaaaaaaamn slow. I'm just like whatsapping and the keyboard ( swiftkey ) just doesn't open. I'm listening to music through poweramp and I get a message, I open it and the moment whatsapp opens, poweramp closes. It's so goddamn annoying. It makes me wanna smash my phone ( figure of speach ofcourse )
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try the ak kernel then, and try using westwood/sio/interactive, with 180000min/1200000max, the real battery saver is both the min and min screen off, just set it to 180000 and you will have fairly good battery. I normally get 22hours ish if i just let my phone idle on table, and about 4-5 hours normal use.
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@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
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Well its true. No two people are going to come in here and tell you the same combo of ROM and kernel. You are going to get a bunch of different answers. The best thing for you to do is to just start trying them out. We all had to do it before we found what worked for us. What works for us may not work for you.
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try the ak kernel then, and try using westwood/sio/interactive, with 180000min/1200000max, the real battery saver is both the min and min screen off, just set it to 180000 and you will have fairly good battery. I normally get 22hours ish if i just let my phone idle on table, and about 4-5 hours normal use.
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Thank you, will try. Is it also just butter smooth? That is now my biggest concern. I accept that the battery s*cks and that it doesn't get any better.
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Thank you, will try. Is it also just butter smooth? That is now my biggest concern. I accept that the battery s*cks and that it doesn't get any better.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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Alright, thanks for your help.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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Just yesterday I made an iPhone user jealous at how buttery smooth scrolling is on my GNex running 4.2.2 (showed him the text app with a long list of texts and pictures). He couldn't believe how much smoother it was than his iPhone 4.
AOKP M1/Franco kernel
well, i have both ip5 and gnex, my brother has a nexus 4 too, when i tried to compare ip5 with n4, the ui is smooth on both devices, however android will hiccup randomly while ios generally stay smooth, i am not saying iphone never lags, they do as well, but its only under heavy work load, unlike android where they can just lag out of no where, both devices lag under heavy work load, i get that, but somehow android still lag randomly, thats the only thing i am not happt with android, other than that, it is the perfect os comparing to ios.
Hi guys,
Anyone know the main advantages and updates for 4.4? I'm probably gonna wait for the OTA, but am curious.
Cheers
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Android+4.4+KitKat
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/new-in-android-4-4-kitkat-everything-you-need-to-know/
http://www.android.com/versions/kit-kat-4-4/
touch response
I have noticed touch response is more immediate. Most noticeable when typing or scrolling in chrome. It seems the screen responds immediately to touch input instead of that micro delay that Jellybean had. (Some may disagree about Jellybean) Even if it is minor, it does address that issue that some Apple fans have when trying android devices.
I for one am happy to see the improvement even though I never thought the issue was a major problem to begin with. But it does give you that "oneness with the screen" feel.
Likes/dislikes with update
I've been using a pretty well made RoM for Android 4.4, and I understand that it IS a rom and WILL have issues so I'll not mention the bugs.
So far in my experience the device is lightning fast, and really removes the old apple complaint of android being clunky. Though it's never felt slow to me, it certainly is a speed demon now. With the icons working and installed, the new folders, and new home layout the device really feels bright and homely. Yet you still maintain an ability to make it however you want it, I like this because it gives new users a bright take on Android. So speeds been addressed, and the (Sometimes!) dreary looking devices are addressed What else changed? A lot of little things, but the most important for me is definitely Google Now. For me, Google Now has always been a real flagship for android. A big feature than I really enjoy using, and now that its further integrated into the OS I feel that it will be easier for people to use, and will become much more popular.
All in all, I found that it was a great update.
I am noticing a huge improvement to the battery. I was getting about 17 hours on 4.3 but am getting over 30 hours on 4.4.
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Even on a super fast device like this one, Touchwiz is still garbage in terms of fluidity and smoothness compared to Sense. 6
I just switched from HTC One M8, and it was smoother than Touchwiz in almost every respect. Sure, some scenarios are nearly indistinguishable on both devices in terms of smoothness, but some are really bad on Note 4.
For example, whenever something happens in the background that requires storage access, the Note starts to chug.
Do this test on your device. Start updating 5-10 apps in the Play Store, then go and scroll in some other app. You will see immediately that the scrolling becomes jerky and sometimes stops completely for half a second when a new app starts updating. Sense doesn't do that. If you've never played with Sense 6, I suggest you go to a store and check it out - it's completely smooth regardless of what happens in the background.
It's as if Sense can utilize only idle cpu cycles for background processes, so everything remains smooth and fluid at all times, while Note 4 appears to give full real time priority for certain routines of background processes. For a modern flagship devices, this is unacceptable.
I really hope we can get root very soon, so developers can possibly fix this travesty.
How do we get Samsung to care about this? I took their survey from the email I got. I focused on speed and performance. How else can we alert Samsung? That people who care about speed and performance should have a voice?
Touchwiz is sorta like windows vista lmao
I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
chamberc said:
I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Touchwiz here refers to the entire Android "skin, " not just the launcher. You will have jerky performance of the kind I described in the op with Nova and any other launcher.
I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
chamberc said:
I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
chamberc said:
I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
Rippley05 said:
Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
nabbed said:
You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
chamberc said:
You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
nabbed said:
Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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LOLOL he is just not getting what you're saying dude... give up on him... the rest of us understand exactly what you mean... cannot wait for root.... hopeful after reading the last few posts of this thread ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/talk-root-t2908919/page18# we may be getting somewhere...
nabbed said:
You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
My N4 is very smooth. Especially compared to my G3. Only thing that lags is the recent apps button up, which is a bit disappointing as I use that all the time.
I agree with the issues with tw. Part of it has to do with the work on the Java threads which is why the choreographer process always drops frames which is the jitter. The kernels are also tuned differently and more for stability than anything else.
Rippley05 said:
I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
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Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
deefster said:
Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
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Actually. Where did I make it abundantly clear? May want to pay attention to what you read. Wasn't me.
Sense is boring to me. It's generic, doesn't offer a fraction of the software features and customization that samsung/LG offer. That's the tradeoff for being so smooth..and that's what I was talking about. Not the launcher.
I'm enjoying touch wiz. I don't see how u guys don't like it. If u don't like it then just don't buy a Samsung phone.
It's more of a fundamental issue with android in general. Here is an older article, but it explains the issue pretty well.
http://techland.time.com/2011/12/07/is-android-doomed-to-lag-more-than-ios/
Maybe lollipop will change how the UI is rendered , maybe not. But I don't think the lagginess is the sole product of touchwiz. Touchwiz does not modify the deep level coding that controls CPU access prority, ISR behavior, etc. Seems like Samsung is trying to do the best with what they got.
Here is some follow up on the guys original post where google developers comment.
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13fzt2wrwaxwjqxc04cdx0jsve5hhl4b04
While I'm not a software engineer, I am an electrical and computer engineer. I quit my full time job and went back to school at 30 because I was tired of not being educated enough to understand the things I had questions about.
It's funny.. the more I learned the more I realized how astonishingly difficult it was/is to build the technology we have today. The amount of engineering that goes into designing today's modern processors is incredible. Now that I am "in the know" with exactly how these things work, it's a lot easier for me to understand the milestones and why things are the way they are (heat dissapation in modern multicore CPUs is one of those things that is hard to solve and even harder to explain to the layman why it's hard to solve, a commanding grasp of quantum physics and modern microscale transistor design theory is needed) and I don't get bothered by it, I realize that it's being worked on and I can identify the subtle improvements and I recognize the significance of those improvements.
The point is, it's easy to "blame" samsung or Google for the stuttering you are experiencing, but it's better to recognize the progress that's being made. The problem is not trivial to solve and to think it is or that "it should have been fixed by now" is really naive.
crazed_z06 said:
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
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This is really the thing that bothers me the most. Bringing up recent apps is SO SLOW. There is a huge delay when you press that button. It really makes that feature useless for the stuff I use most, because I can just hit the home button and the app shortcut faster than using recent apps.